I don't see why he had the right to use Intel's equipment (servers and associated hardware) to distribute his message. Granted, it's open to the public but that doesn't mean there is some right for anyone to use the equipment. The EFF said in an amicus brief
...Mr. Hamidi's state constitutional claim should prevail [over Intel's property rights] because Intel has opened its employee e-mail inboxes to the public. By voluntarily connecting its computer system to the Internet, Intel obviously wants to take advantage of the tremendous communicative power of cyberspace.
While I understand EFF's argument and it is persuasive I still tend to fall on Intel's side. Looking at Intel's web site policy it doesn't say "we reserve the right to restrict your access" or something similar. I don't know...it's a tough call. I'll have to think about it...
"stole"? No one said or implied "stole" or even tried to put the blame anywhere but on the shoulders of the companies in the US who sent the jobs overseas. The parent poster wrote, "And hiring someone from India for 35K to do the job of an American...". See, he wrote "hiring". That means those doing the hiring, i.e. American tech companies (by implication), are to blame.
He was not complaining. Please try to read what was written without your preconceptions.
Yes. The "dream of a social order" is not that of a world social order but an American social order. Hey, I'm a nationalist. If someone outside the US wants to "attain their fullest stature" more power to them, but if that opportunity costs someone in the US, e.g. through the loss of a job, then I'm not for it. Mind you, this is a gross oversimplification of the whole situation and is not some hard and fast rule.
I appreciate the time you put into your thoughtful response. This is a subject we could spend hours discussing in person and still end up where we were at the beginning. I will say that yes, I know where the inexpensive stuff comes from (and I do try to buy US made stuff where I can) and the American Dream quote says nothing about who gets what ("to each according to need"), but nice parting troll shot anyway.
uh, hello, he specifically singled out a one race (indian). If he had said nothing about indian developers then I wouldn't have had a problem with it
I say again...so what? Why is that racist? I'd say that most of the tech jobs lost overseas went to India. It sounds like the guy lost his job to outsourcing to an Indian firm. He was stating facts then. I'd appreciate it if you would look up the definition for "racist" (hyperlinked for your convenience) and then get back to me on how that post fits the definiton. Thanks.
Ah, so I don't live in America so screw me? "I'm all for everything being fair for everyone in the world, but only if they live in America?" Is that what you're saying? WTF??
Nationalism rules! W00t! Given a choice between keeping a job in the US and sending it out of the US...hmmm...I vote for keeping it in the US.
How did your ignorant response get modded insightful? What is racist about the parent post? Nothing.
Here's an explanation of the American Dream from the man who coined the term:
The American Dream is that dream of a land in which life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement. It is a difficult dream for the European upper classes to interpret adequately, and too many of us ourselves have grown weary and mistrustful of it. It is not a dream of motor cars and high wages merely, but a dream of social order in which each man and each woman shall be able to attain to the fullest stature of which they are innately capable, and be recognized by others for what they are, regardless of the fortuitous circumstances of birth or position. - James Truslow Adams
It's called the "American Dream" because it's the dream of a great America. It may be your "World Dream" that opportunities go to the lowest bidder but it's not mine and it's probably not the parent poster's. There's nothing wrong with wanting jobs (and dollars) to stay in this country. I'm all for people gaining their "fullest stature", but not at the expense of others.
I love the panicked tone of Michael's commentary. First, MS hasn't written any viruses that I'm aware of. Second, assuming he means that viruses targeting Windows "remain unchecked", I'd have to disagree. My virus scanner does a great job of stopping any virus that may show up in my inbox.
How do you know why they did what they did? You assume the worst but there may be other reasons. What they are I don't know, because I am not familiar with the patent process. It seems to me, though, that if they were delaying the patent for the reasons you state they were running some risk because their work would be uncovered.
If the reasons are as you suggest I'd think this would happen a lot more.
Are you usually pro-stupid-lawsuit or is this a "getting karma by appearing to buck the crowd" thing?
Are those my only two choices? Neither really fits...
Because dating patents from when they are finally approved is blatantly cheating the system.
What's wrong with this picture? Ah yes, "cheating the system". The "system" is to date patents from when they are approved, so how can the system be cheating by following its own rules?
If you had bothered to look at the patents you'd see they are actually 16 and 11 years old, respectively (or 18 and 12 years old if you go by the date of the application). Please do your research before responding next time.
It appears they didn't wait...it seems they've been fine tuning them for years (what, you didn't review the patents yourself?!?). From one of the patents:
This is a continuation-in-part of Ser. No. 592,968 filed 3/23/84 now U.S. Pat. No. 4,666,678 and a continuation of Ser. No. 737,446 filed 10/29/76 which is a continuation of Ser. No. 05/165,445 filed 7/26/71, now abandoned and a continuation-in-part of Ser. No. 05/012,082 filed 2/17/70, now abandoned which is a continuation-in-part of Ser. No. 04/710,518 filed 3/5/68 now U.S. Pat. No. 3,566,645 which is a continuation-in-part of Ser. No. 04/501,395 filed 10/22/65 (now U.S. Pat. No. 3,371,404) which is a continuation-in-part of Ser. No. 03/668,561 filed 6/27/57 abandoned.
Why? The patents don't appear to be of the obvious "one-click shopping" type and the holders are initiating the action (rather than some company that bought the rights, a la PanIP). Clearly the work took a lot of research and specialized knowlegde, and the researchers were granted a patent for their work.
Are you anti-patent in general or were you just exhibiting a typical slashdot knee-jerk response?
That's where some entrepreneur steps in and acts as an agent, aggregating like sites under one contact.
Hi, I'm Bob from stapler-ads.com. You're interested in advertising your new blue on red line, the "Milton"? Well I happen to know of a site that specializes in that very type.
Bob calls you and the deal is done. He takes a cut, you get some, and the Milton is a smash.
Sweet! Where I live I have to dial 10 digits no matter where I'm calling. I guess I'll have to upgrade my provider...over time those 3 extra numbers add up.
You got an "overrated"? Cranky ass dateless Friday night mods. You're post was damn funny. I'd mod you up if I had the points. I seem to be in perpetual meta-mod land these days...
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They're over here drinking my beer. Can someone come claim them? Thanks.
I don't see why he had the right to use Intel's equipment (servers and associated hardware) to distribute his message. Granted, it's open to the public but that doesn't mean there is some right for anyone to use the equipment. The EFF said in an amicus brief
While I understand EFF's argument and it is persuasive I still tend to fall on Intel's side. Looking at Intel's web site policy it doesn't say "we reserve the right to restrict your access" or something similar. I don't know...it's a tough call. I'll have to think about it...
the eagerly-awaited Netscape 7.1
Before I accept such an outrageous statement I'll need proof. Thank you.
As this is a new "extended format" comment you are now presented deleted scenes:
Don't make us cut off your F-18 parts supply (and who do you think you're fooling by painting cockpits on the bottom of the plane?)
(to the tune of O Christmas Tree) O Canada O Canada / How yummy is your bacon / I eat it each and every day / Along with toast and scrambled eggs...
Je Me Souviens this, punk.
"stole"? No one said or implied "stole" or even tried to put the blame anywhere but on the shoulders of the companies in the US who sent the jobs overseas. The parent poster wrote, "And hiring someone from India for 35K to do the job of an American...". See, he wrote "hiring". That means those doing the hiring, i.e. American tech companies (by implication), are to blame.
He was not complaining. Please try to read what was written without your preconceptions.
did you even read the quote which you posted?
Yes. The "dream of a social order" is not that of a world social order but an American social order. Hey, I'm a nationalist. If someone outside the US wants to "attain their fullest stature" more power to them, but if that opportunity costs someone in the US, e.g. through the loss of a job, then I'm not for it. Mind you, this is a gross oversimplification of the whole situation and is not some hard and fast rule.
I appreciate the time you put into your thoughtful response. This is a subject we could spend hours discussing in person and still end up where we were at the beginning. I will say that yes, I know where the inexpensive stuff comes from (and I do try to buy US made stuff where I can) and the American Dream quote says nothing about who gets what ("to each according to need"), but nice parting troll shot anyway.
uh, hello, he specifically singled out a one race (indian). If he had said nothing about indian developers then I wouldn't have had a problem with it
I say again...so what? Why is that racist? I'd say that most of the tech jobs lost overseas went to India. It sounds like the guy lost his job to outsourcing to an Indian firm. He was stating facts then. I'd appreciate it if you would look up the definition for "racist" (hyperlinked for your convenience) and then get back to me on how that post fits the definiton. Thanks.
Ah, so I don't live in America so screw me? "I'm all for everything being fair for everyone in the world, but only if they live in America?" Is that what you're saying? WTF??
Nationalism rules! W00t! Given a choice between keeping a job in the US and sending it out of the US...hmmm...I vote for keeping it in the US.
Hey, why not post using your nick next time, eh?
How did your ignorant response get modded insightful? What is racist about the parent post? Nothing.
Here's an explanation of the American Dream from the man who coined the term:
The American Dream is that dream of a land in which life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement. It is a difficult dream for the European upper classes to interpret adequately, and too many of us ourselves have grown weary and mistrustful of it. It is not a dream of motor cars and high wages merely, but a dream of social order in which each man and each woman shall be able to attain to the fullest stature of which they are innately capable, and be recognized by others for what they are, regardless of the fortuitous circumstances of birth or position. - James Truslow Adams
It's called the "American Dream" because it's the dream of a great America. It may be your "World Dream" that opportunities go to the lowest bidder but it's not mine and it's probably not the parent poster's. There's nothing wrong with wanting jobs (and dollars) to stay in this country. I'm all for people gaining their "fullest stature", but not at the expense of others.
'Microsoft, true to tradition, has focused on expanding its list of features, while Apple has worked toward elegance and simplicity.
Elegantly simple? Or elegant for simpletons? I'll take "expanded list of features" for $1000, Alex.
One of the features of Microsoft's offering is "works with almost any old Webcam". Apple's "requires a video camera with FireWire"
I like things that work. From the article it appears they both work equally well so the deciding factor will have to be...features.
Meanwhile, Microsoft viruses continue unchecked
I love the panicked tone of Michael's commentary. First, MS hasn't written any viruses that I'm aware of. Second, assuming he means that viruses targeting Windows "remain unchecked", I'd have to disagree. My virus scanner does a great job of stopping any virus that may show up in my inbox.
I suppose it's tough being the most popular OS...
Glad to be of service... Collapsible LCD
What the hell can you do without a monitor?
How do you know why they did what they did? You assume the worst but there may be other reasons. What they are I don't know, because I am not familiar with the patent process. It seems to me, though, that if they were delaying the patent for the reasons you state they were running some risk because their work would be uncovered.
If the reasons are as you suggest I'd think this would happen a lot more.
Are you usually pro-stupid-lawsuit or is this a "getting karma by appearing to buck the crowd" thing?
Are those my only two choices? Neither really fits...
Because dating patents from when they are finally approved is blatantly cheating the system.
What's wrong with this picture? Ah yes, "cheating the system". The "system" is to date patents from when they are approved, so how can the system be cheating by following its own rules?
If you had bothered to look at the patents you'd see they are actually 16 and 11 years old, respectively (or 18 and 12 years old if you go by the date of the application). Please do your research before responding next time.
It appears they didn't wait...it seems they've been fine tuning them for years (what, you didn't review the patents yourself?!?). From one of the patents:
This is a continuation-in-part of Ser. No. 592,968 filed 3/23/84 now U.S. Pat. No. 4,666,678 and a continuation of Ser. No. 737,446 filed 10/29/76 which is a continuation of Ser. No. 05/165,445 filed 7/26/71, now abandoned and a continuation-in-part of Ser. No. 05/012,082 filed 2/17/70, now abandoned which is a continuation-in-part of Ser. No. 04/710,518 filed 3/5/68 now U.S. Pat. No. 3,566,645 which is a continuation-in-part of Ser. No. 04/501,395 filed 10/22/65 (now U.S. Pat. No. 3,371,404) which is a continuation-in-part of Ser. No. 03/668,561 filed 6/27/57 abandoned.
As long as they're topless, bring them on! Maybe you can get this chick to join your army...she sounds like a barrel of fun...
Why? The patents don't appear to be of the obvious "one-click shopping" type and the holders are initiating the action (rather than some company that bought the rights, a la PanIP). Clearly the work took a lot of research and specialized knowlegde, and the researchers were granted a patent for their work.
Are you anti-patent in general or were you just exhibiting a typical slashdot knee-jerk response?
Then there's fading from sunlight to consider...
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+1 Nostalgia
Well done!
I've got no chance.
...to survive make your time.
All your rank are belong to us.
That's where some entrepreneur steps in and acts as an agent, aggregating like sites under one contact.
Hi, I'm Bob from stapler-ads.com. You're interested in advertising your new blue on red line, the "Milton"? Well I happen to know of a site that specializes in that very type.
Bob calls you and the deal is done. He takes a cut, you get some, and the Milton is a smash.
Links? Or are we supposed to search for them?
Sweet! Where I live I have to dial 10 digits no matter where I'm calling. I guess I'll have to upgrade my provider...over time those 3 extra numbers add up.
You're blind? How many fingers am I holding up? Wrong...it was 3. I guess you are blind...my apologies.
You got an "overrated"? Cranky ass dateless Friday night mods. You're post was damn funny. I'd mod you up if I had the points. I seem to be in perpetual meta-mod land these days...