Remember the Susan B' Anthony dollar?
I can just see all the early adopters running around with shinny new RFID tags in there arm that no one has readers for.
Honestly if we can't make a secure satelite tv, music, or DVD DRM system what makes them think they can secure this?
Like it or not, there is a lot of grey/black market business that depends on cash and anoniminty of cash. I can't see any of those going away, even with digital cash and an audit trail. Those people aren't going to give up money making markets.
How can they claim to be closed source, when they offer the source code for download via ftp and cvs?
http://viewcvs.sourceforge.net/index.html#Download
Since it was scheduled for release at Christmas, which is in DECEMBER.
Lets seee.......
Janurary, Febuary, March, April! Hay that's four!
(Ok, yes I know November was put out as a release date as well.)
A company releases the arguably most popular video game fo all time and they aren't serious? Boggle.
Being good game developers and being "good businessmen" are wildly different things. Have you been to id's offices lately? Think "Flyn" from Tron, living over his arcade and not giving a rip about corporate structure. id, and valve, have been, and still are, the best there is in there own seperates ways.
I honestly believe that any reasonable doctor of psychology would be forced to diagnose him as insane, and should be committed to a mental health facility.
He has delusions of grandeur. He cannot tell reality from fiction. He is having paranoid delusions.
He is clearly not competition to look out for he own well being.
He is obviously psychotic, possibly schizophrenic.
Linux is a kernel.
Redhat is a distribution that uses the Linux kernel. It's also got a bunch of GNU applications that help make it a useable whole package. So are Gentoo, Debian, SuSe, Caldera, Mandrake, and every other distribution that exists.
Open source methodology is a process. It happens to be the one that is used to develop the Linux kernel, and the GNU software apps, and lots of other non-Linux, and non-GNU software.
Words mean things. Fuzzy use of language, leads to fuzzy thinking. Like yout herbal karma is not in sync with alignment of your head up your ass.
As a proud american let me reply to you in this manor....
Got any job openings wherever you are? The land of the Brave, and the Home of the free isn't either one anymore and I'm tired of it. I'M DONE! I QUIT. GET ME OUT OF HERE.
I assume you use a knife for eating your dinner. Since we all know a knife can be used for stabing people you are guilty of stabing people wheither you ever stabed anyone or not! Report to your nearest jail! You are guilty of murder!
I'm you with you friend.
However I'm pretty happy about this whole car-less city idea. After all the communists move their maybe we can convince them to biuld a wall around the place, and then the rest of the freedom loving people in this world can live in peace and quiet out in the boonies.:)
Thanks for the link. Sadly none of the projects to get SHRDLU running on modern hardware has been entirely succesful. My understanding is that Winogard made some modifications to the version of MACLISP it ran on in order to do some of the things he wanted. At least the source still exists.
I have to agree with you on the CYC project being a dead end.
However the peak of machine planing and learning happened back in the 70's. The best example I can think of was SHRDLU. The "robot" lived in an entirely sythetic envirornment consisting of nothing more than some colored boxes and cones. The "robot" was a overhead gantry type winch. The invirornment, and the simulated sensors simple.
However that program displayed more intelligence than anything I've seen since.
SHRDLU : Example Interaction
Here I reproduce a sample conversation with SHRDLU as given by Terry
Winograd. Note that SHRDLU is able to perform actions
on the world, can answer questions about the world, and can also answer
questions about its actions.
pick up a red block
OK.
find a block which is taller than the one you are
olding and put it in the box
OK.
what does the box contain?
The blue pyramid and the blue block.
what is the pyramid supported by?
The box.
how many blocks are not in the box?
Four of them.
is at least one of them narrower than the one which I told
you to pick up?
Yes, the red cube.
is it supported?
Yes, by the table.
when did you pick it up?
While I was stacking up the red cube, a large red block and
a large green cube.
why?
To get rid of it.
why did you do that?
To clean off the red cube.
What every happened to programs with that kind of understanding of it's environment, if the realationships between the objects in it's world, and the ability to plan to accomplish goals. All I've seen lately is robotic vaccum cleaners that randomly change direction when it detects that it's hit a wall.
I swear to god, if I hear one more whining idiot bring up the SUV's are dumb thing, I'm going to start running over compacts. Try hauling a load of sheetrock in that compact card. Try driving to work in minnesota with 6 inches of snow on the roads in that compact.
Proud driver of a Volkwagon Golf GTI.
Proud owner of a Chevy Suburban.
Look the guys name is "-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All ", which automaticly sucks just on the basis of calling himself "Master Of All". These are the kind of people who end up being "The Gimp" from Pulp Fiction in real life.
I truely hate the entire TCPA/Palladium concept, and the direction it's going. I've hated microsoft years.. back in the days when the term "It's not done, till lotus wont run" was coined. They are a bunch of evil bastards, and we all know it. Most users don't though. They just don't care enough to look at the company that makes thier computers work. TCPA/Palladium is the perfect tool to bring that dark infected core out into the open where even the most disinterested user can see it.
After seeing the near universal hatred that the messages on the boards have brought to light I now belive that this move will do more for putting Linux, and an open source BIOS, on the desktop than anything else that has come before.
I can see the dicussion now...
MotherBoards R us V.P. - "So how many boards have we rolled off the assembly line with the new TCPA features?"
Lacky - "6.7 million sir!"
MotherBoards R us V.P. - "Fantasic! How many do we have sales orders for?"
Lacky - "umm... Seven"
These things have been around for ever, the only thing that makes the Bar Monkey special is that it was hacked together from stuff the kids had around for a great price.
http://www.wunderbar.com/products/liqcontrol.htm
Make that at least two.
If this kind of thinking becomes accepted by the population, as opposed to the companies trying to ram it down our throats, I'm going to stop buying computers.
Maybe it's time to learn to weld or take up wood working?
Because the public is never compared against the private key. It's used to validate the message, not the key. The private key is never in the hands of the xbox, the media, or anything the user can get thier hands on.
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How exactly will this prevent someone from walking into a store, picking something up, and walking out without paying for it?
Remember the Susan B' Anthony dollar? I can just see all the early adopters running around with shinny new RFID tags in there arm that no one has readers for. Honestly if we can't make a secure satelite tv, music, or DVD DRM system what makes them think they can secure this? Like it or not, there is a lot of grey/black market business that depends on cash and anoniminty of cash. I can't see any of those going away, even with digital cash and an audit trail. Those people aren't going to give up money making markets.
But the source is still downloadable from thier homepage as a tarball. Something doesn't make sense.
How can they claim to be closed source, when they offer the source code for download via ftp and cvs? http://viewcvs.sourceforge.net/index.html#Download
Yet more proof that Mark Surfas is a complete and total jackass.
Since it was scheduled for release at Christmas, which is in DECEMBER. Lets seee....... Janurary, Febuary, March, April! Hay that's four! (Ok, yes I know November was put out as a release date as well.)
A company releases the arguably most popular video game fo all time and they aren't serious? Boggle. Being good game developers and being "good businessmen" are wildly different things. Have you been to id's offices lately? Think "Flyn" from Tron, living over his arcade and not giving a rip about corporate structure. id, and valve, have been, and still are, the best there is in there own seperates ways.
I honestly believe that any reasonable doctor of psychology would be forced to diagnose him as insane, and should be committed to a mental health facility.
He has delusions of grandeur.
He cannot tell reality from fiction.
He is having paranoid delusions.
He is clearly not competition to look out for he own well being.
He is obviously psychotic, possibly schizophrenic.
Linux is a kernel. Redhat is a distribution that uses the Linux kernel. It's also got a bunch of GNU applications that help make it a useable whole package. So are Gentoo, Debian, SuSe, Caldera, Mandrake, and every other distribution that exists. Open source methodology is a process. It happens to be the one that is used to develop the Linux kernel, and the GNU software apps, and lots of other non-Linux, and non-GNU software. Words mean things. Fuzzy use of language, leads to fuzzy thinking. Like yout herbal karma is not in sync with alignment of your head up your ass.
As a proud american let me reply to you in this manor.... Got any job openings wherever you are? The land of the Brave, and the Home of the free isn't either one anymore and I'm tired of it. I'M DONE! I QUIT. GET ME OUT OF HERE.
I assume you use a knife for eating your dinner. Since we all know a knife can be used for stabing people you are guilty of stabing people wheither you ever stabed anyone or not! Report to your nearest jail! You are guilty of murder!
I'm you with you friend. However I'm pretty happy about this whole car-less city idea. After all the communists move their maybe we can convince them to biuld a wall around the place, and then the rest of the freedom loving people in this world can live in peace and quiet out in the boonies. :)
Thanks for the link. Sadly none of the projects to get SHRDLU running on modern hardware has been entirely succesful. My understanding is that Winogard made some modifications to the version of MACLISP it ran on in order to do some of the things he wanted. At least the source still exists.
I swear to god, if I hear one more whining idiot bring up the SUV's are dumb thing, I'm going to start running over compacts. Try hauling a load of sheetrock in that compact card. Try driving to work in minnesota with 6 inches of snow on the roads in that compact. Proud driver of a Volkwagon Golf GTI. Proud owner of a Chevy Suburban.
Look the guys name is "-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All ", which automaticly sucks just on the basis of calling himself "Master Of All". These are the kind of people who end up being "The Gimp" from Pulp Fiction in real life.
What the hell would I want to smuggle data across the border for? The internet works quite well for this.
I truely hate the entire TCPA/Palladium concept, and the direction it's going. I've hated microsoft years.. back in the days when the term "It's not done, till lotus wont run" was coined. They are a bunch of evil bastards, and we all know it. Most users don't though. They just don't care enough to look at the company that makes thier computers work. TCPA/Palladium is the perfect tool to bring that dark infected core out into the open where even the most disinterested user can see it. After seeing the near universal hatred that the messages on the boards have brought to light I now belive that this move will do more for putting Linux, and an open source BIOS, on the desktop than anything else that has come before. I can see the dicussion now... MotherBoards R us V.P. - "So how many boards have we rolled off the assembly line with the new TCPA features?" Lacky - "6.7 million sir!" MotherBoards R us V.P. - "Fantasic! How many do we have sales orders for?" Lacky - "umm... Seven"
These things have been around for ever, the only thing that makes the Bar Monkey special is that it was hacked together from stuff the kids had around for a great price. http://www.wunderbar.com/products/liqcontrol.htm
Make that at least two. If this kind of thinking becomes accepted by the population, as opposed to the companies trying to ram it down our throats, I'm going to stop buying computers. Maybe it's time to learn to weld or take up wood working?
Because the public is never compared against the private key. It's used to validate the message, not the key. The private key is never in the hands of the xbox, the media, or anything the user can get thier hands on.