I'm interested in realizing something, seems like an great way to contribute. I'm not a perl guy, so grokking Slashcode will require some ramp up. I am familiar and feed myself with web. What makes a site is the community, the hosting for such a project isn't my primary concern, infrastructure is something that can be acquired as need permits. Besides the design my present curiosity is mitigating abuse and request volume for visitors and flagged comments.
As wild as 2/4chan are the focus on what is being said rather than the who is appealing, unfortunately there are some drawbacks, too. I really like ycombinator, too. Based on some of the comments in this story it looks like the main draw for the community is an easy to digest comment section. I'd like to better understand how the mod points are awarded in Slashdcode. Other concerns are popular platform support, such as mobile, RSS, does anyone care about the achievements, blogs etc.? Additional moderation points?
As far as a name, I've got title in mind, something old and something new, only a few characters longer than Slashdot. I realize the switch is coming soon. I've got a few logs on the fire and will not be able to dedicate any serious time for another ~6 weeks. In the mean time I can put some thought into a prototype application design and schema. I don't want a carbon copy, so input is welcome. What's on your mind?
I'm interested in contributing, I've got a couple machines and some bandwidth, but it depends on some other factors. I really enjoy Slashdot, and would love to see this community continue, or if "we" go elsewhere, join that crowd. Maybe we can make a poll or something in what users are interested in feature wise? Slashdot of a certain era for example, or this could be a great time to refactor while keeping a familiar layout and moderation system. What's your skillset?
Kudos to the Konqueror team for making their rendering engine pluggable, though!
Indeed! To clarify, my point wasn't to slam KHTML, or the GP, but to objectively see where the issue lies. After all Slashdot is frequented by movers and shakers, which the NSA even targets;) It's a good thing there are people out there who enjoy a challenge and are working to improve things. I understand how expensive software is to maintain especially with larger code bases.
Except that I find more websites work when I enable the KWebKitPart plugin in Konqueror than when I use KHTML for the renderer.
Is this due to webkit specific markup or missing features KHTML side? Have an example page we can examine to see where the issue lies?
So, while they may have had similar origins, WebKit seems to be getting more love.
That's how forks work, it was split not simply for the awesomeness, but because they wanted to add features. If they were so satisfied with KHTML they wouldn't have forked it.
It's just a disfunctional Chrome with Opera branding now.
Chrome is just a dysfunctional Webkit, which is just a dysfunctional Khtml....
While losing Presto, which has been around since the early days, sucks it's not exactly cheap "me-tooing" the other guys. Besides, one of the reasons for the lack of popularity was the obscure rendering issues occasionally encountered with pages. "Whelp, my banking site just doesn't work, gotta switch browsers" type situations weren't exactly uncommon and arguably speak more about the markup than the engine itself but an end user might not be so understanding. Operas approach makes a lot of sense from a technical standpoint. One could dream about an opensource Presto but with the whole software patent blight I don't see that occurring any time soon.
It died when they abandoned their own codebase.
Seems more like a fork, doesn't it? Feature branch the engine, keep the UI. Granted it's still under heavy development, I'm excited about seeing it mature - I'd like to see how their development tools will be integrated (element inspection and whatnot) since the "old" Opera is known for having many useful features baked in. I'd like to see a webkit with some sweet extensible architecture so we might have Firefox level plugins, see Adblock. I realize this is available now but the effectiveness varies from Chrome to Firefox due to how webkit handles network requests, I'd like to think there is an opportunity here. If development time is ultimately saved as a result, hopefully additional features will once again be the focus instead of reinventing the wheel.
It's fine if your page stops growing at 1920 pixels, but you can't expect a tablet or mobile user to fit in 1920 pixels
You could expect it if were a tablet such as the iPad3 for example, came out late 2012 and features 2048 x 1536px. Your point still stands, keep fighting the good fight. For fun if these "designers" use frameworks try removing the doctype, or moving a submit button outside of a form, change selector cAsEs (.content-holder ->.content-hoIder) (L to i), and seeing how long it takes them to figure it out.
Ah, an advocate for the return of table based designs, I think you'd enjoy a career in email marketing! There's nothing like the satisfaction of "designing" something once and having it work everywhere! Maybe sprinkle some under construction gifs on there, too. May IEs box model never scorn you. Seriously though, this is why you just make the entire page an image map! Everybody wins!
It's because of graphic design that people use the web.
People use the web because it's laid out nicely instead of informative, since forever? They use their email or check Facebook for the layout, not the content? Example: "I can't wait to use this awesome website, it has an amazing design and the transitions are really smooth!" vs "What is traffic like on my commute this morning?" which turns an "Overturned bigrig FML!" into "hurray for surface streets!" Do you consider graphic design any kind of layout manipulation? If that's the case programmers and secretaries are now graphic designers, see grid systems and frameworks which make use of: 960grid, Bootstrap, Foundation etc. and Word documents.
The layout is half the content.
If layout was content, it would be called content. Do the sites you frequent use XML or something? Let's apply this to a few sites: half of Netflix/youtube/facebook bandwidth is due to layout semantics (CSS)? Mixing layout and content is rife for abuse (hence your experiences with layout being half of the content) perhaps if there was some separation of presentation and content... at any rate I don't see how layout is content unless you're in the business of selling layouts which would make you a salesman, and I see what you did there. If you take away all images from a website that are defined in a stylesheet, what remains is the content. When designing ads, for example, an excellent way of boiling down something is removing all the color, the images and seeing what remains. Your message. Would you rather someone to focus to how you're saying something instead of what you're saying?
If we're just talking layouts (arrangements), organizing things based on size for example, would baggers at the market be considered artist/designers since they're controlling how things are positioned? How about packing a moving truck? Playing tetris? Two guys one girl? Or is it only when it's done the computer? Is it designing a paper when you're trying to shorten a sentence so it fits on a single line?
People use the web not to look at the prettiest site, but to get information. Otherwise the prettiest flash based site would win, even if the content sucked, and Google would've gone out of business, along with Drudge Report, email would be irrelevant, nobody would text since video is superior, and you wouldn't use Slashdot unless it was made of flash and video, oh wait...
Without even trying: DrudgeReport.com, over a billion page views a month. Google.com, higher than that. For years Google was extremely conservative with their site, there are more examples hidden in plain sight.
It sounds like you're advocating helicopter parenting to handle a deceptive business practice that the FCC has fined Apple for doing.
Is it really that difficult when below an app it says "Offers In App Purchases". The words Purchase and Buy, when paired with dollar signs have pretty clear meanings. Then the whole entering your Apple ID to confirm the transaction is a hint and a half. People like this are the reason why we have as many ridiculous warnings as we do. Personal responsibility. It doesn't require 24/7 supervision, how about a quick play through? Sounds like this guy didn't even do that with his kid...
Perhaps you should apply better English supervision if you think that a "free app" should cost money to download - or money to play. I'm on firm ground on thinking that "free" means not just free to download, but free to play.
It is free to play. Another title like this, which is entirely free to play and also offers in app purchases is Candy Crush. I've sunk many hours into this title over the last year. You pay to speed things up, and bonuses. Not all games are like this, and it isn't a requirement to play. Keep an eye out for the "Offers In-App Purchases" which appears below the app title in the store. Your argument is strikingly similar to those who misunderstand what free software is in the OSS sense.
Do I really need to sit and watch him play "Plants and Zombies?". Is there too much sex or violence? It's normally not conceivable that him playing that game would be costing me money.
No, you don't need to sit and watch him play, but if you did this whole situation would've been avoided. I'd use this as a teachable moment for both of you. I think a far more interesting topic to investigate would be how did this business model come about?
Isn't it outrageous that people want to make money, especially in an ecosystem that has annual costs for a developer to participate in? Do you see the humor in someone plunking down money for an Apple device and complaining about costs? It's pretty rich!;)
They dont use it on consumer equipment because consumers are so dumb they will buy a cheaper computer without it and think they are getting a better deal, and because it's rationalized that no one (should) use consumer equipment for anything important anyway.
You might want to take another look at consumer equipment because nearly all ASUS AMD (look at the AM3+) boards have it. Intel is the one that goes out of their way to disable it.
If you want to end world hunger and drive down food prices then it's that simple, everyone would just need to convert to a plant-based diet. But people don't want to end world hunger enough to give up their meat, so this is where we are
There is so much missing/wrong with this. Contrasting things with India? Which grains are these people eating? Are they the ones pioneered by Norman Borlaug and made possible by American science? I'd say western but in this case we have a citizen who has made a tremendously positive impact worldwide and is something more of us should strive to emulate. What about the impact of current farming methods draining aquifers to feed other countries who are arguably unsustainable. America exports 50% of its wheat. As far as countries with food issues, maybe those are the ones that should worry about how many people they can realistically support, or is that asking too much of a government? This is as insightful as listening to someone say how the world is over populated, who isn't living in one of the overpopulated countries, and suggesting ridiculous things like not having any children despite the population growth being negative without rampant immigration. Why aren't these people the first in line?
Contrast that with India, where the average person consumes 440 pounds of grain per year and has very little meat in their diet
I enjoy Indian food. The thing about food is cost, and until very recently the vast majority of India was extremely poor (they still are, just slightly less). Not poor by western standards, but true poverty levels. Not to mention the Caste system and their religious beliefs which factor heavily into their diets. As their economies grow and people better themselves their diets change, we're already seeing this with China as well. India is an extremely filthy place where many people shit wherever and bathe where they ditch bodies. It has a rich history but using it as an example of agriculture and diet to be emulated is hilarious. I implore you to look at those photos and take note of the livestock compared to the people.
You're ignoring how some of these countries exist in shitty areas (deserts!) as well as the logistics issue. Africa is a giant tribal cluster fuck of humanity and the issues there don't simply stem from meat, it's an ugly social problem. Our ancestors were completely aware of how valuable land was for this very reason. As far as a wholly plant based diet what about b12, you know that vitamin that keeps your hair from falling out, why is this an issue with this allegedly superior diet?
I really wish we could all get along, there is so much we could achieve. Unfortunately this is contrary to human nature, we're wired to be tribal. This should underline the importance of advancing as a culture and why it is important to strive for excellence (see Norman). As an example look at how Japan has embraced western things coming up from wooden armor and swords 150 years ago to steel high rises and mastering industry. Life isn't fair. Nature is an equalizer and I'd like to think that eventually things will improve for everyone with the steady march of progress. The issues you've mentioned about diet and distribution are multifaceted issues that are more social than technological at this point. We still have some growing to do;)
Ah I see, the amusing part about your post that I'm commenting on is how a car should be in working order and referring to "breaks" when probably intending to say brakes, as in the part of the car that stops you. Unless you're seriously referring to worn out past damage, then by all means:)
Columbine was a horrible disaster, but they would have used explosives if they didnt have guns, we were not stopping them by getting rid of guns, we would have stopped them with better mental health
They did have explosives there. 97 (of 99) in fact. The big ones failed to go off. There would've been spectacularly higher deaths had the fuses they constructed worked properly.
The scene is still alive and well, and there are still Amiga demos to be found without great searching. Pouet.net is a great place to begin. For more general eye catching demos take a look at scene.org
While a bit old, it's still valid. Sorry to hear about your luck, I've been bitten by return periods (with brakes) but I ended up reselling them on my own. As far as computer components, I prefer to buy those from a walk-in retailer like Microcenter. They're right down the street from me and I prefer being able to do returns same day if there is an issue. Anyway, sorry to hear about your misfortune, that'd piss me off, happy holidays!
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I'm interested in realizing something, seems like an great way to contribute. I'm not a perl guy, so grokking Slashcode will require some ramp up. I am familiar and feed myself with web. What makes a site is the community, the hosting for such a project isn't my primary concern, infrastructure is something that can be acquired as need permits. Besides the design my present curiosity is mitigating abuse and request volume for visitors and flagged comments.
As wild as 2/4chan are the focus on what is being said rather than the who is appealing, unfortunately there are some drawbacks, too. I really like ycombinator, too. Based on some of the comments in this story it looks like the main draw for the community is an easy to digest comment section. I'd like to better understand how the mod points are awarded in Slashdcode. Other concerns are popular platform support, such as mobile, RSS, does anyone care about the achievements, blogs etc.? Additional moderation points?
As far as a name, I've got title in mind, something old and something new, only a few characters longer than Slashdot. I realize the switch is coming soon. I've got a few logs on the fire and will not be able to dedicate any serious time for another ~6 weeks. In the mean time I can put some thought into a prototype application design and schema. I don't want a carbon copy, so input is welcome. What's on your mind?
I'm interested in contributing, I've got a couple machines and some bandwidth, but it depends on some other factors. I really enjoy Slashdot, and would love to see this community continue, or if "we" go elsewhere, join that crowd. Maybe we can make a poll or something in what users are interested in feature wise? Slashdot of a certain era for example, or this could be a great time to refactor while keeping a familiar layout and moderation system. What's your skillset?
History of the World, Courtesy of Mel Brooks.
Kudos to the Konqueror team for making their rendering engine pluggable, though!
Indeed! To clarify, my point wasn't to slam KHTML, or the GP, but to objectively see where the issue lies. After all Slashdot is frequented by movers and shakers, which the NSA even targets ;) It's a good thing there are people out there who enjoy a challenge and are working to improve things. I understand how expensive software is to maintain especially with larger code bases.
Except that I find more websites work when I enable the KWebKitPart plugin in Konqueror than when I use KHTML for the renderer.
Is this due to webkit specific markup or missing features KHTML side? Have an example page we can examine to see where the issue lies?
So, while they may have had similar origins, WebKit seems to be getting more love.
That's how forks work, it was split not simply for the awesomeness, but because they wanted to add features. If they were so satisfied with KHTML they wouldn't have forked it.
It's just a disfunctional Chrome with Opera branding now.
Chrome is just a dysfunctional Webkit, which is just a dysfunctional Khtml....
While losing Presto, which has been around since the early days, sucks it's not exactly cheap "me-tooing" the other guys. Besides, one of the reasons for the lack of popularity was the obscure rendering issues occasionally encountered with pages. "Whelp, my banking site just doesn't work, gotta switch browsers" type situations weren't exactly uncommon and arguably speak more about the markup than the engine itself but an end user might not be so understanding. Operas approach makes a lot of sense from a technical standpoint. One could dream about an opensource Presto but with the whole software patent blight I don't see that occurring any time soon.
It died when they abandoned their own codebase.
Seems more like a fork, doesn't it? Feature branch the engine, keep the UI. Granted it's still under heavy development, I'm excited about seeing it mature - I'd like to see how their development tools will be integrated (element inspection and whatnot) since the "old" Opera is known for having many useful features baked in. I'd like to see a webkit with some sweet extensible architecture so we might have Firefox level plugins, see Adblock. I realize this is available now but the effectiveness varies from Chrome to Firefox due to how webkit handles network requests, I'd like to think there is an opportunity here. If development time is ultimately saved as a result, hopefully additional features will once again be the focus instead of reinventing the wheel.
It's fine if your page stops growing at 1920 pixels, but you can't expect a tablet or mobile user to fit in 1920 pixels
You could expect it if were a tablet such as the iPad3 for example, came out late 2012 and features 2048 x 1536px. Your point still stands, keep fighting the good fight. For fun if these "designers" use frameworks try removing the doctype, or moving a submit button outside of a form, change selector cAsEs (.content-holder -> .content-hoIder) (L to i), and seeing how long it takes them to figure it out.
Ah, an advocate for the return of table based designs, I think you'd enjoy a career in email marketing! There's nothing like the satisfaction of "designing" something once and having it work everywhere! Maybe sprinkle some under construction gifs on there, too. May IEs box model never scorn you. Seriously though, this is why you just make the entire page an image map! Everybody wins!
It's because of graphic design that people use the web.
People use the web because it's laid out nicely instead of informative, since forever? They use their email or check Facebook for the layout, not the content? Example: "I can't wait to use this awesome website, it has an amazing design and the transitions are really smooth!" vs "What is traffic like on my commute this morning?" which turns an "Overturned bigrig FML!" into "hurray for surface streets!" Do you consider graphic design any kind of layout manipulation? If that's the case programmers and secretaries are now graphic designers, see grid systems and frameworks which make use of: 960grid, Bootstrap, Foundation etc. and Word documents.
The layout is half the content.
If layout was content, it would be called content. Do the sites you frequent use XML or something? Let's apply this to a few sites: half of Netflix/youtube/facebook bandwidth is due to layout semantics (CSS)? Mixing layout and content is rife for abuse (hence your experiences with layout being half of the content) perhaps if there was some separation of presentation and content... at any rate I don't see how layout is content unless you're in the business of selling layouts which would make you a salesman, and I see what you did there. If you take away all images from a website that are defined in a stylesheet, what remains is the content. When designing ads, for example, an excellent way of boiling down something is removing all the color, the images and seeing what remains. Your message. Would you rather someone to focus to how you're saying something instead of what you're saying?
If we're just talking layouts (arrangements), organizing things based on size for example, would baggers at the market be considered artist/designers since they're controlling how things are positioned? How about packing a moving truck? Playing tetris? Two guys one girl? Or is it only when it's done the computer? Is it designing a paper when you're trying to shorten a sentence so it fits on a single line?
People use the web not to look at the prettiest site, but to get information. Otherwise the prettiest flash based site would win, even if the content sucked, and Google would've gone out of business, along with Drudge Report, email would be irrelevant, nobody would text since video is superior, and you wouldn't use Slashdot unless it was made of flash and video, oh wait...
Without even trying: DrudgeReport.com, over a billion page views a month. Google.com, higher than that. For years Google was extremely conservative with their site, there are more examples hidden in plain sight.
It sounds like you're advocating helicopter parenting to handle a deceptive business practice that the FCC has fined Apple for doing.
Is it really that difficult when below an app it says "Offers In App Purchases". The words Purchase and Buy, when paired with dollar signs have pretty clear meanings. Then the whole entering your Apple ID to confirm the transaction is a hint and a half. People like this are the reason why we have as many ridiculous warnings as we do. Personal responsibility. It doesn't require 24/7 supervision, how about a quick play through? Sounds like this guy didn't even do that with his kid...
Speak of Forklift safety, Das ist Klaus. Bonus, it's on topic!
Perhaps you should apply better English supervision if you think that a "free app" should cost money to download - or money to play. I'm on firm ground on thinking that "free" means not just free to download, but free to play.
It is free to play. Another title like this, which is entirely free to play and also offers in app purchases is Candy Crush. I've sunk many hours into this title over the last year. You pay to speed things up, and bonuses. Not all games are like this, and it isn't a requirement to play. Keep an eye out for the "Offers In-App Purchases" which appears below the app title in the store. Your argument is strikingly similar to those who misunderstand what free software is in the OSS sense.
Do I really need to sit and watch him play "Plants and Zombies?". Is there too much sex or violence? It's normally not conceivable that him playing that game would be costing me money.
No, you don't need to sit and watch him play, but if you did this whole situation would've been avoided. I'd use this as a teachable moment for both of you. I think a far more interesting topic to investigate would be how did this business model come about?
;)
Isn't it outrageous that people want to make money, especially in an ecosystem that has annual costs for a developer to participate in? Do you see the humor in someone plunking down money for an Apple device and complaining about costs? It's pretty rich!
I mean, at what point do we stop calling India a 3rd-world?
When it becomes aligned with Russia or America. First World, Second World, Third World. I'm curious why do you think India is stable?
Here's another example from the mid 80s which wouldn't fly today. The scene is from Once Bitten (1985) with Jim Carrey.
They dont use it on consumer equipment because consumers are so dumb they will buy a cheaper computer without it and think they are getting a better deal, and because it's rationalized that no one (should) use consumer equipment for anything important anyway.
You might want to take another look at consumer equipment because nearly all ASUS AMD (look at the AM3+) boards have it. Intel is the one that goes out of their way to disable it.
Thank you so much for bringing this to the discussion.
If you want to end world hunger and drive down food prices then it's that simple, everyone would just need to convert to a plant-based diet. But people don't want to end world hunger enough to give up their meat, so this is where we are
There is so much missing/wrong with this. Contrasting things with India? Which grains are these people eating? Are they the ones pioneered by Norman Borlaug and made possible by American science? I'd say western but in this case we have a citizen who has made a tremendously positive impact worldwide and is something more of us should strive to emulate. What about the impact of current farming methods draining aquifers to feed other countries who are arguably unsustainable. America exports 50% of its wheat. As far as countries with food issues, maybe those are the ones that should worry about how many people they can realistically support, or is that asking too much of a government? This is as insightful as listening to someone say how the world is over populated, who isn't living in one of the overpopulated countries, and suggesting ridiculous things like not having any children despite the population growth being negative without rampant immigration. Why aren't these people the first in line?
Contrast that with India, where the average person consumes 440 pounds of grain per year and has very little meat in their diet
I enjoy Indian food. The thing about food is cost, and until very recently the vast majority of India was extremely poor (they still are, just slightly less). Not poor by western standards, but true poverty levels. Not to mention the Caste system and their religious beliefs which factor heavily into their diets. As their economies grow and people better themselves their diets change, we're already seeing this with China as well. India is an extremely filthy place where many people shit wherever and bathe where they ditch bodies. It has a rich history but using it as an example of agriculture and diet to be emulated is hilarious. I implore you to look at those photos and take note of the livestock compared to the people.
You're ignoring how some of these countries exist in shitty areas (deserts!) as well as the logistics issue. Africa is a giant tribal cluster fuck of humanity and the issues there don't simply stem from meat, it's an ugly social problem. Our ancestors were completely aware of how valuable land was for this very reason. As far as a wholly plant based diet what about b12, you know that vitamin that keeps your hair from falling out, why is this an issue with this allegedly superior diet?
I really wish we could all get along, there is so much we could achieve. Unfortunately this is contrary to human nature, we're wired to be tribal. This should underline the importance of advancing as a culture and why it is important to strive for excellence (see Norman). As an example look at how Japan has embraced western things coming up from wooden armor and swords 150 years ago to steel high rises and mastering industry. Life isn't fair. Nature is an equalizer and I'd like to think that eventually things will improve for everyone with the steady march of progress. The issues you've mentioned about diet and distribution are multifaceted issues that are more social than technological at this point. We still have some growing to do ;)
Either a bunch of people are going to have to die off, or we're going to have to revise our ideas about distribution of wealth.
*Eyes looming healthcare snafu*
Ah I see, the amusing part about your post that I'm commenting on is how a car should be in working order and referring to "breaks" when probably intending to say brakes, as in the part of the car that stops you. Unless you're seriously referring to worn out past damage, then by all means :)
Columbine was a horrible disaster, but they would have used explosives if they didnt have guns, we were not stopping them by getting rid of guns, we would have stopped them with better mental health
They did have explosives there. 97 (of 99) in fact. The big ones failed to go off. There would've been spectacularly higher deaths had the fuses they constructed worked properly.
I have no problems with driving, owning or being in a car with a capable and conscientious driver if a car is in a working order.
worn out breaks.
:D Ihr Englisch ist ganz lustig.
The scene is still alive and well, and there are still Amiga demos to be found without great searching. Pouet.net is a great place to begin. For more general eye catching demos take a look at scene.org
While a bit old, it's still valid. Sorry to hear about your luck, I've been bitten by return periods (with brakes) but I ended up reselling them on my own. As far as computer components, I prefer to buy those from a walk-in retailer like Microcenter. They're right down the street from me and I prefer being able to do returns same day if there is an issue. Anyway, sorry to hear about your misfortune, that'd piss me off, happy holidays!
Thank you for the laugh!