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U.S. Deploys Satellite Jamming System
CNN has an article about a ground-based satellite jamming system that "uses electromagnetic radio frequency energy to knock out transmissions on a temporary and reversible basis, without frying components". Is this just another old school EM jamming technique, or something new? Of course they won't say, citing "operational security" concerns.
This whole control of space thing is approaching the thin line between annoyed and pissed.
While USAF claims this "ground-based jammer uses electromagnetic radio frequency energy to knock out transmissions on a temporary and reversible basis, without frying components", it will only take one mistake (and it's not that unusual) to fry someone's $500mil baby.
If other countries even dare to think about developing a similar jammer to "neutralize" US's satellite communication and its space-based capabilities, it's likely that US will simply launch another pre-emptive attack to destroy those jammers in these countries.
Rock that crushes, Paper & Scissors that don't matter.
"The device appears to have been put into service considerably earlier than had been projected by the Air Force as recently as February.
At that time, a long-range planning document, dubbed the Transformation Flight Plan, said such a system would let the United States by 2010 "deny and disrupt an adversary's space-based communications and early warning" of attack."
That's the way to beat the enemy to the punch - make them think you're 5+ years away from ready, then DEPLOY!
When I see verbiage like "electromagnetic radio frequency energy" I immediately get suspicious. Someone's trying to bullshit me here.
Now we don't have to jam them like we used to: breaking into the ground stations, and hijacking the control interfaces. One step closer to the Tesla death ray!!!! Oh, another note: what would happen if we now broke into the ground based station?
Just a matter of time. I like hard wire.
The article acts as if they should tell us how it works, precisely. While I'm sure many readers already have a good idea, I'm glad they're not just coming out with it.
Maybe this was a beta version?
The difference between spam and poop is that you don't have to dig through septic tanks looking for real food. -- Me
So, can I take my tin-foil hat off now?
But i suspect my wifi was temporarily jammed
This is another vaporware lie perpitrated by "the Man" to keep me from telling the truth about *BZZZT* [NO CARRIER]
I'm having a mental flashback of the scene where the anti-missile system hits an MTV satellite and the girl's TV explodes, where she exclaims "Awesome!"
The jamming technique fails miserably when the target satellites are equipped with the requisite "tin foil hat" defense system.
Let's get one thing perfectly clear, I did not vote for George W Bush, and I do not endorse what he does or says.
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... until SpamSat is launched, and then all will agree that is a good thing.
I think the USAF could easily recoup their investment if they allowed people to "vote" TV channels off of satellite comms. $1 a minute to jam the signal. No more QVC, goodbye to MTV-trash - yippee!
Yeah? Well I think you're overrated too.
So that's why my Dishnetwork system quit working!
"Raspberry! I hate Raspberry!"
I mean to say, I though about this years ago, submitted a letter to the D0D for a RFC and they never got back to me. I'm calling my lawy ..~~!&&&&&.... .#ddh&^^ @&38....
Can you say "Al-Jazeera"? What? Never heard of it? Oh, thats right, we started using the forementioned device to start blocking them ;-)
It's either on the beat or off the beat, it's that easy.
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But I -like- these colors =(
Not so long ago, there was a news story about the EU comming up with, and launching their own GPS system.
I quote from the article
"The paper also reported that a disagreement between the US and the EU regarding Galileo at a London conference resulted in a threat to blow up the planned satellites. The European delegates reportedly said that they would not turn off or jam signals from their satellites, even if they were used in a war with the US."
Maybe this is just the USAF Jumping the gun, and getting one up on the EU Nations, so that when they do go live with their GPS System, it won't seem that this jamming system is targeted specifically at it.
uses electromagnetic radio frequency energy to knock out transmissions on a temporary and reversible basis, without frying components
Is it possible to knock out transmissions on a reversible basis while frying components?
Now, jamming the downlink is harder, but if you hit the satellite with enough power on any band, it'll freak out. With a highly directional antenna, you could even take out only a specific satellite.
Satellites do have to deal with ionizing radiation and can't have enough shielding to totally block it, so they're equipped to reset themselves when they get `stuck' because some IC got hit with a stray alpha particle -- because it's not *if* it will happen, it's *when*.
Of course, if you hit the satellite with enough power, you may actually damage it. If that happens, you just play dumb. Sure, it may have happened while the satellite was over the US (or a US base, or US ship), but that was just a coincidence, right?
I guess a new school jamming technique might be to actually hit it with ionizing radiation (typically X and gamma rays, and high energy electrons and protons (often with some neutrons in the form of an alpha particle) but these are generally attenutated greatly by the atmosphere (and the charged particles diverted by our magnetic field), so this would be hard to do from the ground. But I guess if you can make it strong enough, or do it from a tall mountain/plane flying above most of our atmosphere ...
What's to keep people from encrypting communications, and using commercial satellite systems? In fact, you could put up a satellite system and market it for commercial use. Then, when you use it to transmit your nefarious plans, the US won't want to take it down because it would be too large of a disruption to US businesses.
Two relatively expensive terrorist tools I'd like to hear more about:
1) ground-based satelite-destroyers.
2) space-based satelite-destroyers.
Can you imagine the damage to the American psyche if all the TV- and other-entertainment- satellites were knocked out at once? There'd be great moaning and gnashing of teeth while America waited a few months or years for replacements to go up.
Imagine if that happened in the middle of the Superbowl?
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
For the moment the Russians have a far more capable space program than we do and the Chinese have a bigger industrial base. We can eventually beat the Russians with technology, but not in the short term. But with all our collective money funding the war in Iraq, we would not be able to out-produce or out-spend the Chinese.
I think all it will end up doing is spurring Russia and China into matching the threat. Hopefully we don't find out the hard way that their space capabilities have improved beyond our ability to catch up.
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Michael Powell: You've got to jam the Sirius satellites, Scotty, Howard Stern is corrupting the youth of America!
Scotty: I'm givin' er all she's got, Chairman...
500GB of disk, 5TB of transfer, $5.95/mo
This is just another way for bible thumping goverment agents to control my Pr0n surfing!.
Cuz I've got cable.
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http://www.dawn.com/2004/10/31/int7.htm What else does everybody but americans know about america?
SLASHDOT: news for people who can't concentrate on work or have no life at all and got tired of yelling back at the TV.
Since satellites generally use a few watts to a few tens of watts, and generally use low-gain antennae, it wouldn't take more than a couple of hundred reflected watts to do the job. Say a hundred kilowatts of transmission at the ground.
The chilling implication here: you can only really jam satellites that use low-gain antennae -- e.g. comsats and "cheap" satellites. Anyone who anticipates this type of jamming for a point-to-point communicating bird can just use a high gain antenna to send all their transmitted power straight to the ground station. Another way around, especially for a comlink bird or something that can't use a beam to punch through the noise, would be to use "stealth" planar-panel technology on the satellite. If the satellite presents a flat face to the Earth, the jamming signal will be coherently reflected and probably won't affect the transmission much (except for an unlucky receiver who is in the reflected beam).
So, er, this is probably good for knocking out comsats and academic satellites -- but foreign spy satellites will probably be pretty hardened against it before too long from now.
Note: I'm not a military space insider -- just an astrophysicist. These ideas occurred to me in about 30 seconds, so you can bet anyone with his/her own space program already thought of 'em too.
Or maybe this is the govt's answer to all those people hacking satellite cards.
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Because it has to do with (GET READY FOR THIS!)... Information Technology??? Communications satellites, and all.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Just fry them all..
Compton effect to make a huge EMP
A lot more fun, and it will save us from the Patriots
This is part of the threat the senior US official made at a London conference on Galileo.
The senior official promised that in the event China used the Galileo system against the US, the US would attempt what they called reversible action, but, if necessary, they would use irreversible action, to knock out the Galileo system.
Article on the threat
I use to have a funny sig, but slash cut it off, and I forgot what the punchline was.
Anyone remember Captain Midnight and the HBO incident?
Tracking dish, knowledge of the frequencies in use, signal generator and amplifier and you're pretty much there.
Of course if they're using DS spread spectrum and they don't have the spreading code, it could be considerably harder, though turning up the power sufficiently would probably desensitise the front end of the satellite enough to stop it from working.
It's the government's souped-up version of the keychain that will turn off any TV. It just scans through all of the satellite remote power off codes.
Of course it's reversible! Usually the same code turns it both ON and OFF.
RADAR TECH. Sir. The radar, sir. It appears to be.... Jam starts dripping down the screen. RADAR TECH. ....jammed.
HELMET Jammed? (takes a taste of the jam) Raspberry.
There's only one man who would dare give me the raspberry. (pulls down
mask) Lone Starr!
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
Have you ever gotten those places on your FM dial, where it sounds like 10 different stations are coming in at once? That is intermodulation distortion. Very large signals competing with other very large signals. This is most likely what this "weapon" does. Just overloads the telemetry, data channels, etc of a satellite receiver. It takes alot of current to produce overload resistant receivers, and current is always at a premium on satellites, so I would expect weak receiver front ends that are subject to this ground interference.
When Al Qaeda operatives are heard around the world asking the age old question: "Can you hear me now?" I'm not sure which is worse: The political implications, or the fact that I'd be annoyed once again by that idiotic slogan.
Mercy was given to me by Christ...I must give the same to others.
*sighs* Okay, so all this "homeland security for terrorists" stuff has developed a critical and highly expensive need for us jamming their SATELLITES?
Ya know, I'm not really any form of conspiracy theorist, but when I do see something capable of blocking communications by the government on domestic ground, I want to go re-read the Constitution. The only certainty about such a thing was that it was funded for a purpose, so would someone explain to me what a valid purpose for such a thing would be?
...on Al Jazeera and all the other Islamofacist propaganda satellite channels?
Yes, this is a troll, but I don't exactly see where giving publicity to people who behead civilians is doing anything to contribute constructively to reconstructing Iraq or Islamic terrorism generally.
... to obfuscate, cover up, and otherwise prevent the US population from knowing the true election results as they stream in ** BAM ** and get scrambled.
Not unless you can manage to fry ONLY components that the sat doesn't need for communication, and there are, oh, say, zero to few of those in comsats.
The difference between spam and poop is that you don't have to dig through septic tanks looking for real food. -- Me
Jamming is a traditional tactic in electroninc warfare.
/.ers You guys play strategy and tactics games all the time...
The capability of locating an uplink based on signals received from a satellite is of much greater strategic value then destruction of the satellite. This is true for all engaged parties.
So why jam at all?
Suppose something like a cruise missle with partial guidance from a satellite is on it's way to your ship. Ideally you would want to co-opt the satellite and take some control. However, when the time comes, the last thing you want is the correct information to reach the missle. Here jamming makes sense. Without jamming capability a situation might arise in which the strategic value
to you, of your oppositions satellite, is greater than the value of your ship!
Come on
Now I'm the grandest Tiger in the Jungle!
After all there are quite a few countries around with the capability to launch satellites: Russia, China, various EU, India, I even seem to remember Brazil having a sat. These are all reasonable technical adept countries - who would get VERY pissed off, and even consider it an act of war, for the US to start zapping satellites (even reversibly).
And why would you attempt to zap a satellite? To hamper comms, to stop remote sensing, maybe because you don't like them overflying? What would be the reaction of the country concerned?
If you get the stage where you might think of using such a weapon, you've reached the stage where you never should - the temperature would go way up and there are a hundred and one ways of making the temperature go up to several million degrees without the use of satellite technology.
A relic of cold war thinking that would hurt those pulling the trigger more than those who owned the satellite. The world's too connected a place for it to be used against a country, and its worthless against asymetric threats.
My wife had a special satellite dish installed at our house so she could receive broadcasts from the Phillipines (Pinoys are wonderful wives!).
I mention this only to illustrate that our household receives information from other countries, something that this project might prevent.
Yes, my neck is bending from the weight of tinfoil on my head. Bush & Co. may attempt to put a strangehold on the mass media in the U.S. by blocking all outside information.
The internet renders such fantasies almost null and void except for the possibility of instituting filter controls on all network connections entering/leaving this country. Impossible? China has a head start on such a system.
...
... In a dark alleyway, a young child appearing no more than seven or eight years old scrambles among the trash.
... As a seagull attracted to the deadly shine of a fish hook, he notices a glint of light from the darkness. Cautiously approaching, he nears the source of luminescence.
... "Lea' me 'lone..." a voice moans from under a pile of rain-soaked newspapers. "I don' need your help," Kerry screams as he rises in drunken fury. "It wash Florida! Whol' damn Bush fam'ly is bed t'gether. Just leh'me drink mysel' ta death."
... "He's over here, Sir!" Whipping his young head around, the boy stared as one of new Stormtroopers came around the corner wearing infrared goggles, took aim and fired a 'warning shot' into the leg of the drunken hobo.
... Striding nearer, confident the escapee would no longer evade his fate, the 'trooper raises his automatic until a tiny green dot is centered on the forehead. "This'll teach you to talk about the 'affliction' of Commander Cheney's daughter."
...
I need to leave this topic before this posting degenerates into a story of a dark future that rivals the fiction of Neal Stephenson.
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Posting AC here as I am still under the Official Secrets act.. But I have worked on a system to overcome this sort of jamming quite easily. Um... So I'm moving along here... :)
Doesn't this sound like a line from the Rocky Horror Picture Show?
Dr Scott: This sonic transducer - it is, I suppose, some kind of audio-vibratory, physiomolecular transport device
It seems that this ground-based device is "temporary"... does this mean the the DOS is only active while the radio "beam" is activly engaged on the SAT. Would this mean that only geo-sync sats could be targeted 100% of the time, and others would be Off-line only when in the line of site...
A little paranoid, eh? Seriously.. you tin-foil hat guys need to give it a rest.
What is your penile percentile?
The terrorists know it would ultimately be better for everyone if TV went away... Mindless sheep are easier to terrorize.
Wow, someone actually watches CNN. "Mowed down" is hardly the right term. The best they can do is kill 1 or 2 of our troops a day, countrywide. Or on a really great day for them 8 or 9. Meanwhile, the insurgent yahoos, as you call them, are getting the bejesus kicked out of them by our troops on a daily basis, by the hundreds and thousands in fact.
Moron.
You do know that you don't need something nearly large and expensive as a radio telescope (2 words) to identify EM radiation? And that radio telescopes are passive devices, and that they cannot transmit.
And also, if you want to take advantage of a radio telescope's reflector for producing collimated EM waves, then you'd be very limited to the certain wavelengths for which the telescope was build to observe.
i don't know why anybody cares about this... on any given day im sure the military is at least 5 years ahead of us with there tech... while we're making apc's ..they're using tesla coils and mamoth tanks....
http://shit.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/01/1 842215
Electromagnetic Radio Frequencie Energy.
Well, I for one love to know of some type of Radio Frequencie Energy that wasen't Electromagnetic.
Basicly, this is the same idea as me parking my Toyota with it's Radio Shack CB radio next to some trucker and transmitting while he is. Unless he's runnign some kinda 'shoes' - no one's gonna hear either of us. Just some loud, anoying screechie, whiney sounds like what may be used for a bad Sci-Fi movie.
Kinda like this 'gee whiz' article....
Senior NCO in the fight against entropy. I've seen things, man. Things no one should have to see.....
IIRC, about three or four years ago Russians have successfully tested a system to permanently fry satellites from the ground using a high intensity laser beam. AFAIK US military still don't have anything along those lines.
They've also been known to have GPS jamming equipment for years.
How do they manage to do this every time? They build superior weapons while operating within the constraints of their shoestring budget (relative to the US military R&D budget).
Think about it. If you needed to pacify your own population, what better way than to squelch all information flow, except from Government approved sources?
Seems like the likely target is the American people, and no one else.
I wonder what would be said if the Russians or Chinese announced such technology.
I guess that US gov't has a superior moral to attack foreign communication systems while being exempt of being called as "terrorist nation", "pariah" or "axis of evil".
"The system is operated by the 76th Space Control Squadron[...]"
I'm sure there's room for me in one of the other 75 squadrons. Just give me a x-wing, and I'll be on my way.
In Soviet Norway, the møøse bites you.
"on a daily basis, by the hundreds and thousands in fact"
If that was the case then the country would have been depopulated by now (genocide).
Tens of people is more likely.
Can't blame them for being pissed at having an occupying army in their country. We call them "insurgents" to hide the fact that it is a popular fight against us by mainstream iraqis.
I was always intrigued by something I once read on the way the Soviets had planned, back during the cold war, in negating our satellites. We had a huge lead in satellites and their satellites were of negligible worth to them, so they came up with a plan to simply wipe the sky clean. Using their heavy-lift rockets (and they've always had good ones), they would launch a giant pod of, essentially, BBs. Millions of little ball bearings. By dispersing a cloud of these things, everything orbiting at the same altitude would eventually get punched full of holes and ultimately knocked out.
After doing a quick google, I see that this sort of simple anti-sat concept is still seriously considered; lots of on-point URLS turn up when you search on "Soviet "ball bearing" anti-satellite."
It wouldn't take that much brains to jam sattelites from home dishes. 2m dishes are more common in Southern California than swimming pools! (and far more common elsewhere) It may take quite some power, but pulsing a magnetron tuned to the right frequency would do the trick. EXTREME care must be taken to not burn out the mixer and/or LNA of the satellite itself. In the US, one must be mindful of the FEDS but they certainly have better things to do. Feeding more than about 100W to a 5m dish is pushing the safety of the satellite. With some very simple arithmetic, that is 625W in a std 2m dish and 2.5kW in a 'monster 1m' European dish. Pulsing a magnetron (kind of like the thing in your nuker) it is possible to get a mega-watt or more, so be VERY careful if you try this at home.
Alternately if 1000 people put a watt into their 2m dish from many areas, a similar effect would be acheived and there would be no possibility of tracking down the signals.
Certainly if you are to do this stuff, know what you are doing and know the laws against it! Ofcourse this is old hat. In an election year, everything is marketed to look new.....
Wow. A small minority of people in a few cities are representative of an entire country? You are sadly mistaken, and have a very dim understanding of what is happening. Keep listening to your fearless leaders though. Oh yeah, and there is a draft about to happen. And Bush is going to take away Social Security too.
The only ways to jam a signal is to emit another signal, or alter the incident wave. There's no "new" method to jam a signal. There might be new systems or new emitters, but otherwise, when dealing with EM, these are your two options.
There exists no way of exchanging information without making judgments. --Bene Gesserit Axiom
Even if the jammer costs as much as the satellite and its destruction is guaranteed, the venture would be worthwhile. While it's quite easy to keep a bunch of these jammers in reserve somewhere and deploy them rather quickly, the satellite-owner would be hard-put to get another satellite in orbit promptly (assuming they don't have a sufficiently redundant system already in place). If time is everything in warfare, this seems like an effective tactic to neutralize enemy technology.
That said, the guy with the jammer has to be able to find and target the satellite for this to work. Do we have enough information to be able to accurately target the satellites we'd care about neutralizing?
Technically it was 2.2 buildings(don't forget the pentagon wing) and four planes.
So we still have to take out a chunck of Libya or Iran.
If you take out the Statue of Liberty (even though it was given to us by the French), the White House, and Wall Street I'd expect nothing less than the invasion of three countries, not including the invasion of france to grab some artists to replace the statue. (I'm kidding)
I don't read AC A human right
Does that mean cops wont't be able to see my radar detector with their radar detector detecteor? I mean, at least for that 1 in 100000000000 chance it ever happens at the right moment?
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Must they use electromagnetic radio frequency energy?
That's the kind of RF energy EVERYONE uses. I think the US should be different...
Some day when there is a federal Europe, they could quite easily become militarily hostile. We will then whip their ass like we did in WW1 and WW2.
G, no smiley in the whole post.
I'm scared. No, really, I'm scared. If a new generation like this (being junior) is risen in the States, then I'm truly scared.
I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I can think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.
Better check your propaganda before you spew it. BC
The middle man is what you have to do to destroy something they own. Want to destroy a building in Iraq in a non-nuclear way? Well, you have to move a ship close enough. Then you have to launch a plane, or launch a missile. Other nations get slightly disturbed whenever someone moves to within missile/plane range of their country. ICBMs weren't so much feared for their nuclear capability as they were feared for their range. Push a button, something goes boom. Same thing with this. It'll be a race. We build them, the Russians build them, the Chinese build them. We destroy one of theirs, they destroy all of ours. Mutually Assured Satellite destruction.
Job? I don't have time to get a job! Who will sit around and bitch about being broke and unemployed then?
They invadeed the _rest_ of europe, starting out from germany. Europe wasn't unified at that point.
Some up-and-coming third world country's
version of Reagan's "Brilliant Pebbles"
weapon (like a 12 gauge shotgun loaded
with "00", but in space.)
Somehow, I think a "mesh network" of low
tech satellites sporting shotguns in space
will win out over a hi tech MASER weapon.
They could actually be small enough to get
lost in a lot of the other space "junk" up
there.
We have a missile defense system that uses 'advanced rocketry techniques' to shoot inbound nukes out of the sky...
... at least 1 in 48.
For some reason I don't think this has the rest of the world shaking in their boots. I'd say the outcome of tomorrow's election is more scary than some phantom 'we can stop your rays but we ain't saying how' technology.
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None of them will be able to intercept Satan nuclear warhead that Russians have anyway. And given that they can shut down stealth planes from 250 miles away using their current anti-aircraft systems that plane won't even be able to come near to use his overpriced laser. :0)
I must have been reading a different comment.
Every time they fire this thing up, my car alarm goes on the blink for 3 days!-((
How can they target specific satelite(s) ?
If fights are fair they are also infrequent. Of the three countries in the "Axis of Evil" we went into Iraq because Iran and N Korea would have been fairer fights. Don't get me wrong, if you are going to pick a dog to kick I'd pick the chihuahua over the pit bull too.
You mean they actually use Electro-Magnetic Radio waves to jam satellite transmissions? That's so much more high tech than firing swiss cheese at those nasty satellites.
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Ie a missile that takes out both by locking on to there signal. It ie could be verry silent in the air for that target is attracting the missile.
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Europe still isn't, and have never been "unified"... EUROPE IS NOT A COUNTRY FFS#(/
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I like - I hope you - I hope you like jammin', too.
I wanna jam it;
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How ya like dat?
...In response to this news, a reggae group point out they've been jamming for much, much longer than the U.S. Military.
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Is this just another old school EM jamming technique, or something new? Of course they won't say, citing "operational security" concerns.
Nonsense! They just send it a Goatse image.
Table-ized A.I.
Because jamming satellites is going to stop suicide bombers in Baghdad, right?
Or maybe there's a bigger picture involving raising the quality of living for those living in drug torn inner cities?
Or perhaps stopping world hunger?
Dave
I write a blog now, you should be afraid.
There's not. Stop fucking assuming the worst.
The Europeans have no enemies, and instead of worrying about the people who HAVE been killing them, they go and start getting paranoid about their closest ally. Tell me who's crazier again?
-Erwos
Plausible conjecture should not be misrepresented as proof positive.
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Stratcom Jamming (Score:5, Interesting)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 05, @11:33AM (#9615153)
I used to work with an engineer who was a former air force tech on the Looking Glass. The Looking Glass missions were a group of USAF command/control aircraft ... ... one of their amusements was lowering a long antenna and jamming garage door frequencies and other civilian applications (e.g. keyless door locks). I couldn't imagine why the air force would want to interfere with garage doors and he never had a good explanation other than they were told to do that and the crew always found it amusing....
----http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthtribun e/news/opinion/7306797.htm?template=contentModules /printstory.jsp/ ... the National Transportation Safety Board's own simulations of the plane, the pilots and the weather were unable to bring the plane down. ... An abrupt cessation of communication between the plane and the tower took place at about 10:18 a.m., the same time an odd cell phone phenomenon occurred with a driver in the immediate vicinity.... ...
Carol Carmody, a former employee with the CIA, the head of the team, announced the day after that the FBI had found no indications of terrorist involvement....
So how could the FBI possibly know? ... a team of FBI agents was quickly on the crash site about noon, less than an hour after ... the (fire) chief had first located the site and found a way to access the wreck. This FBI team had come ... from the FBI office in Minneapolis."
I calculate that this team would have had to have left the Twin Cities at about the same time the Wellstone plane was taking off.
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Funny, I just read an article saying that MM's movie is going to be aired on satellite television tonight. Coincidence?
The Right Reverend K. Reid Wightman,
The key factor here isn't the ability to disrupt communications, but to do so temporarily. From what I gather, most of the Middle East relies on European commercial satellites for communications. Knocking a $500 mil bird out of the sky tends to piss of your coalition allies. Perhaps their contribution to the next war effort will be to endure a minor disruption in service while ground/air operations commennce. The people who should be outraged are the corporations who put the satellites up in the first place. Now that we have the equipment to "harmlessly" disable a satellite, the inclination to do so will likely rise as well.
Isn't it obvious this in intended to knock Al Jazeera off the air in the middle east?
But wouldn't space-warfare eventually pretty much render itself impossible? I mean, eventually you'd get so much junk whizzing so many different directions sending a craft into orbit would be like sending it into a gigantic sand blaster. Or ball mill.
I do seem to recall someone, Scotty, I think on Star Trek referring to a scow cleaning space junk from earth orbit, though...
"That is like responding to two guys getting shot by taking out two towns."
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What tipped the US prez (Bush The Elder?) over the edge on Panama? At least the prima facie excuse - a (one)US Marine killed.
One source:http://www.military.com/Resources/HistoryS
(I am sure there are more/better)
Result: invasion
yes there was a lot of history and plenty of other reasons (can anyone else say control of the canal) but the tipping point was two people
The Singularity is closer than you think
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This bullshit deployment is in response to the EU deploying their alternative to the US' monopolistic GPS and data-denial choke-point.
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See:
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir
I wish I could summon up Ichi. I'd have him take out ALL the military satellites and just "level the playing field" to see just what happens next. Governmental arrogance at that level pisses me off, and turns me into even MORE of a root-man for the underdog--or for those not wanting to be "controlled" by the US, my place of birth by happenstance.
Maybe it's time for preemptive strike on makers of destabilizing technologies. Hmm, I guess that would invite charges of sedition, treason, and such. But, the atmosphere now makes me feel that certainly, humans don't deserve to get past 240,000 miles of Earth until the/we resolve the crap going on here (war, famine, control by some certain greedy corrupt politicians and certain wealthy types...). Hmm, I guess god will continue to be an absentee landlord...
Seems to me that ANYone arrogant enough to deploy a system intent on bossing the world into submission deserves being struck (down or counter-jammed). Sounds monopolistic, imperialist, manifest destinist, conquistatorist, and more. Sounds like the very thing this country holds antithetical to freedom. Surveillance and info-gathering are one thing, but...
Now, if this is used to prevent an active, direct threat or attack UPON US satellites, it's one thing. But, to deploy and use the system just to prevent people from transmitting news from non-US soil... well, that's tantamount to declaring war upon the target, or whomever sponsors or supports the target.
It's not as if this deployment is to neutralize a bin-laden-owned satellite. But, if say, Japan, or Taiwan or France are just leasing or renting out a channel and the US decides to block it for its own convenience, then there should at a minimum be lawsuits, and at a next level some "direct action" to get the decision "undone". I dare say it's time for our so-called allies and buddies to re-think just what could happen to THEM if they run afoul of the cozy, current relationship.
Some governing and weaponeering humans have a shitload of arrogance to perpetuate conflict and claim to be engaging in "conflict resolution".
By the way, see JSA: Joint Security Area and check the reviews on IMDB. Rent it if you can, likely from your local CN/VN video outlet.
I wonder how much intel the US will pass on the Koreans in the South:
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir
See:
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/oped/index.asp
(At the national level my vote was already bought and paid for by corporations.)
Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
The "..and to deny an enemy any similar benefits" sounds very elitist. Since when did we inherit the right to control everything? What if England wants unhindered access to space? Do we tell them no, they have to write a formal request to enter our beloved space? Do we own space now? If any other nation tried to form a similar project, we would shut it down on the spot, or strike them pre-emptively. I want to know who elected us supreme world rulers. I am personally sick of this crap. Star Wars, this shit, everything. We continue to give ourselves new powers and privileges because we know that no one else is going to stand up to us out of fear. Is this really the image we want to project? How is this supposed to improve international relations, when we have satellites in space prepared to cut off anyone's communications on a whim, or in the name of "national security". It's like a PATRIOT Act for the human race.
... but i was nuking my dinner.
Anti-aircraft systems, fighter jets, attack helicopters, portable anti-tank weaponry, anti-ship missiles, high-speed torpedoes, nuclear weapons, electromagnetic bombs, etc. The list is pretty long.
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Every time Russians demonstrate something the US military are shocked. Last time this happened when Iraqi rebels punctured the armor of US Abrams tank with an "unknown" portable weapon: http://www.navytimes.com/print.php?f=1-292236-233
..and it still isn't.
We're all separate countries, pretty much the same way as 60 years ago.
The EU doesn't unike states the same was as they're united in the US (yet). It was found to stop further wars after WW1
and has since expanded but Europe is still not a nation of it's own.
Lone Star: Listen, we're not just doing this for money. Barf's ears prick up. We're doing it for a shitload of money! . . . .Tasting some of the jam. Raspberry. There is only one man who would DARE to give me the raspberry. Pulls down helmet. Lone Star.
Barf: Oh, you're right. And when you're right, you're right. And you, you're all ways right. OK, we save her, but how? The minute we move in there, they'll spot us on their radar.
Lone Star: Unnn uhh
Barf: Unnnh haa
Lone Star: Unnn uhh
Barf: Unnnh haa
Lone Star: Unnn uhh! Not if we jam it!
Barf: Ahh ha! You're right.
Lone Star: Down scope!
Barf: Down scope. Radar about to be jammed!
Jar of jam flies at radar. Cut to SB1 radar console. Console goes on the fritz.
Radarman: Shit. Picks up microphone. In a funny voice: Sir?
Sandurz: What is it.
Radarman: Can I talk to you for a minute, please, sir?
Sandurz and Helmet approch.
Sandurz: Well?
Radarman: Still into mic. I'm having trouble with the radar, sir.
Sandurz: Putting away microphone. You don't need that, private, we're right here, now what is it?
Radarman: Without mic, but still in funny voice: I'm having trouble with the radar, sir.
Helmet:Rips mic out of holder and throws away. Now what is it!?
Radarman: Back in normal voice: I'm having trouble with the radar, sir.
Helmet: What's wrong with it?
Radarman: I've lost the bleeps, the creeps, and the sweeps.
Sandurz: The what, . .
Helmet: The what, . .
Sandurz: And the what?
Radarman: You know, the bleeps; Makes 'bleep' noises. The sweeps; Make 'sweep' noises. And the creeps; Makes 'creep' noises.
Helmet: To Sandurz: Thats not all he's lost. .
Radarman: Sir. The radar, sir. It appears to be . . . jammed. Jam drips down sceen.
Helmet: Jammed. .
Life is not for the lazy.
only a matter of time before kids start building their own jamming equipment in their basements...
All the torrents you could want.
The "remarkable" ability of the military to accomplish their objective years ahead of plan sounds like the all-too-frequent result of a plan dreamed up in isolation by marketers, board members, and managers working with no real technical input, once they finally present their vision to an engineer.
Translate the commercial job functions listed above into their military/gov't equivalents, adding "spooks" to taste.