It's like asking a random "Christian" to justify and explain Westboro Baptist's behavior because they both think of themselves as "Christian" despite that term meaning vastly different things.
Close, but not quite. The difference is that "the assholes" in your example (WBC) aren't the only one setting dogma. Using the same metaphor, it's closer to you objecting to having "believing in the divinity of Christ" held against you, even though you don't, and you feel that calling yourself "Christian" just means "Being a decent person"
Feminism is not (just) a "philosophy", it's a proselytizing ideology: the goal is to bring people into their way of thinking, and that means that the way it's presented trumps dictionary definitions, trumps NAFALT, and trumps personal gnosis on what "feminism means". And as far as presentation goes, sorry, but the "assholes" are ruling that particular roost. "Mainstream" and/or "media" feminism is spawned in pits like Jezebel now, and I don't think anyone needs to be told how that sort of lot deals with being called on their bullshit.
So no, I don't think it's unreasonable at all, when someone claims the moniker of "feminism", to hold their tacit complicity against them.
I guess that's the message one would get if they only look at the noisy assholes, but that's fair, since they are noisy assholes and make a disproportionate amount of noise. Fact is, though, that most feminists are actually just advocating for human rights for all.
You might have a point, except for one large flaw in the "Not all feminists are that way" excuse that's so popular:
You don't get an "-ism", i.e. an ideology, and especially not a political ideology, from a single bullet point. And feminism is very much a political ideology. The "quieter members of said group" aren't contributing any tenets to the feminist ideology, they're just picking and choosing the parts they don't like and pretending it doesn't apply to them.
Meanwhile, the core of actual feminism still remains firmly rooted in the delusion of persecution that is the "patriarchy" model, and a perpetual sense of victimhood that says that society and law must be changed to give women the rights they are unable, as victims, to claim for themselves. (Didn't someone say something, once, about rights you're given vs. rights you take for yourself?).
If your "quieter members" don't want to be held to that fact, then it's really on them to be more picky about whose flag they choose to fly for the sake of having a convenient little brand-label to slap on themselves.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taking care of those who can't do it for themselves. Feed the hungry, help the helpless, etc. We could use more noble pursuits in this ignoble pit. So if you (the general "you") need to be taken care of at my expense, I'm actually all right with that, but once you cash that check, "equal" is out the window.
And if you (the same) want to claim that you're somehow owed that protection because I'm a terrible person and deserve to be punished and/or treated as a second-class citizen because of some imagined slight from your past, then fuck you very much.
"Derailing" is apparently the new term for pointing out inconsistency and hypocrisy. Not really surprising, ideologies love redefining words.
We get it. Women are precious, delicate snowflakes who have to be protected from harsh language and a world that is out to make a meal out of them, and society has to do it, because they're too fragile to do it for themselves.
Wait, what do you mean that's not the message feminism is trying to send? Could have fooled me.
While they may be the team that would exercise their hypocrisy by making that particular suggestion, it's only in expression that their hypocrisy differs from that of their "rivals," not intensity.
Silly submitter, "sexism" is just fine. It's just misogyny that's not allowed. When did the concept of "subset" fall so far from general understanding?
Ah well. Fark has been as relevant to me as Jezebel or Stormfront since about the turn of the century, so I'll just go on not giving a fuck.
Nah, he's right. When your skills get "sufficiently advanced" and your needs spread into the more esoteric corners of the house of horrors, you run into even more half-done, half-assed, all-broken aspects of the language.
To this day, I'm not quite sure what the point was in implementing an SSL API that has no way to check for certificate revocation (the whole point of certificate-based security)...
Debatable, the takeaway I had from the show was that the Psi-Corps was largely responsible for [Clark's rise to power].
Check out "Matters of Honor" (S03E01) and "Voices of Authority" (S03E05). At the end of the former, it's revealed that Morden (faceman for the Shadows) is conspiring with PsiCorps and members of the Senate. In the latter, the communication Ivanova intercepts reveals that the Shadows, via Morden again, set up the assassination.
I long thought that Sony should have gone enterprise with a very large screen (close to 8 1/2 x 11 as possible) for reading legal documents, documentation, and basically the size that every PDF is aimed at.
I wonder if my favorite bug/misfeature will make the cut and be enshrined forever, because it's *fun* when a successful database instruction throws an exception.
Oddly, it's not just from hibernation. After four years, I'm still having that same bug myself, and my desktop doesn't hibernate. I have to bounce the network interface to fix it.
I always assumed it had something to do with constantly having a VirtualBox VM running.
As far as I'm concerned, Privacy Badger is a non-starter for the same reason Adblock Plus is: Once you open the door to the idea that there are "legitimate" ad providers, you've blown your credibility.
Did you know that you can buy high end phones with Cyanogen as the default OS?
I didn't. Which phones? I've never been able to get a decent experience from cyanogen on a phone (My Nook color and tablet are a different matter) because the lack of the little "optimizations" individual to the phone models usually ends up breaking something like voicemail, battery life, or actually detecting a cell signal.
If someone's putting out an actual CM out of the box, I might want to have a look at it.
The downside to it, though, is that it doesn't extend to guests access your network.
It's a pretty simple perl script to translate the MVP list into a bind zone file, though. I do it once per week in a cron job on the local DNS. At least then, my sister-in-law whipping out her iPad after dinner doesn't give these scumbags a foothold in.
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It's like asking a random "Christian" to justify and explain Westboro Baptist's behavior because they both think of themselves as "Christian" despite that term meaning vastly different things.
Close, but not quite. The difference is that "the assholes" in your example (WBC) aren't the only one setting dogma. Using the same metaphor, it's closer to you objecting to having "believing in the divinity of Christ" held against you, even though you don't, and you feel that calling yourself "Christian" just means "Being a decent person"
Feminism is not (just) a "philosophy", it's a proselytizing ideology: the goal is to bring people into their way of thinking, and that means that the way it's presented trumps dictionary definitions, trumps NAFALT, and trumps personal gnosis on what "feminism means". And as far as presentation goes, sorry, but the "assholes" are ruling that particular roost. "Mainstream" and/or "media" feminism is spawned in pits like Jezebel now, and I don't think anyone needs to be told how that sort of lot deals with being called on their bullshit.
So no, I don't think it's unreasonable at all, when someone claims the moniker of "feminism", to hold their tacit complicity against them.
These aren't generally people you want to engage with - while there are plenty of nice individuals, the nuts rule the roost.
So basically, like every other online "community" (term used loosely. "Battleground" seems more fitting these days).
I guess that's the message one would get if they only look at the noisy assholes, but that's fair, since they are noisy assholes and make a disproportionate amount of noise. Fact is, though, that most feminists are actually just advocating for human rights for all.
You might have a point, except for one large flaw in the "Not all feminists are that way" excuse that's so popular:
You don't get an "-ism", i.e. an ideology, and especially not a political ideology, from a single bullet point. And feminism is very much a political ideology. The "quieter members of said group" aren't contributing any tenets to the feminist ideology, they're just picking and choosing the parts they don't like and pretending it doesn't apply to them.
Meanwhile, the core of actual feminism still remains firmly rooted in the delusion of persecution that is the "patriarchy" model, and a perpetual sense of victimhood that says that society and law must be changed to give women the rights they are unable, as victims, to claim for themselves. (Didn't someone say something, once, about rights you're given vs. rights you take for yourself?).
If your "quieter members" don't want to be held to that fact, then it's really on them to be more picky about whose flag they choose to fly for the sake of having a convenient little brand-label to slap on themselves.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taking care of those who can't do it for themselves. Feed the hungry, help the helpless, etc. We could use more noble pursuits in this ignoble pit. So if you (the general "you") need to be taken care of at my expense, I'm actually all right with that, but once you cash that check, "equal" is out the window.
And if you (the same) want to claim that you're somehow owed that protection because I'm a terrible person and deserve to be punished and/or treated as a second-class citizen because of some imagined slight from your past, then fuck you very much.
In what may be the most fitting use of the idiom, ever:
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
"Derailing" is apparently the new term for pointing out inconsistency and hypocrisy. Not really surprising, ideologies love redefining words.
We get it. Women are precious, delicate snowflakes who have to be protected from harsh language and a world that is out to make a meal out of them, and society has to do it, because they're too fragile to do it for themselves.
Wait, what do you mean that's not the message feminism is trying to send? Could have fooled me.
They're the only ones with the rank hypocrisy
Wow, you're delusional.
While they may be the team that would exercise their hypocrisy by making that particular suggestion, it's only in expression that their hypocrisy differs from that of their "rivals," not intensity.
Silly submitter, "sexism" is just fine. It's just misogyny that's not allowed. When did the concept of "subset" fall so far from general understanding?
Ah well. Fark has been as relevant to me as Jezebel or Stormfront since about the turn of the century, so I'll just go on not giving a fuck.
Are you my sister-in-law?
I've been trying for decades to get my mother to understand the difference between a kitchen freezer, and a cryostasis chamber...
In common practice against corporations, maybe, but there are absolutely criminal penalties to be had.
Nah, he's right. When your skills get "sufficiently advanced" and your needs spread into the more esoteric corners of the house of horrors, you run into even more half-done, half-assed, all-broken aspects of the language.
To this day, I'm not quite sure what the point was in implementing an SSL API that has no way to check for certificate revocation (the whole point of certificate-based security)...
HTML/CSS define content & presentation. They do not "program behaviour".
Back when I had to explain this to some students I was tutoring, I basically said that HTML and CSS aren't programming languages, they're input.
They seemed to understand it after that (they were, apparently, a lot sharper than what passes for slashdotters, these days)
The people who watched it have already extracted all of the joy they can
Not even close. I still pull it out every six months or so and spend a week re-watching it.
Debatable, the takeaway I had from the show was that the Psi-Corps was largely responsible for [Clark's rise to power].
Check out "Matters of Honor" (S03E01) and "Voices of Authority" (S03E05). At the end of the former, it's revealed that Morden (faceman for the Shadows) is conspiring with PsiCorps and members of the Senate. In the latter, the communication Ivanova intercepts reveals that the Shadows, via Morden again, set up the assassination.
I long thought that Sony should have gone enterprise with a very large screen (close to 8 1/2 x 11 as possible) for reading legal documents, documentation, and basically the size that every PDF is aimed at.
They did
I wonder if my favorite bug/misfeature will make the cut and be enshrined forever, because it's *fun* when a successful database instruction throws an exception.
Same story, with the addendum that my obvious lack of interest hasn't stopped them from spamming me every 3-6 months to try to sign up again.
It's urban black culture that disparages intellect.
It's hardly limited to that.
* The 20% of the country's land area called "the bible belt", especially the more rural chunks of it fit neatly into that box.
* Enough of the boob-tube watching population that it's a trope second only to "oafish husband-father/long-suffering wife-mother."
* All of Washington DC.
Had a Nexus 5 for about a week. Couldn't stand it. I'll keep an eye out for the OnePlus One, and keep my old Evo 4G alive until then. Thanks :)
GoG customer, are you?
Oddly, it's not just from hibernation. After four years, I'm still having that same bug myself, and my desktop doesn't hibernate. I have to bounce the network interface to fix it.
I always assumed it had something to do with constantly having a VirtualBox VM running.
All of which may be true (or not, anecdotes suck that way), and still don't change the fact that they're not programming languages.
As far as I'm concerned, Privacy Badger is a non-starter for the same reason Adblock Plus is: Once you open the door to the idea that there are "legitimate" ad providers, you've blown your credibility.
Did you know that you can buy high end phones with Cyanogen as the default OS?
I didn't. Which phones? I've never been able to get a decent experience from cyanogen on a phone (My Nook color and tablet are a different matter) because the lack of the little "optimizations" individual to the phone models usually ends up breaking something like voicemail, battery life, or actually detecting a cell signal.
If someone's putting out an actual CM out of the box, I might want to have a look at it.
These are showing up more often lately. Does slashdot even use any Bayesian content filtering?
The downside to it, though, is that it doesn't extend to guests access your network.
It's a pretty simple perl script to translate the MVP list into a bind zone file, though. I do it once per week in a cron job on the local DNS. At least then, my sister-in-law whipping out her iPad after dinner doesn't give these scumbags a foothold in.