What good will your T&L do if your higher geometic detail games will be maxing out the cards bandwidth? Show me a $300 nvidia card that doesn't suffer from memory bandwith problems at high resolutions and I might believe you:)
Going from a $300 Ultra to a $150 Kyro II would be a step back. But going from a $200-250 GTS to the $150 kyro would not.
See my post above... all indications are that memory bandwidth is much more important then T&L with current games and the Geforce2 end up doing T&L in software mode with the programable T&L features in DX8 (which means the GF2 is in the same boat as the Kyro).
If you can afford the Ultras or Geforce 3s then go for it. But keep in mind the Ultra becomes as useless as the Kyro when Doom 3 ships;)
As for CPU anyone who uses a P3-500 obviously isn't getting great performance no matter what card they have... if you have a p3-500, skip the vid card upgrade... Grab a 1ghz amd chip and mobo for that $200-250 you would have blown on the GTS.
I'm excited about this card as it gives a "fresh" approach to the problem of limited bandwidth that even the Geforce 3 keeps hitting. If the Kyro 2 sells well, I can't wait to see their next offering that brings in the T&L from their arcade boards, higher clock speeds, more pipelines, DDR, while keeping the tile renderer approach.
Hmmm... I wonder if the rumors about Creative Labs becoming the second mainstream card manufacturer to adopt the Kyro II are correct... If they are, expect nvidia to start dropping prices on the GTS fast!:)
Sorry folks... I cut and paste all those links and it turns out they use some weird cookie shit... sigh...
Well anyways to see the benchmarks pop this url: http://www.rivastation.com/3dprophet4500-64mb.htm
Into http://world.altavista.com and select German to English. On the site you'll see a sidebar on the right side with links to the individual benchmarks.
If anything these benchmarks should show you how little the current hardware T&L is being used and helping performance.
The Anandtech benchmarks were done some time ago with drivers that are a month to two months old. The feedback from Anandtech, other sites, and game developers have caused some more work to be done on the drivers and the result is this:
The so called "performance" hit in Giants was really a Giants bug... the demo shows the hit but the real game has a patch available that greatly speeds up the kyro and makes it look much nicer image quality wise
The graphics and performance bugs found in MTBR turned out to be MTBR bugs (notice a theme here?) which were fixed in a patch by the MTBR developers. The game now runs much faster without the noted graphics bugs. (Does the GeForce3 even show textures in this game yet?;)
Much of the Evolva DX8 benchmark penalties have been fixed (driver bug) and the Evolva people are adding features like the 8 layer multitexturing stuff that the Kyro supports but the Geforce 2 falls flat on its face with.
Some benchmarks with latest drivers and all the common tweaks which don't create combatibility problems:
http://www.rivastation.com/3dprophet4500-64mb.htm (use babblefish)
Note how the GTS beats the kyro at 16bit but the Kyro beats the GTS at 32bit... at low res's the GTS wins but as the res is bumped up the GTS starts hitting bandwidth limitations which the Kyro doesn't see at all
MBTR Benchmark
The GTS wins at 16bit, the Kyro wins at 32bit... GASP! What?!?! T&L didn't help the bandwidth limited GTS at 32bit?!?! OH NO!
MDK2
MDK2 is about the only game currently where T&L counts... but look at 1280x1024@32bit color the KyroII turns in an acceptible 61fps compared to the Geforce GTS's 56fps. Why? The GTS's DDR powered memory bandwidth is capped while the KyroII's smart way of rendering means its non-DDR bandwidth isn't even sweating. What good is T&L if you can't fit all the textures through your memory bus?
Full Screen Antialiasing
The Kyro whipes the GTS all over the floor when FSAA is used at decent resolutions... sorry Nvidia fans, you'll have to fork out $500 for nonbroken FSAA.
And next its time to discuss the myth that the GeForce 2's T&L will be even remotely useful in a year or two... Aquanox (DX8 features)
This benchmark stresses DX8 features such as the programmable T&L and all the cool features Doom3 will be using. The Kyro lays around at 10fps and misterious drops off on the highend (driver bug?). But what is shocking is look how low the GTS scores are. Even at 640x480 its not even "playable". Proof positive that the GeForce 2's onboard T&L goes out the window when DX8 takes off and its in the same boat as the Kyro.
What does this all mean? It means if you have the cash get the GeForce3... If you don't, don't bother paying all the extra cash for the Geforce2 GTS, Pros, Ultras, etc. As they will be useless with Doom 3 and friends anyways. Do what I'm going to do, pick up a Kyro II for below $150 in a month, use it for a year, and grab a next generation GeForce3 when they are at a reasonable price (> $250-$300 is not reasonable for any video card... bleh)
I'd like to also note that you obviously don't own Tribes2 or understand how fucked up an engine it is if you dare mention it in the same context as card performance. My G400 is performing much better then VooDoo5s with this game! And sub-$300 GeForce2 owners are constantly bitching about performance as $150 Radeons are beating them consistantly. When you go from quality at 100% to the lowest quality settings and you only get a 10fps boost, something is fucked up.
Ok.. I'm done ranting... hope someone found this informative:)
I'm just tired of seeing an article about GNOME or KDE (with the article not even bringing up the topic of the other) and seeing 1,000,000 posts about how the other is better, etc.
Instead of discussing that "wow, a mainstream hardware company is bundling linux with desktop machines preconfigured now!" people are saying "bleh. GNOME sucks... its too corporate.. GNOME sold their souls". I guess its a crime for a company to sell an opensource based product. Better call up all the distro makers and support companies and tell him.
I remember the slashdot articles dealing with the Gnome Foundation and how most of the posts were KDE users and advocates complaining about it all the while the KDE developers were playing catchup in that regard. Hypocracy?
GNOME was started because KDE originally depended on a non-open library (QT). Its kinda hard to have an truely opensource desktop when a private company has your UI toolkit by the balls and its far from being open.
If it wasn't for GNOME and the pressure from competition with it, we'd be stuck with a pitiful windows clone that still depended on closed source QT.
And who are you to say something doesn't have the right to exist? Perhaps it would have occured to you that people picked gnome or KDE for different reasons? Your showing your a complete clueless fuck if you can't admit that one has advantages the other doesn't have and dismiss it as being worthless.
Whats the matter of choice? Your limited intellect make it impossible for you to evaluate each and pick the one that makes the best sense for you?
Excuse me? Where did the article mention KDE?
Why do KDE people always have to attack GNOME?
I, as a gnome user, don't waste my time attacking
KDE whenever they have good news, etc. I'm glad the average KDE advocate hasn't dropped the "We can never do wrong, anything that isn't C++ sucks, screw being moral and respecting the traditions of the opensource community" BS that drove many people to program for GNOME in the first place.
(And for people who say KDE is faster, hah. KDE
is noticably slower for me then GNOME with a pixmap gtk theme on my 1ghz athlon)
There are quite a few of us around that run
Linux as their primary OS. I play Quake3 and Unreal Tournament under it all the time and I buy Loki games quite often. The only copy of windows on this harddrive is under vmware and it certainly isn't for playing games (hint: its for networking experiments).
And I suppose all those dedicated servers running on Linux are on dualboot boxen? [/sarcasm]
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Have you even used a computer? Or even tried one of the programs?
Windows Media Player kicks RealPlayer's ass at streaming audio and video and doesn't do that bad of a job with other formats. I keep NT around under vmware for it and a couple other programs. Its one of the best "free" players I've seen that handles mpeg (fullscreen!) and other so called open standards well.
And as for quicktime... it just blows on any platform... The damn windows player is the most infuriating thing in the world... the quality looks terrible and the sound skips like a whore... meanwhile windows media player can play 100MB fullscreen mpegs without even sweating...
Squaresoft's decision to support the PSX2 instead of the Dreamcast was a big factor for me in not buying a Dreamcast. I wonder how many other people feel similar...
According to the article Phoenix is looking for some way to increase their profits.
Translation: They will still charge the same price _and_ get money from spamming you. (Gee... glad both of my machines have AMI)
I can't wait for the first computer virus (via outlook express?) to make the rounds fucking with BIOS settings and putting script kiddie messages in the bootup screen.
Primestar is not "going out of buisness" as you say. They were bought. You imply that DirectTV just bought part of the company and left the rest to flounder... DirecTV (or Hughes, their parent company) bought the entire PrimeStar company.
Secondly, your obviously not a PrimeStar customer. If you were, you would have been bombarded by the constant commercials telling customers whats going to happen, articles in the programming guide, and messages on your monthly bill statements.
I have spoken to PrimeStar tech support directly. (I hope DirecTV keeps the tech support department around, they were one of the best assets PrimeStar had) What is going to happen is the customers are being asked to wait until DirecTV itself (not any of its dealers, etc) contacts them. Then DirecTV will send some techs to install the new equipment (hense, switch you over). They are planning to offer a similar rental plan that PrimeStar used for most of their customers. The PrimeStar service will continue until everyone is switched over. Thus the customer doesn't have to do anything until they switch them over.
As for free DISH network equipment, that is just plain FUD being spread by DISH network dealers trying to capitalize on confused PrimeStar customers. When all they got to do is wait and DirecTV will come and install everything for them and get a much better system then the shitty programming packages DISH network provides (yes, I've seen the pricing... UGH)
-- A satisfied PrimeStar customer looking forward to DirecTV
The Linux Community denied rumors today involving demand for Intuit's shitty products on the Linux platform.
"Who would want a port of this shitty windows only program from a company with no clue?" one Linux user was quoted as saying today. "I mean everyone knows that Quicken will be dead in a few years anyways as Microsoft continues its efforts to bundle apps like Microsoft Office and Microsoft Money with its Windows operating system."
Other Linux users were quoted as saying that the lack of a port was actually a good thing. "Such a port would give the false impressions that Quicken would still be around in two or so years. Many Quicken users would end up stuck with an outdated finance program when Intuit (which seems to have only one program that sells well, Quicken) finally goes under."
Linux users are encouraged to look for more viable alternatives such as OpenSource software and the upcoming web-based finance programs that are sure to come.
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What good will your T&L do if your higher geometic detail games will be maxing out the cards bandwidth? Show me a $300 nvidia card that doesn't suffer from memory bandwith problems at high resolutions and I might believe you :)
Going from a $300 Ultra to a $150 Kyro II would be a step back. But going from a $200-250 GTS to the $150 kyro would not.
;)
:)
See my post above... all indications are that memory bandwidth is much more important then T&L with current games and the Geforce2 end up doing T&L in software mode with the programable T&L features in DX8 (which means the GF2 is in the same boat as the Kyro).
If you can afford the Ultras or Geforce 3s then go for it. But keep in mind the Ultra becomes as useless as the Kyro when Doom 3 ships
As for CPU anyone who uses a P3-500 obviously isn't getting great performance no matter what card they have... if you have a p3-500, skip the vid card upgrade... Grab a 1ghz amd chip and mobo for that $200-250 you would have blown on the GTS.
I'm excited about this card as it gives a "fresh" approach to the problem of limited bandwidth that even the Geforce 3 keeps hitting. If the Kyro 2 sells well, I can't wait to see their next offering that brings in the T&L from their arcade boards, higher clock speeds, more pipelines, DDR, while keeping the tile renderer approach.
Hmmm... I wonder if the rumors about Creative Labs becoming the second mainstream card manufacturer to adopt the Kyro II are correct... If they are, expect nvidia to start dropping prices on the GTS fast!
Sorry folks... I cut and paste all those links and it turns out they use some weird cookie shit... sigh...
Well anyways to see the benchmarks pop this url: http://www.rivastation.com/3dprophet4500-64mb.htm
Into http://world.altavista.com and select German to English. On the site you'll see a sidebar on the right side with links to the individual benchmarks.
If anything these benchmarks should show you how little the current hardware T&L is being used and helping performance.
The Anandtech benchmarks were done some time ago with drivers that are a month to two months old. The feedback from Anandtech, other sites, and game developers have caused some more work to be done on the drivers and the result is this:
Some benchmarks with latest drivers and all the common tweaks which don't create combatibility problems:
http://www.rivastation.com/3dprophet4500-64mb.htm (use babblefish) Note how the GTS beats the kyro at 16bit but the Kyro beats the GTS at 32bit... at low res's the GTS wins but as the res is bumped up the GTS starts hitting bandwidth limitations which the Kyro doesn't see at all
MBTR Benchmark The GTS wins at 16bit, the Kyro wins at 32bit... GASP! What?!?! T&L didn't help the bandwidth limited GTS at 32bit?!?! OH NO!
MDK2 MDK2 is about the only game currently where T&L counts... but look at 1280x1024@32bit color the KyroII turns in an acceptible 61fps compared to the Geforce GTS's 56fps. Why? The GTS's DDR powered memory bandwidth is capped while the KyroII's smart way of rendering means its non-DDR bandwidth isn't even sweating. What good is T&L if you can't fit all the textures through your memory bus?
Full Screen Antialiasing The Kyro whipes the GTS all over the floor when FSAA is used at decent resolutions... sorry Nvidia fans, you'll have to fork out $500 for nonbroken FSAA.
And next its time to discuss the myth that the GeForce 2's T&L will be even remotely useful in a year or two... Aquanox (DX8 features) This benchmark stresses DX8 features such as the programmable T&L and all the cool features Doom3 will be using. The Kyro lays around at 10fps and misterious drops off on the highend (driver bug?). But what is shocking is look how low the GTS scores are. Even at 640x480 its not even "playable". Proof positive that the GeForce 2's onboard T&L goes out the window when DX8 takes off and its in the same boat as the Kyro.
What does this all mean? It means if you have the cash get the GeForce3... If you don't, don't bother paying all the extra cash for the Geforce2 GTS, Pros, Ultras, etc. As they will be useless with Doom 3 and friends anyways. Do what I'm going to do, pick up a Kyro II for below $150 in a month, use it for a year, and grab a next generation GeForce3 when they are at a reasonable price (> $250-$300 is not reasonable for any video card... bleh)
I'd like to also note that you obviously don't own Tribes2 or understand how fucked up an engine it is if you dare mention it in the same context as card performance. My G400 is performing much better then VooDoo5s with this game! And sub-$300 GeForce2 owners are constantly bitching about performance as $150 Radeons are beating them consistantly. When you go from quality at 100% to the lowest quality settings and you only get a 10fps boost, something is fucked up.
Ok.. I'm done ranting... hope someone found this informative :)
I've seen plenty of people figure out ways of hanging it out their window, etc.
And if you have a window that doesn't use lead class that faces in the right direction, you could even have the dish inside of the window...
Just a thought...
I'm just tired of seeing an article about GNOME or KDE (with the article not even bringing up the topic of the other) and seeing 1,000,000 posts about how the other is better, etc.
Instead of discussing that "wow, a mainstream hardware company is bundling linux with desktop machines preconfigured now!" people are saying "bleh. GNOME sucks... its too corporate.. GNOME sold their souls". I guess its a crime for a company to sell an opensource based product. Better call up all the distro makers and support companies and tell him.
I remember the slashdot articles dealing with the Gnome Foundation and how most of the posts were KDE users and advocates complaining about it all the while the KDE developers were playing catchup in that regard. Hypocracy?
GNOME was started because KDE originally depended on a non-open library (QT). Its kinda hard to have an truely opensource desktop when a private company has your UI toolkit by the balls and its far from being open.
If it wasn't for GNOME and the pressure from competition with it, we'd be stuck with a pitiful windows clone that still depended on closed source QT.
And who are you to say something doesn't have the right to exist? Perhaps it would have occured to you that people picked gnome or KDE for different reasons? Your showing your a complete clueless fuck if you can't admit that one has advantages the other doesn't have and dismiss it as being worthless.
Whats the matter of choice? Your limited intellect make it impossible for you to evaluate each and pick the one that makes the best sense for you?
Excuse me? Where did the article mention KDE? Why do KDE people always have to attack GNOME? I, as a gnome user, don't waste my time attacking KDE whenever they have good news, etc. I'm glad the average KDE advocate hasn't dropped the "We can never do wrong, anything that isn't C++ sucks, screw being moral and respecting the traditions of the opensource community" BS that drove many people to program for GNOME in the first place.
(And for people who say KDE is faster, hah. KDE is noticably slower for me then GNOME with a pixmap gtk theme on my 1ghz athlon)
Your assuming wrong...
There are quite a few of us around that run Linux as their primary OS. I play Quake3 and Unreal Tournament under it all the time and I buy Loki games quite often. The only copy of windows on this harddrive is under vmware and it certainly isn't for playing games (hint: its for networking experiments).
And I suppose all those dedicated servers running on Linux are on dualboot boxen? [/sarcasm]
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Have you even used a computer? Or even tried one of the programs?
Windows Media Player kicks RealPlayer's ass at streaming audio and video and doesn't do that bad of a job with other formats. I keep NT around under vmware for it and a couple other programs. Its one of the best "free" players I've seen that handles mpeg (fullscreen!) and other so called open standards well.
And as for quicktime... it just blows on any platform... The damn windows player is the most infuriating thing in the world... the quality looks terrible and the sound skips like a whore... meanwhile windows media player can play 100MB fullscreen mpegs without even sweating...
Squaresoft's decision to support the PSX2 instead of the Dreamcast was a big factor for me in not buying a Dreamcast. I wonder how many other people feel similar...
Matrox is paying Percision Insight to develop G400 and G200 drivers. This will include OpenGL and eventually dualhead using a G400 dualhead card.
Check out www.matrox.com or www.matroxusers.com and look for Linux related press releases for more information.
Worked fine here...
Worked with Mandrake 6.1 with shipped kernel and custom kernel
(and yes, the client is a win98 box)
strace -p pid
Hope this helps...
I've never seen their shell script work... from the bin directory do this:
./apprunner
:)
# export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=`pwd`
#
It works for me
According to the article Phoenix is looking for some way to increase their profits.
Translation: They will still charge the same price _and_ get money from spamming you. (Gee... glad both of my machines have AMI)
I can't wait for the first computer virus (via outlook express?) to make the rounds fucking with BIOS settings and putting script kiddie messages in the bootup screen.
Every single thing he said in his rebutal was factually correct. Even the Fuckwit part. The definition fits you.
www.fuckwit.tm has detailed information on what exactly a fuckwit is and even includes some examples.
The error message means he doesn't have the right perl modules installed. geesh. try looking up CPAN.
Primestar is not "going out of buisness" as you say. They were bought. You imply that DirectTV just bought part of the company and left the rest to flounder... DirecTV (or Hughes, their parent company) bought the entire PrimeStar company.
Secondly, your obviously not a PrimeStar customer. If you were, you would have been bombarded by the constant commercials telling customers whats going to happen, articles in the programming guide, and messages on your monthly bill statements.
I have spoken to PrimeStar tech support directly. (I hope DirecTV keeps the tech support department around, they were one of the best assets PrimeStar had) What is going to happen is the customers are being asked to wait until DirecTV itself (not any of its dealers, etc) contacts them. Then DirecTV will send some techs to install the new equipment (hense, switch you over). They are planning to offer a similar rental plan that PrimeStar used for most of their customers. The PrimeStar service will continue until everyone is switched over. Thus the customer doesn't have to do anything until they switch them over.
As for free DISH network equipment, that is just plain FUD being spread by DISH network dealers trying to capitalize on confused PrimeStar customers. When all they got to do is wait and DirecTV will come and install everything for them and get a much better system then the shitty programming packages DISH network provides (yes, I've seen the pricing... UGH)
-- A satisfied PrimeStar customer looking forward to DirecTV
Perhaps some ppl should read the licenses before
assuming something was written by/for the GNU?
You know the world doesn't graviate around RMS's vision of the world like some of the radicals around here would like you to believe...
The Linux Community denied rumors today involving demand for Intuit's shitty products on the Linux platform.
"Who would want a port of this shitty windows only program from a company with no clue?" one Linux user was quoted as saying today. "I mean everyone knows that Quicken will be dead in a few years anyways as Microsoft continues its efforts to bundle apps like Microsoft Office and Microsoft Money with its Windows operating system."
Other Linux users were quoted as saying that the lack of a port was actually a good thing. "Such a port would give the false impressions that Quicken would still be around in two or so years. Many Quicken users would end up stuck with an outdated finance program when Intuit (which seems to have only one program that sells well, Quicken) finally goes under."
Linux users are encouraged to look for more viable alternatives such as OpenSource software and the upcoming web-based finance programs that are sure to come.