This looked uberc00l:) The visuals sort of reminded me of avalon albeit a lot more colorful (avalon is a japanese movie with fantastic and unique visuals, from the director of ghost in the shell).
Finally Opera 7 is out for my apple as well! Been testing it... looks very, very good! I hear some people here dissing it, but IMO it's way better than safari and the various mozilla-variants.
"A crew of heroic young Indians - or Chinese - quietly folds and puts away America's 60-year-old flag. If the world saw that on television, wouldn't the gesture be worth tens of billions of rupees or yuan?"
Woah.. that would be like the coolest thing ever hehe:D
Water-cooling? Blah.. that's for sissies!! last year I removed the case fan, the gpu fan, the cpu fan, the motherboard fan, and the PSU fan.. and everything worked perfectly, and still does.. so.. for sissies!!
Of course.. my system is far from top-of-line, and I live in Norway, but.. that's beside the point:D
to some it might not look like much, but this was quite impressive IMO.. things are indeed moving forwards in the field of robotics, and who knows maybe we WILL see human-like robots in our lifetime, if only as walmart clerks and the likes:D
i'm impressed.. it's one of the coolest mods i've ever seen.. some might think it looks ugly, but.. this thing's not meant to be a sissie; it's a big, green motherfucker, and it's a MAN'S computer:) besides, if you think retro, it looks pretty sweet as well.. although again, not for sissies:)
I would like to point out Opera 7.11 is more like 3.2 MB than 3.7 but oh well:)
Anyway.. Opera 6 used to have an IM client as well!! think it was icq, never really used it.. but love the combination opera+M2 though.. never really liked the old mail client.
Anyway.. that's the first thing I thought when I read the article.. that sounds like old Opera:D
But I'd like to point out I wouldn't like ie. mozilla browser + mozilla mail inseperatible.. that doesn't work well because mozilla mail is a bit like outlook express.. i would never want something like that integrated with opera, bad idea.. but.. for those who haven't tried m2.. part of the reason it works so well integrated is that it organizes and display information in a completely different way than mozilla mail / OE etc.. plus it's incredibly light in comparison, and is more like "mail windows" than "mail client". If that made any sense:D Blah.
Well, I think that some things do work well together, if done correctly. Like Opera and M2. Now, M2 is the coolest mail client I've ever used, but it wouldn't have been so if it wasn't integrated with opera.
Some interesting bit of text on a site? I mark it and send it in seconds to whomever I want to in the contact list thanks to the integrated M2. Have some notes stored in Opera Notes I want to send someone? Well, I can quickly and directly do this thanks to M2. Want to just check my mail very very quickly? Well, a M2 window or 2 or 3 opens up instantly like all other windows inside Opera..
An external mail client would be less integrated, and take more time to load / "get ready". As it is, M2 is fully integrated, lightning fast, and very very cool.. and comes in a small 200 KB dll.. no thanks to external mail clients for me at least:)
There is, logically enough, people actually pay money for opera, you know.. they dont simply use it because its nonfree haha:p
why you should use opera and not firebird
-half the size, and quicker and slicker
-customizable smart & fast mouse gestures Firebird
plugins only can hope to match
-slicker tabs implementation with visual changer
and better keyboard operability
-thoughtful window management whether you browse
MDI, SDI, tabbed or a combination thereof
-superb sidebars that ought to make Firebird ashamed
-better, more extensive options for GUI customization,
and unlike Firebird it's of course fully drag-and-drop
-spatial navigation & excellent customizable keyboard
shortcuts for easy keyboard-only control & navigation
-more customizable for end-users out-of-box, and for
the more experienced users there are simple ini files
-status bar can auto-hide away from sight when not needed,
and as all bars in opera more customizable than those in FB
-customizable multiple adress bar and field web searching
-easy skinning with user customizable colour schemes
-more accessible zooming and unlike Firebird also works
on images and other elements
-contextual functionality like lookups in search engines &
dictionary, translation, paste & go, go to URL, and more
-Session management with crash recovery which can also be
used for multiple homepages
-notes functionality that is handy for a number of things
& integrated with mail client
-customizable cache handling
-innovative & unique light-weight mail client with quick-reply
-a little better download manager with quick-download function
-multiple user style sheets with good built-in accessibility
options, and uhm, commodore 64
-fast forward & rewind
-can display photo files on the Web in a slideshow
-quick-deletion of all sorts of private data
-supports w3c compliant web navigation bar functionality
-customizable auto-reload coupled with good reload options
-Great fullscreen mode, and also includes small-screen rendering
-offline, more accessible documentation, and not some hack from a third party site
-can turn images on and off on-fly through button or keyboard
-scroll bars can be turned on and off
-can show links in tooltips and toolbars, handy when status bar is on auto-hide
Otherwise it does what Firebird does.. it has good privacy options, good cookie and popup handling, a password manager, good standards support etc.. etc.. the only things I feel Firebird does better is type-ahead find (that opera lacks, although it does have an option for in-line find but it's not the same), and that you can schedule notifications for bookmarks.
Actually you only have to take a look at the menus of both programs.. Firebird's look deserted, and it looks much like a raped version of Mozilla if you ask me.. Mozilla has much better functionality and customizability than Firebird, but unfortunately, it's a complete pig to use.
well.. the most thereve been on kazaa at one time is probably close to 5 million. Usually, there are between 3.5 to 4.5 million online at the same time. i am a european, and when I log in on the day, therere usually around 3.5, but later in the evening/night the number regularly rises to 4.5 (its when the US gets online)
Wow! Try clicking on the "Security features" link on the pages for the 200- or 100-note. Like, that's a whole lot of security features!:D There must be really high rates of counterfeiting in Scandinavia!! Okay, just joking around as I suppose that would not be true with the fairly low crime rates and everything.:)
Btw, for anyone wondering; I just checked that a norwegian 200 krone note is worth about 30 american dollar, and a 100 krone note is, uhm, 15.. d'uh.:D Pretty good security for a 15 dollar note, and that without making it all plastic!! Mother of pearl effect.. LOL:D Cool cool.
I once tried to convert someone by this messy, lengthy and biased comparison of opera 7 and firebird. Unfortunately, I failed:D, but still.. Opera rules, and personally I would not even consider using an apple before opera software had a good opera browser on there.. which apparantely they still don't? Sounds stupid, but it's true. OS X sounds very tempting in some ways, but no way in hell am i gonna even think about making a switch unless opera's on.. and the GOOD opera..:)
Just trying to make the point that for many, the browser has become more important than the OS itself..
Documentation (Opera 2 - Firebird 1): Firebird's documentation is good, but getting there is confusing; the only place help takes you to is the release notes, and from there you have to browse around till you find the link for a third party site documentation. Not good enough. Opera has good, accecible documentation, and it is also off line: you can pick contents, keyboard and mouse help directly from menu.
URL accecibility (Opera 2 - Firebird 0): I don't neccesarily like to have an adress bar up as that wastes my space at low resolutions. In opera, pressing f2 brings up a dialog box with dropdown history and autocomplete. In Firebird, I cannot find anything similar. A real shame if you ask me, and even IE can do this. Mozilla has this, though.
GUI customizability (Opera 2 - Firebird 1) Opera's GUI is very configurable, and a joy at that too. You can zoom the big set of buttons, customize the text position, add and remove search fields as well as status bar fields and a field for clock and zoom. And unlike Firebird, you can do drag and drop all these elements, unless you choose to lock them down. Opera also has a navigation bar, and all bars can be placed in different places. Not even a contest actually.
Skin (Opera 2 - Firebird 1) It is more of a hassle to both download and change skins in Firebird. Also, Opera has the very cool feauture that you can change the colour scheme of any skin, as well as turn special effects on and of.
Tab (Opera 2 - Firebird 1) The tab interface in Opera is simply better. Besides just looking better, they have better mouse and keyboard accecibility, and a visual changer as well. Also, it is quite limiting that in Firebird you cannot choose to open a tab in foreground. Firebird's reload tab options are a little more accecible than opera's though, but opera on the other hand has a handy close all but active tab function.
Status bar (Opera 2 - Firebird 0) Love this one. Opera's only shows up when a page is loading, as under normal circumstances, that's the only time you'd need the status bar! So, this saves space, but if you don't like it's customizable. Also, opera's can be placed both at top and bottom, and shows lots more information than firebird's. Oh, and many use the status bar for checking out where a link points to and stuff: but in Opera, you can have this information show up in tooltips, so as I said I really love Opera on this one.
Mouse gestures (Opera 2 - Firebird 0) Well, firebird don't have them by default. Opera's are almost perfect and even customizable. The downloadable gesture plugins for Firebird don't quite do it for me either.
Update notification (Opera 0 - Firebird 2) Firebird has customizable notification of site updates. Opera has no such functionality.
Context functionality (Opera 2 - Firebird 1) In Opera, mark something, and by right-clicking it you can search it through a search engine of choice, translate it, or look it up in an encyclopedia or a dictionary. Instead of pasting a link and then pressing enter or clicking go, you can just choose paste and go in the context menu. Double clicking a word also brings up the context menu for easier access. Otherwise the context menu's in Opera are much more filled with options, and at least
I agree.. opera rocks:) Mm what was the question again? Anyway.. I love opera.. and the whole philoshophy behind opera is something you just have to dig in this age of stupid and bloated software. Opera is light, clever, functional and oooh so darn sexy. Well yes I'm a zealot. BUT.. if something happened to opera one day.. well.. THEN it would be good to have the moz-thing as a backup:)
The reason is that opera is a better browser:) Or why else do you think we would actually PAY for a browser?:) We don't turn computers into politics too much, we just want to use the best. And at the moment that is Opera. IMHO of course. And yes, i try each new version of pheonix.. not good enough.
You could do something similar with inline find, or you could use spatial navigation (shift+arrow key to navigate through links).
Each time there's a new firebird/pheonix version, I try
it out. Each time I go back to good old opera, now up
at 7.11 and as good as ever. Sure, I can do most of the
stuff I do with opera with firebird too, but opera does
all the small things right that firebird often doesn't
manage just quite right, IMO, and has lots more polish
if you ask me.
I've played it, and playing it right now in fact.. My 3-3-3-1 starting to perform very nicely with aston villa, 2nd on table at the moment, trying to challenge the gunners..:)
Btw, what a brilliant game the one between arsenal and leeds today was.. congratulations with winning the title back manu, and also thanks to arsenal for making the year so entertaining:) Hope to see you both do well in champion's league next time:)
Blah.. nokia phones are by far the most popular phones here in scandinavia, and well, I'm tired of both the brand and their design. And frankly, some of the nokia designs are simply lame. I prefer clean and simple, and on that regard both siemens and sonyericsson are better than nokia. My opinion anyway.. and I think the p800 looks very cool.
Oh, and being Norwegian, jeg hadde også likt å eie en svensk telefon =) For english speakers, if you really try hard you should be able to understand that.
Not only do you get to own a seriously sexy and functional "phone", you also get to be the envy of both jock and nerd. Oh, and it also runs one of the coolest browsers out there, Opera!!
I like it because it's a great storytelling medium. As you cannot rely too much on motion as in live action, you have to compensate for that by putting more work into making more interesting characters and story. Also, as the world is truly yours to shape in whatever form you wish in animation, it's often completely "out of this world".. that has its appeal, considering such entertainment is supposed to be escapist fantasies.
Other factors.. the japanese culture is cool.. it's familiar in some ways because of the influence from the west, but yet it's also very distinguished like an unique mixture of old and new. Some like the language too.
Oh, one more thing.. for many it also holds "art potential", whether we're talking simple or advanced animation design.. or as I like to say.. I could take professional grade camera equipment and film a scene just the way michael mann or whatever did.. but i cannot even draw a minute's worth of simple cartoons that DON'T look like complete sh**.
Slashdot Mirror
This looked uberc00l :)
The visuals sort of reminded me of avalon albeit a lot
more colorful (avalon is a japanese movie with fantastic
and unique visuals, from the director of ghost in the
shell).
Finally Opera 7 is out for my apple as well!
Been testing it... looks very, very good!
I hear some people here dissing it, but IMO
it's way better than safari and the various
mozilla-variants.
"A crew of heroic young Indians - or Chinese - quietly folds and puts away America's 60-year-old flag. If the world saw that on television, wouldn't the gesture be worth tens of billions of rupees or yuan?"
:D
Woah.. that would be like the coolest thing ever
hehe
Water-cooling? Blah.. that's for sissies!!
:D
last year I removed the case fan, the gpu
fan, the cpu fan, the motherboard fan, and
the PSU fan.. and everything worked perfectly,
and still does.. so.. for sissies!!
Of course.. my system is far from top-of-line,
and I live in Norway, but.. that's beside
the point
to some it might not look like much, but this :D
was quite impressive IMO.. things are indeed
moving forwards in the field of robotics, and who
knows maybe we WILL see human-like robots in our
lifetime, if only as walmart clerks and the likes
i'm impressed.. it's one of the coolest mods i've ever :) besides, if you think retro, :)
seen.. some might think it looks ugly, but.. this thing's
not meant to be a sissie; it's a big, green motherfucker,
and it's a MAN'S computer
it looks pretty sweet as well.. although again, not for
sissies
http://www.opera.com/graphics/docs/screenshots/ope ra-711-win-m2.jpg
:) the thing on the left is the
That's how it looks like btw
"hotlist" (sidebars), not part of the mail window at the right.
I would like to point out Opera 7.11 is more :)
:D
like 3.2 MB than 3.7 but oh well
Anyway.. Opera 6 used to have an IM client as
well!! think it was icq, never really used it..
but love the combination opera+M2 though..
never really liked the old mail client.
Anyway.. that's the first thing I thought when
I read the article.. that sounds like old Opera
*shakes fist* I wanted to say in opera 7.11 as ;)
well but with that darn slashdotting and everything
I can't..
But I'd like to point out I wouldn't like ie. mozilla browser :D Blah.
+ mozilla mail inseperatible.. that doesn't work well because
mozilla mail is a bit like outlook express.. i would never want something like that integrated with opera, bad idea.. but.. for those who haven't tried m2.. part of the reason it works
so well integrated is that it organizes and display information
in a completely different way than mozilla mail / OE etc.. plus it's incredibly light in comparison, and is more like "mail windows" than "mail client". If that made any sense
Well, I think that some things do work well together,
:)
if done correctly. Like Opera and M2. Now, M2 is the
coolest mail client I've ever used, but it wouldn't
have been so if it wasn't integrated with opera.
Some interesting bit of text on a site? I mark it and
send it in seconds to whomever I want to in the contact
list thanks to the integrated M2. Have some notes stored
in Opera Notes I want to send someone? Well, I can
quickly and directly do this thanks to M2. Want to just
check my mail very very quickly? Well, a M2 window
or 2 or 3 opens up instantly like all other windows inside
Opera..
An external mail client would be less integrated, and take
more time to load / "get ready". As it is, M2 is fully
integrated, lightning fast, and very very cool.. and comes
in a small 200 KB dll.. no thanks to external mail clients
for me at least
There is, logically enough, people actually pay money for :p
opera, you know.. they dont simply use it because its nonfree haha
why you should use opera and not firebird
-half the size, and quicker and slicker
-customizable smart & fast mouse gestures Firebird
plugins only can hope to match
-slicker tabs implementation with visual changer
and better keyboard operability
-thoughtful window management whether you browse
MDI, SDI, tabbed or a combination thereof
-superb sidebars that ought to make Firebird ashamed
-better, more extensive options for GUI customization,
and unlike Firebird it's of course fully drag-and-drop
-spatial navigation & excellent customizable keyboard
shortcuts for easy keyboard-only control & navigation
-more customizable for end-users out-of-box, and for
the more experienced users there are simple ini files
-status bar can auto-hide away from sight when not needed,
and as all bars in opera more customizable than those in FB
-customizable multiple adress bar and field web searching
-easy skinning with user customizable colour schemes
-more accessible zooming and unlike Firebird also works
on images and other elements
-contextual functionality like lookups in search engines &
dictionary, translation, paste & go, go to URL, and more
-Session management with crash recovery which can also be
used for multiple homepages
-notes functionality that is handy for a number of things
& integrated with mail client
-customizable cache handling
-innovative & unique light-weight mail client with quick-reply
-a little better download manager with quick-download function
-multiple user style sheets with good built-in accessibility
options, and uhm, commodore 64
-fast forward & rewind
-can display photo files on the Web in a slideshow
-quick-deletion of all sorts of private data
-supports w3c compliant web navigation bar functionality
-customizable auto-reload coupled with good reload options
-Great fullscreen mode, and also includes small-screen rendering
-offline, more accessible documentation, and not some hack from a third party site
-can turn images on and off on-fly through button or keyboard
-scroll bars can be turned on and off
-can show links in tooltips and toolbars, handy when status bar is on auto-hide
Otherwise it does what Firebird does.. it has good privacy options, good cookie and popup handling, a password manager, good standards support etc.. etc.. the only things I feel Firebird does better is type-ahead find (that opera lacks, although it does have an option for in-line find but it's not the same), and that you can schedule notifications for bookmarks.
Actually you only have to take a look at the menus of both programs.. Firebird's look deserted, and it looks much like a raped version of Mozilla if you ask me.. Mozilla has much better functionality and customizability than Firebird, but unfortunately, it's a complete pig to use.
you mean they keep copying from opera..
well, regardless, opera is still better
than all these aforementioned browsers!
No, you're wrong.. the war isn't over till :) Get that right!!
*Opera* is the winner
*shakes fist*
well.. the most thereve been on kazaa at one time is
probably close to 5 million. Usually, there are between
3.5 to 4.5 million online at the same time. i am a
european, and when I log in on the day, therere usually
around 3.5, but later in the evening/night the number
regularly rises to 4.5 (its when the US gets online)
Wow! Try clicking on the "Security features" :D There must be really high rates of :)
:D Pretty good :D Cool cool.
link on the pages for the 200- or 100-note.
Like, that's a whole lot of security features!
counterfeiting in Scandinavia!! Okay, just
joking around as I suppose that would not
be true with the fairly low crime rates
and everything.
Btw, for anyone wondering; I just checked
that a norwegian 200 krone note is worth
about 30 american dollar, and a 100 krone
note is, uhm, 15.. d'uh.
security for a 15 dollar note, and that
without making it all plastic!! Mother of
pearl effect.. LOL
I once tried to convert someone by this messy, :D, but :)
lengthy and biased comparison of opera 7
and firebird. Unfortunately, I failed
still.. Opera rules, and personally I would not
even consider using an apple before opera software
had a good opera browser on there.. which apparantely
they still don't? Sounds stupid, but it's true. OS X
sounds very tempting in some ways, but no way in hell
am i gonna even think about making a switch unless
opera's on.. and the GOOD opera..
Just trying to make the point that for many, the browser
has become more important than the OS itself..
Documentation (Opera 2 - Firebird 1):
Firebird's documentation is good, but getting there is
confusing; the only place help takes you to is the release
notes, and from there you have to browse around till you
find the link for a third party site documentation.
Not good enough. Opera has good, accecible documentation,
and it is also off line: you can pick contents, keyboard
and mouse help directly from menu.
URL accecibility (Opera 2 - Firebird 0):
I don't neccesarily like to have an adress bar up as that
wastes my space at low resolutions. In opera, pressing
f2 brings up a dialog box with dropdown history and
autocomplete. In Firebird, I cannot find anything similar.
A real shame if you ask me, and even IE can do this.
Mozilla has this, though.
GUI customizability (Opera 2 - Firebird 1)
Opera's GUI is very configurable, and a joy at that too.
You can zoom the big set of buttons, customize the text
position, add and remove search fields as well as status
bar fields and a field for clock and zoom. And unlike
Firebird, you can do drag and drop all these elements,
unless you choose to lock them down. Opera also has a
navigation bar, and all bars can be placed in different
places. Not even a contest actually.
Skin (Opera 2 - Firebird 1)
It is more of a hassle to both download and change skins
in Firebird. Also, Opera has the very cool feauture that
you can change the colour scheme of any skin, as well as
turn special effects on and of.
Tab (Opera 2 - Firebird 1)
The tab interface in Opera is simply better. Besides just
looking better, they have better mouse and keyboard
accecibility, and a visual changer as well. Also, it is quite
limiting that in Firebird you cannot choose to open a tab in
foreground. Firebird's reload tab options are a little more
accecible than opera's though, but opera on the other hand
has a handy close all but active tab function.
Status bar (Opera 2 - Firebird 0)
Love this one. Opera's only shows up when a page is loading,
as under normal circumstances, that's the only time you'd need
the status bar! So, this saves space, but if you don't like it's
customizable. Also, opera's can be placed both at top and bottom, and shows lots more information than firebird's. Oh, and many use the status bar for checking out where a link points to and stuff: but in Opera, you can have this information show up in tooltips, so as I said I really love Opera on this one.
Mouse gestures (Opera 2 - Firebird 0)
Well, firebird don't have them by default. Opera's are almost perfect and even customizable. The downloadable gesture plugins for Firebird don't quite do it for me either.
Update notification (Opera 0 - Firebird 2)
Firebird has customizable notification of site updates. Opera has no such functionality.
Context functionality (Opera 2 - Firebird 1)
In Opera, mark something, and by right-clicking it you can search it through a search engine of choice, translate it, or look it up in an encyclopedia or a dictionary. Instead of pasting a link and then pressing enter or clicking go, you can just choose paste and go in the context menu. Double clicking a word also brings up the context menu for easier access. Otherwise the context menu's in Opera are much more filled with options, and at least
but opera has spatial navigation.. just hold in shift and press the arrow keys to navigate through the links.. easy.
I agree.. opera rocks :) Mm what was the question again? :)
Anyway.. I love opera.. and the whole philoshophy behind
opera is something you just have to dig in this age of
stupid and bloated software. Opera is light, clever, functional
and oooh so darn sexy. Well yes I'm a zealot. BUT.. if something happened to opera one day.. well.. THEN it would be good to have the moz-thing as a backup
The reason is that opera is a better browser :) :) We don't turn computers into politics
Or why else do you think we would actually PAY for
a browser?
too much, we just want to use the best. And at the
moment that is Opera. IMHO of course. And yes, i try
each new version of pheonix.. not good enough.
You could do something similar with inline find, or
you could use spatial navigation (shift+arrow key to
navigate through links).
Opera 4ever.
Each time there's a new firebird/pheonix version, I try it out. Each time I go back to good old opera, now up at 7.11 and as good as ever. Sure, I can do most of the stuff I do with opera with firebird too, but opera does all the small things right that firebird often doesn't manage just quite right, IMO, and has lots more polish if you ask me.
I've played it, and playing it right now in fact.. :)
:) Hope to see you both do well :)
My 3-3-3-1 starting to perform very nicely with
aston villa, 2nd on table at the moment, trying
to challenge the gunners..
Btw, what a brilliant game the one between
arsenal and leeds today was.. congratulations
with winning the title back manu, and also
thanks to arsenal for making the year so
entertaining
in champion's league next time
Blah.. nokia phones are by far the most popular phones here in scandinavia, and well, I'm tired of both the brand and their design. And frankly, some of the nokia designs are simply lame. I prefer clean and simple, and on that regard both siemens and sonyericsson are better than nokia. My opinion anyway.. and I think the p800 looks very cool. Oh, and being Norwegian, jeg hadde også likt å eie en svensk telefon =) For english speakers, if you really try hard you should be able to understand that.
Not only do you get to own a seriously sexy and functional "phone", you also get to be the envy of both jock and nerd. Oh, and it also runs one of the coolest browsers out there, Opera!!
I like it because it's a great storytelling medium. As you cannot rely too much on motion as in live action, you have
to compensate for that by putting more work into making
more interesting characters and story. Also, as the world
is truly yours to shape in whatever form you wish in
animation, it's often completely "out of this world".. that
has its appeal, considering such entertainment is supposed
to be escapist fantasies.
Other factors.. the japanese culture is cool.. it's familiar in some ways because of the influence from the west, but yet it's also very distinguished like an unique mixture of old and new. Some like the language too.
Oh, one more thing.. for many it also holds "art potential", whether we're talking simple or advanced animation design.. or as I like to say.. I could take professional grade camera equipment and film a scene just the way michael mann or whatever did.. but i cannot even draw a minute's worth of simple cartoons that DON'T look like complete sh**.