Listen up, that's what we're talking about - there were some IPO shares available through e-trade. We're trying to find out if anyone got them. We're not talking about buying on the open market... ----
Just found out that E*Trade had 66,000 shares allocated. So, up to 660 people were lucky. I have not yet heard of anyone who did get lucky. Perhaps multi-millionaires don't hang out on Slashdot.... yet.:)
The beef this time is that since you have to buy 100 share lots, the letter-getters originally thought they would need $1300 minimum. Now that's looking like $3000. Big difference... it is unfortunate, but well... that's the market, I guess. Sucks for those with small pocketbooks.
It's interesting - this is a pretty gutsy move by VA, they really are betting that the Linux hype this week will continue, I guess. How big is their offering? They may actually get more out of their IPO than Red Hat did... ----
What I learned, though, is that you should not sell on a 500% gain.:) Not only did I lose out on the $75-$300 runup, but now I probably will not get in on the LNUX offering either (I didn't get the letter, and I'm probably blacklisted on E*Trade.)
The major reason Linux specifically and free source software in general is more robust and useful than proprietary software is because the authors WANTED to write it... Quality will suffer. Innovation will suffer.
Possibly - but I think that once the "hard work" is done with issuing the first release (with code of course, since we're talking about Red Hat) then that puts a lot of momentum behind the project. So yes, maybe you'll have "disgruntled Red Hat worker in her cube" (if there is such a thing...) releasing the first version, but then it's out there for all the people who didn't have time to do it from scratch, and the beauty of open source takes over...
Unless the initial design was fundamentally flawed, I think great software can still arise from a corporate-sponsored beginning. ----
Sure, but "rip" is an unfortunate choice of words. There may be some RIAA propaganda involved, but still - "rip" is awfully close to "rip off" while "extract" sounds like a much more reasonable thing to do. As in "extract for personal archiving purposes."
It just doesn't get the conversation off on the right foot when you say "I want to be able to rip copyrighted material under Linux." ----
The XFree86 Project has missed a few promised release dates in fall 1999, but we are very optimistic to be back on track for 3.3.6 and 3.9.17 to be released before the end of the year. Similarly, we expect XFree86-4.0 to be delayed by about two months and are aiming for a release in mid-Q1/2000. ----
Well, sure, there's no margin of error in the servers they count, but they're extrapolating the results to the entire web. They're essentially polling a sample of servers out there, and that can't be 100% accurate... right? ----
I just have to wonder, with an "increase of 1%" what the margin of error is - does this represent a real increase?
Also, how many of the sites in question are the Apache "Congratulations!" page when Apache is installed and enabled by default on various Linux distributions?
Is there anything that individual developers could do 2 years ago with Linux that they can't do now?
Yes, money will flow, and suits will get what they want, but how does that change the fundamental development environment for Linux? I'd argue that it's a superset of what it once was. Everything that used to be there still is, and there's a bunch of extra business stuff getting tacked on - take it or leave it. ----
I thought Sendmail, Inc. was already more or less corporate, with their own funding... also, quite established. I think it'd be cool to see some investment in Qmail (www.qmail.org) or PostFix (www.postfix.org) which are touted as more secure options...
Great that they might help with Mozilla - that makes all the sense in the world. We NEED a browser!:) ----
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Amen. If they want to be "the definitive destination for the Linux community" they should spend less time picking colors, and more time providing meaningful information. Especially things like archives of lists THEY host. I like Red Hat, but this kinda ticks me off.... ----
What is their distro up to now? $79 for the usual, $150 for the pro?
Yes, and $30 for the basic, and free via FTP. What's your point? They've made it pretty clear that they are selling their support, not selling the software. ----
On Quake III Arena's Status [Blue-9:05 PM EST] In addition to the clarification from Activision (next story) on Quake III Arena having not been officially declared gold yet, we received the following response from id Software CEO Todd Hollenshead regarding the game's completeness:
I think it's just a question of semantics. The "glass master" has not been made yet (one definition of "gold"), but the game is done on our end (another definition of "gold"). It does take some time to make and certify the actual master before beginning production and that's the process we're in right now. It is fair to say that it is highly unlikely that the game will be on store shelves this coming weekend due to the unique logistics of the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday week/weekend. As for a specific "shelf date", as indicated in my.plan, I'll let everyone know literally just as soon as I get a confirmed date.
Heh... if I remember the story correctly, it was before Doom came out - rumors were flying about what Id was working on, and someone created the hoax of "Smashing Pumpkins Into Small Piles Of Putrid Debris" - a rendered 3D full-VR multiplayer environment with AI bots and... you name it, it was gonna be it. Apparently quite a few people were taken in with this hoax.
Then, in a strange twist of events, someone actually went out an _coded_ SPISPOPD - only it was a lame 2d sprite game.:)
To honor the whole thing, "idspispopd" became a cheat code in Doom.
You argue that copyright law has nothing to do with the creation of art, and point out Linux as an example... but even the GPL'd code in Linux is copyrighted. I don't think the problem is with copyright in and of itself. It has more to do with how the copyright holder uses that copyright. Yes, the RIAA and MPAA use their copyrights to make vast sums of money and limit access to the material, but it doesn't have to be that way.
All the people attacking the concept of copyright would do well to back up and make sure they've got the right target in their sights. ----
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Listen up, that's what we're talking about - there were some IPO shares available through e-trade. We're trying to find out if anyone got them. We're not talking about buying on the open market...
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but we're talking about signing up for, and getting, the IPO offering price. We're not talking about buying it once it opens.
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Just found out that E*Trade had 66,000 shares allocated. So, up to 660 people were lucky. I have not yet heard of anyone who did get lucky. Perhaps multi-millionaires don't hang out on Slashdot.... yet. :)
.............................. 752,752 ....................................... 752,752 ................................... 66,000 ........................................... 66,000 ................................. 66,000 ........................... 66,000 ....................... 66,000 . 4,400,000
From Edgar Online:
Credit Suisse First Boston Corporation...................... 1,745,744
Deutsche Bank Securities Inc.
Hambrecht & Quist LLC....................................... 752,752
Lehman Brothers Inc.
Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc.
E*Offering Corp.
Invemed Associates LLC...................................... 66,000
Charles Schwab & Co., Inc.
SoundView Technology Group, Inc.
Wasserstein Perella Securities, Inc.
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Nope, didn't sign up. You mean you just put in your email? Are you running a project? *sigh*
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Really? I didn't think E*Trade had the F&F deal going...?
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Nope.
:)
Put in for 100, got 0.
Now, this may be due in part to the fact that I sold my RHAT within 5 days of the IPO. I thought that 500% was a good gain. Silly me.
Now I'm probably blacklisted at E*Trade, to boot.
Well, what's $27,000 anyway - right?
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Well, perhaps there is room for shennanigans.
The beef this time is that since you have to buy 100 share lots, the letter-getters originally thought they would need $1300 minimum. Now that's looking like $3000. Big difference... it is unfortunate, but well... that's the market, I guess. Sucks for those with small pocketbooks.
It's interesting - this is a pretty gutsy move by VA, they really are betting that the Linux hype this week will continue, I guess. How big is their offering? They may actually get more out of their IPO than Red Hat did...
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You could have indicated interest E*Trade in lots of 100 shares - but it's a lottery system, and it's over. And E*Trade's site is down in any case. :/
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It's a done deal. Closed today at $60 and change, I think.
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Nah. People probably learned the first time.
:) Not only did I lose out on the $75-$300 runup, but now I probably will not get in on the LNUX offering either (I didn't get the letter, and I'm probably blacklisted on E*Trade.)
:)
What I learned, though, is that you should not sell on a 500% gain.
Ah well. Just money, right?
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Possibly - but I think that once the "hard work" is done with issuing the first release (with code of course, since we're talking about Red Hat) then that puts a lot of momentum behind the project. So yes, maybe you'll have "disgruntled Red Hat worker in her cube" (if there is such a thing...) releasing the first version, but then it's out there for all the people who didn't have time to do it from scratch, and the beauty of open source takes over...
Unless the initial design was fundamentally flawed, I think great software can still arise from a corporate-sponsored beginning.
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Sure, but "rip" is an unfortunate choice of words. There may be some RIAA propaganda involved, but still - "rip" is awfully close to "rip off" while "extract" sounds like a much more reasonable thing to do. As in "extract for personal archiving purposes."
It just doesn't get the conversation off on the right foot when you say "I want to be able to rip copyrighted material under Linux."
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From XFree's website:
Short delay in releases
[December 1999]
The XFree86 Project has missed a few promised release dates in fall 1999, but we are very optimistic to be back on track for 3.3.6 and 3.9.17 to be released before the end of the year. Similarly, we expect XFree86-4.0 to be delayed by about two months and are aiming for a release in mid-Q1/2000.
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Well, sure, there's no margin of error in the servers they count, but they're extrapolating the results to the entire web. They're essentially polling a sample of servers out there, and that can't be 100% accurate... right?
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I just have to wonder, with an "increase of 1%" what the margin of error is - does this represent a real increase?
:)
Also, how many of the sites in question are the Apache "Congratulations!" page when Apache is installed and enabled by default on various Linux distributions?
Not to be a wet blanket - just wondering.
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Seriously -
Is there anything that individual developers could do 2 years ago with Linux that they can't do now?
Yes, money will flow, and suits will get what they want, but how does that change the fundamental development environment for Linux? I'd argue that it's a superset of what it once was. Everything that used to be there still is, and there's a bunch of extra business stuff getting tacked on - take it or leave it.
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I thought Sendmail, Inc. was already more or less corporate, with their own funding... also, quite established. I think it'd be cool to see some investment in Qmail (www.qmail.org) or PostFix (www.postfix.org) which are touted as more secure options...
:)
Great that they might help with Mozilla - that makes all the sense in the world. We NEED a browser!
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Amen. If they want to be "the definitive destination for the Linux community" they should spend less time picking colors, and more time providing meaningful information. Especially things like archives of lists THEY host. I like Red Hat, but this kinda ticks me off....
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I thought that "Open Source" _was_ trademarked... or did that fall through?
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Yes, and $30 for the basic, and free via FTP. What's your point? They've made it pretty clear that they are selling their support, not selling the software.
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You left one out - tech-clueless gift-giver paying retail.
"Cool, a CD-RW!"
"Yep, got the last one at Sears!"
"Sears? You mean you paid $399.99 for this? You could have gotten it at Buy.com for... oh.. never mind. Thank you!"
:)
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On Quake III Arena's Status [Blue-9:05 PM EST] In addition to the clarification from Activision (next story) on Quake III Arena having not been officially declared gold yet, we received the following response from id Software CEO Todd Hollenshead regarding the game's completeness:
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If you want to play it, it's here. Dunno if it works under dosemu. :)
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Heh... if I remember the story correctly, it was before Doom came out - rumors were flying about what Id was working on, and someone created the hoax of "Smashing Pumpkins Into Small Piles Of Putrid Debris" - a rendered 3D full-VR multiplayer environment with AI bots and ... you name it, it was gonna be it. Apparently quite a few people were taken in with this hoax.
:)
Then, in a strange twist of events, someone actually went out an _coded_ SPISPOPD - only it was a lame 2d sprite game.
To honor the whole thing, "idspispopd" became a cheat code in Doom.
That is, if I remember correctly.
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You argue that copyright law has nothing to do with the creation of art, and point out Linux as an example... but even the GPL'd code in Linux is copyrighted. I don't think the problem is with copyright in and of itself. It has more to do with how the copyright holder uses that copyright. Yes, the RIAA and MPAA use their copyrights to make vast sums of money and limit access to the material, but it doesn't have to be that way.
All the people attacking the concept of copyright would do well to back up and make sure they've got the right target in their sights.
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