I played the demo on steam, thought it was pretty good, and went to buy it in the UK. And it's not available in my region. And the website is down (presumably from a slashdotting), so no direct download either.
On the other hand, there's copies available right now for free by various piracy means.
Well you dedicate 68% of your discretionary federal budget to blowing things up and killing people. It's only $799 billion, twice as much as you spend on medicare. Perhaps a slight middle ground to avoid bankrupting sick people would be in order?
I just wanted to thank you. You might just be arguing a troll, but you're doing so using the tools of science and well-informed reasoned debate using points non-biologists can follow easily. I for one learned a couple of new arguments against such dangerous mal-information. So.. thank you.
"It's denial, and it's an important part of voluntary human relations. It simply doesn't matter if racism is behind it. Forcing doctors to perform procedures on black people against the will of the doctor is slavery."
Pharmacists aren't doctors, but that isn't particularly relevent. It's not slavery because the pharmacist has a choice to go and do something else. He will also get paid for serving a morning-after pill just like everything else. Most of us don't cry over the loss of a bar-owner's "right" not to serve black people or women.
As a society, we consider the greater good of civil rights legislation, that all people shall be treated equally to be greater than the ability of a bigot to refuse service to those he dislikes.
If the bigot doesn't like that? He's entirely welcome to go do something else that doesn't offend his bigoted sensibilities.
Or you know, I don't feel like serving any customers today. But I should still be employed, and get paid the same as my co-worker. It's just my religion says I'm not allowed to talk to anybody who isn't also in my religion, in case they corrupt my immortal soul. So I'll be out back, watching TV. But I have the right not to serve any customers dammit, and you can't fire me! My religion says so, and firing me for slacking off would be making me a SLAVE!
Constant bombardment via the media about how ID cards and cameras and online databases will catch illegal immigrants, terrorists and criminals, with the occasional 'think of the children' thrown in with regards child pornography.
Combine that with general public apathy and an acceptance of the false maxim 'I've nothing to hide (because I'm not a criminal), therefore nothing to fear from police looking at everything I do'
In the main though, many people just don't really care - it's all 'computer mumbo jumbo' and they don't think it applies to THEM. Until their details get left on the 8:12 to waterloo, anyway.
I have heard that tomato is good, but the hardware support is limited; I'm using a lot of WRT160N's with dd-wrt, but there's no 802.11n support in tomato at all unfortunately, or I'd test it out.
To match anecdotes, I've been using the v24 dd-wrt software on a variety of routers for about 6 months so far, and not had a single problem; ubuntu torrents work fine. But as you say, YMMV.
I'm a big fan of the linksys WRT160Nv1 with dd-wrt. Just flash with the mini_generic firmware first (to fit inside the stock firmware upload size limit), then you can use dd-wrt itself to install a standard one if you want; I prefer vpn_generic personally, but mini_generic is pretty good on its own.
The WRT160N a single radio 2.4GHz 802.11n router, and it's almost as cheap as the WRT54GL. There is also the WRT310N which is almost identical to the WRT160N, but it has a Gbit switch inbuilt instead of a 100Mb switch - I've not tried this yet as the hardware isn't available in the UK, but I'll be probably switching to that as my standard when it does.
If you want dual-band dual radio support (i.e. 2.4Ghz + 5Ghz), there's the WRT600Nv1 - it is mostly supported under dd-wrt. The v1.1 is a work in progress, but there is support using the TNG firmware. Definitely read up the forum post before going this route though.
FTA, I think you're going to be disappointed on both counts I'm afraid. The first thing you have to do is create an avatar which is then used prominently on the 'my xbox' and 'friends' pages - the friends list is now replaced by a collection of avatars.
From the sounds of it, the advertising is going to get even worse and more pushy and in-your-face. I wish there was a 'xbox live' proxy we could install that would filter out the ad images from the rest of the content. Hmm. I might try forcing it through a proxy anyway to see what it's doing, but I bet it's done over https.
How much extra in-your-face advertising there's going to be is useful (albeit depressing) info, and that the guide is basically the old dashboard is also handy to know.
Installing to disc though; I just did the 120GB own-HDD hack in preparation. I'm not worried so much about loading speed, as making the goddamn DVD drive quieter when playing.
I read the paper article this morning. They had two groups of older people - those who grew up watching colour television, and those who didn't. Those who grew up with colour reported dreaming in B&W about 5% of the time, same as the young people who grew up with colour. The older people who grew up with B&W TV reported dreaming in B&W 25% of the time.
Now, you can argue that watching colour TV in our formative years alters how we perceive dreams once we've just woken up from them, rather than the dreams themselves - even the researched admits that.
the government will think something's up and may outlaw private encryption
Not quite that far, but they did make it illegal to fail to handover encryption keys on demand. Fail to do so, and it's 2 years in prison, or 5 years if you're suspected of being a pedophile. No evidence required that anything is in the encrypted files, or even that doing so would breach your right to not self-incriminate. Hell, they only need a reasonable suspicion that you even have the keys in the first place.
Genetically though, there's very little correlation between eduction or intelligence of the parents and the fitness of their children. Put bluntly, smart people can have thick children, and thick parents can produce a genius, genetically speaking.
It's not like poorly educated people having lots of children is going to dumb down the genetic stock! However, those children are likely to be poorly educated too due to living in the same society that didn't educate their parents - which is a social problem, and fixable by social means.
There's often an association by americans between poor=badly educated=stupid, none of which are auomatically true.
People didn't drop dead at 40 when they were hunter gatherers any more than they do now. What has changed significantly is life expectancy as babies and 70+ due to medical advances. Survival rates when giving birth have also gone up sharply. Some of our biggest killers - cars and environmental cancers (i.e. smoking related lung cancer, liver issues from alcoholism, pollution) wouldn't have been an issue.
If you made it past 5, you had a reasonable chance of making it to old age, even if your retirement would likely be shorter than ours currently. It's also worth pointing out that puberty was much later than now, often into the 20's due to unreliable nutrition.
Yes, but pages sent in the clear are definitely capable of being sniffed by anyone in arpspoof or mitm range. self-signed pages are only possibly being sniffed by someone actively trying to break in from the start.
Nobody is saying that self-signed certificates should be elevated to the same level as properly signed certs, you do need a clear UI difference between in-the-clear, self-signed and recognised- CA-signed.
Self-signed cert sites should not be substantially more difficult and annoying to visit than unsigned sites. There's a lot of mailing list servers out there self-signed, and a lot of web-based management pages for hardware that are self-signed. Expecting all of them to go and spend money on a needless CA cert - especially since it really has to be one IP per site - just to shut firefox up is arrogant and misguided.
I switched from netscape to mozilla, then to phoenix. I've been a firefox advocate for a very long time, and even I'm starting to look at alternative browsers as a result of this issue. I use 4 or 5 machines regularly (plus a whole other bunch occasionally), and having to add manually every single fecking site every fecking time is becoming a real pain in the ass.
When HUGE taxpayer expenditures like this are voted through and signed into law in less than a week, despite 3 out of 4 Americans being strongly against them - it's clear we no longer live in a Democracy at all!
You don't live in a democracy. You live in a republic. This means that rather than bending to the tyranny of the majority every time, your representatives - that you elect - make the decision that's best for their constituents even if a majority of the constituents think it's a bad idea at the time. Of course, a representative that does that too much risks losing his seat. The whole point of a republic is that the representatives can act on the bigger picture that sometimes is missed by the masses. Whether they actually accomplish that is another question.
The bailout is a necessary evil, or the pain in the long term due to damage to the wider economy will be much greater. Even if it is somewhat rewarding special interests and people who richly deserve prosecutions for fraud rather than bonuses, the longer term impact will hopefully stop the rot, and reduce the coming recession. Many business cannot function without lines of credit for day-to-day operations and growing their business. The credit crunch will cause more of them to fail, and that will cost jobs. Jobs lost, more mortgage defaults, and more credit restrictions. Getting the international money market working again is of key importance to the global economy, or we'll all pay even more than we're going to anyway. This is true whether the average american believes it or not.
Passports are issued by the country of origin, and visa stanps are added. There's no requirement to carry a passport once in-country.
ID cards are controlled and issued by the UK government, with a lot more information required - such as home address. This can then be stored in a giant database, and all interactions with local and national government can be recorded against this database. It is likely they will be made mandatory to carry at all times.
They'll not be issued to EU citizens yet, as EU law prevents any measures being used on EU citizens that are not also used for domestic citizens.
This is a trial run against people who already have to have extensive paperwork for visas, in order to track and identify them far more easily than is currently possible with the paper based system. The end-goal is to issue them to all British citizens, and most likely resident EU citizens too, and make them mandatory to carry as the (much simpler, non constant-database) IDs often are on the continent.
ID cards are planned to be merged into passport issuing, so that when you get a reissued British passport with more details and biometrics on it, you'll get an ID card too whether you want one or not. The next step will be to make ID cards mandatory, as passports are not.
The current investigatative procedures are sloppy at best, and downright criminal at worst. There's plenty of opportunity for them to make mistakes in identifying people who are sharing copyrighted material, and the industry associations representing the big media companies have certainly made them. Making it easier for them to seize people's hardware and potentially slap them with huge court costs and even massively punative judgements on very flimsy evidence is a bad step in the wrong direction.
Even if they do get the correct IP for the timeframe, and the material being shared was copyrighted by the person looking - something they have failed at repeatedly - there's no guarantee the person they name is responsible. Whether it's hacked wireless, children or even friends of children, there's plenty of times already where they, and the laws they've used, have been wrong.
Innocent people are being targeted too, and in large numbers. Making it easier for them to be put through the wringer, to try and get a grip on something that no law is going to stop other people doing, is wrong plain and simple.
A few years back, Mandrake merged a kernel patch in their new release that would accidentally brick certain LG CDROM drives using old firmware versions when it checked if it had writing capabilities. This was largely LG's fault for re-using a valid command code to mean 'start flashing me now' instead, and of course, no firmware was then forthcoming, leaving the drive in an unusable state.
LG ended up replacing old affected drives, and the kernel patch was rewritten. Mandrake bore the brunt of the reputation hit though for quite a while, which I suspect will happen to SuSE.
The e1000e driver is the new one for pci-e based intel pro 1000 chipsets, with the old pci and pci-x cards unaffected with the original e1000 driver. Still, that's going to be quite a lot of cards affected.
DRM on pc games has very little to do with stopping piracy, they're not THAT stupid. It's easy enough to make casual 'here mate, have a copy of this' rare without the huge level of measures affecting users. If anything, these measure are indeed pushing people to work out how to find torrents and CD cracks.
No, it's about locking in legitimate customers, and killing the doctrine of first sale. Copyright infringers are not buyers, and likely never would have been. However, someone that buys a USED copy from a gamestore or ebay is a demonstrable purchaser, though possibly one waiting for a reduced price.
Limited activations with proof of purchase required to get extra activations pretty much kills the second hand market stone dead. And those buyers who would have bought from ebay end up buying it new, or waiting for the discount re-release. Either way, the publisher gets the money, and people end up stuck with shelves-full of old games they're bored with but can't sell.
Console gamers shouldn't be too smug neither. PC games only had is-this-a-real-disc-DRM for a long time, then moved to the limited total online activations, tied to one account. Wii virtual console? games are tied to one console. XBox360 arcade? Tied to one console and one account.
Want to bet the next version of the XBox ties individual game discs to a particular live account upon first use? Maybe you get to use it with 3 live accounts, then bing, you need to buy a new disc.
DRM is working very well indeed. It's just a different purpose than they claim it's for.
Some countries allow people who were not born in a country to become a citizen. Obama was born in Hawaii - in the US, making him a natual born US citizen. He then also became a citizen of Kenya automatically when it gained independance from the UK in 1963, due to his father being Kenyan and Obama being 2 years old. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya. is on llth December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall. if his father becomes. or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1). become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December. 1963.
Then he lost that citizenship of Kenya when he turned 21, as being a dual-citizen, he did not renounce his US citizenship and choose to become Kenyan. A person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a citizen of Kenya and also a citizen of some country other than Kenya shall, subject to subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the case of a person who was born outside Kenya. made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.
He does not need to renounce his Kenyan citizenship as he doesn't have one. This meme is getting old and you do yourself no favours by repeating it. It's getting as bad as that horsehit about McCain not being a natual born citizen because he was born on an airbase in Panama, when the Canal Zone was a US territory at the time.
How about you guys elect someone based on his policies and whether they matter to you, rather than spreading bullshit falsehoods to try and win by dirty tricks and character assassination of the other guy? I'm looking at both sides here.
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I played the demo on steam, thought it was pretty good, and went to buy it in the UK. And it's not available in my region. And the website is down (presumably from a slashdotting), so no direct download either.
On the other hand, there's copies available right now for free by various piracy means.
Sigh. Staying honest is *really* tough sometimes.
Well you dedicate 68% of your discretionary federal budget to blowing things up and killing people. It's only $799 billion, twice as much as you spend on medicare. Perhaps a slight middle ground to avoid bankrupting sick people would be in order?
I just wanted to thank you. You might just be arguing a troll, but you're doing so using the tools of science and well-informed reasoned debate using points non-biologists can follow easily. I for one learned a couple of new arguments against such dangerous mal-information. So.. thank you.
Ok, try this one on for size.
"It's denial, and it's an important part of voluntary human relations. It simply doesn't matter if racism is behind it. Forcing doctors to perform procedures on black people against the will of the doctor is slavery."
Pharmacists aren't doctors, but that isn't particularly relevent. It's not slavery because the pharmacist has a choice to go and do something else. He will also get paid for serving a morning-after pill just like everything else. Most of us don't cry over the loss of a bar-owner's "right" not to serve black people or women.
As a society, we consider the greater good of civil rights legislation, that all people shall be treated equally to be greater than the ability of a bigot to refuse service to those he dislikes.
If the bigot doesn't like that? He's entirely welcome to go do something else that doesn't offend his bigoted sensibilities.
Or you know, I don't feel like serving any customers today. But I should still be employed, and get paid the same as my co-worker. It's just my religion says I'm not allowed to talk to anybody who isn't also in my religion, in case they corrupt my immortal soul. So I'll be out back, watching TV. But I have the right not to serve any customers dammit, and you can't fire me! My religion says so, and firing me for slacking off would be making me a SLAVE!
Constant bombardment via the media about how ID cards and cameras and online databases will catch illegal immigrants, terrorists and criminals, with the occasional 'think of the children' thrown in with regards child pornography.
Combine that with general public apathy and an acceptance of the false maxim 'I've nothing to hide (because I'm not a criminal), therefore nothing to fear from police looking at everything I do'
In the main though, many people just don't really care - it's all 'computer mumbo jumbo' and they don't think it applies to THEM. Until their details get left on the 8:12 to waterloo, anyway.
YMMV = your mileage may vary. Same thing, different acronym.
I have heard that tomato is good, but the hardware support is limited; I'm using a lot of WRT160N's with dd-wrt, but there's no 802.11n support in tomato at all unfortunately, or I'd test it out.
To match anecdotes, I've been using the v24 dd-wrt software on a variety of routers for about 6 months so far, and not had a single problem; ubuntu torrents work fine. But as you say, YMMV.
I'm a big fan of the linksys WRT160Nv1 with dd-wrt. Just flash with the mini_generic firmware first (to fit inside the stock firmware upload size limit), then you can use dd-wrt itself to install a standard one if you want; I prefer vpn_generic personally, but mini_generic is pretty good on its own.
The WRT160N a single radio 2.4GHz 802.11n router, and it's almost as cheap as the WRT54GL. There is also the WRT310N which is almost identical to the WRT160N, but it has a Gbit switch inbuilt instead of a 100Mb switch - I've not tried this yet as the hardware isn't available in the UK, but I'll be probably switching to that as my standard when it does.
If you want dual-band dual radio support (i.e. 2.4Ghz + 5Ghz), there's the WRT600Nv1 - it is mostly supported under dd-wrt. The v1.1 is a work in progress, but there is support using the TNG firmware. Definitely read up the forum post before going this route though.
I'm waiting on the WRT610N support for that.
FTA, I think you're going to be disappointed on both counts I'm afraid. The first thing you have to do is create an avatar which is then used prominently on the 'my xbox' and 'friends' pages - the friends list is now replaced by a collection of avatars.
From the sounds of it, the advertising is going to get even worse and more pushy and in-your-face. I wish there was a 'xbox live' proxy we could install that would filter out the ad images from the rest of the content. Hmm. I might try forcing it through a proxy anyway to see what it's doing, but I bet it's done over https.
How much extra in-your-face advertising there's going to be is useful (albeit depressing) info, and that the guide is basically the old dashboard is also handy to know.
Installing to disc though; I just did the 120GB own-HDD hack in preparation. I'm not worried so much about loading speed, as making the goddamn DVD drive quieter when playing.
You think that's bad? I live in the UK. Every page I visit just redirects to a picture of a giant lidless eye, rimmed with fire. Looking at me.
There's always the short version.
"I like paying taxes. With them I buy civilization."
-- Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes
I read the paper article this morning. They had two groups of older people - those who grew up watching colour television, and those who didn't. Those who grew up with colour reported dreaming in B&W about 5% of the time, same as the young people who grew up with colour. The older people who grew up with B&W TV reported dreaming in B&W 25% of the time.
Now, you can argue that watching colour TV in our formative years alters how we perceive dreams once we've just woken up from them, rather than the dreams themselves - even the researched admits that.
Either way, it's an interesting study.
the government will think something's up and may outlaw private encryption
Not quite that far, but they did make it illegal to fail to handover encryption keys on demand. Fail to do so, and it's 2 years in prison, or 5 years if you're suspected of being a pedophile. No evidence required that anything is in the encrypted files, or even that doing so would breach your right to not self-incriminate. Hell, they only need a reasonable suspicion that you even have the keys in the first place.
Genetically though, there's very little correlation between eduction or intelligence of the parents and the fitness of their children. Put bluntly, smart people can have thick children, and thick parents can produce a genius, genetically speaking.
It's not like poorly educated people having lots of children is going to dumb down the genetic stock! However, those children are likely to be poorly educated too due to living in the same society that didn't educate their parents - which is a social problem, and fixable by social means.
There's often an association by americans between poor=badly educated=stupid, none of which are auomatically true.
People didn't drop dead at 40 when they were hunter gatherers any more than they do now. What has changed significantly is life expectancy as babies and 70+ due to medical advances. Survival rates when giving birth have also gone up sharply.
Some of our biggest killers - cars and environmental cancers (i.e. smoking related lung cancer, liver issues from alcoholism, pollution) wouldn't have been an issue.
If you made it past 5, you had a reasonable chance of making it to old age, even if your retirement would likely be shorter than ours currently. It's also worth pointing out that puberty was much later than now, often into the 20's due to unreliable nutrition.
Yes, but pages sent in the clear are definitely capable of being sniffed by anyone in arpspoof or mitm range. self-signed pages are only possibly being sniffed by someone actively trying to break in from the start.
Nobody is saying that self-signed certificates should be elevated to the same level as properly signed certs, you do need a clear UI difference between in-the-clear, self-signed and recognised- CA-signed.
Self-signed cert sites should not be substantially more difficult and annoying to visit than unsigned sites. There's a lot of mailing list servers out there self-signed, and a lot of web-based management pages for hardware that are self-signed. Expecting all of them to go and spend money on a needless CA cert - especially since it really has to be one IP per site - just to shut firefox up is arrogant and misguided.
I switched from netscape to mozilla, then to phoenix. I've been a firefox advocate for a very long time, and even I'm starting to look at alternative browsers as a result of this issue. I use 4 or 5 machines regularly (plus a whole other bunch occasionally), and having to add manually every single fecking site every fecking time is becoming a real pain in the ass.
When HUGE taxpayer expenditures like this are voted through and signed into law in less than a week, despite 3 out of 4 Americans being strongly against them - it's clear we no longer live in a Democracy at all!
You don't live in a democracy. You live in a republic. This means that rather than bending to the tyranny of the majority every time, your representatives - that you elect - make the decision that's best for their constituents even if a majority of the constituents think it's a bad idea at the time. Of course, a representative that does that too much risks losing his seat. The whole point of a republic is that the representatives can act on the bigger picture that sometimes is missed by the masses. Whether they actually accomplish that is another question.
The bailout is a necessary evil, or the pain in the long term due to damage to the wider economy will be much greater. Even if it is somewhat rewarding special interests and people who richly deserve prosecutions for fraud rather than bonuses, the longer term impact will hopefully stop the rot, and reduce the coming recession. Many business cannot function without lines of credit for day-to-day operations and growing their business. The credit crunch will cause more of them to fail, and that will cost jobs. Jobs lost, more mortgage defaults, and more credit restrictions. Getting the international money market working again is of key importance to the global economy, or we'll all pay even more than we're going to anyway. This is true whether the average american believes it or not.
Passports are issued by the country of origin, and visa stanps are added. There's no requirement to carry a passport once in-country.
ID cards are controlled and issued by the UK government, with a lot more information required - such as home address. This can then be stored in a giant database, and all interactions with local and national government can be recorded against this database. It is likely they will be made mandatory to carry at all times.
They'll not be issued to EU citizens yet, as EU law prevents any measures being used on EU citizens that are not also used for domestic citizens.
This is a trial run against people who already have to have extensive paperwork for visas, in order to track and identify them far more easily than is currently possible with the paper based system. The end-goal is to issue them to all British citizens, and most likely resident EU citizens too, and make them mandatory to carry as the (much simpler, non constant-database) IDs often are on the continent.
ID cards are planned to be merged into passport issuing, so that when you get a reissued British passport with more details and biometrics on it, you'll get an ID card too whether you want one or not. The next step will be to make ID cards mandatory, as passports are not.
The current investigatative procedures are sloppy at best, and downright criminal at worst. There's plenty of opportunity for them to make mistakes in identifying people who are sharing copyrighted material, and the industry associations representing the big media companies have certainly made them. Making it easier for them to seize people's hardware and potentially slap them with huge court costs and even massively punative judgements on very flimsy evidence is a bad step in the wrong direction.
Even if they do get the correct IP for the timeframe, and the material being shared was copyrighted by the person looking - something they have failed at repeatedly - there's no guarantee the person they name is responsible. Whether it's hacked wireless, children or even friends of children, there's plenty of times already where they, and the laws they've used, have been wrong.
Innocent people are being targeted too, and in large numbers. Making it easier for them to be put through the wringer, to try and get a grip on something that no law is going to stop other people doing, is wrong plain and simple.
A few years back, Mandrake merged a kernel patch in their new release that would accidentally brick certain LG CDROM drives using old firmware versions when it checked if it had writing capabilities. This was largely LG's fault for re-using a valid command code to mean 'start flashing me now' instead, and of course, no firmware was then forthcoming, leaving the drive in an unusable state.
LG ended up replacing old affected drives, and the kernel patch was rewritten. Mandrake bore the brunt of the reputation hit though for quite a while, which I suspect will happen to SuSE.
The e1000e driver is the new one for pci-e based intel pro 1000 chipsets, with the old pci and pci-x cards unaffected with the original e1000 driver. Still, that's going to be quite a lot of cards affected.
DRM on pc games has very little to do with stopping piracy, they're not THAT stupid. It's easy enough to make casual 'here mate, have a copy of this' rare without the huge level of measures affecting users. If anything, these measure are indeed pushing people to work out how to find torrents and CD cracks.
No, it's about locking in legitimate customers, and killing the doctrine of first sale. Copyright infringers are not buyers, and likely never would have been. However, someone that buys a USED copy from a gamestore or ebay is a demonstrable purchaser, though possibly one waiting for a reduced price.
Limited activations with proof of purchase required to get extra activations pretty much kills the second hand market stone dead. And those buyers who would have bought from ebay end up buying it new, or waiting for the discount re-release. Either way, the publisher gets the money, and people end up stuck with shelves-full of old games they're bored with but can't sell.
Console gamers shouldn't be too smug neither. PC games only had is-this-a-real-disc-DRM for a long time, then moved to the limited total online activations, tied to one account. Wii virtual console? games are tied to one console. XBox360 arcade? Tied to one console and one account.
Want to bet the next version of the XBox ties individual game discs to a particular live account upon first use? Maybe you get to use it with 3 live accounts, then bing, you need to buy a new disc.
DRM is working very well indeed. It's just a different purpose than they claim it's for.
I think he was referring to drug dealers more than terrorists. London has a lot more of the former than the latter.
Some countries allow people who were not born in a country to become a citizen. Obama was born in Hawaii - in the US, making him a natual born US citizen. He then also became a citizen of Kenya automatically when it gained independance from the UK in 1963, due to his father being Kenyan and Obama being 2 years old.
Every person who, having been born outside Kenya. is on llth December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall. if his father becomes. or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1). become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December. 1963.
Then he lost that citizenship of Kenya when he turned 21, as being a dual-citizen, he did not renounce his US citizenship and choose to become Kenyan.
A person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a citizen of Kenya and also a citizen of some country other than Kenya shall, subject to subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the case of a person who was born outside Kenya. made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.
He does not need to renounce his Kenyan citizenship as he doesn't have one. This meme is getting old and you do yourself no favours by repeating it. It's getting as bad as that horsehit about McCain not being a natual born citizen because he was born on an airbase in Panama, when the Canal Zone was a US territory at the time.
How about you guys elect someone based on his policies and whether they matter to you, rather than spreading bullshit falsehoods to try and win by dirty tricks and character assassination of the other guy? I'm looking at both sides here.
That used to work, then it only worked with the google cache, and now it doesn't work at all, all the answers are obfusticated.
I really wish google would kill off their ranking, there's plenty of other places to get the same answers which don't require a sub.