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Cowboy Bebop Movie comes to the States

birdman666 writes "According to the movie site the movie of the popular anime Cowboy Bebop has finally been set to release in the states in a handful of cities including LA, NY, SF, Seattle and others on April 4. It features all the same voice actors as the Cartoon Network series and is big news for all those Bebop fans out there. As a note the Japanese title of the film was 'Cowboy Bebop: Knockin On Heaven's Door', but has been changed simply to 'Cowboy Bebop: The Movie' for the states." We had a note about the American premiere last summer, but now it's finally open for general admission.

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  1. Heh by Entropy248 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought that said CowboyNeil movie and I got all excited... I love p0rn so much!

    1. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh come on with these "I thought it said" or "did anyone else read ... or is it just me" try reading or just go back to school ya losers.

    2. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i have to admit i love seeing the /. anime icon. that sasami-like character is sooooooo kawaii!!!

  2. Hmmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad it is finally getting here. It is a great series, and the movie is damn good. Too bad I already got the movie on fan-sub as a gift, otherwise i'd get it when it came out on dvd...

    1. Re:Hmmm. by carpe_noctem · · Score: 1

      Too bad I already got the movie on fan-sub as a gift, otherwise i'd get it when it came out on dvd

      Ahh, what better present than pirated movies. It's the gift that keeps on giving (or should that be taking)...

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    2. Re:Hmmm. by ThundaGaiden · · Score: 1

      I'm am definatly glad that anime in general is
      getting more mainline exposure , especially with
      the animatrix and now Cowboy bebop.

      It's such a relief for me watching manga , as they
      are more likely to (not always) go in a complete
      different direction than movies these days which
      always follow the same plot lines or have one
      special 'twist' at the end.

      Now I just need to get them to Sieki No Senki so
      I can finally finish watching the series...

  3. Title Changes by svvampy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why do the yanks always seem to want to change the titles of foreign movies?

    Mad Max is soooo much better than road weanie and what was the deal with the "Sorceror's Stone"?

    Although I had heard it said that the Americans don't understand/acknowledge philosophy so that is why the change was necessary

    1. Re:Title Changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Someone should change your post rating to (Score:-1 Uneducated).

    2. Re:Title Changes by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      Eh... this isn't a "yank" movie is it? Are you certain yanks are responsible for the change?

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    3. Re:Title Changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it might interest you but what you heard is true. Americans include a lot of people, such as Canadians, Mexicans, and South Americans (they're all Americans per se) though I hear Canadians are more open minded than the citizens of our good ole US of A (I haven't verified this yet since I've not been to Canada yet) but I do know most people in the USA are VERY closed minded and could not understand another culture without a LOT of effort (but quite a few think "its cool and they serve some weird foods").

      On the upside, I know that quite a few slashdotters are here in the USA (though I'm not sure what that means per se).

      Well either way... I can't wait till they actually SHOW Samurai Deeper Kyo... since the corporate bastards (aka the ruling class of our dear USA) licensed it the moment it finished its run in Japan (I still think the last 7 episodes opened up a can of worms that was finished far too quickly for my satisfaction).

      Anyone for Initial D?!?

      -Anon.at.coward.com

    4. Re:Title Changes by Student_Tech · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Remember the bit about what Cartoon Network had to deal with for Cowboy Bebop (it was either that or Outlaw Star) when they missed a Star of David on a slot machine in one episode, they had parents threating to sue. (/. article mentioning that editing here). I think it is the general, oh its a cartoon its good/ok for kids idea.
      But yeah, if "Knocking on Heaven's Gate" had been something different it might have been left alone.

    5. Re:Title Changes by Chemical · · Score: 3, Interesting
      From what I understand the change was due to legal issues regarding the "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" subtitle. Aparently Bob Dylan didn't like one of his song names being used in an anime title. And of course he owns that phrase, so no one else may use it without his express written consent (implied oral consent isn't good enough).

      Of course this is second hand info. Don't know if it's really true.

    6. Re:Title Changes by Microlith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They changed it out of fear of being sued by whomever owns the copyright to the song "Knocking on Heaven's Door"

      Sorry if I can't say who does, as while I can think of the song I can't think of the artist.

      (Hell the original title was which comes across as just "Heaven's Door" but the "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" was an official subtitle).

    7. Re:Title Changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple minds need simple words. Futhermore, big bullies have simple minds, preferring action over other means. Take Bush for example, a perfect example of a Yank.

    8. Re:Title Changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha, if THAT is true, then some idiot here at the good ole MPAA offices didn't WATCH any episodes of Elven Bride...

      Hehe that is a "cartoon" and it "probably" would be good for the kids...

      IMAGINE:

      "mommie... I didn't know my lvl 3 fighter could do THAT to a harpy girl!!"

      "oh my GOD john... our kid is watching PORN!! oh my god... lawsuit... oh my god... MPAA... oh my god... its on adult swim!! I must be a moron to think it was for 10 year olds... but I'll sue anyways!"

      Can you imagine that? if you can't then please remmeber a $2,000,000.00 USD lawsuit for a spilled cup of mac donalds coffee and a $3,400,000.00 USD lawsuit for some moron finding a peanut in his M&M's peanuts and breaking his tooth... if those can happen, why not some idiot sueing over an adult swim flick.

      I wonder why they didn't nail Futurama yet.

      -Anon.at.coward.com

    9. Re:Title Changes by Microlith · · Score: 1, Informative

      Hey Malda!

      Are you just being an ass now and having the /. engine strip out all non-english text?

      I wrote "tengoku no tobira" using mozilla in the previous post. It should have come out as standard HTML entities, but lo-and-behold, they're GONE?

      The following should be a line of kanji: that reads "otanjoubi ha rainen"

      If that's gone, then taco needs to fix /.

    10. Re:Title Changes by GrimSean · · Score: 5, Informative
      Why do the yanks always seem to want to change the titles of foreign movies?

      Mad Max is soooo much better than road weanie and what was the deal with the "Sorceror's Stone"?

      I believe that they went with Cowboy Bebop: The Movie rather than Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' on Heaven's Door so as to avoid any legal issues with Bob Dylan due to his famous song Knockin' on Heaven's Door.

      As to the Sorceror's Stone, that was done because the American publisher felt that it sounded more "Magic-like" than Philosopher's Stone.

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    11. Re:Title Changes by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Why do the yanks always seem to want to change the titles of foreign movies? "

      Uh, we didn't have a say in it. Why don't you talk to the Japanese Movie Studio that's prepping it for release?

      I mean seriously, did you think we took a vote on it or something? Maybe an American Idol style voting system? It's somebody's perception of us 'yanks', not our preference.

    12. Re:Title Changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Titles CAN NOT be copywrited!!!!

    13. Re:Title Changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Philosophy is terrorism. Let those evil Muslims do stuff in the name of their god or whatever. We just drop bombs.

    14. Re:Title Changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't speak for the other nonsense, but I'm pretty sure Philosopher's Stone was changed to Sorcerer's Stone to appease fundamentalists. The Philisopher's Stone (as far as I understand) is an artifact often mentioned in various occultic writings (I believe it enhances magic powers or something), and as such would likely draw a lot of criticism from the fundamentalists that populate some areas of the US. Sorcerer's Stone, while still unacceptable to some, was at least seen as something made up for kids, rather than having been drawn from classical occultic writings.

    15. Re:Title Changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Pope Must Diet!

    16. Re:Title Changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't that be way out of context? It is a cartoon, not a song, and only an idiot would associate the two seriously.

    17. Re:Title Changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the hell cares? It's just some idiotic cartoon. Get a life people. (and learn to spell AC.)

    18. Re:Title Changes by MisterEGecko · · Score: 1

      The Harry Potter movie & book were changed from "The Philosopher's Stone" to "The Sorcerer's Stone" because publishing execs thought that American kids are to fat, stupid, and apathetic to understand the allusion to the history of alchemy in the Philosopher's Stone... None of the young kids I know knew what it was, except for my British prof's kid. Yet that could be a factor of his being the son of a professor... Take your pick.

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    19. Re:Title Changes by fenix+down · · Score: 1

      Well, technically, it's probably closer to 30% of the country voted for somebody other than Bush. Which puts Bush's supporters at maybe 25%. Clearly, the majority here is the lazy bastards, or, charitably, those of us that felt the lot were a bunch of assclowns. Either way, over 70% of the country didn't vote for Bush. Mmmm. Delicious, delicious popular mandate.

    20. Re:Title Changes by eXtro · · Score: 1

      If slashdot rips out non-english text wouldn't that rip out about 75% of any post CmdrTaco makes?

    21. Re:Title Changes by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 1

      The philosopher's stone can turn base metals into gold, or 'green' as in "I have created a nugget of purest green!".

      On the whole I think that 'philosopher' sounds less likely to enrage fundamentalists than 'sorcerer'. I mean 'sorcerer' sounds a lot more dodgy than 'wizard'.

      Maybe they should have called it 'Harry Potter and the Stone of the Alternative but Acceptable Religion'.

      graspee

    22. Re:Title Changes by Photon+Ghoul · · Score: 1

      Way off-topic....

      I only slightly know what I'm talking about here but.... the "Philosopher's Stone" is indeed something from alchemical lore. On the surface the Stone was the element the alchemists were looking for that would turn metals into gold. Underlying this is the basic philosophy that there is one 'thing' to discover which would unlock the secret to 'everything'. I'm not sure if alchemists were searching for that One True Thing, but modern-day occultists have used it to express some mystical self-discovering journey or something.

      This would definitely rile any fundamentalists that understood, even just a little bit, what this might imply. Anything that might hint that humanity doesn't need their old god and is used as the basis for a movie targeted at children would see protests, boycotts, etc. It's not surprising that movie execs opted to change it. That's assuming they changed it for that reason - could just be that Sorcerer sounds much cooler than Philosopher.

    23. Re:Title Changes by Gropo · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Why do the yanks always seem to want to change the titles of foreign movies?
      That's rich... Just last night I was flipping through the Spanish channels in the UHF range and caught a spot for an upcoming airing of The Frisco Kid... What had they renamed it?

      El Rabino y el Pistolero!!!
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    24. Re:Title Changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you so jealous of us Americans?

    25. Re:Title Changes by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      Yeah - here in Canada Harry Potter was imported as "the Philosopher's Stone" - we don't like movie companies insulting our intelligence.

    26. Re:Title Changes by sydlexic · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      why are people so dense that they can't get a joke? that was a simpsons reference. usually the slashdot crowd picks up on that right away. I guess people are just taken up with too much jingo fever to see straight.

      and I *am* an american. if you think people are jealous of america because of all of our "freedom", you've been smoking too much right-wing propaganda. they resent us for being a bunch swaggering of bung-hole bullies, spreading our own brand of fundamentalist christianity, having a double-standard with democracies (supporting dictators) and failing to keep basic promises.

    27. Re:Title Changes by Mr.+No+Skills · · Score: 1

      Big deal. Presidents in the US never get a majority of the vote if you're going to count the no shows who don't care or don't want any of them.

      If you like your leaders to get 100% of the vote Iraq seems to accomplish this.

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    28. Re:Title Changes by kirkjobsluder · · Score: 1

      Does it matter when she spends an entire page of expository dialog explaining what the stone is?

    29. Re:Title Changes by Myrke · · Score: 1

      And to think we could've had Axl Rose bringing us in hard rock style... the headbanging anime fans would've been thrilled. Ah well...

    30. Re:Title Changes by Ninja+Master+Gara · · Score: 1
      Blame marketing.

      Marketing says: "Philosopher's Stone means nothing to target audience, call it "SORCERERS Stone", that makes it magic."

      or

      ""Leon: The Professional" is too much for target audience to read, call it "The Professional". Oh and cut out all that inuendo, we'll get sued."

      For these and other opinions some guy is paid 6 figures.

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    31. Re:Title Changes by Zach+Fine · · Score: 1

      Knowledge of the vagaries of alchemy is not the benchmark by which reasonable people judge the intellectual capacity of kids. Maybe publishing execs thought that American kids were too smart to waste their time memorizing allusions to medieval science. Not that any knowledge is a bad thing, but is there a point to looking down on anyone for ignorance what is to them a useless bit of trivia.

      My childrens' book, George Costanza's Yo No Bi Project hasn't been selling all that well in Antarctica. Obviously those damn Antarcticans are just too stupid, lazy, and drunk to ever understand my brilliant allusion to concepts concerning Japanese art. Oh well, at least the kids in [name of country] can recite the names of all the Roman Emperors in order. Priorities priorities.

    32. Re:Title Changes by sparrow_hawk · · Score: 1

      They don't *currently*, but they did eighty years ago. The binding on my history book is currently being repaired or I could give you exact figures, but IIRC something like 80% of eligible voters cast their ballots in the Teens and Twenties. *That*, my friends, is a Mandate. What our current President has (and what pretty much every president since FDR has had) is a kind-of sort-of vote of confidence from the people he pays the most. [cynicism=off]

  4. The only thing better than anime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is a crazy 70 year old Japanese professor that only wears Anime T-shirts.

    1. Re:The only thing better than anime by Intocabile · · Score: 1

      That guy rules, if only my EE profs were as cool.

  5. butterflys by OwlofCreamCheese · · Score: 3, Funny

    I see the butterflys....

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  6. Observation by Copperhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    I went to the premire in New York last summer, and I was looking forward to having a good time with all the other cool American Anime fans.

    Who invited all the geeks?

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    1. Re:Observation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the hell cares? It's just some retarded cartoon. Get a life, and learn to spell please.

  7. Great news if you live in 5% of America... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sucks. While I'm an ENORMOUS Cowboy Bebop fan, I can't say I'm happy about this. I've been anxiously awaiting the movie for months on end, but it's only going to be available in major cities that gets to see anything they want, I.E NY and Cali. While that's great news if you live in California or New York, it sucks if you live anywhere else. Now I realize it's not practical to put a movie like Cowboy Bebop on the national market in every theatre. I doubt there would be a big turnout in Butt*uck, S. Dakota for it, but what about other major cities, like Atlanta or Charlotte?

    I wouldn't be upset normally, but I have a feeling that this theatrical release is big enough to warrant putting the DVD out 6 months after the release.

    1. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF?! Whatta you know bout us anyways?!! Us Buttfuckians think anime kicks ass!! Cowboy Bebop has that half nekkid chick!! She soooo hot!!

    2. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful
      but what about other major cities, like Atlanta or Charlotte? I'm sorry to have to break it too you, but if you don't live in one of the cities this is being released in, you don't live in a major city. You live in fly-over land. It takes more than having an NBA franchise (for a brief while, in Charlotte's case) to be a major city.

      I've lived in the Minneapolis area almost my entire life, and while I love it here, if there's one thing I can't stand it's the huge inferiority complex that some Twin City people seem to have about wanting to be considered an important city. Yes, we have an orchestra that's almost as good as Philly's. Yes, the U of M is has a great medical program. Sure, we have four major league sports teams (for now). Yea, we have the tallest tower between Chicago and California. Blah blah blah. We are not all that important. Half the kids in NYC schools probably can't find us on a map. Foreign visitors think we are a suburb of Los Angelis or something. Get over it already.

      There's nothing wrong with simply being from a nice city with only a few million people in it. Are you listening, Denver?

      As to anybody else whining about the very limited release of the Cowboy Bebop movie. Hey, small movies always start with a limited release. If you live in any city big enough to have an "arthouse" movie theater or two, it will probably come to you within a couple months. Chill.

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    3. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by Tom+Dunne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Riiiight. So Portland, Oregon is a major city? 28th largest in the country. St. Louis is a major city? 49th largest. On the other hand, Sony couldn't manage a showing for the 45 MILLION PEOPLE who live in Ohio, Pennsylvania or Florida. Cleveland, Philly, Miami... totally flyover land, neither compares to a metropolis on the scale of motherfscking Portland, Oregon!

      On the other hand, Sony did manage to get theaters in SF, SJ and Berkeley, all of which are less than 50 miles apart. In short, Sony have no idea what in the hell they're doing with this release distribution.

    4. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      have you ever been to berkley? in the last 15 years? there's an enormous population of asians in the bay area, that's where alot of taiwanese people end up settling down, not the rest of the US, although their numbers are growing elsewhere nowadays, especially just north of dallas.

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    5. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Sony knows *exactly* what they're doing. If you think the same people who are walking out of DareDevil are going to come back and buy tickets for the Cowboy Bebop the next week you're kidding yourself. I've been to several of those cities and talked with enough film studies Prof's to know that a lot of the cities on that list have a good arthouse theater 'culture', because realistically that's the only place they'll probably make a buck. If you've got the anime-nerd-arthousefukn culture thing hustling and bustling in your city and Sony forgot about you guys... well this even as sure a bet as other indie films. They don't want to blow their load releasing to every city and their cousin because they don't want to upset some anime nerds. Get over it.

      Posted anonymously sinceu this ended up a flame.

    6. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      isn't minneapolis in minnisota? i guess i'd have an inferiority complex if college students didn't know where my semi-large city was, either. i'm guessing minnisota is near the great lakes. i grew up in gig harbor, personally. not too many have heard of it, but it's a nice place in washington state.

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    7. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by the+uNF+cola · · Score: 1

      Half the kids in NYC schools probably can't find us on a map. I think the same can be said about NY kids trying to find NY. [/joke]

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    8. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by diablobynight · · Score: 1

      That's not fair to say, they would be able to find it, if they could see past Giuliani's big head. You know there making a tv movie about him? Why on earth would they do that, it's not like he put the fires out.

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    9. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by diablobynight · · Score: 1

      I love how everyone thinks that L.A. and New York are the only major cities. First of all, what's so great about L.A., nasty smog, hotter than hell and filled with hippies. And New York, well, it's not as pretty as it used to be, to say the least. But what about Detroit? Is that a fly over city, have you driven a car lately, you don't think that Atlanta is a major city, Their are more corporate headquarters in these flyover cities than you'll ever imagine. The hell with LA, it's a breeding zone for gangland violence, I hope it falls into the sea, and as for New York, it's shitty what happened to New Yorkers, but I hated the city before and I am not changing my opinion out of pitty. I drive a sports car, that sucks in New York, spend all day stuck in traffic, while here in Detroit, I get around at about 90mph

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    10. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by Golias · · Score: 1
      I love how everyone thinks that L.A. and New York are the only major cities.

      Mexico City has a polulation of that dwarfs most US states. London, Paris, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Mexico City, Rome, Cairo... these, like NY and LA, are major cities.

      Detroit and Atlanta are not major cities, regardless of where Ted Turner and Ford Motor Company choose to be located. They are small cities, made up of only a few million people, and of little note to anybody who doesn't live in either Michigan or Georgia.

      That doesn't make them less nice places to live. If fact, I prefer not to live in a major city. I would hate to live in any of the places I just cited as examples.

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    11. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by Ghostx13 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Hate to tell you, but Atlanta is a major US city. It has one of the fastest growing populations of any US city, hosted the 1996 Olympic Games, and is home to busiest airport in the WORLD, Hartsfield International.

    12. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by diablobynight · · Score: 1

      http://www.mtc.ca.gov/datamart/forecast/ao/tablea4 .htm Please go there and please shut up. Detroit and Atlanta combined may only have 1/2th the population of LA, but I wonder what percentage of those two tons can more than afford to head out and see anime movies. Do you think the wood, or the other gang filled areas are going to be running to the movies. Plust LA jacks up it's population by annexing other towns into LA. When you look at the economic standing of Atlanta compared to LA you'll notice a trend, there are a few rich in LA, but when you consider their unemployment rate compared to Atlanta you can see that a good percentage of their population can't afford movies. or much other than food for that matter. These are not fly over cities. I measure a city by more than it's population. I measure it by the size of it's buildings, the economic wealth of the people in it. who cares if you have 8 million poor beggars in a city, if you could go to a city like boston with 1 million well off college kids. THis is where I would put these movies. These cities that are surrounded by immense quanitites of colleges. like Boston that has more colleges in its metropolitan area than any other city. COllege kids watch anime, not whinos

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    13. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by Golias · · Score: 2, Funny
      You are exactly the sort of person I was ranting about. People who can't just be happy living in their relatively insignifigant (on a global scale) city which has a few interesting things to be proud of, but that's all.

      Atlanta is the biggest city in a small, jerkwater state, yes. That does not make it a Major City. I don't care if they hosted the Olympics. So did Lake Placid.

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    14. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by Golias · · Score: 1
      Your link only served to strengthen the case that NY and LA are the only major cities. Each has a population of over 14 million. Chicago is the next closes with 8, and most of the other cities who like to think of themselves as "major" metropolitan sites have about 2-4. Pretty much what I thought.

      Milwaukee, Providence, and Columbus are exactly what New Yorkers are talking about when they use the expression "fly-over land." If you live in Detroit, you live in a small-ish city. Get over it already.

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    15. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 1

      It sucks to be you, A.C.!

      I live in Boston. I'll ride the subway for maybe 20 minutes on April 4th, get off in Cambridge and walk a few minutes to the theater where I'll enjoy Cowboy Bebop, The Movie.

      Yes! Boston/Cambridge is a "Major City"! I might weep openly with joy and pride at this signal confirmation of my status as a resident of a "Major City" as decided by Sony!

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    16. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by diablobynight · · Score: 1

      I like how you ignored what I said about wealth, I wonder how many people in LA are under the poverty level compared to Atlanta or Boston. Oh and detroit would be bigger if we anexed in a bunch of surrounding towns, like LA did. We could annex in Grosse Pointe and make our economic power increase by ten fold.

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    17. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > St. Louis is a major city? 49th largest.

      As someone that used to work for a fast food chain and later a movie theater chain to help decide where to look for new franchisees, city population isn't that important. It's the population you think you can draw customers from. You'll quickly find that the best choise of where to offer a particular product doesn't have anything to do with the population. For example, our best performing restaurant (scaled according to real estate costs and labor costs) were in Spartanburg, SC and Madison, WI. Spartanburg is a city of only 40,000! Our restaurants in Los Angeles and Chicago did less business (after subtracting sky-high real estate costs). The reason it did so well was lack of competition in the area, and the fact that the population is willing to drive far to eat. The county it was in and the neighbooring county less than five miles away had almost 750,000 people in them. If we had blindly looked at the population of the cities, we would never had that success. On the other hand, our restaurants in Miami and Orlando did relatively poorly. There's so much else to do for entertainment that it's hard to compete. Since you mentioned Philly, it's a nightmare for entertainment businesses. Several times we tried to come-up with a location to put a theater. There isn't a good central location, and unlike Atlanta where people will drive to the other side of the city just to get ice cream, people there just don't drive through the city except for work. I don't think there's a theater in a location that can fully take advantage of the large metro population. Anyway, my rambling is a lame attempt to show market potential population.

      > SF, SJ and Berkeley, all of which are less than 50 miles apart

      Three years ago, I went to all of the newer theaters within 5 miles of Highway 101 between SF and SJ and all that were on El Camino Real. (aside: I saw Battlefield Earth seven times ... oh the horror) I saw an amazing mix of nationalities and races. That entire area should have excellent potential for this type of entertainment.

      > Sony have no idea...

      The theaters decided whether or not to show the movie. The theaters (should) know their own market. Don't blame Sony if a theater knows they couldn't sell enough tickets to make it worthwhile.

    18. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by demosthenes · · Score: 1

      Mexico City has a polulation of that dwarfs most US states. London, Paris, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Mexico City, Rome, Cairo... these, like NY and LA, are major cities.

      Detriot and Atlanta are not major cities, regardless of where Ted Turner and Ford Motor Company choose to be located. They are small cities, made up of only a few million people, and of little note to anybody who doesn't live in either Michigan or Georgia.


      Detriot: 5.8 million
      Atlanta: 4.5 million
      Rome: 3.3 million
      (according to citypopulation.de)

      Are you saying Rome is not a major city now? Or for that matter Berlin (4.2 million), Sydney (4.1 million), Amsterdam (2.1 million), are these now "of little note to anybody"?

    19. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...you made me think of 2 things:

      1. It would be depressing to have it show in my city, and I'd be one of a handful of people that showed up to see it. More empty seats would be depressing, for this movie. On second thought, it might GET me in the mood for THIS movie ;-)

      2. I gotta get the hell out of Miami...

    20. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by Golias · · Score: 1
      We could annex in Grosse Pointe and make our economic power increase by ten fold.

      Like LA could do with Hollywood, you mean?

      Detroit is a small city. Slightly more important than Omaha, perhaps slightly less than Philly. Sorry you had to hear it from me, but it's the truth.

      Oh yea, and the Lions suck.

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    21. Re:Great news if you live in 5% of America... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The city of Detroit has less than 1 million residents. The other 5 million live in the suburbs.

  8. An honest question by dj_whitebread · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I know this is going to get marked flamebait, but I have to ask...

    What is it that people see in anime? I am actually curious. I have watched several different things, and I have thouroughly enjoyed many, but I have never understood the obsession.

    So, what are the qualities that anime fans think raise it up as a great thing?

    1. Re:An honest question by DiracFeynman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Like with everything else, 90% of anime is horrible.

    2. Re:An honest question by Thomas+M+Hughes · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So, what are the qualities that anime fans think raise it up as a great thing?
      Nothing at all. It is just another of many mediums from which you can tell a story, just like a novel, the theatre, or live action films. Each has their own benefits and weaknesses.

      The strength of anime is that it allows the creative force complete control over the visual environment, without concern for if its possible to do in terms of special effects or in terms of real life freedom. Thus, the storyteller gets the ultimate freedom to express his or her ideas. That is what makes Anime unique in contrast to other mediums.

      But, its important to remember that it is still a medium, just like other mediums. As such it has its limitations.
    3. Re:An honest question by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Entertainment?

      The same thing you see in every other media.

      Anime is just a medium, like TV or commercials or infomercials or live action movies or print or comic.

      Each medium has their own history and culture, so it would stand to reason that anime too has its own subculture. It is this subculture that most fans are attracted to, the expectations built up from watching previous anime is carried over when watching new anime.

      Same as any other genre: American music, Marvel comics, Car commercials.

      And of course, anime itself can be divided into smaller genres, just like American Music, Marvel Comics, or Car commercials.

    4. Re:An honest question by Uller-RM · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oh, it's not all anime. A great deal of it sucks ass (ex: DBZ, Hamtaro, Pokemon, etc.) -- and if you think that's true in the US, you should see all the loads of total crap that's released in Japan and never makes it here because the sheer stench of it tips off the customs officials.

      What makes good anime? Consistent, three-dimensional -- as in deep, not as in their look -- characters with back stories and patterns that viewers can relate and get attached to. A consistent art style. (Seizure robots do not apply.) Compelling writing, with humor where appropriate -- whether that's slapstick humor or the more darker variety. Believable lines, and convincing voice actors. In other words, the exact same things that make good film.

      Cowboy Bebop is considered one of the heights of anime, for all of the above. Other good examples of anime (IMO) would be Trigun, Rah'Xephon, Shinseiki (Neon Genesis) Evangelion, and the recent Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. If you're the type that likes relationship dramas, Love Hina is pretty well known and liked. There's shows that run the line between relationships and action, like Martian Successor Nadesico. There's also the full-length movie variety of anime, of which the most famous are Akira and Ghost in the Shell.

      *shrug* There's good and bad anime, just like there's good and bad films and good and bad TV -- favorites will vary with a person's taste, but there are consistent things you can critique on.

    5. Re:An honest question by Kirsha · · Score: 1

      In one phrase:

      "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

    6. Re:An honest question by a8f11t18 · · Score: 1

      I like it because it's a great storytelling medium. As you cannot rely too much on motion as in live action, you have
      to compensate for that by putting more work into making
      more interesting characters and story. Also, as the world
      is truly yours to shape in whatever form you wish in
      animation, it's often completely "out of this world".. that
      has its appeal, considering such entertainment is supposed
      to be escapist fantasies.

      Other factors.. the japanese culture is cool.. it's familiar in some ways because of the influence from the west, but yet it's also very distinguished like an unique mixture of old and new. Some like the language too.

      Oh, one more thing.. for many it also holds "art potential", whether we're talking simple or advanced animation design.. or as I like to say.. I could take professional grade camera equipment and film a scene just the way michael mann or whatever did.. but i cannot even draw a minute's worth of simple cartoons that DON'T look like complete sh**.

    7. Re:An honest question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      anime is hard to be obsessed by, that's for sure (because so much of it is, well, crap really)

      that said, cowboy bebop, akira and ghost in the shell are all mega ace

      check 'em out. good stuff.

    8. Re:An honest question by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      "What is it that people see in anime? "

      In this case, it's that Cowboy Bebop is a damn good show. It's earned its rep without relying too heavily on being anime.

      As for the attraction to it, I honestly can't say for sure. I do know that it's very imaginative visually and very dramatic, unlike American cartoons which are usually too cutesy.

      To be fair, though, there's lots of anime that sucks. On the flip side, though, at least there's the visual interest to it. Ghost in a Shell was BORING but it had some damn cool things to look at.

      I guess you could say it's thee sci-fi version of Britney Spheres.

    9. Re:An honest question by Syncdata · · Score: 1

      Anime, on the whole has one major plus for me, which is not seen in American Cartooning. A concentration on what makes cartoons visually interesting, as opposed to attempting to make a cartoon similar to live action.
      Why bother animating an entire scene poorly all around, when you can have aspects in a scene the eye is naturally drawn to animated well?
      Putting out a cartoon takes a lot of time, and rather than spending your resources equally across the entire length of your show, why not concentrate them where they can be put to the best use? Animation has come a long way, but lip synching is still terrible, so why not spend less time on the close up, and spend more on the wide shot action scene? This is what anime does well, which US cartoons do not.
      If you want to see what I mean, check out Cowboy bebob episode 1, and witness one of the greatest hand to hand fighting moments in any cartoon

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    10. Re:An honest question by JohnFluxx · · Score: 1

      Personally I like it because the _story_ in general is a hell of a lot better than hollywood crap.

      I go and watch hollywood films once a week at the cinema, and love the action etc. But sometimes you need to watch something with a bit more bite.
      For that there is anime.

      Of course, you get the occasional good holywood film, and the 'bad' anime. (good and bad defined in as above)

    11. Re:An honest question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Two words: tentacle porn!

    12. Re:An honest question by Bodhidharma · · Score: 1
      To be fair, though, there's lots of anime that sucks. On the flip side, though, at least there's the visual interest to it. Ghost in a Shell was BORING but it had some damn cool things to look at.
      I agree there's a whole spectrum of quality in the genre. However, I think calling Ghost in the Shell boring is unfair. Admittedly it was slower paced than a lot of anime. It did explore some interesting ideas and had pretty well developed characters. The action scenes, though spaced apart, were good.

      Maybe it's a matter of taste. I thought X was appropriately named because it was anime "porn". There was a ton of action but it didn't really make much sense.

      Just so I don't get modded down for going too far off topic, Cowboy Bebop rules! :)
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    13. Re:An honest question by Golias · · Score: 1
      The strength of anime is that it allows the creative force complete control over the visual environment, without concern for if its possible to do in terms of special effects or in terms of real life freedom. Thus, the storyteller gets the ultimate freedom to express his or her ideas. That is what makes Anime unique in contrast to other mediums.

      Actually, that's not completely true. If you watch the credits of any good anime, it's pretty easy to see that it actually takes a much bigger crew to do a cartoon well than to shoot with film. You don't even save much on cast, because you still need to hire voice actors.

      What makes anime a (slightly) more "free" medium is that it is quite a bit cheaper, which allows producers to take bigger chances on rolling with a creative person's vision. The idea that a single Manga artist ever really has complete control of their vision during the production of something like Cowboy Bebop is a bit of a myth, though. Compromises were made, even if you were never told about them in a DVD commentary track the way you are with a lot of Hollywood films these days.

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    14. Re:An honest question by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So, what are the qualities that anime fans think raise it up as a great thing?

      Japan in general seems to have a greater tolerance for creativity and continuity in sci-fi than most of the English speaking public. It's nice being able to watch a series I like with no fears that it'll be canceled for a zaney reality show because too many of the viewers missed having the big red reset button pushed after each episode. I also like animated sci-fi in general more than live action, if the latter is going to resort to nose putty aliens. For some reason an animated alien dosn't jar my suspension of disbelief as much as a cheap forehead alien of the night.

      That said, I also should say that I don't like the idea of generalising to such a high degree. I own quite a few anime series, but I don't consider myself an "anime fan" any more than I consider myself a "American TV fan". Both catagories are so broad as to make any statement like that pretty much meaningless. I'm a fan of science fiction stories which have interesting characters and a progressive storyline, and I really don't much care what video medium or country delivers them to me.

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    15. Re:An honest question by Student_Tech · · Score: 1

      I wanna watch a cartoon that is aimed at a more mature (high school+) audience. Most US cartoons I can think of don't fall into that catogory. Simpsons, Futurama are two I like to watch as well as Daria, oh and South Park (I think that is still considered animated). Beyond that there isn't much I enjoy that is recent (Ok, lemme be picky, I liked Dexter's Lab at one point but I aged a few years looked at it and started asking questions and thinking. How are the parents ignoring all the stuff that happens? )
      The anime is interesting and I enjoy watching it as they do try and tackle some more complex themes and often times it has a bit more belivable story line and it does a better job of answering questions I might have. Cowboy Bebop(the series) for example looks more into the past of the characters during the series and you see something believable(for the most part) and it gives the viewer a way to associate with the characters.

      What qualities do I use to think if it is good? If it is interesting to me its good. If it is funny thats a plus. If it is stupid/dumb I might avoid it but if I come across an episode or 2 I'll watch and see how it is presented, maybe change my mind. It is more personal preference than anything else.

    16. Re:An honest question by Op911 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Please don't forget (for people who don't like giant battling robots), Great Teacher Onizuka , an intelligent comedy about a young Japanese schoolteacher and his antics to teach his class of misfits some life lessons, or anything by Studio Ghibli, such as the film recently nominated for the Academy Awards, Spirited Away , and its predecessors, such as Princess Mononoke and the like. (Also devoid of giant battling robots, or anime pr0n) More info on Studio Ghibli stuff at this excellent fan news website

    17. Re:An honest question by Intocabile · · Score: 1

      Just like any other hobby. I why do car guys go to extremes? Might be because they enjoy it... naw. It has always been the stories personally. Since most anime has its roots in Manga (japanese comics) they usually have a good story. There are some of course that are your basic run of the mill crap, but most have some merit. I also find anime to be more of an art form then cartoons meant for a North American market since it's not bounded by stereotypes. Not to mention how many different types of anime there are, find a type you enjoy and you'll never run out of shows to watch. In any case if you never find an anime series that does it for you I hope you don't dismiss the artform, some anime movies are the greatest ever made and Cowboy Bebop: The Movie is among them. Other Greats: Grave off the Fireflies, Akira, Princess Mononoke, My Neighbour Totoro, Porco Rosso, Spirited Away(well anything studio ghibli realy), Ghost in the Shell

    18. Re:An honest question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're killing me here! How can you deny Vegeta as a three-dimensional character? You may not like what Pioneer and FUNimation did to DBZ, but it's certainly not bad anime!

    19. Re:An honest question by Uller-RM · · Score: 1

      GTO is oustanding, altho the manga is better IMHO. Also let us not forget Serial Experiments: Lain, or any of the other of their ilk. I agree with the parent on Spirited Away and Mononoke.

      *grinning at the giant battling robots comments* I dunno, Rah'Xephon and NGE are the only mecha shows I've liked. Full Metal Panic, GunParade March, the whole Robotech series, etc. just never hooked me. I guess it's the mysticism bent that both those shows have, while the others are more of an extension on modern technology.

      I'm looking forward to Behind the Clouds right now -- a typical separated-loves story in an alternate future where Japan was conquered and divided after WW2.

      Kiddy Grade (Gainax) has been pretty interesting too.

    20. Re:An honest question by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1, Interesting

      >What is it that people see in anime?

      I think its just a reliable source for tons of science fiction. Wherever science fiction goes geeks are sure to follow.

      I don't think its a big coincedence that the most popular titles are pretty much sci-fi or use a sci-fi setting.

    21. Re:An honest question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rather than answer, let me pose you a question:

      Are you, in general, able to understand other people's obsessions?

      If someone was obsessed with Hollywood films, would you pose the same question? 60's music? Cars? Buffy?

      Anime is like everything else. There's good anime. There's bad anime (and lots of it!) There are more or less obsessive fans.

      The one thing it IS lacking is mainstream success and the resulting mass of semi-interested "I'd watch it if it was on TV but wouldn't go out of my way to obtain" viewers.

    22. Re:An honest question by fenix+down · · Score: 1

      The commentary disk on Metropolis was pretty good in that respect. Most of what the top guys talk about is how Ozuma's going to rise from the grave and haunt them for what they did to his story.

      Anyway, you kind of missed the point. Yes, manga-anime adaptations have just as many comprimises as book-movie ones. (actually, specifically here, CB was an anime originally, so there was no mangaka to get screwed) He was talking about technical limitations, though. It's why George Lucas wet his panties over CGI, becuase it opens up the kind of freedom you get in animation for live action directors.

    23. Re:An honest question by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Funny

      in other words what makes good series or a movie makes good anime.

      i've come to conclusion that because there is just so freaking much anime there's also good anime, just like hollywood does make some good movies..

      beginning titles on cowboy bepop-knocking on heavens door are extremely stylistic and good looking in my opinion too(coupled with excellent music)..

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    24. Re:An honest question by fenix+down · · Score: 1

      Intelligent? Onizuka? You must have been watching the other GTO. The one that didn't have... Onizuka in it. Fucking hilarious, yes. Intelligent, no.

      By the way, find some of the live action Onizuka stuff some time. It's a live cartoon. Like Jim Carrey, only adorable instead of infuriating. The movie has a Canada-themed ammusement park.

    25. Re:An honest question by deek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't forget His and Her Circumstances. I recently borrowed this off a friend, and it's extremely good! There are some absolutely classic scenes in this series. Highly recommended.

      DeeK

    26. Re:An honest question by kEnder242 · · Score: 1

      what?
      http://www.animetempy.com/
      The series in the spotlight section are usually worth your time. I also like the reviews, 4-5 stars is usually a guaranteed win.

      where?
      http://abma.x-maru.org/guide/
      http://an ime.mircx.com/

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    27. Re:An honest question by peter_gzowski · · Score: 1

      What is it that people see in anime?

      Are you new? I see this question every freaking time /. posts an anime story. I'm starting to believe that it's actually posted by anime fans who want to give their fellow anime fans an opportunity to karma whore. The replies are always "it's a medium, lots of crap, some good," followed by the poster's personal top-ten of anime, which rarely deviates from the standard top-ten of anime, except maybe for some fansub-du-jour that they throw in to let everyone know that they're still "current". God knows, I've been tempted to do it myself. I don't see this question asked about Linux every time some story is posted about version X.YrcZ of some distro. "What is it you guys see in Linux? What is it as a whole that makes you such great fans of it? I tried to install DragonBallZ Linux, and it seemed to fight with me for days while nothing actually happened...". People then posting their favorite distros for 80 comments, moderators modding up the comments about distributions they like...

      From here on in, let it be known that this question has been answered, numerous times. Look up an anime favorites list on google or just check the commentary in any /. anime story, watch some of the recommended shows, and decide for yourself.

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    28. Re:An honest question by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      I want to find that somewhere - I watched it at my local anime club and was pissing myself laughing the whole way.

      For non-fans - His and Her's is basically the best chick-flick ever. Its the usual stupid romantic duelling storyline, except its actually funny (instead of Cameron Diaz traipsing around being a ditz).

      Get it for your girlfriends.

    29. Re:An honest question by BigFire · · Score: 1

      Although there are plenty of series that were cancelled, even the famous ones.

      "Mobile Suit Gundam" was originally slated for 52 episodes run. By around episode 30s, their sponsor was ready to pull the plug, and only the pleading of the producers got them up to 43 episodes. This team's next series "Space Runaway Ideon" got the exact same treatment, except the producer weren't able to get them the 4 episode extension. The fans of Ideon have to wait another year to watch the ending on two movies.

    30. Re:An honest question by Golias · · Score: 1
      It's why George Lucas wet his panties over CGI, becuase it opens up the kind of freedom you get in animation for live action directors.

      True, but I think we are just about all in agreement that Lucas did much better work when he was forced to stay within the constraints of traditional film-making and special effects.

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    31. Re:An honest question by iabervon · · Score: 1

      It's easier to be perfectionistic in making anime than it is in making a live-action film; you can tweak the visuals arbitrarily until they're just right, and it's much easier to do a lot of takes of the audio and splice the best ones together, because you're not trying to fit video and the actors don't have to do difficult things while speaking. This means you can get a better result with somewhat less effort, and that you can get a good result with less skilled people taking more time.

      American cartoons tend to be taken less seriously than anime, which means that you don't get as impressive results most of the time.

      So anime isn't automatically great, but it's a lot more practical for a lot of good stories.

    32. Re:An honest question by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I understand your question, IMHO most anime sucks.
      However, Cowboy Beebop is one fine series. I recommend it because it is a good movie, the fact that it is anime is really secondary.
      I suggest you find someone with a copy, and watch the first DVD. I think you'll enjoy it, most people I've shown it to have.

      to sum up:
      Cowboy beebop is:
      1)sexy
      2)well written
      3)well drawn
      4)cool looking ships
      5)funny
      6)subtle
      7)characters with depth
      8)thought provoking
      9)wity
      10)action packed

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    33. Re:An honest question by captaincucumber · · Score: 1

      I think I know the answer.

      90% of everything is crap, and we've all already seen the 10% of movies and TV shows in the U.S. that don't suck. You've seen all the episodes of Seinfeld, you've seen The Godfather and Star Wars and The Matrix. And Once you've seen all that, all that's left is The Postman and Waterworld and Crossing Over with John Edwards.

      So we've seen all the good stuff that the U.S. has to offer, and we're hungry for more good entertainment. Enter anime. You pretty much never see this stuff on TV or in movie theaters, and the only stuff you do see is stuff that makes it through quite a filter - you get the very best that Japanese creativity has to offer. On top of that, coming from another culture, it's very different, it's doesn't fit the cookie cutter mold of so many of the movies and shows we see here in the U.S.

      So that's why I think a lot of people like anime, we ran out of good Western entertainment, so we turn to the best from other cultures. Of course, I suppose this explanation I've given doesn't explain why we're not into artsy French films ;)

    34. Re:An honest question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      A great deal of it sucks ass (ex: DBZ, Hamtaro, Pokemon, etc.)
      Pokemon? Sucks Ass!? C'mon, it's not that bad! My 2-year old loves pokemon and there are only a few spots that can give her nightmares.

      Now, when she's older, I'll shift her over to more complex, mature anime. Throw in some strong female role-models, etc. But when she's older. Like when she's... oh, I dunno... three.

    35. Re:An honest question by VivianC · · Score: 1

      I agree with all of your points on the strengths of Cowboy Bebop, but there is something you left out: Fantastic Music!

      I'm not a big anime fan. I was hooked into this show while flipping channels and heard some of the music. I bought the 'Perfect Sessions' 3 DVD set and only really know the english voices. I also bought the most of the soundtracks (even after downloading the MP3s for free).

      Glad this is coming to Chicago. I'll be at the Music Box that night.

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    36. Re:An honest question by Mike+Markley · · Score: 1

      True, but I think we are just about all in agreement that Lucas did much better work when he was forced to stay within the constraints of traditional film-making and special effects.

      Yes, but this is because he lacks the imagination to create both awesome visuals and a good story... seems like it's one or the other with Lucas ;).

    37. Re:An honest question by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 1

      I know the true anime fanboys will wretch at this name....

      But the first anime that I saw was Akira. Admit it, that's what it was for quite a few of you, too.

      I was already a big fan of animation, and scenes like the motorcycle riding on the bridge in the beginning, with the light tracers on the bikes, that impressed me. The falling buildings did too.

      The story was hard to follow at first and I really wasn't impressed with it until the second time I watched it.

      What really, really did it for me was the end of the movie. Where Tetsuo turns into the giant flesh beast.

      I would be really, really impressed if I see that in CGI (that is, the transformation of a real, moving, live actor into the flesh beast) in the next 5 years. I'm sure it could be done, but the intracicy (sp?) of the work would have to be detailed and well-coordinated with the actor to be realistic.

  9. The DVD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've watched the download for ages now and would buy the movie in an instant, if available in my Region.

  10. whoopdee fucking doo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't enjoy this movie that much. Some movies I can see over and over, but this fell into the 1 timer category for me.

  11. Bah Humbug - Seen it. by CrocOS · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Of course the truely dedicated fans have got the DVD from Japan and just watched it with subtitles (or learnt Japanese) .. and the slightly less dedicated fans have got a DiVX rip of said DVD =)

    Ouch - I shouldn't have said that - now the MPAA are gonna get medievil on my ass!

    Legal, Medievil, what's the difference? =)
    -Trav

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    1. Re:Bah Humbug - Seen it. by Microlith · · Score: 1

      The Japanese DVD didn't have subtitles!

      If your disc did, it wasn't Japanese! Or legit!

    2. Re:Bah Humbug - Seen it. by CrocOS · · Score: 1

      I never said if I actually had a DVD, or that I ever needed subtitles =)

      But seriously, I just saw the fan-subbed DiVX =)
      -Trav

      Well... I can count to 10 in Japanese... =)

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  12. ouch by lingqi · · Score: 4, Informative

    that title is just... AWFUL.

    btw if you translate the japanese title directly i think it's "heaven's door" - I thought the "knocking no heaven's door" would be a good english interpretation (yes I watched the japanese one)... probably have to do with copyrighted song titles? though AFAIK you can't copyright song titles at all.

    ack. that is just whack.

    btw, no nudity as far as I remembered (though there was points where Faye was pretty close), so I don't think much will be cut. Violence was not extreme either as well, IIRC;

    btw, anybody (who saw it in japanese) knows who sang the opening song? it was in english, but I can't figure it out.

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    1. Re:ouch by Microlith · · Score: 5, Informative

      There will be nothing cut. You mistake them for Miramax and Disney, whom seem content to edit stuff to death until they think it's marketable.

      The crew behind the US release of this movie is the same as the one behind Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (well, it's changed a bit) and they left that whole.

      Also the song:

      "Ask DNA"
      Words by: Tim Jensen
      Sung by: Raju Ramayya
      Music by: Yoko Kanno
      Performed by: Raju Ramayya and Seatbelts

    2. Re:ouch by minusthink · · Score: 2, Funny

      faye is ALWAYS close to nude.

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    3. Re:ouch by Rhinobird · · Score: 1

      In the opening credits she's holding onto something of hers, but it's all silloetted and you can't really see...whew, is it a tit bit nipply in here or is it just me?

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    4. Re:ouch by BigFire · · Score: 1

      The ADR director is the same as the TV series, and all of the principle Voice Actors return for the movie.

    5. Re:ouch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The opening theme is named "Tank!", by "The Seabelts" if that's any help to you... took me a while to figure out as well.

  13. An honest question that deserves an honest reply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I for one simply see anime as another medium of creative expression. Many people who don't "get anime" (not you obviously) see it as nothing but a cartoon. That's just ignorant. That's like seeing Saving Private Ryan as "just another shoot-'em-up action movie".

    I think one reason anime has such dedicated fans are two-fold.

    1. Animation can show things real life cannot either due to technological, financial or time constraints. For example, Cowboy Bebop. If you've seen the series, imagine trying to translate that into a show or movie. You know how much money that would cost? I'd guess upwards of $20 million an episode on average (CG ain't cheap, especially when every second has some).

    2. The culture in anime is unique. It's the same reason Star Wars has a cult following. Because anime is it's own little isolated universe. There are things otaku (anime fans to the nth degree) can say/do that another otaku will understand, but a casual observer would say "What the Hell is that?"

    I personally think those are huge factors in the fandom of anime, the unique culture it presents and the fact anything they can think up can be done.

  14. It's not a dupe... by CrocOS · · Score: 0, Redundant

    It's a clone! I'm sure that at least one word is different! Isn't it???

    =)
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  15. I want 'em in my theater! by strredwolf · · Score: 1

    Give us Lupin the IIIrd and Cowboy Bebop! YEAH! I'll gladly usher those days!

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  16. Mods are dumb by D+iz+a+n+k+Meister · · Score: 1

    The parent is hardly off topic if you have any clue as to what the story is about(Cowboy Bebop Movie).

    It's like me saying, "I like these old school games. Back in the day this was all people needed."

    Weak moderation, very weak. Would you rather he spoil the movie??

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  17. If you can't wait until April 4th... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    ...you can always commit the criminal act of copyright infringement and download the fansubbed version of the movie ahead of time. (You will need the emule p2p app to download it.)

    I know I did! I'm a filthy little pirate who's seen it thrice, and will see it once again at the theater, and again when it's finally on DVD.

    1. Re:If you can't wait until April 4th... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You linked to the 1CD version of the movie, which really blows, as it's not even a full CD in size. If you're going to bother downloading and watching the bootleg copy, at least snag the 2CD version.

    2. Re:If you can't wait until April 4th... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 1CD divx encode is more than enough to preview a movie -- especially if your broadband provider has low download caps like mine does.

    3. Re:If you can't wait until April 4th... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's a shame that emule only runs under windows. I wasn't able to get it working with wine for whatever reason. any linux ports besides that POS mldonkey?

    4. Re:If you can't wait until April 4th... by Op911 · · Score: 1

      Too bad sometime the fansubs are better than the subs on the DVD. I bought the Asian versions of the DVDs for Great Teacher Onizuka and was horrified at the terrible subs... the fansubs are far far better. Oh well. I downloaded it, liked it, and so bought it so my conscience is clear.... about those particular Divxs....

    5. Re:If you can't wait until April 4th... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The DVDs you bought have bad subs because they are pirated. Normally offical Japanese DVDs with English subs are fine.

      http://www.digital.anime.org.uk/piratefaq.html#d vd

    6. Re:If you can't wait until April 4th... by fenix+down · · Score: 1

      That sounds like you bough a Hong Kong bootleg off eBay. Crappy quality, still pirated. The Japanese release isn't going to have subtitles (unless you get lucky like with FLCL). That's why you have fansubs. If you want a legit translated version, you have to wait for it to show up at Suncoast. May your consience be re-soiled.

    7. Re:If you can't wait until April 4th... by Op911 · · Score: 2, Funny

      you despoiler of innocence..... :(

  18. Cowboy Bebob? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is that supposed to be some kind of stereotypical American name?
    Hell, we should make a cartoon that makes fun of tradional Japanese heroes! Call it something like Samurai... Samurai Jack!

    Oh wait! Crap!

    1. Re:Cowboy Bebob? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      would've been funnier post if accurate

    2. Re:Cowboy Bebob? by nule.org · · Score: 1
      The "Bebop" is the name of Jet Black's spaceship. Cowboy is a generic term referring to bounty hunters. There is no "America" in the future (2073 IIRC) the show depicts because a good portion of the world was severly damaged during an early experiment with hyper-space style trasportation (the "gate accident" is how it is referred to). That's not to say there isn't stereotyping in the show. In particular people of African or even Asian descent are often stereotyped in what could be considered a negative fashion. It's not as bad as some anime, IMO.

      Check the show out if you can - it's a stellar example of what anime can do.

  19. Computer Aided Translation by xfs · · Score: 5, Funny



    "We had a note about the American premiere last summer, but now it's finally open for general admission"

    Using the Taco->English translation on babelfish, it comes out as:

    "HAHA BASTARDS, CANT TELL ME ITS A REPOST NOW"


    1. Re:Computer Aided Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the one time I think Slashdot should break the +5 bonus cieling.

  20. OI! MOD PARENT UP! by CrocOS · · Score: 1

    If you had seen the movie, you would understand that this is _VERY_ on-topic... Besides, it's better then posting a scummy spoiler!

    -Trav

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  21. Re:Fuck em by Microlith · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Because it pisses people like you off.

    We like annoying anal-retentive assholes like you who can't get past something simply because it's animated.

    So enjoy your pissed-off life and shut up.

  22. voices by gid13 · · Score: 1

    thank heaven (since we're knocking on it's door anyway) that the original voices are used... i watched most of the series with subtitles, and then a dubbed episode... beyond the fact that the people who dub voices almost invariably suck more ass than a prisoner named bubba, there's the horribly disconcerting sense that you no longer know the characters... btw for anyone that has watched the series but not the movie (is there anyone?), check it out... it's good

    1. Re:voices by diablobynight · · Score: 1

      I think your absolutely correct I own the DVD release of the series and always watch it in non subbed form, because the japanese voices seem so much more true to the charachters than the american voices. Spike doesn't come across as apathetic as he needs to, Jet sounds like a damn idiot, hell they even fucked up Edd's voice, I am just going to continue watching my sub-titles.

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  23. The Movie by absurdhero · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think they changed it to "Cowboy Bebop: The Movie" to make sure that us American's can be sure that it is, in fact, a movie. Who knows, it could be terrorist propaganda or some mix between country music and old school bebop. How should we know?

    1. Re:The Movie by Rhinobird · · Score: 4, Funny

      In that case, I wish they would have renamed the movie "Fern Gully" to "Fern Gully: Environmentalist clap trap", but that's just me.

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  24. I've already watched Cowboy Bebop:KoHD by josh+crawley · · Score: 1

    I got a fansubbed version of it on a CD Xvid compressed fullscreen. I'll say this.... If it comes out in theaters here, I'm watching it, and I'll buy the DVD.

    In terms of quality, the animation is beautiful. The storyline, I believe, is the movie between EP 24 and 25 of the Cowboy Bebop series. This explains some weird 'sayings' in the alang=ja,slang=en of the American dvd.

    ARE YOU LIVING IN
    THE REAL WORLD?

    1. Re:I've already watched Cowboy Bebop:KoHD by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Between 23 and 24.

      And what do you mean This explains some weird 'sayings' in the alang=ja,slang=en of the American dvd.

    2. Re:I've already watched Cowboy Bebop:KoHD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      alang = audio language
      slang = subtitle language
      so Japanese audio, english subtitles.

    3. Re:I've already watched Cowboy Bebop:KoHD by josh+crawley · · Score: 1

      Sorry.. Alang and slang is mplayer dvd audio and subtitling commandline options. I was doing commandline options to mencoder and comments/commandline crossed ;-)

      Alang = Audio Language. Audio to Japanese
      Slang = Subtitle language. Subtitling to English

    4. Re:I've already watched Cowboy Bebop:KoHD by Microlith · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You can tolerate using mplayer for dvds? A brave man you are. And tolerant.

      And what were you referring to about an american dvd? The coming one (that'll be released N months from now)?

    5. Re:I've already watched Cowboy Bebop:KoHD by josh+crawley · · Score: 1

      ---You can tolerate using mplayer for dvds? A brave man you are. And tolerant.

      I just created a stupid 'lil app for common switches for mplayer. Makes running a movie (on amy medium) simple for me.

      ---And what were you referring to about an american dvd? The coming one (that'll be released N months from now)?

      NO. I already have a rip of the CB: movie.

      I was reffering to slight points that 'just dont add up' in the american DVD episodes if you dont watch the movie. If you watch the episodes (in american voices), all seems normal. Watch them in japanese/eng subtitle, and there's "holes" (for lack of a better name).

  25. Weird coincidence by Astroboy! · · Score: 1

    I just finished watching episode 15 of the series, I pop open slashdot before hitting the sack, and here's news I can use!

    Can't wait for Spike-san to 'hit it' on the big screen.

    As long as they start off the flick with 'Tank', I'll be happy.

    sigs? we don't need no steenking sigs here

    1. Re:Weird coincidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      alas, they don't start of the movie with "Tank!". All the music is new, again composed by Yoko Kanno and performed by the Seatbelts.

  26. One more thing I forgot to add... by Syncdata · · Score: 1

    Cowboy bebop also has the most rediculously awesome opening title sequence of anything commited to celluloid, ever. IMHO of course.

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    1. Re:One more thing I forgot to add... by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 1

      So Syncdata sez:

      "Cowboy bebop also has the most rediculously awesome opening title sequence of anything commited to celluloid, ever"

      That's what got me to watch that first episode on Cartoon Network!

      There was more action and attention demading images than in almost any hour of live action prime time TV.

      And don't forget that wonderful opening music! "3,2,1, let's jam!"

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  27. trailer is avalible by cyrax777 · · Score: 1

    http://www.sonypictures.com/cthe/cowboybebop/ and yeah I have the fansub but ill still get the dvd once it comes out. No brainer crappy dvd rip vs real dvd with proffesinal translation and a excellent dub cast.

  28. Re:Dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod parent up, these dupes need to stop!

  29. Timeline?? by Danse · · Score: 1

    So this movie is supposed to take place somewhere between the middle and the end of the series or what?

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    1. Re:Timeline?? by Microlith · · Score: 4, Informative

      Between episodes 23 and 24.

      Read through more posts, the answer has already been mentioned a few times.

    2. Re:Timeline?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found it easiest to watch the first half of the series, watch the movie, then watch the second half of the series.

      Of course by then I was a day late for work.... =)

  30. WHAT? No TANK? by CrocOS · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sorry dude - From a post last time this was mentioned:

    "Ask DNA"
    Words by: Tim Jensen
    Sung by: Raju Ramayya
    Music by: Yoko Kanno
    Performed by: Raju Ramayya and Seatbelts

    Like I said... Sorry =)
    -Trav

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    1. Re:WHAT? No TANK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still a good song though. I think the end song is the great one, though.

  31. Stupid Question by calc · · Score: 1

    Why do people like fansubs over dubs, at least for the people who don't know japanese, don't they lose a large part of the dialog due to not understanding the person's inflection/tone. Perhaps that isn't a big issue? I've watched many of both type and end up liking dubs due to that reason.

    1. Re:Stupid Question by CrocOS · · Score: 1

      Not soo stupid if you don't know the answer:

      Because until this movie is released and can be ripped, only the fansubbed version is available.

      And as a personal reason, I prefer the voices on the original cast - the dubbed voices don't sound right, well at least if it is the same crowd that dub'd the series on DVD vs. the orig. cast.

      -Trav

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    2. Re:Stupid Question by calc · · Score: 1

      I know this movie isn't available in dub form yet. But what point is hearing the original voices if you don't understand the language and that something has different meaning depending on its tone. Perhaps this is just a issue for the English language?

    3. Re:Stupid Question by Microlith · · Score: 1

      It does bother me that you say "until this movie is released and can be ripped."

      You do realize that the only way to compensate them for their work is to buy it, right?

    4. Re:Stupid Question by Intocabile · · Score: 1

      If you've watched enough anime you pick up on the culture/language/emotion. I'm at a point where I could care less about reading subtitles. I dream to be fluent but that'd take more time then I have as an engineering student.

    5. Re:Stupid Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume you must be a fan of dubbed opera too?
      (No, not the browser)

      The original is the original. Nothing can change that. Even if you hire Dana Scully and Minnie Driver (oh, wait, they already tried that) the dub will not be the original.

      Do you go to see the real Mona Lisa, or someone's color-corrected version?

      Do you read the original book, or Reader's Digest abridged edition?

      Do you read the original book, or a translation (assuming you actually can read the other language)?

      Do you go to see your favorite band live, or be content with MP3s ripped off their studio CD?

      Why did you get that Blade Runner Director's Cut DVD?

      If you want to eat Japanese food, is "Japanese recipes with local ingredients" good enough for you?

      It's not a question of being better. There are works that could be improved by further editing. It's a question of being more original.

    6. Re:Stupid Question by CrocOS · · Score: 1

      Don't worry Micro - I know you either sell DVD's or at least you often chuck the animeondvd link as your sig =)

      Firstly, I am a realist: When the DVD is released, it will be ripped.

      Secondly, yes, I'm not thick. =)

      I'm in a backwater (as far as Movie releases are concerned, anyway) of a country called New Zealand: If the movie is released on a zone/region 4 (Asia/Pacific region) I will buy it, just like I brought the english dub of the series - I've got 3 of the DVDs so far. I've got the entire series as DiVX, which tends to be the only way that I can get some movies / shows. If the movie is released in the cinema I will go, though I might not buy the DVD in that case.

      Heh... I'm one of the few people that I know who can say that they own actual legal licences to every bit of software I have installed on my Windows computer - that includes MS Visual Studio 6.0 Enterprise edition and Office XP Pro.

      Likewise, I try to buy the DVD or go to the movie for any movies / shows that I have, if they are available. If they are NOT available though, I don't inconvenience myself (I always buy locally - I've had a couple of bad experiences buying from overseas) and nor do I feel guilty or responsible.

      Besides, I don't understand why you should try to act as the consience for others: Maybe if you knew me, OK, but on slash?? Heh - funny =)
      -Trav

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    7. Re:Stupid Question by CrocOS · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not so aware of the wording inflection issue from a Japanese language point of view, but I have encountered it with some Indian work-mates who, while they do speak pretty good english, have a tendancy for changing the meaning of their words through tone, meter and inflection of their speech.

      I find that hearing the tones in the speech helps bring clearer meaning to what is going on - you can often understand exactly what is happening in some of the scenes through simply hearing the words and the tone, even before you have read the subtitle. But that's just me: I know my flattie refuses to watch anything subtitled - he claims that needing to read while watching detracts from the action. I personally disagree with that, but hey, that's his opinion =)

      L8r!
      -Trav

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    8. Re:Stupid Question by fenix+down · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can still use the tone, emotional cues don't change that much. Also, the subtitles are a closer-to-direct translation while the dub script is designed to get the gist across while fitting into the timing of the Japanese lines. Personally, I just had too many bad experiences with crappy English voice acting and got used to dealing with subtitles. Shinji should not scream like Homer Simpson. Ug.

    9. Re:Stupid Question by marbike · · Score: 1

      This puts me into a minority of anime viewers, but I generally prefer the dubs over subs based solely on my ability to see what is going on without have to read the dialouge. However, there is one notable exception...
      Inu Yasha is perhaps the worst dubbing in anime. I bought the series based on the advise of my local Sam Goody salesperson. This person sees all of the series that I buy and generally makes good suggestions as to titles I will like. I purchased Inu Yasha based on his reccomendation and I throughorly enjoy the series. However, I had to turn off the english track and put up the subs because the english track was so poorly translated and acted. And at 3 episodes per disc, Inu Yasha was going to get expensive. I have since bought the fansubed Hong Kong imports and I really enjoy it. The cost for the entire first season was about the same as three discs of teh American release.

      To answer the question, however, I would call some of the "Subs rule, Dubs suck" anime freaks elitist and just trying to stand out as original. It is my ever humble opinion that sometimes the translations for dubs tends to get the story across better than the subs. This, of course, is not always the case; I guess every rule needs it's exception. I know many fanatic anime viewers who refuse to watch any series in English, and I know one or two who only watch w/ subs. I think that the culture began with the fansubs that were the only way someone who does not speak Japanese could enjoy a show. The viewing public got used to the subs and think that the "Official" translations by the importing production houses were lacking. I think that swearing may have had something to do with this as well, as fansubs often tend to use harsher language than really was said or meant. When someone has seen the same show fansubbed many times and the dub does not use the same level of gutter language, the viewer thinks that it was toned down for it's US release.

      All that aside, I highly reccomend that when you watch a new show, try it both ways. Look for the way that suits the show the best and then watch the entire series that way.

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  32. Re:Title Changes Hey youngster @ Weiner.com by puto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well having spent a good part of my live in my homeland the(US) and a good part on the road in other countries I can answer you in this way.

    Mad Max was called Mad MAx here. I even saw in the US as Mad Max. The second movie was called Mad Max 2, the Road Warrior. And Road Warrior sounds a Helluva lot better than Mad Max 2.

    And Gibson was born in New York, pop shipped the whole family back to Aussie Land cause that was where mom was from and to avoid his sons possible conscription into the service into Vietnam.

    And we do acknowledge philossopy. But alchemy? Hmmm.

    Movie name changes are made all over the world. They do it so that wherever they are showing the flick can get a general idea of what the original title is about. Somethings cannot be transalates.

    Knocking on Heavens door is one of the most famous songs in the US, and in English, so I would venture they did it to avoid confusion. And it is actually quite a beautiful tune.

    So you know what? Cool your jets, wherever your are from. People are people. Including this yank with one grampaw from Madrid and the other Cajun French(which is better than regular Frog any ol' day") we is all just people.

    Puto

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  33. Re:An honest question that deserves an honest repl by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Actually that was two reasons, not one two-part reason, but whatever.

    1. Animation can show things real life cannot either due to technological, financial or time constraints. For example, Cowboy Bebop. If you've seen the series, imagine trying to translate that into a show or movie. You know how much money that would cost? I'd guess upwards of $20 million an episode on average (CG ain't cheap, especially when every second has some).

    As was just proven this year with Firefly, a live-action TV show that reminded some people more than a little bit of Cowboy Bebop. At $2 Million an episode, it was simply too expensive to stay on the air with as limited of a following as it had. It was cancelled just as it was getting really good.

    In addition to the cost savings and subculture appeal, there's one more reason for anime being loved so much by some people in the US. Only the most appealing stuff ever gets exported. Then, once they went through the trouble of translating and exporting it, they carefully market it to the right audience (Cartoon Network's "Adult Swim" vs. after-school syndication).

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  34. Ok someone's got to say it... by Turbyne · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Ok someone's got to say it...

    Faye Valetine is the HOTTEST [anime] chick EVER!!!
    and now you can see her [shorts/boobs/ass] on the BIG SCREEN!
    Whoohoo!!!

    I feel better now.

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  35. Ugh. by Wes+Janson · · Score: 1

    That trailer was revolting. I had to contain my digestive track from inverting itself onto the keyboard looking at that sad commercialistic tripe advertisement. Cowboy Bebop has never needed commercials. They more likely drove away fans by making that trailer, then did anything to attract viewers to all 4 cinemas playing it, NONE OF THEM IN FLORIDA!

  36. 'Anime' Is The Emperor's New Clothes Of The... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Geek Age. It's not clever. It's not ground-breaking. It's not subversive, or enlightening, or even fucking entertaining. It's shitty, *shitty* 'Scooby Doo' (if that's even possible) for the twenty-something dot.com basement-dwellers. They try so hard to convince the World that' anime' is worth more than just a pile of steaming dog shit, but fail miserably.

    Fuck your hopelessly-but-never-quite-geek-chic-trendy 'anime', and fuck you.

    1. Re:'Anime' Is The Emperor's New Clothes Of The... by Pxtl · · Score: 3, Informative

      Watch cowboy bebop. Its not a high-culture trendy thing, or a deep meaninful thing, or a bizarre schoolgirls in panties thing.

      Its just a fucking good show. Its fun, action-packed, funny, stylish, and entertaining. This headline could be easily "Nifty-sci-fi movie coming".

      Yes, many anime fans are obsessed wierdos who think that Nurse Angel is high culture. Before it was imported, I know many guys who watched Cart Captor Sakura on much-coveted import tapes.

      Those people suck. There is a lot of good anime. THere are a lot of people who will watch anything, as long as it is anime. Don't listen to them - listen to normal, reputable folks (like Taco) on their opinion.

      And see Bebop. 'tis good.

      BTW, anybody else thinking they should've left the title? Bebop was meant to be aimed at Americans. The massive amount of American music references reflected that. I mean, referring to one of Billy Joel's classics would've been a fine thing for american audiences, but they had to call it "The Movie"?

    2. Re:'Anime' Is The Emperor's New Clothes Of The... by hcduvall · · Score: 1

      I agree with everything there. The amount of style and craft for the show is better than, well, any tv show I've seen since Twin Peaks. Its nice when they work images WITH the music.

      Better yet, its episodic enough to be interesting, while still being a wothwhile cohesive whole series. A lot of other shows seem to get bogged down in their themes and lose track of their time frame.

      All that said, I wouldn't say it was meant for Americans. It might be about a love affair with America, or at least American music. But then, Japanese culture is rife with that- personally I cringe whenever english is injected into songs. And entertaining though it is- Honky Tonk Blues is about bluesy as...well, Shania Twain.

      So the title change, though regrettable, is a marketing thing. And me, I know it from Guns N' Roses...

    3. Re:'Anime' Is The Emperor's New Clothes Of The... by murph · · Score: 1
      Good post, but to nitpick:
      I mean, referring to one of Billy Joel's classics would've been a fine thing for american audiences, but they had to call it "The Movie"?

      Knockin on Heaven's Door is a Bob Dylan, not Billy Joel song.

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    4. Re:'Anime' Is The Emperor's New Clothes Of The... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



      You must not have watched Northern Exposure.

  37. how many cowboy bebop posts in the last 6 months? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i mean really? this series has plot holes...

    where did the syndicate storyline comefrom? someone pulled that right out of thier ass. cowboy bebop is just trying to be too cool for my tastes. the kung fu master who doesent talk much and smirks (total lupin ripoff), the preety lady who steals (fujiko ripoff), the young kid who knows everything about computers, and the seasoned vet. plus a pet! wow! interesting charecters? hah

    rahxephon is just an eva ripoff, so was betterman, and whole slews of others. Hellsing was pretty good vampire series. love hina is crap, the plot moves so slowly, nothing happened in 70 episodes. inu yasha got too spaced out.

    One Piece is good if you like the old fashioned sea-pirates with EXCELLENT charecter backgrounds! tenchi tv and oav were good, tenchi in tokyo series was bad, movies 2+3 were horrible. ranma suffered the same fate as love hina. trigun was good, bad ending. Flame of recca was nice, original, needs a second tv series tho, manga continued story and is now over at vol 33.

    other people are right tho, there are thousands of animes that were just so bad, not even the chinese cared to pirate em. i dont think GitS SAC is very good. just a money making deal ;\

  38. Hehehe Irvine a 'major city' by foniksonik · · Score: 1

    I live in Irvine and I love the fact that we get all the limited release Animes... Vampire Hunter D, Cowboy BeeBop, Princess Ahime, the list goes on... but it's a city of like 250,000 people maybe twice that during the day (damn commuters) and NOT a major city. Over 50% of the residents drive a luxury car and pay more than twice what they should for their housing but still...

    oh well, I'll just count my blessings. April 4rth will be a very entertaining day!

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  39. DBZ Too Deep for you by Nazmun · · Score: 1

    Okay so it's not really deep in the normal sense but it is entertaining. I hated my first 6 episodes that i watched. Had a cousin that really liked it...

    then something happend and i got obsessed, and made this site dbzn.net

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    1. Re:DBZ Too Deep for you by Dougthebug · · Score: 1

      Many DragonBall Z fans will disagree, but what makes DBZ such an addicting show is its "soap opera" like characteristics. Yea sure, there is action, fighting, and cool explosions, but thats just what gets people interested in it. What keeps people hooked is the suspense. Every episode ends as though something really really cool is going to happen in the next episode, but in reality those really cool things only happen like every 8 episodes.

      Daytime TV : Soap Opera :: Anime : DragonBall Z

    2. Re:DBZ Too Deep for you by Uller-RM · · Score: 1

      *laugh* My girlfriend, who shares my anime obsession, were talking about DBZ after I posted, and came to the conclusion that it's really the suspense. So many episodes are just building up to this massive battle... you're compelled to see what happens, even though you've fallen asleep to all the screaming (as oxymoronic as that sounds). And I have to admit that the concept of Saiyan are neat. But I just can't dig it. I think it's the art style that turns me off.

    3. Re:DBZ Too Deep for you by Nazmun · · Score: 1

      Funny you mention that because it's really the non-action eps that got me hooked earlier on. Also you really should watch the Japanese version subbe or something. I can't stand the screaming in the American version.

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  40. CowboyNeal? by faaaz · · Score: 1

    Ok, so when do we get to see CowboyNeal? I've been waiting for ages! AGES I TELL YA!

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  41. Attack of the Killer Double Titles! by euxneks · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Honestly, can't someone get it into their head that if it's in a movie theatre, any joe blow could figure out that it's a movie that they're watching? Is the second title "The Movie" really needed? Sheesh.

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    1. Re:Attack of the Killer Double Titles! by Baloo+Ursidae · · Score: 1

      But it worked so well for Spaceballs. And how do they know they're watching Spaceballs: The Movie when they could just as easily be looking at Spaceballs: The Lunchbox, Spaceballs: The Toilet Paper, or even Spaceballs: The Flamethrower. The kids really like the flamethrower.

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  42. What is happening to Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    Please contact the server administrator, pater@slashdot.org and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

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  43. Other cities later? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is the movie slated only for those theatres or will it have a wider release after April 4? In Cleveland we often foreign films at the Cedar Lee cinema but I can find nothing about the Bebop movie on their website.

  44. bebop? by joenobody · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've seen it, and the nicest thing I can say about it that it's not Cowboy Bebop. Ed is messed up, grapically and character-wise. The computer animation is pretty poorly integrated. Jet's barely in the movie and spends most of it moping around like a schmuck. Faye's top is cut open for no particular reason. Spike's at least about right, but Ein is painfully obvious.

    The villain is some kind of nihilistic joke who can't even keep continuity -- he survives, without disfigurement, exploding a grenade in his hand that blackens and twists a nearby metal seat, but takes one bullet in the climax and dies.

    Speaking of which, the entire story around the contrived love interest is incredibly hammy, and if anyone didn't see that twist at the end coming you'd best get your eyes checked. Ugh.

    I didn't expect the world from this movie, but it didn't come close to matching up with the worst episode.

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    1. Re:bebop? by BIGmog · · Score: 1

      Bebop fans are gonna be disappointed with the movie. Having seen it, it's basically a regular episode stretched out to be 90 minutes long. 2/3 of the film is pointless filler and boring side plots with little relevance to the story. Simply a let down.

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    2. Re:bebop? by haloscan · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't ****SPOILER ALERT**** preceding your post have been more courteous to other people who haven't seen the movie?

  45. Yeah! Cowboy's plip plop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I eat it up. Gimme that Cheesy animation, those big doe-eyed lanky babes. I yearn to live out my adolescent cream dreams. Yeah!
    Mo Mo MO You Ho!

    Ain't nothing' like sweet anime babes doing my every bidding!

    Oops... Did I just sound like most /.ers including the illustrious leaders?!?!!?!? Oh well, It couldn't be /. without prepubescent cummings and goings, could it?

  46. How 'bout no, mate. by fenix+down · · Score: 1

    Not exactly very ontopic. I guess it's barely topical, but it's like posting "the ring made me invisible!!1LOL!" whenever there's a LotR story. He's just doing a stupid, hey, look at me, I'm geeky enough to know what the hell you're talking about!

    Don't mod him up.

  47. Opening Track by jimius · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Ask DNA by Yoko Kanno
    My personal favorite artist. I already have the First Print limited Edition Soundtrack which includes an Ask DNA maxi single :)
    Check www.CDjapan.co.jp to get it.

    Now gimme karma :)

  48. Re:how many cowboy bebop posts in the last 6 month by SaXisT4LiF · · Score: 2, Informative

    where did the syndicate storyline comefrom? someone pulled that right out of thier ass. cowboy bebop is just trying to be too cool for my tastes. the kung fu master who doesent talk much and smirks (total lupin ripoff), the preety lady who steals (fujiko ripoff), the young kid who knows everything about computers, and the seasoned vet. plus a pet! wow! interesting charecters? hah





    Caution: Possible Spoilers




    Spike used to work for the syndicate before he became a bounty hunter. Cowboy Bebop: The Movie is tied into the 26 episode series that you would need to watch before dissing such an awesome movie. The characters all have mysterious pasts; Spike is an ex-syndicconstantly refers life as "Watching a dream," ate member, Jet worked for the ISSP (a secret police), Faye lost her memory during carbon freeze and owes a huge debt to the doctors, and Ed is, well.. Ed (by the way, Ed is a she). and then there's Ein, their pet data dog.

    A lot of imagery from the series in repeated in the movie too: Spike has 'died' (or close to it) at leaste twice before in the series (i'm not sure where exactly the movie fits in the time line). Spike's philosophy on life, is that he's watching a dream and feels a need to test himself -- to see if he's really alive. He also displays a brilliant array of martial arts , including Aikido.

    The only problem I have, is that I'm so used to hearing the Japanese voices that the English ones don't quite fit. And the line in the trailer "I'm just your average bounty hunter"... it's supposed to be "Cowboy". Hence the name; "Cowboy Bebop" ('Bebop', by the way is the name of their ship)

    Personally, I can't wait to see it on the big screen, and I'd recommend that you check it out too: you might be surprised.

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  49. I've always been... by tenjah · · Score: 1

    Fairly so-so about animé. Live action movies too. Come to think about it, any form of entertainment that doesn't come between 2 covers of paper or on a monitor. I don't even have a tv for goodness sakes.

    I love GITS the movie, Stand Alone Complex is ok, if a little convoluted at times. Akira, obviously, and I have fond memories from my teenage years of Crying Freeman, Fist of the North Star, Legend of the Overfiend and a few others.

    My wife fansubs a few series, and our hard drive is chock full of many many series. (Over 20gb of pure animé).She reckoned that I would enjoy CB and she was right. CB is the DOG'S BOLLOCKS. And gets the Tenjah-Tenstar official seal of approval.

    If ur only so-so about animé, CB won't dissapoint!

  50. Re:how many cowboy bebop posts in the last 6 month by MonkeyDluffy · · Score: 1
    One Piece is good if you like the old fashioned sea-pirates with EXCELLENT charecter backgrounds!

    Supposedly CN may be showing One Piece sometime in the future. It has also been licenced by a US company, so it will come out on R1 DVDs. One Piece has well over 100 episodes, and is still running strong on Japanese TV.

    -MDL

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  51. ...in other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Cowboys Rocksteady and Shredder movie is comming out. The story is loosly based on leader Krang and his gang who are out to take over the west. What they don't know is that Sherrif Splinter and his pose of gun slinging turtles are ready for them and will stop them at any cost.

  52. Not in many theaters by bheerssen · · Score: 1

    It's a shame they couldn't get this released in more cities. I'm gonna have to go all the way to Austin to see this, but go I will. Dallas is actually closer but, well, it's Dallas - so I'll go to Austin.

    Anyone know if there are full length DVD releases available for this movie or other Cowboy Bebop titles?

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  53. Re:Title Changes Hey youngster @ Weiner.com by Wiwi+Jumbo · · Score: 1

    And we do acknowledge philossopy. But alchemy? Hmmm.

    What do you mean by this?

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  54. My state sucks by saboola · · Score: 2, Funny

    We dont know how to vote, subsequently we dont get cowboy bebop movies. Maybe if Spike was edited out and re-filmed live as Vin Diesel or something, then this state might just find the movie shallow enough to enjoy. I hate Florida.

    1. Re:My state sucks by sparrow_hawk · · Score: 1

      Hey, be glad you don't live in the Upper Midwest. I say "anime" and people reply, "gezundheit".

      Or, "The fansub of _Spirited Away_ is great!"

      "All right, if we step away slowly maybe he won't attack right away..."

      Is there a snowball's chance of me *ever* seeing the MegaTokyo book in a bookstore? Nope. And the author/manga-ka is from frickin' Michigan!

  55. Re:how many cowboy bebop posts in the last 6 month by Zanthany · · Score: 2, Informative
    i mean really? this series has plot holes...

    That's exactly why I was addicted to it. Granted, my first Bebop viewings were the Cartoon Network dubs (sorry, anime purists -- I don't mind the dubs that much); but I wasn't being spoonfed every last detail and plot point. I actually had to use my own brain!

    All the more general plot points came together as I watched the series vigilantly. Not many people lived on Earth anymore due to constant meteor showers and impacts from Moon debris thanks to a major jumpgate accident. Spike belonged to the Syndicate--a mafia-style organized crime family at war with another gang. Jet was duped by his then partner in the ISSP in a Syndicate ambush, thus losing his arm. It's already been posted, but Faye was unfrozen, accrued a multi-billion wulan debt, and holds a personal desire to find our her past.

    This list could go on and on depicting what I learned about the Cowboy Bebop universe without -- like I said before -- somebody spoonfeeding me with all the details. I really jived with leaving the unanswered questions unanswered, even past the next episode. The series to me basically was a process, a non-linear thought-provoking character sketch that unraveled like an artichoke, and I think I'm still not to the heart of the matter.
  56. I just love anonymous cowards by diablobynight · · Score: 1

    They always have such sweet mouths while at the same time they seem to know everything and have been everywhere. I happen to have information from the U.S. Census bureau that denies your belief as to where the huge asian populations are. But what would the census bureau know. http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/atlas/cen sr01-108.pdf

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    1. Re:I just love anonymous cowards by Timmeh · · Score: 1

      The grandaprent post may have been incorrect, but I don't see how being asian implies being an anime fan. So because I'm about 20% french I must love to smoke, drink wine and complain about US foreign policy?

    2. Re:I just love anonymous cowards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I dunno...what do YOU think about Jerry Lewis?

    3. Re:I just love anonymous cowards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I just love anonymous cowards

      OK, so you stated your bias against unregistered users. I appreciate your honesty, but not your irrational hate.

      > U.S. Census bureau that denies your belief as to where the huge asian populations are

      First off, your link wasn't correct. You have to remove the space. Secondly, the graph shows the population in the area around San Jose is between 26-49% asian. Around SF, it's 12.5-24.9%. Either you don't know how to read a graph, or you were intentionally misleading in your post. Which is it Mr. Troll?

  57. Gundam Wing-Cowboy Bebop by diablobynight · · Score: 1

    These two series were filled with more drama and intelectual commentary than any series ever made in the U.S. When Spike in episode 25 I believe says. "What are you going to do, throw your life away as if it were nothing?!" - Faye "I'm not going there to die, I'm going to find out if I'm really alive." - Spike I thought to myself, with the previous conversation that this is the deepest charachter I have ever come upon. Or in Gundam Wing when Hero gives a ten minute monologue in one of his classes. I thought to myself that no tv show would allow so much talking of one person. Plus in Anime, you ussually need to watch the whole series otherwise it's like reading a book starting at the middle, they ussually have continuing storylines so that you really get to know the charachters as apposed to the 30 minute stories we get in most tv where one episode has little to do with the next and you can play them all out of order and no one cares. Anime is stories, not sit-coms, but true stories, with a hero, a person that even at my age I can envy. And see in that charachter the nobility and heart I would like to find in myself. You see we feed on it even more now, because we are no longer alloted the chances to be heroes, wars are fought from plains and their are no great battles of sword and shield. No memorable moments, and no songs are song to remember the soldiers of old. Anime gives us some of this back. And that is why I love it.

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  58. Re:how many cowboy bebop posts in the last 6 month by bludstone · · Score: 1

    kung fu master who doesent talk much and smirks (total lupin ripoff),

    Tribute, not ripoff. They straight up admit that hes based on lupin.

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  59. Will this be English dubbed? by Ride-My-Rocket · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can only assume so, since the Cartoon Network version is all in English. Not that I find that particularly distasteful -- in fact, it's probably one of the best dubbing jobs I've seen to date -- but I also find the Japanese voices more appropriate and in tune with each persons characters (Edward always cracks me up).

    1. Re:Will this be English dubbed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theater owners will be given a choice between the English-dubbed, and the Japanese-dubbed English-subtitled prints.

      If a theater is showing one instead of the other, it is the theater owner who made that decision, not Sony (Columbia Tri/Star).

      As far as what to expect, I'd imagine most theaters, who aren't specifically catering towards the otaku crowd (such as at an anime con or something) are going to get the English language print.

      Can't say I blame them. The movie won't do too well, even in its limited release, but I'm sure the English track would help pull in some people who wouldn't see it otherwise.

      Besides, I want to see how well David Lucas handles Spike after such a period of downtime. :D

  60. Re:how many cowboy bebop posts in the last 6 month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a huge Cowboy Bebop fan, I have to say that the American voice-overs make me cringe. I watched my first several episodes on VHS subtitled, and when I got the DVD box set I checked out the English audio just for shits and giggles. That little experiment didn't last long. Such little things as voice quality and inflection can change a character dramatically. None of the characters seemed to have the right, well, character in the dubbed version.
    While it would be admittedly very cool to see Bebop on the big screen, you certainly won't find me there as I find the English voices just a little too painful.
    For serious interested fans, the movie is available on DVD (yes, I've seen it - it's great. It plays like a wonderful 2 hour long single episode) in an adequately subtitled format. At any given time there are usually half a dozen copies for sale on EBay.
    Watch it subbed, space cowboys.

  61. Re:how many cowboy bebop posts in the last 6 month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually the line is "Just your average bounty hunter." Both the criminal and his hostage refer to Spike as a cowboy, though.

  62. And WHY are you telling us this?? by boy_afraid · · Score: 1

    And WHY are you telling us this?? Are you F*UCKING stupid?

    People, you see what happens when someone does nothing but smoke pot instead of going to school and studying? Sheesh, it's these kind of people that make me ashamed to be an American associated with them.

  63. Arrrgggghhhh! by Ghostx13 · · Score: 0

    Damn it!!! No Atlanta theathers are showing this. Oh well, guess this gives me a good excuse to visit my friends in DC.

  64. WTF is up with Dallas? by boy_afraid · · Score: 1

    "Why should we leave America to visit America Junior?" - Homer Simpson (talking about Canada)

    That's how I feel about Dallas. We Houstonians, people who live in Houston, TX, hate how much attention Dallas gets even though WE are the larger city with the better economy and better attractions, all around better. Maybe it's its geographical location, but no port gets more traffic than our Ship Channel. Now I hear that Cowboy Beebop is going to show in Dallas and not Houston? WTF? Even when there is some sort of music concert the artists go to Dallas instead of Houston and I think, "WTF?" !!

    I think the city where JFK and that lousy tv series was based would be avoidable.

    1. Re:WTF is up with Dallas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... the sad truth of it is that Dallas has a better arts community and more counter-culture stuff. Houston does have more crime and trailer trash, so buck up, Houstonian.

      I'm writing this from Austin, but used to live in Dallas. I would never go back.

    2. Re:WTF is up with Dallas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have more counter-culture on Montrose than you have in your whole city.

      You're just jealous because we have better air pollution!

  65. No, actually by acidrain69 · · Score: 1

    Actually, you still can hear inflection/tone in the dialog in japanese, and associate that along with the subs while you read.

    I happen to like subs over dubs because I find american cartoons always have cheesy accents which take away from the seriousness. Now, I figure that the japanese is just like this, if I could actually understand japanese, but I can't, so the cheesiness is lost on me.

    Some people are very very anal about this (otaku fanboys/girls). I'll always take a sub over a dub if it is available, otherwise I'll settle. Also, I find it's easier to eat food and listen to a dub than eat and try to read subs at the same time :)

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  66. Dubbing by Ogre332 · · Score: 1

    lots of people are complaining about the title but i hope i'm not the only one who is more upset over the fact that this is a dubbed version. i won't go to see it simply because of that. something is always lost in the translation.

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  67. Great Movie by nule.org · · Score: 2, Informative
    A friend of mine got me hooked on Bebop after showing me a few of the eps on DVD. I immediately went to eBay and bought a complete set of DVDs (26 eps on 3 dvds for about $40 on regionless disks from HongKong, with English audio) a boxed set of the series music (4 cd's, some great tunes) and a copy of the movie (about $8, regionless, English subtitles from HongKong).

    I am a bit biased about the movie since I dig the series so much, but it is really an impressive feat of animation. IMO the best I have seen in any anime, Ghost in the Shell and Princess Mononoke included. The story is pretty good, but somewhat akin to the X-Files movie - which seems just like an extended episode with nifty effects thrown in. Don't let that fool you though - I think I this thing can stand on its own, and I can't wait to hear it with the English-language voice actors who are fabulous in the series.

    If you get a chance to see some of the episodes before the movie you should do so. You'll appreciate more of the in-jokes and understand some of the oddities (like Ed :) ). Chronologically, I think the movie happens somewhere during the middle of the series so it won't give away the end if you haven't watched it all. If you have, don't worry, it will just enhance your appreciation of it.

    Here's to hoping it comes to Cleveland.

    1. Re:Great Movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe its supposed to take place right before disc 6 (assuming you bought the official Bandai DVDs and not the HK bootlegs [as you obviously did]).

      SPOILERS

      By that point, you've already been introduced to all of the characters, and have a good feel for all of their little quirks. But a few events in Disc 6 are a dead giveaway that the movie takes place before then. Specifically, "Big Shot" is cancelled during "Brain Scratch" and Ed leaves the Bebop at the end of "Hard Luck Woman".

      I don't know if there's an official stance from Bandai/Sunrise as far as when it takes place, but the general idea is around that point.

    2. Re:Great Movie by nule.org · · Score: 1
      Too bad you are AC - I'd be curious how I can tell what version is "offical" versus "bootleg". These things sure as hell look "official", not that a pirate isn't capable of making something look real, but what is a consumer supposed to do?

      Well, at any rate, I went to the video store and saw a price of $30 for 4 episodes or $30 for the whole set (26 eps) on eBay, supposedly new and legit. What would you do? I paid for and own all my music and that's a lot better than I can say for most of my friends. My apologies to the copyright owner if I bought an illegit copy, but go out and make the real thing cheaper and easier to find in this country and we'll talk.

    3. Re:Great Movie by mink · · Score: 1

      Nice of you to support piracy.
      At least your honest about it.
      To bad the people whose work you love didnt see a dime of the money you paid.

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    4. Re:Great Movie by mink · · Score: 1

      You are complaining about a cost of $30 (US I assume) for 4 episodes. shit man back in the day you were lucky to get 35 min of anime for $40 on VHS.

      You want to know why HK bootlegs are so cheap (entire series on a couple DVDs) is because they dont have to pay things like licensing or distro rights.

      Ameicans do not apreciate how much preogress has been made in the last 10 years. Your lucky we even have this kind of stuff comercialy available on DVD.
      How was it hard to find, you said right there you found it at the video store?

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    5. Re:Great Movie by nule.org · · Score: 1
      One DVD with 4 eps was at the video store. The entire series was no where to be found.

      What I think happens is that these are licensed copies, but just not for the American market. Like I can go to Canada and buy drugs for a tenth of the price in America, right? For example, the boxed set of Absolutely Fabulous is around $120 for the first three seasons in the US, but around $60 for all four from the UK (ebay, again). Is this pirated too? It doesn't seem too likely to me. Just priced for the market it is supposed to be sold in.

      Anyway, for better or worse these kinds of market pressures only help the consumer. In a perfect market economy there wouldn't be artificial barriers to pricing. Why would I pay $30 for 4 eps when I could get cable for a month for that price? So I'll buy it and assume it is legit until someone proves otherwise.

      But I do thank you for your reply. I'll make more of an effort in the future to double and triple check the authenticity of my purchase. I do want to support the artists who are creating the stuff that I enjoy.

    6. Re:Great Movie by mink · · Score: 1

      Well, I cant say for sure without seeing the packaging, but I can give you a link to a site that has information that can help you avoid unlicensed products while still being able to import. The Bootleg Guide

      Safest imports are from Region 2, but they will cost you more then domestic release stuff. Domestic, most stores never have an entire seties unless it's a box set, so mail order via the internet is most common IMO.

      Anipike is a great resorce for anime information as well as links to various places that sell anime worldwide.

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  68. As a St. Louis Patriot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Though I live in San Francisco now, I still consider myself a St. Louisianan and so must point out that St. Louis is the 18th largest city in the US (by metro-area population, not inner city population, which all major cities have been hemorraging for decades now). What's more St. Louis was the 3rd city to host an Olympic Games, and has one of the best universities in the nation, which means one of the best universities in the world.

  69. Defination Requested by Mr.+No+Skills · · Score: 1

    Anime topics seem to be posted frequently. Could someone post some quality links that explains what Anime is and how it differs from a cartoon?

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  70. simple, low quality voice acting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many of the early releases didn't have very good voice acting at all(kind of like early talking PC games). Also, some of the american actors voices can be kind of grating.

    Things have improved in recent years though.

    On a side note, watch starwars dubbed in japanese. you would swear you are watching anime, the stormtroopers/lacky guys sound the same as in anime, Darth Vader sounds like yakuza.

  71. Two words - running commentary by CaptainEcchi · · Score: 1
    Personally, I oft times prefer subs simply because I like to razz on whatever I'm watching (even if I love it! Especially if I love it! Nothing is better than mocking the flaws of a series you love!), and it's easier to read and talk than listen and talk, I find.

    I also agree with the poster who said the dub voices often sound cheesy.... yeah, they probably do in Japanese, too, but I am stupid gaijin who likes to hear people talking Japanese. It also feels vaguely educational that way, so that when I'm watching anime instead of doing Japanese homework, I can at least feel somewhat virtuous. Right? Right.

  72. On the itle change by melatonin · · Score: 1

    I was at the Anime Expo in New York last summer (which was during the premiere of Cowboy Bebop:TM) and was in the Q&A session with the director Shinchiro Watanbe and the music composer Yoko Kanno (and the character designer, forgot his name. Side note: I was in the same room with Yoko Kanno! woot!)

    The name was changed because it conflicted with Bob Dylan's song name. That's all. Rather than coming up with some other original title, Mr. Watanabe decided to use "The Movie."

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  73. WTF, this was released in 1986 by ZzeusS · · Score: 1

    Is this just an English translation? Explain why this is a big deal. The Cowboy Bebob movie has been available on DVD for years and years.

  74. Name Change sucks by Kaboom13 · · Score: 1

    All the Cowboy Bebop episodes have song titles for their name, and the song ussually finds its way into the episode. They could've at least kept it as a subtitle, seeing as how everyone will just call ti the Cowboy Bebop anyway. On another note, the movie is highly dissapointing when compared to the high standards of the episodes.

  75. Anime... by Alkaiser · · Score: 1

    Like the above comment says, anime's best when you watch it because it's good. If you're watching stuff because it has to have some deeper meaning, then you're the type of person that convinces themselves that shitty artsy movies are good just because they aren't well liked, or that popular movies suck just because other people do like them.

    Think of it as entertainment...it has styles. People like different styles, and this happens to be one that people here seem to like.

    However, I don't see why the Bebop movie's generating so much hype. The plot borrows so heavily from Stephenson's The Diamond Age that I knew what was going to happen 15-20 minutes into the movie. I'd rate this movie as being weaker than the good episodes of the series, and since it takes place before the end of the series, it doesn't resolve any of the questions at the end of the series.

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  76. Re:voices - in your head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Huh? It says "same voices as the Cartoon Network version", not "same voices as in Japan"

  77. Better in Houston? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have bigger cockroaches in Houston, too.

  78. Re:Title Changes Hey youngster @ Weiner.com by malthusan · · Score: 1

    I believe he's referring to the Philosopher's Stone which was sought by alchemists as a means to transmute base metals into gold and/or confer immortality on its holder. It has nothing whatsoever to do with philosophy (or Philosophy, for that matter).

  79. Re:Title Changes Hey youngster @ Weiner.com by Wiwi+Jumbo · · Score: 1

    Oh yes, I know the idea behind the Philosopher's Stone, but I don't get the idea of "acknowledging" alchemy...

    Like the states doesn't admit that Alchemy existed? (As in the practice, not that it actually worked. :)

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  80. Re:Fuck em by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks! :) Oh, YHBT, HAND

  81. Also out in Australia.. by Monkier · · Score: 1

    Check it out here: www.dendy.com.au

    1. Re:Also out in Australia.. by IrnMonkey · · Score: 1

      This is actually a different release of the Movie. I was lucky enough to see the preview a few weeks ago and it is the same as the print screened at the Anime Festival last year. Japanese language with reasonably poor english subs.

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  82. Faye is from Singapore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    To all you Faye fanatics out there, here's a little tidbit you might not have known. =P

    Faye is from Singapore, or at least she lived there sometime during her adolescence. In the episode where she receives a Betamax tape mailed by her younger self (before she was frozen), the tape shows scenes from a tropical country, at one point there is a waterfront shot of a statue of an animal that is half lion, half fish. That's a Singaporean merlion. The scene looks almost exactly like the mouth of the Singapore river, there's a big statue of the merlion there.

    The merlion appears too in the episode where Faye finds where she grew up. The scenery, architecture and landscape looks very much like Singapore.

  83. Re:Title Changes Hey youngster @ Weiner.com by malthusan · · Score: 1

    aha... I missed that entirely. color me chagrined.

  84. WRONG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As I stated elsewhere, it likely takes place right before Episode 23. While I don't think there is an EXACT episode of which its supposed to take place between, I know that episode 23 is pretty much the point of no return.

    Here's why:

    Episode 23, "Brain Scratch" has a segment of "Big Shot", the bounty-hunting show that you see every now and then. At the end of the episode (of Big Shot, not Brain Scratch), we're informed that the show has just been cancelled ("I'M CALLING MY AGENT!"). However, "Big Shot" is alive and well during the time of the movie, which pretty much invalidates the idea of it being anytime after #23.

  85. Re: CCS by AdamHaun · · Score: 1

    Er, excuse me. Card Captor Sakura is a very good show, whether or not you like it personally. Please don't lump it in with the nonstop fanservice set.

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  86. Re: CCS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    right on; cardcaptor sakura is great!

  87. Re:WTF is up with Dallas?, Montrose by boy_afraid · · Score: 1

    I used to live in Montrose, up until a month ago. Can't afford to buy a house there, so I got one in Inwood Forest (Northern side of Antoine). I LOVE MONTROSE! We hated leaving, but alas. Montrose is the BEST!