In the States, you've got all kinds of wankers driving 4-abreast and not passing, with 1/4 mile of clear road in front of them. You have to tailgate and honk to break of those stupid formations sometimes. Idiots.
Even worse are the assholes who think you're not passing someone fast enough, tailgate you and honk, so they can rush up behind the guy in front of you and do the same thing, all the way to their destination.
The iPad is probably worse than using the built-in navigation system in terms of privacy. Because it's your iPad it's fairly certain that you are the one it tracks, and that data can be tied to your Apple ID. IOS used to log your location too, not sure if they turned that off after the scandal broke.
The navigation system in your car at least gives you deniability. It's part of the car, anyone with access to the keys could have made a given journey. Shared vehicles make the data less valuable too, as advertisers want information on individuals.
iPads can be considered just as multi-user as cars. In fact, since no key is required to move it, even more so. There's no indication of what or who is making it travel in excess of the speed limit.
they probably could just extract when physically connected, but the delay in the data may erase a lot of the value. I am thinking they could use a scaled down transmit plan by default, and just let the data trickle out... think SMS vs. voice . If users purchase the full data transmit plan then it becomes cheaper to run the fleet for the manufacturer. This all depends on the willingness and value that this connection could provide, but if the kindle can give free 3g, then I think a car can find the cash to pay for a small occasional transfer.
But don't you essentially need a phone number for every car with this ability?
Even if it's there, they're not going to waste bandwidth on someone not paying the monthly fee for service.
Interesting point, but I guess it depends on the business model. Google spends billions on features that they give away for free in order to gather data about the users. Why wouldn't a car company spend a few cents on bandwidth to gather data?
A few cents? Wish I could get a cell phone plan that only cost a few cents for data.
I think the issue is that the "radio" is now the same capabilities as your phone/tablet. You get the radio, voice commands to control songs, possibly even certain car features, and the maps feature is built right in, just like on your phone. The choice is being built out of the available options as that is the primary control of the interior features.
But the ability to transmit the data (e.g. OnStar) is a data plan. Don't buy it. I suppose they could store it locally and extract it when you go in for maintenance, though.
This is fine for avoiding Ford's intrusiveness, but now you're giving Google access to all your travel data.
Um, no. I use an app on my iPad that has downloaded maps. No data plan on my iPad. Admittedly, the app provider could transmit home when I connect to WiFi.
I agree with you as far as saving money, but it's no solution for privacy. Do you not realize that just carrying a cellphone (even if you don't use maps, and even it doesn't have GPS) gives your carrier a record of where you've been, how fast you travelled, etc.? Granted the precision is somewhat less than GPS.
Somewhat less? Using cell-tower tracking is not going to get you speed information that is of any use.
1. Are you more or less worried about Ford tracking you than you are about Google, Apple, or Nokia?
2. You do not have a choice in all but the most basic Fords. You get the GPS capability whether you have the Nav interface or not. You don't have to pay for the extra convenience features, and you won't get them, but that doesn't mean that Ford doesn't have the capability to monitor the system. By the way it isn't just Ford. GM has had OnStar for quite a while now. It comes in most cars whether you want it or not. In the past the owner could disconnect the OnStar module, but eventually it will be integrated into something else like the combined Radio/Navigation/Environmental control system.
Even if it's there, they're not going to waste bandwidth on someone not paying the monthly fee for service.
If it's an option, sure. GM started including OnStar by default a while back.
Yeah, but OnStar is a service with a monthly payment. If you don't want it, don't pay it. They're not going to waste bandwidth on you if you're not paying.
GPS receivers are cheap enough they could actually just incorporate it in with the rest of the car's electronics and only install the stuff that lets you use it if you buy the option. Hell seeing as how cheap cell phones are they could include the ability for it to phone home periodically to relay your driving history even if you don't buy that option.
My favored solution would be to find the GPS unit and then disable the antenna that it uses in a temporary fashion.
Do you really think they would pay for cell phone service for every car? Seems doubtful.
The first thing I'll be doing is hunting around with ball-peen hammer for the GPS module.
The end.
So you paid for an overpriced navigation system with a communications channel and then you go destroy it? Just don't buy the GPS system in the first place.
I, an active professor and research scientist, drive a 1982 Dodge Ram Pickup. No tracking, no disconnect, easy to work on engine. I will keep this baby going for the rest of my life, and no company will be tracking my whereabouts. (So long as I remember to turn off my cell phone, which I usually do.)
Even my 2014 Honda Pilot can't track me - I didn't pay them for an overpriced navigation system when I have one on my iPad. And I don't have a data plan with my iPad (I use a nav program with downloaded maps), so no one is tracking me.
Easier solution: don't pay for overpriced features in a car: navigation & communications systems. WTF would I pay for a nav system in a car when I have one on my phone or tablet?
Dogs are pack animals. What if this behavior developed as a way of making sure they were all at right angles to each other when they stopped to defecate as a way to watch for predators from all sides?
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The idea is that without helmets, players would become much more averse to hitting their heads on things
Assuming NFL players have sufficient brains to start with.
In the States, you've got all kinds of wankers driving 4-abreast and not passing, with 1/4 mile of clear road in front of them. You have to tailgate and honk to break of those stupid formations sometimes. Idiots.
Even worse are the assholes who think you're not passing someone fast enough, tailgate you and honk, so they can rush up behind the guy in front of you and do the same thing, all the way to their destination.
The iPad is probably worse than using the built-in navigation system in terms of privacy. Because it's your iPad it's fairly certain that you are the one it tracks, and that data can be tied to your Apple ID. IOS used to log your location too, not sure if they turned that off after the scandal broke.
The navigation system in your car at least gives you deniability. It's part of the car, anyone with access to the keys could have made a given journey. Shared vehicles make the data less valuable too, as advertisers want information on individuals.
iPads can be considered just as multi-user as cars. In fact, since no key is required to move it, even more so. There's no indication of what or who is making it travel in excess of the speed limit.
It was being towed in gear with the passenger in the front seat? (cars can sense when there is someone sitting in the seat).
No, that was my bag of groceries in the front seat. I can't believe that driver towed my car in gear!
Your innocence is just so charming.
Your smugness isn't.
they probably could just extract when physically connected, but the delay in the data may erase a lot of the value. I am thinking they could use a scaled down transmit plan by default, and just let the data trickle out... think SMS vs. voice . If users purchase the full data transmit plan then it becomes cheaper to run the fleet for the manufacturer. This all depends on the willingness and value that this connection could provide, but if the kindle can give free 3g, then I think a car can find the cash to pay for a small occasional transfer.
But don't you essentially need a phone number for every car with this ability?
I'm pretty sure the car reports whether or not the car was on or off when it was moving...
Oh, yeah. It was being towed because I locked the door with the keys in and the car running.
Out on the freeway it certainly can.
Perhaps technically possible, however completely impractical.
Even if it's there, they're not going to waste bandwidth on someone not paying the monthly fee for service.
Interesting point, but I guess it depends on the business model. Google spends billions on features that they give away for free in order to gather data about the users. Why wouldn't a car company spend a few cents on bandwidth to gather data?
A few cents? Wish I could get a cell phone plan that only cost a few cents for data.
I think the issue is that the "radio" is now the same capabilities as your phone/tablet. You get the radio, voice commands to control songs, possibly even certain car features, and the maps feature is built right in, just like on your phone. The choice is being built out of the available options as that is the primary control of the interior features.
But the ability to transmit the data (e.g. OnStar) is a data plan. Don't buy it. I suppose they could store it locally and extract it when you go in for maintenance, though.
This is fine for avoiding Ford's intrusiveness, but now you're giving Google access to all your travel data.
Um, no. I use an app on my iPad that has downloaded maps. No data plan on my iPad. Admittedly, the app provider could transmit home when I connect to WiFi.
I agree with you as far as saving money, but it's no solution for privacy. Do you not realize that just carrying a cellphone (even if you don't use maps, and even it doesn't have GPS) gives your carrier a record of where you've been, how fast you travelled, etc.? Granted the precision is somewhat less than GPS.
Somewhat less? Using cell-tower tracking is not going to get you speed information that is of any use.
1. Are you more or less worried about Ford tracking you than you are about Google, Apple, or Nokia?
2. You do not have a choice in all but the most basic Fords. You get the GPS capability whether you have the Nav interface or not. You don't have to pay for the extra convenience features, and you won't get them, but that doesn't mean that Ford doesn't have the capability to monitor the system. By the way it isn't just Ford. GM has had OnStar for quite a while now. It comes in most cars whether you want it or not. In the past the owner could disconnect the OnStar module, but eventually it will be integrated into something else like the combined Radio/Navigation/Environmental control system.
Even if it's there, they're not going to waste bandwidth on someone not paying the monthly fee for service.
If it's an option, sure. GM started including OnStar by default a while back.
Yeah, but OnStar is a service with a monthly payment. If you don't want it, don't pay it. They're not going to waste bandwidth on you if you're not paying.
GPS receivers are cheap enough they could actually just incorporate it in with the rest of the car's electronics and only install the stuff that lets you use it if you buy the option. Hell seeing as how cheap cell phones are they could include the ability for it to phone home periodically to relay your driving history even if you don't buy that option.
My favored solution would be to find the GPS unit and then disable the antenna that it uses in a temporary fashion.
Do you really think they would pay for cell phone service for every car? Seems doubtful.
If Ford knows people are committing crimes, aren't they legally required to report it, otherwise they become an accessory..?
I wasn't breaking the law - it was that tow-truck operator taking me to work. Yeah, that happens a lot, too.
The first thing I'll be doing is hunting around with ball-peen hammer for the GPS module.
The end.
So you paid for an overpriced navigation system with a communications channel and then you go destroy it? Just don't buy the GPS system in the first place.
I, an active professor and research scientist, drive a 1982 Dodge Ram Pickup. No tracking, no disconnect, easy to work on engine. I will keep this baby going for the rest of my life, and no company will be tracking my whereabouts. (So long as I remember to turn off my cell phone, which I usually do.)
Even my 2014 Honda Pilot can't track me - I didn't pay them for an overpriced navigation system when I have one on my iPad. And I don't have a data plan with my iPad (I use a nav program with downloaded maps), so no one is tracking me.
Don't buy ford.
Easier solution: don't pay for overpriced features in a car: navigation & communications systems. WTF would I pay for a nav system in a car when I have one on my phone or tablet?
Why floss after brushing, as opposed to before? I prefer before so that any residue is washed away.
Which is: masturbation.
Clippy says, "You seem to be taking a long time to come. Would you like a more explicit porn website?"
Dogs are pack animals. What if this behavior developed as a way of making sure they were all at right angles to each other when they stopped to defecate as a way to watch for predators from all sides?
Pack animals do not all poop simultaneously.
Spend as much work time as possible developing your personal projects. Just don't let them know about it.
According to my Nike Fuel Band, I just masturbated two miles.
If you like the place you do business with, why not pay what you owe them?
But what if you only like them because they undercharge you?