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D-Link DIR-655 Firmware 1.21 Hijacks Your Internet Connection

chronopunk writes "Normally when you think of firmware updates for a router you would expect security updates and bug fixes. Would you ever expect the company that makes the product to try and sell you a subscription for security software using its firmware as a salesperson? I recently ran into this myself when trying to troubleshoot my router. I noticed when trying to go to Google that my router was hijacking DNS and sent me to a website trying to sell me a software subscription. After upgrading your D-link DIR-655 router to the latest firmware you'll see that D-link does this, and calls the hijacking a 'feature.'"

428 comments

  1. Why... by mewshi_nya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is this even legal? This is my device; if it does something I don't like, and can't disable it, that seems like an attack on my rights; to do it to sell ads... that's just low, D-Link!

    1. Re:Why... by matthewncohen · · Score: 5, Informative

      You have to manually upgrade the firmware and going back to plan old 1.20 is exactly the same process. It's not exactly hard to "disable". I have this router and also recently updated my firmware but I have not encountered this yet...

    2. Re:Why... by GenP · · Score: 1, Troll

      Whoa, I didn't know D-Link was forcing firmware upgrades these days!

    3. Re:Why... by mattytee · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you RTFA, you'll see that you CAN disable it.

      Still pretty hinky, though.

    4. Re:Why... by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Probably not. But what are you going to do about it? After enough stink, there will likely be a class action suit. No one that has been wronged will get real resolution (maybe a coupon for a new D-link model router for their trouble!). The amount paid out by D-Link will be less than the profit they get from these things. Business as usual.

      The only solution is to burn the place down or kill a few key people, then let them all know why. But no one is going to throw their life away on a bad router purchase.

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    5. Re:Why... by orclevegam · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you RTFA it is something you can disable (at least according to the D-Link rep, I don't actually own one of these). It sounds like he's ticked off because it was slipped in with the firmware upgrade, enabled by default, and if you're not technically inclined you'd probably not realize what was causing the hijacking. It is a scummy thing to do, but hardly illegal, and it's being made out to be a lot worse than it actually is. Had it been disabled by default, or perhaps included instructions on the site it directs you to on how to disable it then it wouldn't be an issue.

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    6. Re:Why... by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Legal? yes. Ethical? no. Tolerated by your customers? Hell no.

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    7. Re:Why... by WarJolt · · Score: 1

      Is it legal...dunno. Is it moral or right no.
      Can you sue for damages? Yes... get a good lawyer.

    8. Re:Why... by iamapizza · · Score: 1

      It's "because they added it as a âoefeatureâ which just happens to sell software subscriptions for them." It's a perfectly acceptable reply. I do that with applications I write too.

      "Yeah, it doesn't parse the log files like you asked, but it does load up a a console that just happens to say 'hello world' on it. And exit."

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    9. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Is this even legal? This is my device; if it does something I don't like, and can't disable it, that seems like an attack on my rights; to do it to sell ads... that's just low, D-Link!

      OK, yes, it's low down and dirty, but an attack on your rights?!? Give me a fucking break. Perhaps a month or two living in a communist country would re-align you with the definition of your "rights".

      It's a fucking router. Don't like it, go buy a fucking 54GL and load your own goddamn OS.

      Besides, take a minute or two to read through your average EULA, and you'll quickly realize your e-rights vaporize quicker than you click "I agree"...

    10. Re:Why... by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who cares particularly if it is legal or not. What you SHOULD be worrying about is how easy would it be for such a company to take a handsome bribe to allow others to hijack your connection via their firmware/router?

      Vyatta anyone? http://www.vyatta.com/

      I think it's about time for some serious F/OSS hardware and firmware to replace what was once thought safe and sound from hacking and such.

    11. Re:Why... by Lazy+Jones · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you RTFA it is something you can disable

      Since when do we need to RTFM for consumer products like a WLAN router? It's not something complicated like a microwave oven where you need warning labels telling you not to dry your pet in it...

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    12. Re:Why... by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      This isn't the reason I stopped selling D-Link a while ago, but this is certainly a reason I'm glad I did.

      I became hesitant to sell D-Link when they dropped their warranty from lifetime to 3 years to 1 year.

      Then when they came out with their new line in the black cases that turned out to be complete crap, I stopped selling them completely.

      Now I'm justified.

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    13. Re:Why... by speeDDemon+(nw) · · Score: 5, Funny

      "The only solution is to burn the place down or kill a few key people, then let them all know why."

      If only revolution was not such an outdated ideal.

    14. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is a scummy thing to do, but hardly illegal, and it's being made out to be a lot worse than it actually is.

      If it's not illegal then it should be. Accepted on this level can lead it to being applied on others. Your auto-mapping service starts to lead you to a different McDonald's each time you ask it for directions to the hospital. Your Lo-Jack shuts your car down in front of every Denny's you pass. Your mother's health monitoring devices keep connecting to a security marketing sight instead of her heath monitoring provider. Do we even want to discuss what might happen when Roto-Rooter shows up at your place and your lovely wife or daughter answers the door? This service is a FEATURE!

      Such garbage is just like telemarketing, its abuse any way you look at it. Just imagine what would happen if every component in your computer included such nonsense and maybe some included by government mandate. Nip it in the bud, else like cancer and government, it just grows uncontrollably.

    15. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh shit, I didn't read those warnings.... FLUFFY!!! NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo.....

    16. Re:Why... by BUL2294 · · Score: 1

      It is a scummy thing to do, but hardly illegal

      Maybe not illegal (tho, ICANN and/or the FTC would probably have a problem), but if my URL was inaccessible to all D-Link routers and instead redirected someone to a product/service sold by D-Link or, worse, redirected to my competition, you'd better believe that I'm going to sue them!!!

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    17. Re:Why... by click2005 · · Score: 1, Funny

      "warning labels telling you not to dry your pet in it"

      Damn, I just tried to dry someone else's pet in it.. If only they'd warned me.. i'm gonna sue.

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    18. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh shit, I didn't read those warnings.... FLUFFY!!! NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo.....

      There's no need to blame yourself. I've come to help you avenge your cat.

    19. Re:Why... by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wow. Recent Netgear switches I've bought were doing the whole 70% packet loss thing (of the five white Netgear hubs I've dealt with, three have been completely worthless; haven't tried the blue metal ones lately), and now DLink moves right along with them onto my do-not-buy list. Linksys (won't work reliably with upstream switches) and Belkin (Wi-Fi routers crash constantly when passing wireless traffic) are both so buggy (to the point of being unusable) that they've been on my do-not-buy list for years. I've just about run out of networking hardware manufacturers....

      Why can't just ONE SINGLE networking product company make a pledge to stop cutting corners on quality and looking for ways to make a quick buck off their users and just deliver decent hardware!?!?!?!?!?! Don't ANY of these companies' management chains have the SLIGHTEST bit of fiscal common sense?

      Sheesh!

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    20. Re:Why... by Babbster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why can't one single Slashdot user buy a defective product without boycotting the company in perpetuity?

    21. Re:Why... by cjb658 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Damn, and I thought D-Link was one of the better companies to buy a router from.

    22. Re:Why... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Funny

      The only solution is to burn the place down or kill a few key people, then let them all know why. But no one is going to throw their life away on a bad router purchase.

      that's the problem with the youth today, no commitment to principles.

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    23. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What's annoying with things like this (and others) is that it just gets in the way and obstructs your work.

      I choose things based on their lack of snarkiness. I don't want a Windows PC full of crapware. I'd rather just pay the manufacturer a few extra bucks to cover the loss of crapware kickbacks. I used to run an AV, but occassionally, it would bring up a message telling me I wasn't fully protected because I wasn't running their antispam (despite running Thunderbird). When my renewal came up, I chose another company, and I told them that this was one of the reasons.

    24. Re:Why... by Hattmannen · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are routers that run open source firmware. An example of a company that uses open source firmware is Canyon. I've had one for a couple of years now. I got the first hardware revision, so I haven't been able to upgrade my firmware to the latest, but my model is still manufactured, albeit in a later hardware revision and the firmware is open source. Works like a charm.

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    25. Re:Why... by Smauler · · Score: 1

      It's not legal if it's not fit for purpose. If the reasonable expectation of a consumer is for the router to be able to connect to the internet via the router, and the router does not do as intended, then there is a problem. If the router has been programmed deliberately to restrict access, then there is a _big_ problem with selling it as a router to consumers. This is a similar issue I brought up here. Even if there is fineprint to waive the company's resposibilities, it does not stick, and it should not stick. Anyone who reads all the fine print they are given has more time than I do. Expectation of function is a core premise in UK law at least (though "unlimited" broadband seems to have immunity at the moment for some reason).

    26. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hell NO. They're absolute garbage! I've seen more fried D-Link routers than every other brand combined. I'd sooner buy any other no-name brand for *more* money. Plus, they've been doing "evil" stuff like that for ages -- not long ago they were hammering a tier-1 NTP server with their firmware (and the poor guy was footing the bill for them on his own). Their garbage is best avoided.

      You want a good router? Get a Linksys WRT54GL (that is NOT the G or GS). Then put tomato on it or DD-WRT (they're Linux distros). Then setup opendns and all that in it too. Best router you can get under $500 perhaps (short of a specialized/fancy cisco router that runs IOS and is easy to mis-configure, an expensive specialized routerboard, or power-hungry computer with moving parts...)

    27. Re:Why... by Khyber · · Score: 4, Funny

      whether or not we CAN disable it is moot - there's law regarding redirects without permission. I just can't find the damned thing, but I know it's there having read it here on slashdot.

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    28. Re:Why... by gparent · · Score: 1

      So what company are you gonna buy your routers from? I'm pretty sure you just named every single mainstream brand, I'm genuinely curious what's left that isn't crap.

    29. Re:Why... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      That was my point. Everything seems to be genuinely crap these days.

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    30. Re:Why... by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I dunno. Why do most consumers run back to a company that cheated them like a battered woman to her abuser?

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    31. Re:Why... by AVonGauss · · Score: 1

      Because most of them have bought more than one product from the same company before boycotting the company.

    32. Re:Why... by Ron_Fitzgerald · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree that the WRT54GL with Tomato firmware has better QOS than stock Linksys firmware. I have 2 VOIP lines at home with this router and the call quality is noticeably better after the firmware push.

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    33. Re:Why... by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I never said I was boycotting them in perpetuity. That said, these aren't isolated problems. Three out of five Netgear switches died, three out of three Netgear FA101/FA102 cards died within a couple of years, etc. It takes three bad experiences with a company's product to earn do-not-buy status unless one of those bad experiences is really serious (the Belkin USB-serial adapter that was shorted from the factory and nearly killed my computer, for example).

      At least in this DLink case, it's just a political do-not-buy, which might go away if/when they clean up their act. Their gear seems to be electrically mostly solid. That's why this bugs me so much. They were the only one that I hadn't had a long string of horrible hardware faults from. :-)

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    34. Re:Why... by BulletMagnet · · Score: 1

      Why can't just ONE SINGLE networking product company make a pledge to stop cutting corners on quality and looking for ways to make a quick buck off their users and just deliver decent hardware!?!?!?!?!?! Don't ANY of these companies' management chains have the SLIGHTEST bit of fiscal common sense?

      Someone did....You Might Have Heard Of Them...

    35. Re:Why... by TheMCP · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think it's quite arguable that it's "hardly illegal". You could say that they're fraudulently claiming that the object they're selling is a "router" when in fact it's an "advertising machine". Or you could say that by hijacking the DNS for google, they are fraudulently making it appear that google is endorsing their software.

      Of course, the real solution is to never buy a d-link product. Haven't there been enough issues with them reported here over the years to scare away a responsible technician?

    36. Re:Why... by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you RTFA, you'll see that you CAN disable it.

      What are we becoming? Now every sleazy behaviour is ok as long as you can opt-out? That hasn't worked for spam for the past 20 years, has everyone suddenly got a learning disorder?

      The default behaviour of absolutely everything that's not a requested feature has to be opt-in.

      Opt-out is not good enough. I thought we'd learnt that by now.

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    37. Re:Why... by Tom · · Score: 1

      If you RTFA it is something you can disable (at least according to the D-Link rep, I don't actually own one of these)

      That doesn't make it ok.

      Crap like this has to be opt-in. 20 years of spam should've told us that opt-out does not work. Well, at least not for the customer. It works great for the spammers.

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    38. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure he was referring to home consumer items, not commercial. And Cisco's entry in that arena (Linksys) has already made his do-not-buy list.

      Nice try though.

    39. Re:Why... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is a scummy thing to do, but hardly illegal,

      Actually, could it be considered fraudulent? They intentionally did something that made the product somewhat not fit for use, because in certain cases it's actually not a correct router.

      Alternatively, Google might have a trademark claim or unfair competition claim against D-Link, because of the surreptitious redirect.

    40. Re:Why... by dnoyeb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think the Zyxel Zywall 2+ is the best sub $500 router you can get. It only cost me about $175.

      Since I started buying Zyxel, I only buy Zyxel. Feature set is without compare.

    41. Re:Why... by Ecuador · · Score: 1

      I had been using D-Link and Linksys for years, the former being cheaper but the latter sometimes having better products.
      However, after I tried out Zyxel (per the recommendation network admin friends in Europe) I have not gone back. I had never realized you can have an ssh connection stay up for weeks over a wi-fi network...
      So, apart from a Linksys pcmcia card on my fiancee's laptop that has never given me reason to replace it, everything else (routers, access points, adapters...) are Zyxel.

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    42. Re:Why... by dnoyeb · · Score: 1

      Zyxel. great products.

    43. Re:Why... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Defective is bad; but sometimes forgivable(though, in a market as absolutely commodified as low end network gear, why bother forgiving?). Deliberately malperforming, though, is just evil. And, again, there have got to be at least a half dozen brands of similarly specced network gear, why forgive?

    44. Re:Why... by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      THe blue metal ones have been sucking for me lately too.

    45. Re:Why... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      You should probably put belkin on the political do-not-buy list as well. They pulled this stunt years before D-Link did.

    46. Re:Why... by trytoguess · · Score: 1

      Well... usually this happens when there's a lack of role models from the previous generation (hintity hint hint). : )

    47. Re:Why... by Hucko · · Score: 1

      Because if we continue to let these things slide... inevitably we end up with a practice that means we need make extreme action to correct the injustice. "For the sake of a nail, the kingdom was lost..." That said, the model the westernised economies are moving to is feudalism, not communism for the most part. Yes, I understand you don't feel any obligation to support those not in your position/life style.

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    48. Re:Why... by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope. Working PC Repair I've seen more dead D-Links than any other brand. If you are just wanting cheap I'd suggest either TrendNet or ZoneNet. I've bought and installed several for customers and they seem to run well and are easy to manage. I am currently typing this on a TrendNet I bought to set up the boys their own network so they can game and share files with each other and after a $10 rebate the thing was only $9! Runs quite well. Now if you are wanting one for tweaking or running a customized Linux on I'd suggest a Linksys WRT54GL(just make sure you don't get the GS by mistake) so you can run DD-WRT. But after tossing one too many D-links I try to avoid them whenever possible,and stunts like this just make me really glad I do.

      And as for those that just say disable updates? What if they come out with another DNS or other security hack that REQUIRES you to update your firmware? I don't like the idea of either get crapwared or risk being hacked. With the TrendNet and ZoneNet routers they take a little longer to get firmware updates,but so far every update I've ever run from them has been just that,an UPDATE. Which either gave the router new functionality or closed security holes,but never any crapware from them,knock on plastic.

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    49. Re:Why... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Informative

      damn straight. I went from resets every 2 days to rsets every 2 months - it just chugs along. The thing that really killed my linksys gear was bittorrent - something about huge numbers of remote connections.

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    50. Re:Why... by Eskarel · · Score: 1
      The problem with revolution is that it generally tends to either be relatively short lived, or simply replace one set of tyrants with another.

      Even the American revolution only localized essentially the same system. True it got rid of the king, but the Brittish have been cutting the power of their monarchy for more than a millenia now, and by 1776 the King wasn't all that powerful anymore.

      The Russians and the Chinese weren't that much better for all that they pretended to change the underlying dynamic of the country.

      Revolution is like everything else in life, the people who take the risks win big or lose big, for everyone else not a whole lot changes. Personally I'm not particularly convinced that a successful slashdot revolution would be any better for the country than the current lot of idiots.

    51. Re:Why... by couchslug · · Score: 4, Funny

      "I dunno. Why do most consumers run back to a company that cheated them like a battered woman to her abuser?"

      Because the sex is terrific, and they really WANT to change!

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    52. Re:Why... by Golddess · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You have to manually upgrade the firmware and going back to plan old 1.20 is exactly the same process.

      Which raises the question, if you didn't know it was going to do this (because lets face it, who would honestly expect this to have happened before now?), and instead of hijacking google.com, it hijacks the D-Link page where you could download the previous version that you just overwritten, with a link to "pay us money and you can download a fixed version 1.21", what then?

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    53. Re:Why... by philspear · · Score: 3, Informative

      What are we becoming? Now every sleazy behaviour is ok as long as you can opt-out? That hasn't worked for spam for the past 20 years, has everyone suddenly got a learning disorder?

      Just to point out, if you RTFP (post) mattytee doesn't say it's ok, he says it's "hinky." Which might NOT mean okay. I admit, I don't know what it ACTUALLY means, so it might mean "good." I don't think I'd enjoy being called "hinky" so it doesn't sound like he's saying "You can opt out, so it's cool."

    54. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    55. Re:Why... by LackThereof · · Score: 1

      This is why I don't buy name brand.

      For the past 5 years or so I've been buying nothing but off-brand generic equipment, the cheapest the internet will offer me. It rarely comes with documentation (and when it does, it's never coherent english), but goddamn it, everything works, and I never get outright screwed. Failures are no more common than they were with name brand parts.

      Buy commodity grade gear and if it's mission-critical, keep spares on hand - it's still cheaper than name-brand parts without spares, and you never get these nasty surprises.

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    56. Re:Why... by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      Linksys with dd-wrt: Time: 10:30:29 up 51 days, 19:53, load average: 0.28, 0.06, 0.02 (power went out)

      It gets hammered with bittorrent on a regular basis. You can change the "maximum ports" to a higher value so you don't have the issue you describe.

      ZyXel, definitely a far better feature set, though I have a pile of that stuff here gathering dust purely because it resets too often. Once every couple of months is still annoying.

    57. Re:Why... by mako1138 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, most of these companies take a reference design from the networking chipset manufacturer (Atheros, Marvell, Ralink, etc.), put new plastic around it, and rebrand the drivers. High volume, low margins: not much effort put into support.

    58. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firmware: DD-WRT v23 SP2 (09/15/06) vpn
      Time: 20:53:40 up 105 days, 20:53, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

      You got me on avg load but I got you on uptime! I don't do as much downloading these days but I do spend most of my waking time in TF2 or something similar.

      Linksys with DD-WRT is pretty solid. I also ran into the max ports issue with BT and solved it by upping the max value (to 4096 I believe).

      Not bad for a $60 router.

    59. Re:Why... by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I've got a Siemens router that works well. Runs Linux too. Though I've never seen a copy of the GPL with it, but whatever.

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    60. Re:Why... by GarryFre · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I totally agree and want to add what I told Safecount.com one of the most annoying offenders for making ads that get in your face track your mouse and try to trick you or force you to click on them. "Imagine someone in a big vehicle who cuts you off on the road and won't let you pass till you hear their sales pitch. How would you feel? What would you feel like doing to them? Would you buy from them? Nope? I thought not."

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    61. Re:Why... by obscured_dude · · Score: 1

      Ive purchased quite a few (hundreds of) d-link routers in the past, About 12 months ago i came across a batch of routers that had a maximum of about 5 metres wireless coverage.... WTF!!! So now i only purchase linksys WRT54GL's and run DD-WRT on them. And since then i have NEVER had a problem... D-link has always been a cheap "stop-gap", if you want real network hardware you buy cisco or 3com...

    62. Re:Why... by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 2, Informative

      BitTorrent is usually the culprit for random router slugginess. Here's the instructions for solving it in DD-WRT by increasing the max connections.

    63. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      netgear, dlink, linksys, belkin - why are you buying all that cheap crap and expecting quality? For switches, HP Procurve, for routers, Cisco.

    64. Re:Why... by davidphogan74 · · Score: 3, Funny

      If only revolution was not such an outdated ideal.

      Sixty revolutions per minute this is my regular speed, Gogol Bordello or something.

    65. Re:Why... by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      I was going to paste my WRT54G (v2, not the newer crippled one) w/Tomato uptime, but then I remembered that I reset it two weeks ago on the off chance it was causing choke in CS:S...

      But as I recall, the uptime was something like 170 days.

    66. Re:Why... by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      I bought a 5-port Netgear switch (the white one) like four years ago; it works very well. We recently bought four more of them at work (same version number, v3 I think), and none of them have problems. In fact I consider the Netgear switches I have to be of high quality.

      I guess that's why they say anecdotal evidence isn't worth much, eh?

    67. Re:Why... by warsql · · Score: 1

      I suggest the ASUS WL-500g Premium with open-wrt, tomato, or DD-WRT. The usb ports can be used to turn an ordinary printer into a network printer, and add an external hard drive too.

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    68. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want a good router? Get a Linksys WRT54GL (that is NOT the G or GS). Then put tomato on it or DD-WRT (they're Linux distros). Then setup opendns and all that in it too. Best router you can get under $500 perhaps (short of a specialized/fancy cisco router that runs IOS and is easy to mis-configure, an expensive specialized routerboard, or power-hungry computer with moving parts...)

      I beg to differ, though I guess it depends on your definition of "easy to misconfigure". A Cisco ASA 5505 with a ten VPN user license runs $475 at Amazon. If I recall correctly, it has a web configuration interface and wizards to get you set up. Yes, it's a big step up in cost, but it gives you a lot of additional flexibility. Anyway, there are a lot of good devices between the WRT54GL and the ASA 5505.

    69. Re:Why... by kimvette · · Score: 1

      No, Snapgear is the best router you can get for under $500.00 - it is multihoming, supports ipsec, pptp. and a slew of other features, has an EXCELLENT NAT interface, and uptime is measured in months, not days. On top of that, like dd-wrt, snapgear runs Linux and is of course OSS. Oh, also, unlike dd-wrt, the GUI isn't asstastic -- and pptp actually works.

      The WRT54GL is the best router you can get for under $180.00.

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    70. Re:Why... by Kleen13 · · Score: 1

      enabled by default

      Is really the biggest issue here. For the Uber-caffinated, click-happy user, it is easy to be 3 clicks past the checkbox turning on a feature (I DON"T WANT GOOGLE TOOLBAR, THANKS!!!) before it registers, if it does at all.

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    71. Re:Why... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      My linksys started freaking out well before I did anything with BT - at most I was playing WOW.

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    72. Re:Why... by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't get it. If doing such a thing were legal, lots of people WOULD buy from these people. Yes, it sounds insane, but remember, spammers and telemarketers make lots of money, even though most of us think it's idiotic to buy from such sellers. Of course, in reality, there probably wouldn't be enough people buying from the sellers blocking their way on the road to pay for their operating costs (this is why spam and telemarketing work so well, because the cost per potential customer is so low), but I guarantee a non-zero number of people would buy.

    73. Re:Why... by Hecatonchires · · Score: 1

      I like Billion. Just my 2c

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    74. Re:Why... by mjwx · · Score: 4, Funny

      that's the problem with the youth today, no commitment to principles.

      I was out there with torches and pitchforks but these two old farts complained that I was making too much noise and had me removed.

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    75. Re:Why... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure. I think maybe it should be ok for people to be subjected to all kinds of ridiculous crap, as long as a simple "opt-out" button is right there that can make it all go away permanently. It'd be funny to see how many people never click on that.

      This reminds me of another recent Slashdot article from a few weeks ago where some giant number of Windows users clicked on a dialog box that said "by clicking here, you are admitting you are a complete moron" or something like that.

    76. Re:Why... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Then, you have two options:

      Work around it by plugging a computer directly into the Internet to download the firmware, then switching everything back and upgrading the firmware the normal way...

      Or, my personal preference, you call D-Link, say FUCK NO, demand your money back, use said money to buy something decent (generic Linksys, maybe?), and never buy D-Link again.

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    77. Re:Why... by dacut · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just to point out, if you RTFP (post) mattytee doesn't say it's ok, he says it's "hinky." Which might NOT mean okay. I admit, I don't know what it ACTUALLY means, so it might mean "good."

      It could be a typo for "kinky." Which, I can only imagine, would be included in the comprehensive list of fetishes.

    78. Re:Why... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      That would tend to support the "I Am Rich" theory of capitalism:

      Step 1: Build something. Anything.
      Step 2: Sell it for as much as you possibly can.
      Step 3: Profit.

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    79. Re:Why... by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A number of years ago in Canada, the cable companies started 'giving away' literally everyone in the country a month of viewing on any new speciality channel that came up. Then when the month was over they would start charging you for it. You had to 'opt out' at the end of the month if you didn't want it. So, you would get the trial without asking and then they would start charging you without asking. There was a HUGE outcry and the government quickly stepped in and put a stop to it, making the 'opt out or be charged' practice illegal... at least for cable companies.

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    80. Re:Why... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I'm not seeing this as a law anywhere after a good hard search. At least not one that is federal or in my particular state. You may find that some state or some country has made this illegal in the past but I can't seem to find it.

      In the United States it doesn't appear to be illegal but it sure as hell is disgusting, offensive, immoral, unethical, and a deterrent to ever purchasing equipment from this company ever again*.

      *Fortunately I don't own one and I don't actually think I've ever given them any money in the past either. I know a bunch of people who own the brand but not me. I'll be sure to let them know.

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    81. Re:Why... by texaport · · Score: 1

      Or leave a comment about the router-spam where buyers can find out about avoiding this
      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000LIFB7S

    82. Re:Why... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Anyone who reads all the fine print they are given has more time than I do.

      I always wonder if there's a way to prevent that, legislatively.

      I keep trying to word a law that basically says "Contracts must be simple and to the point, with no BS, and should be understandable in a reasonable amount of time by an ordinary person." I'm not a lawyer, but beyond that, I can't figure out how to define unambiguously how you'd outlaw legalese.

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    83. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...has everyone suddenly got a learning disorder?

      Suddenly? No, not suddenly.

    84. Re:Why... by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      Are you aware of any open source firmware available for wireless access points? I've already got a solid router (Cisco 2611xm) in place and I'd rather not double-nat.

    85. Re:Why... by supernova_hq · · Score: 1, Funny

      Well, that's what you get for standing on my lawn!

    86. Re:Why... by scotsghost · · Score: 4, Informative

      hinky: 1) Something as yet undefinable is wrong, out of place; not quite right; 2) "I've a bad feeling about that": something out of whack, wrong, off-kilter; 3) a state of being vaguely suspicious.

      source: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hinky

      this definition fits my previous (vague, contextual) knowledge of the term. some uses color towards sleazy, some towards kludgy; but they all have the general sense of something suspicious in some way.

    87. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WRT is, as the name states, 54 only and it's pitifully slow.

      Anything under draft N is just a pain in the ass.

    88. Re:Why... by mallumax · · Score: 1

      The best wireless router I had is from Buffalo. It is switched on 24/7 and I never had any problems. It is also damn easy to install tomato on it though for some models like WHR G125 you need to install a special version of tomato.

    89. Re:Why... by Tom · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure. I think maybe it should be ok for people to be subjected to all kinds of ridiculous crap, as long as a simple "opt-out" button is right there that can make it all go away permanently. It'd be funny to see how many people never click on that.

      Like most things, it would be funny for all of five seconds.

      Again, remember spam. Even if spammers would honour their own opt-out links, we all agree that wouldn't solve the problem, do we? Even if you could reliably opt-out, you would have to opt-out fifty or so times. Per day. Every day.

      By my standards, every piece of advertisement or sales pitch that is not opt-in is sleazy and intrusive. And yes, that does include roadside billboards.

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    90. Re:Why... by Kvasio · · Score: 1

      Perhaps a month or two living in a communist country would re-align you with the definition of your "rights".
      It's a fucking router. Don't like it, go buy a fucking 54GL and load your own goddamn OS.

      your own goddamn OS would be wrt, which is linux, which is communism.

    91. Re:Why... by Lincolnshire+Poacher · · Score: 1

      > Then put tomato on it or DD-WRT (they're Linux distros).

      Be careful with the licences, though. Tomato's GUI is not free software:

          Tomato GUI
          Copyright (C) 2006-2008 Jonathan Zarate
          www.polarcloud.com/tomato/

          For use with Tomato Firmware only.
          No part of this file may be used without
          permission.

      and DD-WRT requires activation licenses for commercial use:

      http://www.dd-wrt.com/shop/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=728&osCsid=ns9upt2t79usrn36f3eihdlem6

    92. Re:Why... by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      This is nothing new. They pulled this crap years ago when home routers were becoming all the rage. I had a client give me one of their routers saying it was busted that every 30min or something like that directed me to their sales page for the service. Sleezeballs, never liked their hardware anyways. Prone to overheating allot in my experience.

    93. Re:Why... by richlv · · Score: 1

      i personally like openwrt the best.
      another good router is asus wl500-gp v1 (v2 has problems) - it has two usb ports, that linksys does not.

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    94. Re:Why... by richlv · · Score: 1

      as already mentioned, wrt54gl (note the l, of course) is a nice router. wireless, 4 wired ports, can run openwrt.

      another good one - asus wl500gp v1. additionally has two usb ports.

      i've set up several wrt54gls, and i now have the asus one at home. with openwrt, only problems might be cli usage for some of the more advanced features :)

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    95. Re:Why... by maestroX · · Score: 1

      that's the problem with the youth today, no commitment to principles.

      I was out there with torches and pitchforks but these two old farts complained that I was making too much noise and had me removed.

      Are you kidding me?!?

      I told you twice: WAIT YOUR TURN!!

    96. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fishy

    97. Re:Why... by bignetbuy · · Score: 1

      So you haven't patched in 2 years? What's your IP again?

    98. Re:Why... by bignetbuy · · Score: 1

      Cisco 851, a broadband router, sells for under $400. Of course, it comes with all those pesky security features and a "specialized/fancy" IOS.

    99. Re:Why... by Upphew · · Score: 1

      "Blizzard Entertainment is currently testing a Blizzard Downloader that is based upon BitTorrent"

      So you probably _were_ using bittorrent.

    100. Re:Why... by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      not long ago they were hammering a tier-1 NTP server with their firmware (and the poor guy was footing the bill for them on his own).

      The poor guy in question was Paul-Henning Kamp (known on slashdot as phkamp), a freeBSD hacker of some note.

      I saw him give a talk to my local UUG about varnish, a server-side HTTP cache (i.e. a slashdot resistance layer). Good talk, nice guy.

      So he's on here, but hates what you do to his website ;)

      I think the "amicable resolution" between phk and dlink was the creation of an RFC of ntp client best practices, which dlink can now choose to ignore if it feels like being a bad network citizen. Why shouldn't it?

    101. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of some sick fucks that made the news a while back
      http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080106/animal_abuse_080106?s_name=&no_ads=

    102. Re:Why... by iwein · · Score: 1

      Well, following that logic an appliance braking down would be an attack on your rights too. IMO, it's just broken. If you can't fix it yourself take it back to the shop and try to get someone excited there.

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    103. Re:Why... by hoogamaphone · · Score: 1

      LMAO ... I love xkcd.

    104. Re:Why... by Dekortage · · Score: 1

      So, you would get the trial without asking and then they would start charging you without asking.

      This happens all the time in the U.S. I get calls from telemarketers offering add-on services to credit cards ("Super Credit Safety-o-matic Pro will protect you and your dog from identity theft!") that will be free the first month but I can always "cancel later". No thanks.

      People forget this stuff regularly. For example, I've worked with a number of nonprofits that offer monthly giving as an option (e.g. instead of giving $100 now, you can sign up for the organization to charge your credit card $10/month). A surprising number of donors forget that they do this, and after a year or two will notice the charge on their credit card and ask what it's about. Or they will remember the original donation but forget that they signed up for monthly donations, so they think they are old donors when really they're current donors.

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    105. Re:Why... by Dekortage · · Score: 1

      Huh... I don't bittorrent at all, but we've got several computers here pushing through an old Netgear box that cost me $100 a few years ago... hasn't been reset in at least a year.

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    106. Re:Why... by pAnkRat · · Score: 1

      You forgot the step between 2 and 3:

        Step 3: ...
        Step 4: Profit!

      See?

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    107. Re:Why... by Von+Helmet · · Score: 1

      Just to point out, if you RTFP (post) mattytee doesn't say it's ok, he says it's "hinky." Which might NOT mean okay. I admit, I don't know what it ACTUALLY means, so it might mean "good." I don't think I'd enjoy being called "hinky" so it doesn't sound like he's saying "You can opt out, so it's cool."

      Marshal Biggs: It's hinky, Sam. I mean, this guy is a college graduate. He became a doctor. I mean, he ain't gonna go through here with all this security. Hinky.
      Deputy Marshal Samuel Gerard: Biggs, what does that mean, hinky?
      Marshal Biggs: I don't know. Strange. Weird.
      Deputy Marshal Samuel Gerard: Well, why don't you say strange or weird? I mean hinky, that has no meaning.
      Marshal Biggs: Well, we say hinky.
      Deputy Marshal Samuel Gerard: I don't want you guys using words with no meaning.

    108. Re:Why... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      Yeah but how many grandmothers or computer noobs out there don't realize its the router sending them this message and not someone faking them to click on a link,....a router should do what a router does, and Ive already bought the router, when you sold it to me you said the HARDWARE & software were working condition...now you find a bug and charge me for the patch....please even M$ doesn't do this...

    109. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am currently typing this on a TrendNet

      your router has a keyboard?

      :)

    110. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually used to work for a D-Link tech support call center. RMA's all day long my friend. Oh the horror...

    111. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about not pay them extra for "crapware kickbacks" and punish them by NOT buying when the implement it. In the end, you get a cheaper product without the threat of it happening under the covers later (e.g. not getting enough "crapware kickback so lets do it anyway".

      As said above, Belkin tried this before and failed. When it happens, vote with your wallet and they'll get the message next quarter's financial report. ;)

    112. Re:Why... by azemute · · Score: 2, Informative

      WRT54G isn't *really* a comparable device. It lacks both gigabit ethernet as well as Wireless-N [draft2] support. Don't get me wrong, I love the WRT54 series, but you may as well compare apples to apples.

    113. Re:Why... by fbjon · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you're having sex with your routers, you're not fully understanding porn on the internet.

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    114. Re:Why... by CheckeredFlag · · Score: 1

      Sure. It was supposed to be added to the firmware, but disabled by default. Riiight...

      And in the docs it was supposed to say "If you want to enable this cool feature that will randomly intercept your web traffic and send you to an ad promoting even more of our cool stuff, then check this box here!" Yeah, I'm sure that is how it was SUPPOSED to happen.

      Or maybe they intended it to be implemented with a configurable url for April Fool pranksters....

    115. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would anyone buy a $500 router for home use? I could buy 17 of these crappy d-links for that amount. Even if the d-links burn out 10 times as fast, that's still a way better deal.

      It's like when people claim you should buy a $1500 computer instead of a $500 computer because it'll last a year longer.

      Note that the "anyone" is hyperbole. Obviously there's some less-than-one-percent of the population that gets a benefit beyond what comes in the crappy routers.

    116. Re:Why... by b0bby · · Score: 1

      I'll give props to my Snapgear SG300 here - currently at 250 days uptime since the last power outage, never had to reset it in 4+ years unless I did a firmware update. Really a rock solid little product.

    117. Re:Why... by glock22ownr · · Score: 1

      Linksys used to be good until Cisco bought them and pimped all the hardware so that you couldn't install 3rd party firmware, and you'd have to buy Ciscos bullshit. They nuked the hardware so bad that their own firmware was unstable, which was when I decided I would never buy Linksys again. At this point I don't think there's a decent router out there... I've tried Linksys, D-Link, Netgear, some piece of shit I can't remember the name of, and finally settled for Buffalo something or other. The Buffalo router while missing many features gives me very little shit, still not good as it could be.

      Honestly the best setup I had was running Smoothwall, and that was a while back. My wireless router was just there to push signal, it had no control over my interwebs. It just sucks that I have to build a box with 3 NICs in it just to have decent f*ing routing, port forwarding and so on.

      That being said the Smoothwall setup was pretty nice...

      Oh and ... WEAK D-LINK!!! WEAK!!! FEATURE!?!?!? GO F*k A GOAT! Maybe you can fool some regular reject user to believe the horseshit you're trying to shovel our way but when you talk to someone in the IT industry and feed us that shit... you're just insulting us. Go F*k yourselves... if you wondered how I felt!

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    118. Re:Why... by Pinchiukas · · Score: 1

      I remember reading a review of some kind of network devices, and dlink was the only one without a heatsink (they all used same chips). That should tell you something about their priorities and the quality/reliability of the device.

    119. Re:Why... by AmericanGladiator · · Score: 1
      The fact that this got modded to 5 says a lot about the Slashdot mentality.

      "... burn the place down or kill a few key people"

      I'm beginning to wonder if slashdot is entirely populated by Ted Kaczynski wannabees? What do you do when somebody cuts in front of you on the road - follow them home and murder their family?

    120. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buffalo was quite good although I think they're currently getting shat upon due to patent claims.

    121. Re:Why... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Wow,I really stepped into that one,didn't I? That's what I get for posting when I have been up 2 days with a headache. But seriously,for those that just want a cheap reliable router the TrendNet and ZoneNet routers are ultra cheap and so far I haven't been called to replace any yet. They don't get hot,have a nice and easy to manage web interface,and they usually have a rebate running on the Trendnet routers that will often knock them down to $10-15. IMHO you just can't beat that for a 4 port router.

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    122. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we need an "-1 Plain wrong" moderation option!

      Oh, the irony.

    123. Re:Why... by LarsG · · Score: 1

      The cable modem has been unstable and the troubleshooting steps taught to the other people in the domicile is "restart all them boxes". So, no impressive uptime to paste.

      In my experience, pretty much all home broadband routers are stable when they are using proper firmware like Tomato, dd-wrt or open-wrt. Just make sure you get one (e.g. WRT54GL) that is supported.

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    124. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in the UK a lot of charities no longer stand around with buckets (or whatever) asking for donations, they stand around with clipboards asking for details to set up a monthly direct debit. I can't tell you how annoying I find the practice. I quite like giving a few quid to a charity if I see them standing there asking for donations but I refuse to have a charity take money off of me every month and making me feel guilty if I stop the payments. Most people I know feel the same way so I always wonder how much money charities actually lose due to not taking hard money as a donation.

    125. Re:Why... by diegocn · · Score: 1

      They will tell you it's a *feature* help you manage your *rights*, aka, DRM

    126. Re:Why... by steveo777 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you're right. This is pretty much on par with people who yell at you after someone breaks into your car. They blame you for leaving something in there that some one might want.

      Me: Some ass-hat broke into my car and stole my CD's and my sunglasses.
      Friend: Well you shouldn't have left them in there.

      We're letting criminals off the hook because we didn't prevent the crime (opt out, hide the CD's) and blaming those who are affected. It's almost safer to be a petty thief just because people are too lazy to go after you.

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    127. Re:Why... by Artuir · · Score: 1

      "Because the sex is terrific, and they really WANT to change!"

      But why would you want to change your sex if it's so great? Seems like a big lifestyle change to me over a router. This thread has me very confused.

    128. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's actually really easy to disable. It's a single check box in the router configuration page.

      It took me less than 5 seconds to do.

    129. Re:Why... by corsec67 · · Score: 1

      I have 3 routers running Tomato:

      2* Wrt-54GLs, one as a base station and the other as a client:
      306 days, 20:34:49
      267 days, 10:53:39

      1 Buffalo WHR-G54S, which actually lives outside, in a sealed box:
      152 days, 15:23:18

      The 2 Linksus router get used for Bittorrent occasionally, with no issues that aren't related to antenna misalignment or interference.

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    130. Re:Why... by Mantrid · · Score: 1

      Plus you can run MLPPP (even on a single connection), and get around Bell throttling your DSL (even though you are only using their phone lines and are actually with a different DSL provider).

    131. Re:Why... by DrVomact · · Score: 1

      It is a scummy thing to do, but hardly illegal, and it's being made out to be a lot worse than it actually is. Had it been disabled by default, or perhaps included instructions on the site it directs you to on how to disable it then it wouldn't be an issue.

      I can see the dialog now:

      Would you like us to randomly direct your web browser to our advertising site instead of the site you are really trying to access? Enter Yes or No:

      Do you think maybe there's a reason why they chose not to make this feature "opt in"? Like maybe you'd have to be into serious self-flagellation to actually want your router to mess with you like this? Hence the resort to deception.

      As for being "made out to be a lot worse than it actually is", I suppose that calling this behavior "DNS highjacking" is just a wee bit hyperbolic. No DNS records are being messed with...just you, the customer. I don't know anything about you, but when I buy a router, I am buying a device that allegedly enhances the security of my computer's connection to the outside world. I expect the router to serve my interests—and that means doing nothing to interfere with my outbound signal traffic, and protecting me from the huge amount of malicious port probes and other unwanted in-bound traffic. For me, it is essential that a router be trustworthy. Just as I require the locksmith who installs a new lock on my front door to be trustworthy, I must be able to trust my router to act on my behalf, and not in the interests of, say, the manufacturer's marketing department. What D Link has done is something like a locksmith who gives a copy of my door key to a burglar alarm salesman, so that salesman can walk uninvited into my home to sell me an alarm. When I complain, the locksmith says he did me a favor—besides, I could have just asked him not to give away keys.

      I don't know about you, but this incident has completely undermined my faith in D Link. I have one of their routers now, and will be replacing it with a Linksys ASAP.

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    132. Re:Why... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Well, the Duma was much better than the Czar, at least for the short while that it existed. Unfortunately they got overthrown by Lenin, who was followed by Stalin, who was a reincarnation of Ivan the Terrible. Currently things seem quite confused, but it looks as if the Duma may have reappeared. (I haven't been following things closely, and anyway these patterns play themselves out over generations, so short intermittent changes aren't unexpected.)

      China is a better case. When the party chairman was Mao, he was pretty clearly a Chinese Emperor. Currently it's not so clear. They may actually be changing their system of government to a bureaucracy without an Emperor. I'm not at all sure that this is an improvement. It can be, but that all depends on the Emperor. Still, I consider it quite likely that within a generation or two there will be a new Imperial Dynasty and Mandrinate. (Not all of the Emperors were powerful...it's just that under Mao the Emperor and the head of the Mandrinate were combined in one person, and not made hereditary. However I expect the prior system to resurrect itself from the ashes like a Phoenix, symbol of the Empress. (Egyptian phoenix, anyway. I'm not sure that Chinese phoenixes resurrect themselves.)

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    133. Re:Why... by powerlord · · Score: 1

      You could always go for an Airport Extreme from apple.

      Support IPv6, and decent options.

      Not too geeked out, but pretty reliable and plays very nicely with the rest of the network.

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    134. Re:Why... by 21mhz · · Score: 1

      I dunno. My el cheapo P-660HW has a buggy SIP gateway that can't be switched off in the regular web admin interface. In earlier firmwares it had a bug in Wi-Fi WMM, also the apparent link strength degraded over time. It survived an Ubuntu release upgrade pull only on the third attempt. The feature set is quite OK, though.

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    135. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tolerated by your customers?

      Evidently. People are stupid. And there are more of them than there are of us. Shoddy quality is just profitable, despite the removal of our buying power.

    136. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe this was the case of Rogers cable in Ontario. There was such a huge negative outcry about their negative billing practice that the provincial government extended laws to cover the cable companies. An episode worthy of the most esteemed American corporations as Comcast!

    137. Re:Why... by afidel · · Score: 1

      The biggest way to increase VoIP quality is to set your hosts to use an MTU of 576. At typical US broadband rates the time to transmit a 1200 byte packet is long enough to seriously affect jitter, especially if your VoIP packet gets behind two data packets (one just started and another in the queue).

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    138. Re:Why... by afidel · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about the v2 having problems with stock firmware or hardware problems? I mostly see the v2 for sale now and was thinking about getting one to run DD-WRT.

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    139. Re:Why... by afidel · · Score: 1

      Just turn off NAT in any of the routers that supports linux, it's not like disabling the IPTables rules is too difficult if you are already installing linux =)

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    140. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And only costs three times as much as the other vendors, in addition to randomly overheating and melting down. No thank you.

    141. Re:Why... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      well no, I didn't have the thing set up to be able to use BT - it was blackholed from the outside, basically. Anyway, it'd die whilst surfing random boring stuff like slashdot.

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    142. Re:Why... by Nabeel_co · · Score: 1

      Return it and demand a refund. I did that with my Palm Lifedrive after 4 units broke in 8 months...

    143. Re:Why... by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      Yes, for sure Rogers, I remember that for sure... but also for other cable companies across the country. I was in Winnipeg when that happened and they did the same thing there. Bad enough the CRTC gave them local monopolies, and now a strangle hold on cell phones, but for them to try to pull that... 'nough said.

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    144. Re:Why... by richlv · · Score: 1

      heh. i was talking about http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Asus/WL500GPV2, which, at the point when i was planning my purchase, stated that several components are not supported. it has moved forward, but still claims that "There are many opportunities for this to not work. You should be wise in the ways of building and debugging software. You should engineer a console tty connection. You will probably need a lot of patience.".

      also, http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Asus/WL500GPV2 claims that v1 has a faster cpu.

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    145. Re:Why... by richlv · · Score: 1

      bah. i previewed my post and still missed the error. last link should have been http://wiki.openwrt.org/Hardware/Asus

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    146. Re:Why... by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      True. I guess I'm still thinking about things with that mindset of proprietary firmware. Anyone got a reccomendation for an 802.11n router?

    147. Re:Why... by powerlord · · Score: 1

      And only costs three times as much as the other vendors, in addition to randomly overheating and melting down. No thank you.

      On the other hand, after four-five different routers I played with before, this is the first one that just let me set it up, and then forget about it.

      I haven't had it meltdown since I got it (about 2 years so far), Its been incredibly reliable in a very mixed environment (Linux, Windows, OSX, TiVo, GameSystems), and its taken almost zero maintenance since I set it up.

      As opposed to my previous experience with home routers, which usually needed to be reset every now and then, or needed the antennas adjusted, system rebooted, on occasion, for me at least Apple's product has worked without a problem, or complaint.

      It also provided a better signal quality when I first set it up (probably since the antennas don't need alignment since they are built into the case).

      Yeah ... cost is an issue, but as far as I've seen, its the only one, and I don't mind paying more for a product that actually performs as advertised and has been problem free (and much more friendly to set up than LinkSys and the like).

      When I decided to extend the network in my house, adding an airport extreme as a repeater was painless. I had tried it with LinkSys (both their firmware and the Linux ones), and it was flakey and prone to freezing.

      My only complaint is that configuration is done through a GUI application for either Windows or OSX. Not so great if you're a Linux only shop.

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    148. Re:Why... by dnoyeb · · Score: 1

      I have heard enough chatter about Linksys and DD-Wrt that it has my respect. My Zywall 2+ does not reset. However, my netgear smart switch is a PITA. And the comcast Motorola cable modem does not grap new IP addresses well at all.

  2. Well.... by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, I for one welcome our new SUBSCRIPTION REQUIRED overlords!

    Please click here to renew subscription!

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    1. Re:Well.... by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Subscription required?

      What on earth are you ranting about, the site is someone's personal blog!

    2. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whoosh

    3. Re:Well.... by Microlith · · Score: 1

      YES, it went RIGHT OVER MY HEAD.

      I hesitate to read the sole response, for I certainly deserve it.

    4. Re:Well.... by Fluffeh · · Score: 1
      Oh Lordy! I didn't think that the obligatory "I for one welcome..." joke was that far a step away from the article's text of:

      I noticed when trying to go to Google that my router was hijacking DNS and sent me to a website trying to sell me a software subscription.

      Sheesh, have I had too much coffee this morning, or was it just missed? :)

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    5. Re:Well.... by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Well, I for one welcome our new SUBSCRIPTION REQUIRED overlords!"

      I for one lubs my utterly reliable SUBSCRIPTION FREE m0n0wall box.
      On constantly since 2000, when I built it from an old Asus P55T2P4 and leftovers.

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    6. Re:Well.... by sleeponthemic · · Score: 1

      No need to click. We've pre-ticked your box for your convenience :)

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  3. Huh? by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been using rev1.21 for a few weeks now and I haven't seen this behavior at all.

    Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:51:22 PM

    Firmware Version : 1.21, 2008/09/11

    *shrug*

    1. Re:Huh? by JCSoRocks · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well there's your problem... it was released on 9/11. Of course it came with a few unexpected surprises...

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    2. Re:Huh? by gaderael · · Score: 1

      +1 Ba Zing!

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    3. Re:Huh? by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      I ran into this when I first upgraded the firmware a few weeks ago. I was upset at first, click through it, and forgot about it honestly.

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    4. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hasn't happened to me yet. What's the trigger?

    5. Re:Huh? by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      No no, it's released on the ninth of august 2011. No one ever said it was easy to read dates when written in the American way ;)

    6. Re:Huh? by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Hello is that D-Link customer support?

      Yes, how can I help you?

      Well I upgraded to firmware version 1.21 and now, every time I try to access Google, a Boeing 767 flies in through the window, bursts in to flames and causes my house to collapse.

      I see. Can you try switching the router off, waiting for five seconds, switching it on again and then retrying the URL.

      OK..... [five seconds elapses]. Accessing Google now... It's done it again!

      Right. While you were doing that, did you notice any CIA agents in your living room carrying demolition charges? ...

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  4. Is there any kind of agreement? by dmomo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Before installing the new firmware, are you asked if this is Okay? If not, do they make it clear how it can be disabled?

    I am now reluctant to upgrade my DLink firmware. Is it's easy and clear that one can opt out.

    1. Re:Is there any kind of agreement? by prelelat · · Score: 1

      TFA states that it was as simple as clicking it off in the advanced settings. The problem here is that it was turned on by default and called a feature.

    2. Re:Is there any kind of agreement? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      I'm a certified Maverick! dmomo.isamaverick.com

      You are? Do you have the 302, or are you a crappy little straight six model?

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    3. Re:Is there any kind of agreement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TFA states that it was as simple as clicking it off in the advanced settings. The problem here is that it was turned on by default and called a feature.

      Sounds like it is a feature. A new one at that. So having it initially enabled to call attention to itself doesn't seem to be too much of a problem.

      User now knows the feature exists. User was able to disable it. As long as the feature doesn't pester the user every day or week or month and stays turned off I do not see what the problem is.

    4. Re:Is there any kind of agreement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You shoulda been reluctant to buy DLink HARDWARE because they're complete and utter garbage.

  5. Thank you! by Per+Wigren · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thank you so much for the warning! I'll stay on 1.20 then and my next router certainly won't be a D-link.

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    1. Re:Thank you! by Per+Wigren · · Score: 4, Informative

      Replying to myself to add some info. Firmware v1.20 doesn't have the "Advanced -> Secure Spot" page they mention so it really seems to be be new in v1.21. The 1.20 firmware can still be downloaded from here.

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    2. Re:Thank you! by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      Thank you so much for the warning! I'll stay on 1.20 then and my next router certainly won't be a D-link.

      Seeing as how reliable D-Link routers are (based on previous experience) I'd imagine it won't be long.

    3. Re:Thank you! by ender- · · Score: 1

      Seeing as how reliable D-Link routers are (based on previous experience) I'd imagine it won't be long.

      I dunno, I've been very happy with my DIR-655. It's been the most stable router I've had yet. I've had it for a year and I've only had to reboot it once due to it not responding. The last 3 routers I've owned had to be rebooted weekly at least.

      As another mentioned above, I too have been running 1.21 firmware for awhile and I haven't seen any unusual redirects. I might have disabled it when I installed it, I can't recall. I guess I'll have to go doublecheck when I get home.

  6. Ran across this just the other day... by dr_wheel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I helped my father-in-law purchase a wireless router for his home and set it up for him recently. I was rather surprised when I updated the firmware and was then greeted by spam upon opening a web browser. I have to say that I'm really disappointed by d-link on this one. Here's to hoping that the backlash is enough to make them reconsider doing this type of stuff again.

    Generally speaking, I'm a fan of their networking equipment (own a dgl-4300 that I'm very happy with myself), but if this is the direction that they are going in, I won't be buying or recommending their stuff anymore. I plan on e-mailing them and telling them I am unhappy with their practices.

  7. It's about as legal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...as advertising an orange and switching it for a pair.

    If you sell a router, that's all it should be. a router that rewrites DNS and routes wrong is...a paperweight.

    1. Re:It's about as legal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a pair of what?

    2. Re:It's about as legal... by VirginMary · · Score: 4, Funny

      Personally I'd be very happy if I got two oranges rather than just one!

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    3. Re:It's about as legal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he meant pear, dumbass.

    4. Re:It's about as legal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't decide whether I'd rather my router had an orange, or a pair. Whether I'd put it in a fruit basket, or have to have trousers made for it.

    5. Re:It's about as legal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was being facetious, tightass.

    6. Re:It's about as legal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a pair of what?

      A pair of Salamancan Biting Pears, of course. (LOL WUT?)

    7. Re:It's about as legal... by Renraku · · Score: 1

      You could be on to something there.

      A router has a pretty well-known (at least, to people in the networking world) function. To have it actually shape/alter/etc traffic to try to generate revenue, well, it sounds more like adware now.

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    8. Re:It's about as legal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, pare it down a little.

    9. Re:It's about as legal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A pair of tits. But I don't think any slashdotters would complain if they tried to buy a router and got a pair of tits, instead.....

  8. Cheers! by Sasayaki · · Score: 3, Funny

    Won't be buying any more Dell hardware for a while!

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    1. Re:Cheers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Won't be buying any more Dell hardware for a while!

      Dell?? is there something about D-Link that I'm missing?

  9. Without SecureSpot 2.0 by KoD7085 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I haven't upgraded to 1.21; however, the reason was when 1.21 first dropped it had SecureSpot. Now I found this out by reading the information on 1.21 so I didn't download and install it. They now (and have for some time) offer 1.21 without SecureSpot; perhaps you should download and install that.

  10. From The FA by Blue+Stone · · Score: 2, Informative

    >You can disable this feature by logging into the router and clicking the Advanced Tab and Secure Spot on the left side.

    >D-Link Customer Service

    Unethical to enable it by default and not tell the customer about it *until* it hijacks the connection (if you ask me) but easily disabled apparently.

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  11. Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Knara · · Score: 1, Informative
    From the goddamn article:

    Hi Brandon, What you experienced was not an Attempt to "Hijack" your connection. In fact what it is an added feature called "Secure Spot", It is software that is built into the router, which is used to replace or work along with your firewall/Antivirus/Antispam software. It also provides more parental controls. This feature does require a subscription if you want to use it but it is entirely optional. This feature replaces a hardware device that we had that did the same tasks. The DSD-150. You can disable this feature by logging into the router and clicking the Advanced Tab and Secure Spot on the left side. D-Link Customer Service

    So, you can turn it off. Not only that, but as of 9/30 there's a separate link at their firmware download page for the DIR-655 that says (in plain view, in a sensible spot): Click here for Firmware 1.21 WITHOUT SecureSpot 2.0

    Should they have included that in a readme/changelog for the firmware? Maybe, but since they were all too happy to tell you how to turn it off, this really doesn't seem like a huge offense to me.

    Conclusion? Non-story.

    Plus, upgrading your firmware "just because". Why?

    1. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Per+Wigren · · Score: 4, Informative

      Plus, upgrading your firmware "just because". Why?

      Because router firmware upgrades often mean closing security holes.

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    2. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Ryokurin · · Score: 4, Informative

      The non securespot version has been there since the firmware was released. Its simply a case of the submitter not reading and comprehending. Either way, it asks you if you want to try it twice, and then leaves you alone.

    3. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by JustinOpinion · · Score: 5, Insightful

      there's a separate link at their firmware download page for the DIR-655 that says (in plain view, in a sensible spot): Click here for Firmware 1.21 WITHOUT SecureSpot 2.0

      Well, I highly doubt that most customers know what "SecureSpot" is. So how are they supposed to know to download the non-annoying firmware update? Of course, you may say that this is the customer's problem: they should read up on all the features that are being installed in the firmware update, and be sure that this is really what they want, etc.

      And, yes, in principle everyone should read every line of each and every EULA.

      The fact is that any reasonable person would expect a firmware update to only fix bugs and security flaws. It would not be normal to expect entirely new features to be installed, and it is certainly abnormal for the new "feature" to actually include nagware that prompts you to pay for some new service.

      The point here is that what they are doing is sleazy. The default configuration should have that redirect turned off. The link for a "without SecureSpot" firmware is nice, but the fact is that 99.9% of users will only notice that after they have already installed, and been annoyed by, the default update.

      It's an annoying thing to do with a firmware update. And in that sense, it's a reason to not do business with them.

    4. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by knifeyspooney · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Conclusion? Non-story.

      What if I want SecureSpot for its useful features? What if I didn't know SecureSpot redirects me like that?

    5. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by JCSoRocks · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well now I know why the media is so sensationalist and ridiculous - apparently the average citizen / slashdotter isn't any better...

      If it was that easy to resolve why even bother taking the time to post about it? It seems like it took longer to complain than it did to fix it.

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    6. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by kybosch · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would agree. I, too, downloaded the version without secure-spot. When I saw that there was two versions, I went back and double checked what the difference was between the two versions. Saved myself some trouble.

      I have to say, though, that Belkin has done this for years. I had a Belkin 54g router that always spammed me with child protection features after every firmware update. I am surprised that no one else has mentioned Belkin in this. (Or did I mod filter them out?)

    7. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by aztracker1 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      People that can't figure out how to turn this off, most likely won't be upgrading their own firmware.

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    8. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And, yes, in principle everyone should read every line of each and every EULA.

      In principle, there should be no such thing as EULAs.

    9. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Knara · · Score: 0

      People that can't figure out how to turn this off, most likely won't be upgrading their own firmware.

      Exactly. And they won't care about securespot, thinking its just another advertisement.

    10. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Knara · · Score: 1

      What if I want SecureSpot for its useful features?

      Then, as an industrious person who was upgrading their own firmware, you could read about it when you downloaded it on D-link's website.

      What if I didn't know SecureSpot redirects me like that?

      If you didn't know that it did, you most likely would simply think it was another online ad. And as said earlier in this comment list, the thing buggers off the second time you say no.

    11. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by ParanoiaBOTS · · Score: 1

      Plus, upgrading your firmware "just because". Why?

      I can only imagine that with this attitude you are running Windows XP(pre SP1), and IE6 (no updates). Because installing updates "just because". Why? In all seriousness though firmware updates are usually released for several reasons, here are two major ones: Security updates(very important), Bugs in the original firmware (less important but good to have).

    12. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Knara · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Plus, upgrading your firmware "just because". Why?

      Because router firmware upgrades often mean closing security holes.

      While one might think this at first, there's no evidence that this is the case for this incident. It's just as likely, without a firmware being released with specific notes about "holes" that it "plugged", that the update created more bugs.

      In this case, it was "I felt like upgrading the firmware". The downfalls: User obviously didn't know how the feature set changed (because didn't do research before upgrading the firmware, just saw that one number was larger than the other) and there's always the possibility of bricking your router that is already working just peachy.

      So, no, I don't accept your reasoning, even though it seems "sensible" at the start.

    13. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by syncmaster955 · · Score: 1

      Plus, upgrading your firmware "just because". Why?

      Because I get dozens of emails a day telling me she will like it if you "Vpgr@d3 y0ur f1rmw@re"

    14. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by NFN_NLN · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From the goddamn article:

      So, you can turn it off. Not only that, but as of 9/30 there's a separate link at their firmware download page for the DIR-655 that says (in plain view, in a sensible spot): Click here for Firmware 1.21 WITHOUT SecureSpot 2.0

      Plus, upgrading your firmware "just because". Why?

      Double flame to you buddy.

      1) I wouldn't call "WITHOUT SecureSpot 2.0" in plain view. It's not like SecureSpot means anything to me. It has the name Secure so it sounds like something I would want. Now if they named it KickInTheBalls 2.0 or maybe SlapInTheFace 3.2 I would know to avoid it. SecureSpot means nothing to me.

      2) Upgrading firmware on a firewall/router why? Are you kidding me? You're going to be-little people who pro-actively secure their main entry point to the outside world. From now on you should lose your Slashdot posting privs.

    15. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Knara · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      1) I wouldn't call "WITHOUT SecureSpot 2.0" in plain view. It's not like SecureSpot means anything to me. It has the name Secure so it sounds like something I would want. Now if they named it KickInTheBalls 2.0 or maybe SlapInTheFace 3.2 I would know to avoid it. SecureSpot means nothing to me.

      If I'm updating a piece of hardware's firmware, and there's an alternative download that is prominently displayed right next to the link that says "without ", I'm going to wonder what it is and check it out. If you don't have that sort of curiosity, you're in for some pain later down the line.

      2) Upgrading firmware on a firewall/router why? Are you kidding me? You're going to be-little people who pro-actively secure their main entry point to the outside world. From now on you should lose your Slashdot posting privs.

      Again, this is not "I saw that there were vulnerabilities and so I updated." This was, "Well, I saw that the version number was higher, and higher is better, so I did it!" That sort of blind upgrade practice is dangerous because it can lead to surprises (as it did here, which was thankfully innocuous).

    16. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Knara · · Score: 1

      Plus, upgrading your firmware "just because". Why?

      I can only imagine that with this attitude you are running Windows XP(pre SP1), and IE6 (no updates). Because installing updates "just because". Why? In all seriousness though firmware updates are usually released for several reasons, here are two major ones: Security updates(very important), Bugs in the original firmware (less important but good to have).

      Yes, but as I said to another poster, blinding applying firmware updates simply because there is a new version can lead to some nasty surprises (we can all think of them, I'm sure). This wasn't a "I knew of a vulnerability and so got the appropriate firmware to fix the problem," situation, but rather a "it's a higher version number, so it's better!" situation.

    17. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So your message is "it's just a small pile of shit, swallow it already?"

      No, sir!

      It's still abuse if it's a small abuse. There's no such thing as "a little pregnant" or "a little dead". Abuse is abuse is abuse.

      Why is this abuse? Because you will be very hard pressed to find a single customer who bought the product, expecting such a feature or, had you asked him, approving it.

      If I give you a contract to paint my living room, that does not include the permission to record a porn movie while you're at it. And if I buy a router to handle my traffic, I don't give it permission to reroute me to advertisement.

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    18. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The non securespot version has been there since the firmware was released.

      "without SecureSpot" certainly doesn't sound like "without spam". It much more sounds like that version is lacking a security feature, don't you think?

      Either way, it asks you if you want to try it twice, and then leaves you alone.

      So? It shouldn't even "ask" once. Remember that "ask" in this case means intercepting and manipulating traffic. I'm not familiar with applicable US law, but in the UK and Germany, where I know the law a little, this "feature" runs afoul of criminal laws.

      Besides, what kind of attitude is that? It's ok to feel up your wife if I stop after being told twice not to?

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    19. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Thaelon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Completely agreed.

      No more Linksys purchases for me.

      And that ladies & gentlemen is how you deal with a company that misbehaves. You starve them to death.

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    20. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely right. I'm VERY glad I actually made it down 1 screen to the voice of reason here.
      This is blasphemy, user error, libel, and ignorance.

      This definitely changed people's opinions about D-link for the negative, without merit. Nice job.

      RTFEULA or don't, but let's not hook the firehose up to our assholes without some sort of filter.

    21. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi there, welcome to slashdot! Sorry, but the "editors" don't and arguably never really have. Inaccurate summaries generate comments and ad impressions, after all ..

      My favourite incident was when we had 3 DUPES OF THE SAME STORY ON THE FRONT PAGE, containing broadly the same summary and links. Apart from anything else there is supposedly (according to Taco) and automated script that checks for link commonality.

    22. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Kleen13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ya, but that's what release notes are for... I don't upgrade till I have a reason to. Back in my "Firmware Release Whore" days, I downgraded often, and it was a pain in the ass. (BEFSR41, the best residential router of it's time IMHO)

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    23. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Kleen13 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ahhhh, the answer is right there..... This is Slashdot. Half of it's purpose is to complain. Not that I'm complaining.....

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    24. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by smallfeet · · Score: 1

      I just upgraded my 655 from the Update Firmware link on the routers admin page and got the non SecureSpot version. I think most of us noobs are going to do it that way.

    25. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by ibbey · · Score: 2, Informative

      It would not be normal to expect entirely new features to be installed

      Oh, it wouldn't, eh?

      iPhone users, you hear that? You should be pissed at Apple for adding new features to your phone. How dare they try to make you experience better. Same for you Tivo users, and early adopters everywhere. Tell the companies: I bought your product when it sucked, and I LIKE it that way. STOP TRYING TO MAKE MY EXPERIENCE BETTER!

      I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. Firmware upgrades frequently add new features, and if those features are intended to make you internet connection more secure, then it is ABSOLUTELY reasonable for them to be added. I agree that the way D-Link handles the process (assuming that it is really the way it's described in the article) is bad, but the mere addition of the feature isn't. Criticize them all you want for their nagware, but don't be an idiot and complain that just because they are trying to add new features to their products they are somehow a bad company.

    26. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by ibbey · · Score: 3, Funny

      No more Linksys purchases for me.

      And that ladies & gentlemen is how you deal with a company that misbehaves. You starve them to death.

      Brilliant strategy... A company pisses you off, so you boycott their competitor. That'll teach 'em!

    27. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by ibbey · · Score: 1

      And frankly, people who can't figure out how to turn off SecureSpot probably should something like it installed.

    28. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by cgenman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We live in a world where we have to automatically upgrade adobe PDF, java, windows, iTunes, firewalls, antiviruses, antispam, smartphones, wmv codecs, xvid codecs, divx codecs, everything HP ever produced, video game consoles, etc. Of course people automatically update their routers: it's what we've been conditioned to do.

    29. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either way, it asks you if you want to try it twice, and then leaves you alone.

      That's twice too many. If I pay for an item that is supposed to do a particular job, then I want it to do that job, and that job only - I don't want it advertising at me.

    30. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you always document yourself and read the whole changelogs before you do an apt-distupgrade? And I suppose you do the same before allowing Firefox to upgrade? Hell, Google Chrome doesn't even ask for my confirmation, it just upgrades it's self from time to time!

      So, no, I accept that reasoning, because I don't have 25h/day to study change logs and I am not 150% paranoid about every company.

      It probably seems "sensible" to you to check if the restaurant poisoned your food before you begin eating.

    31. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recently found a hole on their DNS323 but was unable to find someone I could report it to. Most to the tech support ppl were trying to help me fix my config. Duh ...

    32. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Link please or STFU. AFO.

    33. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      The fact is that any reasonable person would expect a firmware update to only fix bugs and security flaws. It would not be normal to expect entirely new features to be installed

      Well, depending on how you define update (not an increase of the major version number?), how else would you add new features to what is essentially a small computer? I'm personally happy when new features are added to my router, although they haven't been spam - yet. They generally add capabilities that weren't present or were lacking in their implementation.

      ...and it is certainly abnormal for the new "feature" to actually include nagware that prompts you to pay for some new service.

      Can't argue that one.

      --
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    34. Re:Slashdot Editors, Do Some Editing by Thaelon · · Score: 1

      Woops, that should have been D-Link!

      The two brands been nearly merged in my mind since I recently switched from a D-Link to a Linksys and spent a few days router shopping.

      My old D-Link router started inexplicably blocking torrent traffic. Everything else worked fine - connecting my computer directly to the LAN jack in the wall (I have fiber to the house, not cable or DSL) proved that my ISP wasn't muddling with the traffic.

      --

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  12. There is also a firmware without secure spot 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    If you look under the revision history of the 1.21 firmware - there is a link to download the new firmware without Secure Spot 2.0. Just look for: "Click here for Firmware 1.21 WITHOUT SecureSpot 2.0" and click on that...

  13. New D-link business plan by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    Great, now I'm going to have to clean all the crapware off my new computers AND my new routers. Maybe they'll make us pay extra for a spam-free router in the future.

    --
    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    1. Re:New D-link business plan by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      Old Celeron 466: Free
      Linux: Free
      Two four-port 100Mbps network cards off ebay: $35
      Wireless USB adapter: $25

      Peace of mind from having a router with software you trust: Priceless.

      --
      "They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
    2. Re:New D-link business plan by DeathElk · · Score: 1

      Antique hardware running 24/7: Expensive, both fiscally and environmentally.

  14. you enable this feature by yourself? by bluemoonj · · Score: 1

    I have DIR-655 with fireware 1.21, and used it for several weeks, but I don't you the problem you described, I think you enabled this feature when you clicking around after you upgraded the firmware :)

  15. Belkin has done this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Back in 2003 Belkin introduced a router that periodically redirected HTTP connections to advertise its own software:
        Help! my Belkin router is spamming me

    Some commentary:
        Ease-of-use or marketing-driven sabotage: Does your hardware's software do only what you expect of it?

  16. Just like Belkin back in 2003 by alanw · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's an old article about Belkin doing a very similar thing:

    Belkin, the consumer networking and connectivity firm, has promised customers a firmware upgrade to disable a controversial 'spamming' feature built into its routers.

    As first reported on The Reg last week, the feature hijacks random HTTP requests every eight hours and redirects users to a page advertising Belkin's parental control software. There is an opt-out link but that failed to appease Net users who accused Belkin of creating a new mechanism for spam.

    1. Re:Just like Belkin back in 2003 by djwudi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Possibly also of interest: The /. thread for the Belkin incident, and I put a small collection of related Google Group links in a weblog post back then. The Belkin incident was the first thing I thought of when I saw this story post. Good to know I'm not the only one who remembered that.

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    2. Re:Just like Belkin back in 2003 by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Possibly also of interest: The /. thread for the Belkin incident

      Indeed, this should be included in the "Related links" for this story.

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    3. Re:Just like Belkin back in 2003 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Joke's on them. My Belkin router stops working and requires a hard reset every 7 hours.

    4. Re:Just like Belkin back in 2003 by dynamo52 · · Score: 1

      This is too true to be funny.

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  17. Apparently... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    all your base station are belong to us.

  18. Submitter should not have submitted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think we're all agreeing that the submitter is an idiot for not reading before downloading and the editors should not have posted this "story" in the first place.

    Thread closed.

    1. Re:Submitter should not have submitted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Thread closed."?

      You got your /b/ in my /.!

    2. Re:Submitter should not have submitted by WK2 · · Score: 1

      There are a few people who think as you, that including hijack spam in router firmware is OK. However, if you bothered to read before posting, you would have noticed that the vast majority of posts here agree that this is unacceptable behavior.

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  19. D-Link by LordKaT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've owned several D-Link routers, either through no fault of my own or pressed for time and had to buy it. In all of the years I've had to deal with them, I've learned this:

    D-Link is Shit. Buy Linksys.

    1. Re:D-Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Better than that, google "dd-wrt hardware", and look at what hardware is inside your next router purchase. Get one with at least 16M ram and 4M flash, and upgrade to an open firmware. Tomato is my favorite, it has the slickest admin GUI, on top of full Linux flexibility.

    2. Re:D-Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linksys is shit too. Buy Sonicwall or Cisco.

      (yes, I know Linksys was purchased by Cisco, but they've continued to churn out complete and utter shit that locks up, overheats, and dies randomly. if you want quality, you have to fucking pay for quality. otherwise, don't bitch about that cheap piece of shit you bought.)

    3. Re:D-Link by vux984 · · Score: 1

      D-Link is Shit. Buy Linksys.

      Linksys is even worse shit.

      I currently advocate Netgear at the "cheap-as-dirt" price-point these products fall into, but I'm sure someone will chime in that they are shit too.

      Ultimately you get what you pay for.

    4. Re:D-Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linksys is shit covered in urine.

    5. Re:D-Link by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Informative

      > D-Link is Shit. Buy Linksys.

      > > Linksys is even worse shit.

      Buy the router/AP that has the features you want AND is supported by Tomato, DD-WRT, et al, and don't look back.

    6. Re:D-Link by citylivin · · Score: 1

      All those are shit.

      Roll your own PFsense with whatever hardware you desire.

      --
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    7. Re:D-Link by Twisted64 · · Score: 1

      D-Link is Shit. Buy Linksys.

      That's fascinating. I have learned exactly the opposite. There are huge batches of crappy products for each vendor that come out in waves, IMHO. Most of the Linksys routers we sold broke around the same time and drove us back to D-Link.

      --
      Consciousness is a myth. Trust me.
    8. Re:D-Link by thogard · · Score: 3, Informative

      Better firmware is only part of the problem.

      As a member of Melbourne Wireless where we have lots of cheap wireless routers, I can say the best consistent brand of low end routers is ASUS. I expect they are the OEM for many of the early versions of other routers as well based on looking at the insides.

    9. Re:D-Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      As a tech support worker for a very large ISP I can say that all the end-user brands have shit models, and decent models.

      It really is back and forth. Usually one company will have a crap model run or version, or a shitty firmwware.
      A few months later the other company does something that blows chunks.
      Either way I get a lot of idiots on the phone with router problems, and no one end-user brand is any better than the rest.

      I will say, however, the following:
      Netgear sucks ass, period. If yours works then congrats.
      Linksys is really hit/miss depending on the model and version. Some of them are rock-solid and run cool, others will heat up badly. I think it's a quality control issue, but they do tend to sell more junk hardware to big box stores like WalMart.
      It also depends on what function you enable. If you are using it as a switch with NAT, most of them aren't too bad. Start turning on the rest of the firmware features and then things change, again the model & version make more difference than the manufacturer.
      D-link generally does ok, same with belkin, but both of them have turds too. But if you really want a decent router you need to look into the $200 and above price range to start off with.

      If you have a choice between a Sonicwall and a Cisco, get the Cisco. Sonicwall is the cheap end of the business market, we see problems with them in our business groups quite often, but the other corporate-grade routers like Cisco, Juniper, and Pix are generally rock-solid. And get a UPS, I see more routers get bricked from bad power than anything else.

    10. Re:D-Link by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      D-Link is Shit. Buy Linksys.

      Like drinking Coke because Pepsi has high fructose corn syrup in it.

    11. Re:D-Link by Al+Dimond · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Consumer-grade shit is consumer-grade shit in every industry. But I think we can have some expectation that when we buy a router, even a cheap shitty one, that it makes a best effort to send the data we ask and not its own marketing message. To use a bad car analogy, I don't expect my car to corner like a race car, to tow a 16-wheel trailer, to be as comfortable as a Benz. But I do expect that it steers where I turn the wheel, and not to the nearest mall.

      Lots of consumer-grade shit is ad-supported; we get cheaper shit in exchange for being coerced into buying more cheap shit. Maybe if a company is going to introduce an ad-supported business model to a class of products where it's generally unexpected they should be required to label it prominently.

    12. Re:D-Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      buy the models ending with L

    13. Re:D-Link by garutnivore · · Score: 1

      I've owned several D-Link routers, either through no fault of my own or pressed for time and had to buy it. In all of the years I've had to deal with them, I've learned this:

      D-Link is Shit. Buy Linksys.

      I've owned several Linksys routers and learned the exact opposite. My D-Link router is stable and does not need constant reboots. My Linksys routers needed constant babysitting. The straw that broke the camel's back was when I found my Linksys routers would not route WOL packets. I looked for a firmware upgrade (official or otherwise), found none and said "screw Linksys."

    14. Re:D-Link by Veggiesama · · Score: 1

      After having used Actiontec, Belkin, Linksys, and D-Link, I can do one better:

      Consumer routers are shit. You're better off with cups and string.

    15. Re:D-Link by dcam · · Score: 1

      I'd echo that with a hell yeah. Bought a D-Link modem, found the tools for port forwarding were crippled and had been named something random. The darn thing crashed the first time I ran an rsync with significant data.

      DLink are overpriced crap.

      --
      meh
    16. Re:D-Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe one day we can all buy Buffalo wireless equipment in the US again....

    17. Re:D-Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I've learnt is that Linksys routers fail about once a year and don't offer DHCP reservation. Or to paraphrase:

      Linksys is Shit. Buy SomethingElse.

    18. Re:D-Link by Xphile101361 · · Score: 1

      I agree with this. The only D-link router I have had on me die was because someone plugged the wrong power jack into it and fried it. The numerous LinkSys routers that I've had and supported over time, have all died or required so much babysitting that I just ended up replacing them.

  20. Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't be using a shit D-Link product in the first place.

    I don't care if it's your cat's net connection - their garbage isn't worth 2 minutes. Guess how much time I spend troubleshooting my Sonicwall router. Guess how many times it's locked up on me in the past 4 years. Guess how many times my Cisco switch ($70 on eBay) has caused me problems.

    Protip: if you use shit equipment made by shit companies, prepare to deal with a mountain of shit because of it. You bought that stupid thing, so don't bitch no matter what happens. If you don't know any better, then you deserve what you got. If you do, then you deserve what you got.

    1. Re:Maybe... by UncleTogie · · Score: 1

      Guess how much time I spend troubleshooting my Sonicwall router.

      I don't care for any brand that uses a subscription model to enable features. The SOHO series comes to mind...

      --
      Don't tell me to get a life. I'm a gamer; I have LOTS of lives!
  21. OpenBSD... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One word: OpenBSD, who needs anything else. It's been said before by them and this is just the begining - same goes with binary Linux drivers and the NDA's they sign...

  22. More reasons never to go consumer again by Chas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After massive amounts of pain with consumer/prosumer-grade (many of the D-Link) routers in the past two years, I finally dropped real money for a real broadband router earlier this year. So far, I've had months and months of trouble-free service.

    Now I start hearing crap like this. Makes me even MORE thankful I bit the bullet.

    Also "you can turn it off!" apologists? WHY IT IS ON BY DEFAULT? Moreover, tell that to some luddite who barely understands how to boot his computer.

    --


    Chas - The one, the only.
    THANK GOD!!!
    1. Re:More reasons never to go consumer again by aztracker1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I agree with your sentiment, said Luddite probably won't be updating his own firmware. Personally I think it's a horrible action, but am already a bit pissed off with D-Link hardware.. so doesn't surprise me.

      --
      Michael J. Ryan - tracker1.info
    2. Re:More reasons never to go consumer again by azakem · · Score: 1

      After massive amounts of pain with consumer/prosumer-grade (many of the D-Link) routers in the past two years, I finally dropped real money for a real broadband router earlier this year. So far, I've had months and months of trouble-free service.

      So what are you using now?

    3. Re:More reasons never to go consumer again by cozmicharlie · · Score: 1

      I am also curious to know what you are using now?

    4. Re:More reasons never to go consumer again by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Go get a ZyWall 2. $180 and just fucking works.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    5. Re:More reasons never to go consumer again by Ungulate · · Score: 1

      Um, so what did you buy? I've wanted to make a similar purchase, but was having a hard time even finding something matching the description aside from really expensive Cisco gear.

    6. Re:More reasons never to go consumer again by ion.simon.c · · Score: 2, Insightful

      *points to my $60 WRT54G*

      It has been running OpenWRT in my apartment for the past three or four years. I couldn't be happier.

      What nice things do I get for 3X the cost of this setup?

    7. Re:More reasons never to go consumer again by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 1

      Lets see the datasheet here... no QoS, no VLANs, no dynamic routing except for RIP, no redundancy mechanism for the router itself, two whole VPN connections... I thought you said you left the consumer/prosumer world and got a "real" router?

    8. Re:More reasons never to go consumer again by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      It's not consumer trash. I don't need a pro router for my home network. Also, yes it has VLANs.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    9. Re:More reasons never to go consumer again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that has to be rhetorical question..
      if not, its on by default because no sane person would otherwise turn it on..

    10. Re:More reasons never to go consumer again by Chas · · Score: 1

      You may not.

      I do.

      --


      Chas - The one, the only.
      THANK GOD!!!
    11. Re:More reasons never to go consumer again by Chas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A second WAN interface.
      Gigabit backplane.
      A VPN solution that gives you more than a single-megabit connection speed.

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      Chas - The one, the only.
      THANK GOD!!!
    12. Re:More reasons never to go consumer again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After massive amounts of pain with consumer/prosumer-grade (many of the D-Link) routers in the past two years, I finally dropped real money for a real broadband router earlier this year. So far, I've had months and months of trouble-free service.

      I'm in the market for a new broadband router. Pray tell, what did you buy?

    13. Re:More reasons never to go consumer again by ion.simon.c · · Score: 1

      I see. You must be rich or something. /me can't afford *TWO* Internet connections and is quite happy with the multi-megabit "solution" that is port forwarding over SSH. :)
      I'll stay with stuff I have, thanks.

    14. Re:More reasons never to go consumer again by Chas · · Score: 1

      Never said I had two internet connections.

      However, I do use the second WAN port for testing on occasion.

      And no, I'm not rich (I wish).

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      Chas - The one, the only.
      THANK GOD!!!
  23. So much for D-Link by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even if there's an option to disable this, the fact that it seems to be enabled by default is enough for me. D-Link from this point on will never be on my list of vendors when looking for networking gear.

  24. Idiots... by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apparently they didn't learn from the shitstorm that hit belkin when they did the exact same thing years ago.

    Another vendor goes down the tubes...

    1. Re:Idiots... by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      They sent it down the wrong tube. That's the whole issue! ;-)

    2. Re:Idiots... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Apparently they didn't learn from the shitstorm that hit belkin when they did the exact same thing years ago.

      Belkin wasn't the first. There was a certain third-party ADB keyboard manufacturer that, when the keyboard was idle long enough, would spontaneously type "welcome datacomp" (or "WELCOME DATACOMP" if caps-lock was down) into whatever application was running. I'd bet you'd still find some PDF documents on-line with those words randomly embedded on some page. It even made its way into a couple published books. It should also be in a comp risks digest or two.

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  25. Simple solution... by Guspaz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Only buy home routers that can run opensource firmwares. I'm quite happy with my WRT54GL, although the hardware is a bit antiquated at this point.

    1. Re:Simple solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      buy yourself a Cisco 1720/21 off eBay they are around $50.00 now and much more functional than any SOHO router (and you will learn alot more about "real" networking).

    2. Re:Simple solution... by song-of-the-pogo · · Score: 1

      seconded. after my dlink crapped out on me, i switched to a wrt54gl, stuck dd-wrt on it and have been very satisfied with the results. after reading this story, i'm happier than ever that someone talked me into trying dd-wrt.

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    3. Re:Simple solution... by Eil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My WRT54GL is likewise running just fine. It has OpenWRT which has has no hijacking feature that I'm aware of.

      I'm curious, though, how is the hardware on these antiquated? They really just route ethernet and wifi packets and that's it. Some people are making robots out of them. The last benchmarks that I saw had these things slinging 30Mbits/sec and I know everyone's broadband speed hasn't quadrupled since the WRT came out.

    4. Re:Simple solution... by ion.simon.c · · Score: 1

      *seconding the "antiquated?! wtf?!" sentiment*

      Unless -of course- you're worried about not having gigabit LAN capability, or 802.11n capability... then I can understand the comment.

    5. Re:Simple solution... by WK2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I bought a WRT54GL just a few months ago, and installed DD-WRT on it. It's OK, although DD-WRT has some issues. Nothing worth singing about. The hardware is only "antiquated" in that it has twice the RAM and Flash storage as newer, cheaper devices.

      And I totally agree about only buying routers that can run opensource firmwares.

      --
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    6. Re:Simple solution... by Splab · · Score: 1

      My WRT54GL can easily handle 3-4MB/s (byte) both directions (hardwired).

    7. Re:Simple solution... by linuxpyro · · Score: 1

      I've got a Soedris Net4501 running OpenBSD which I am happy with. I don't mind editing the config file by hand, but you could easily use something like pfSense as well. Some of the other models they have do wifi too.

      --
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    8. Re:Simple solution... by Britz · · Score: 1

      I second this.

      I use Buffalo devices and dd-wrt

    9. Re:Simple solution... by Guspaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Antiquated in four ways:

      1) Uses 802.11g (not n)
      2) Uses FastE (not GigE)
      3) Small amount of RAM (16MB, compared to 32 or 64 in newer routers)
      4) Very slow CPU (200MHz), compared to 260MHz in newer WRTs (WRTSL54GS) or 300+ in other newer models.

      I'm one of the developers maintaining a fork of Tomato that adds support for MLPPP (bonding multiple DSL lines), and the CPU is our primary limitation; you can push ~15mbit aggregate (with QoS) before you start hitting limitations on the 200MHz models. Wireless encryption takes a chunk out of that (a very big chunk), QoS is taking a chunk out of what it could do, etc.

      One user boosted his speed by hacking up our firmware and disabling all routing except for packet forwarding, to use the router as nothing more than a PPP client, letting a full Linux box do the routing. Another heavily overclocked his model from 200 to 250MHz.

      Where we live, 5/800 DSL is standard for wholesalers (who are the ones supporting MLPPP), and it's unlikely that the WRT54GL could handle more than 3 lines.

      A faster CPU would really improve things.

    10. Re:Simple solution... by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      As said in another comment, primarily, the CPU is slow. Newer routers offer significantly more performance. And the thing IS CPU limited when you try to push decent amounts of bandwidth through it.

    11. Re:Simple solution... by bugnuts · · Score: 1

      The newer ones have far less flash, and don't use OSS... thus, hacking into them isn't as obvious.

      Be aware that it's harder to install your own software on the newer linksys wrt54g routers.

    12. Re:Simple solution... by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      I'm not referring to the wrt54g routers. Obviously the later models in the WRT54G were cut down to 2MB flash and 8MB RAM. However some of the newer N models feature 8MB flash and 32MB of RAM. One of the higher end Linksys models features 64MB of RAM with a 300MHz processor, which is an enormous boost over the WRT54GL. Newer versions of the 350N have a 500MHz processor.

      Many competing models have more too. Higher end Asus models have 32 or 64MB of RAM and 256-266MHz processors. The same applies to Buffalo's products.

      The WRT54G series is about 6 years old now. Back when the first version was introduced, the AthlonXP was still AMD's main CPU line! The specs seen in the WRT54GL first appeared about half a decade ago. To say that this isn't antiquated is silly; the router is old hardware, no two ways about it.

      I'm one of two people maintaining a fork of the popular Tomato firmware for the WRT series. The limited CPU power in these things is a constant frustration.

      These days, for only slightly more than the MSRP of the WRT54GL, you can buy a RouterBoard with an 800MHz processor and 64MB of RAM. That's the kind of hardware I'd like to see driven into mass-market consumer products. We could push past all of our current limitations with that sort of hardware.

  26. Re:There is also a firmware without secure spot 2. by Maguscrowley · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised it took this long for someone to point out what you did. Good job though.

    However,there is the tendency though to want to include something that looks like a free feature. The uninformed could easily mistake SecureSpot for being a new free security addon.

    Plenty of people will be dling the version with this new form of adware.

  27. Google Should Sue by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This cannot be allowed to go unpunished. Google should sue since it was their domain name that was hijacked and a clear attack on their business.

    Google should sue because they have lots of high-priced lawyers and can really make DLink regret this.

    --
    "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
    1. Re:Google Should Sue by cjb658 · · Score: 1

      I think it hijacks any domain name. Google is just the one he happened to open when he was hijacked.

    2. Re:Google Should Sue by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

      I think it hijacks any domain name. Google is just the one he happened to open when he was hijacked.

      If it hijacks any domain name then you'd have no Internet connectivity at all.

      --
      "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
  28. That's the end of D-Link. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If true, that's the end of D-Link. We would never buy from them again.

    Why are marketing people allowed to destroy companies? Then they go to a new company and do it again.

    1. Re:That's the end of D-Link. by MrNaz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's been a long time since I bought from DLink anyway. Their products are expensive, inconsistent, unreliable and plain ugly. I hate how they always use non standard names for things like port forwarding, making it hard to talk people through it over the phone.

      This is a new low for DLink, and is further vindication of my strict no-DLink policy.

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    2. Re:That's the end of D-Link. by russotto · · Score: 2, Informative

      If true, that's the end of D-Link. We would never buy from them again.

      Funny, Belkin still seems to be around.

    3. Re:That's the end of D-Link. by bhtooefr · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've actually dealt with a D-Link USB WiFi adapter that the USB connector wasn't soldered to the board.

      It's a wonder the thing even worked at first without giving the user a problem. (Five minutes later, after the user complained, it was working fine... but it didn't work for long.)

    4. Re:That's the end of D-Link. by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      I've actually dealt with a D-Link USB WiFi adapter that the USB connector wasn't soldered to the board.

      Someone should really punk the management a draw them a nice graph.

      Draw a vertical line, labeled "$". Draw to horizontal lines right of it, and tag the three regions "bad engineering", "decent engineering", "excellent engineering".

      For every dollar you save in the zone of excellent engineering, you lose one cent of lost sales to those who want high-end gear. For every dollar you save in the zone of decent engineering, you lose twenty cents in feature-specific-driven sales to competitors. For every dollar you save in the bad engineering zone, you lose ten dollars due to increased load on the customer service, or lost sales due to poor customer service, or lost sales due to nephew Melvin telling aunt Tillie not to buy dlink.

      Do the market research, use the right numbers. But talk to the suits in a language they can understand; i.e. bash or perl: every word starts with a dollar sign ;)

    5. Re:That's the end of D-Link. by bhtooefr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's also a difference between bad engineering and bad assembly.

      The US automakers have learned this one the hard way - some of their cars have amazing engineering. But, all that engineering was let down by poor assembly quality (of both the component parts and of the car itself.)

    6. Re:That's the end of D-Link. by Dancindan84 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've had issues with DLink routers specifically with wireless being picky about working with non-DLink cards, and WPA2 not working correctly. I always go with Linksys. Although I'm sure there's multitudes of people here who've had issues with Linksys as well, I've had nothing but good experiences. My Linksys 4 port wireless router is going on 6-7 years old now and still working perfectly.

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    7. Re:That's the end of D-Link. by AmericanGladiator · · Score: 1

      I'll buy your router. I've been looking at this model. Maybe enough people will be PO'd that I'll find a good deal on eBay.

    8. Re:That's the end of D-Link. by vacuum_tuber · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but I haven't bought from them and my website still has a Belkin with the international negation symbol over it and a link to an explanation of their faux pas.

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  29. Re:Without SecureSpot 2.0-ARE YOU SAYING... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    They now (and have for some time) offer 1.21 without SecureSpot; perhaps you should download and install that.

    Are you saying that there are two different versions of the firmware that both identify as 1.21? That's outrageous in and of itself! How do you even know which one you have?

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  30. DNS spoofing. by PieterBr · · Score: 2, Funny

    D-link: now with built in dns spoofing.

  31. *I WILL NEVER BUY A D-LINK PRODUCT EVER AGAIN by ancient_kings · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I'm so sick and tired of these companies doing dumb, fucking shit like this. FUCK THEM! Don't buy any of their products again. FUCK THEM! FUCJ!

  32. Ugh. Why? by ohtani · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So let's see, Linksys makes generic crap. I'm not completely impressed with my NETGEAR device so I don't think they're that great either. Don't even get me started on how bad Belkin's stuff was. D-Link sounded good, but now this?

    NOW what do we go with?

    I do agree it's not a HUGE issue since it's able to be disabled, but it's still not good that it's an opt in thing. I'd be buying a piece of hardware to connect to the Internet. NOT a subscription service. It may be good for those not comfortable with computers, but still, not so comfortable with those that DO understand them.

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    1. Re:Ugh. Why? by bugnuts · · Score: 1

      So let's see, Linksys makes generic crap. I'm not completely impressed with my NETGEAR device so I don't think they're that great either. Don't even get me started on how bad Belkin's stuff was. D-Link sounded good, but now this?

      Netgear was the one that set the time to a hardcoded ntp address, every hour on the hour. As more and more were sold, they started crushing the ntp server with an hourly packetstorm. They couldn't load balance, either, because it was a hardcoded ip address.

      Linksys makes generic crap, although I just dropped my linksys router (twice... stepped on the cable) and it's still chunking packets like a champ. Plus, you can get OSS for them even today.... although they don't have as much flash as they used to so the software is a bit more limited.

  33. DD-WRT FTW! by boshi · · Score: 0

    I've been rocking a Linksys WRT54GS ( with the 32MB ram, the early ones ) with DD-WRT with an uptime of over a year now.

    A lot of people have had poor stability with the WRT54G series, but from reading online most of it comes from the shoddy power supplies linksys uses, making it sensitive to voltage fluctuations. I've had mine hooked up to an APC and haven't had a single problem since then. A few friends have followed suit and also experienced a lot more stability.

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  34. I thought this was slashdot. by Cytlid · · Score: 1

    This is still slashdot, right?

      Why not have a few thousand people call their tech support, and when you get a human on the phone, try and sell them something?

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    1. Re:I thought this was slashdot. by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      You have to give them money to get to a real person in India... so who is going to do that just to make a point?

  35. it's not illegal... by roc97007 · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...but dlink just fell off my vendor list.

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  36. Re:Without SecureSpot 2.0-ARE YOU SAYING... by KoD7085 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Well you know which one your downloading as the links are as clear as can be (unless you're illiterate in which case you're screwed either way) My guess would be the one without securespot just disables it by default instead of having to manually do it. But I agree, they should have changed the revision (something like 1.21.1). As I said I haven't installed it so I don't know the actual differences.

  37. welcome datacomp by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    And just what is wrong with welcome datacomp ads built into consumer devices?

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  38. I won't buy another D-Link product again... by inject_hotmail.com · · Score: 1

    because they are supposed to provide products that act blindly on my network/with my other devices.

    Now they have proved they cannot be trusted to do so.

    So...do I have to read every line of every changelog to make sure this crap isn't built-in and turned on?

    What if they provide no way to disable it?

    What if the updated firmware has a necessary fix (like the recent DNS hijacks), and I have to choose between being hijacked by retards on another continent, or retards at the company where I bought the device?

    Do I get money for looking at their ads? What happens when it breaks apps? Where do they draw the line? Which other products will be self-infected?

    The problem with stuff like this is that it gets ignored by most people that buy these things, so the company can easily say "WELLL! We get less than 1% complaint rate for this service, so it can't be that unwanted". Furthermore, since they don't see a 'real' backlash, they start infecting other stuff.

    I would say this is unbelievable, but actually, it's quite believable. I wonder just how much advertising one person can be subjected to on a daily basis?

    Get off my lawn.

  39. Linksys + alternative firmware by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 5, Informative

    Linksys isn't so bad if you replace the firmware. Try dd-wrt if you want quick and easy, or OpenWRT if you want to customize. I guarantee you'll like 'em. (Get a WRT-54GL to try it on; they're cheap nowadays.)

    1. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by TrekkieTechie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Mod parent up -- I've been running DD-WRT v23 SP2 on a 54GL and have had zero problems. Current uptime is 68 days, and that's only because I had to break down my equipment to move it to another room. Actual uptime would be more like a year, without ever having to look at it or even think about it.

      Isn't it nice when things just work?

    2. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by bendodge · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I just opened another WRT54GL today (got it for less than $50 from Newegg w/ free shipping), and I'm about to flash DD-WRT to it. I only needed another access point, but I figured that at almost the same price I might as well get something that can be repurposed later.

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    3. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by Veggiesama · · Score: 2, Informative

      Meh. I bought a WRT-54 from the store because I read about how great a product it was, took it home, set it all up... then found out it was a "new and improved" model that had scaled back the onboard RAM so much that installing open-source firmware proved to be impossible. And it's not possible to know what version-model you've purchased until you break open the theft-proof box and look at the label, either. Unfortunately I did not have the luxury to purchase a used box or find the GL model online, but nonetheless I was highly dismayed to find out that my later model had less than half the RAM of earlier models.

      I took it back and decided not to skimp out by spending a mere $80 on a router. So I bought a DIR-655 for around $120 because of all the great reviews it was receiving.

      *sigh*

      To be fair, the DIR-655 has served me QUITE well. The QoS feature is reason alone to justify the extra cost.

      Simple solution to this firmware update, which applies to ALL firmware, regardless of hardware: if it ain't broken, don't patch it.

    4. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 1

      This is why I recommended the WRT-54GL. Depending on which model of the WRT routers you have, you can still run the micro version of dd-wrt, and if you can it will work better for you than your DIR-655. ;-)

    5. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by Jay+L · · Score: 1

      Are there any "alternative firmware" choices for 802.11n? I looked about a year ago, and after trudging through a bazillion long-outdated forum posts and firmware-author flamewars, it seemed there wasn't any. So I bought a D-Link to replace my buggy Netgear.

      Now I'm wondering what's next...

    6. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Installation

      Some of the WRT300N and WRT600N models are usable.

    7. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      I ran DD-WRT for a year or so on my WRT54Gv2, and had all sorts of stability problems (silly neighbors running BitTorrent), requiring router reboots every week or so. I switched to Tomato and went half a year without a reboot...

      As always, my usage is not your usage, so YRMV.

    8. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by corychristison · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As another has mentioned, downloaders beware of the Linksys WRT54G(L). It crumples and dies with nearly any bittorrent connections.

      I had this happen with default firmware and DD-WRT. I've recently switched to a DIY solution running m0n0wall. All gigabit and the difference is clear. However, in total I spent nearly $400.

    9. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somebody else already mentioned this model, but I can recommend the Asus 500 series. I don't remember the particular model I got, but it has several USB ports. With DD-WRT, you can (relatively) easily set the router up to serve files from a USB hard drive, and turn a standard (CUPS/IPP) usb printer into a "wireless" printer. Most importantly, for the purposes of what was asked, DD-WRT supports 802.11N.

    10. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by arkhan_jg · · Score: 1

      I'm a big fan of the linksys WRT160Nv1 with dd-wrt. Just flash with the mini_generic firmware first (to fit inside the stock firmware upload size limit), then you can use dd-wrt itself to install a standard one if you want; I prefer vpn_generic personally, but mini_generic is pretty good on its own.

      The WRT160N a single radio 2.4GHz 802.11n router, and it's almost as cheap as the WRT54GL. There is also the WRT310N which is almost identical to the WRT160N, but it has a Gbit switch inbuilt instead of a 100Mb switch - I've not tried this yet as the hardware isn't available in the UK, but I'll be probably switching to that as my standard when it does.

      If you want dual-band dual radio support (i.e. 2.4Ghz + 5Ghz), there's the WRT600Nv1 - it is mostly supported under dd-wrt. The v1.1 is a work in progress, but there is support using the TNG firmware. Definitely read up the forum post before going this route though.

      I'm waiting on the WRT610N support for that.

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    11. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by arkhan_jg · · Score: 1

      I have heard that tomato is good, but the hardware support is limited; I'm using a lot of WRT160N's with dd-wrt, but there's no 802.11n support in tomato at all unfortunately, or I'd test it out.

      To match anecdotes, I've been using the v24 dd-wrt software on a variety of routers for about 6 months so far, and not had a single problem; ubuntu torrents work fine. But as you say, YMMV.

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    12. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      Off topic, but I want to make sure I have my acronyms straight...

      YMMV = your measurements may vary?
      I used "YRMV" to mean "your results may vary".

      Am I mistaken about something?

    13. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary

    14. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by arkhan_jg · · Score: 1

      YMMV = your mileage may vary. Same thing, different acronym.

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    15. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by stas2k · · Score: 1

      WRT54GL is very stable under OpenWRT. I have IPSEC tunneling routers with uptime just under a year. No disconnects or tunnel failures. These little devices are great! Also I recommend Buffalo high powered routers. They have almost the same hardware as WRT54GL + RF amplifier for times when you really need to crank up those decibels :)

    16. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by works · · Score: 1

      Yes, they do indeed work. Up to a point where your downstream crosses the ADSL2+ threshold and then they stop being such a good little buggers.

      I ran a WRT54GS for ages with dd-wrt and was a happy camper. Until I got a new 110Mb cable connection (I live in Finland). The Linksys' WAN port capacity get's capped by the CPU power to around 2.4mbps and when overclocked to 252Mhz I was able to raise it up to 3.6mbps.

      After changing to DIR-655 I was able to max out my 'net connection.

    17. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by works · · Score: 1

      We so need "edit"..

      But that still doesn't make their current marketing strategy acceptable. Unfortunately for me who was looking "bang-for-buck-WAN-performance" there aren't that many choices in this price category.

    18. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by LarsG · · Score: 1

      Your Mileage May Vary

      That's actually a funny coincidence. Car analogies is a /. meme and that expression originated as a car advertisement disclaimer.

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    19. Re:Linksys + alternative firmware by afidel · · Score: 1

      Asus WL-500W with DD-WRT.

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  40. Why not download the version without Securespot? by menace690 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Its clearly listed on their website.. http://support.dlink.com/products/view.asp?productid=DIR-655

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  41. What's a good router? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

    I'm using an old D-Link, but I noticed it fails occasionally, so maybe it's about to die for good. If I have to get a new one, what brands should I consider or avoid?

    1. Re:What's a good router? by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      A Mini-ITX box running linux does a pretty good job, from what I hear...

    2. Re:What's a good router? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      I think that's overkill... I just want one of those cheap standalone routers, for a home with two or three computers.

    3. Re:What's a good router? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      It all depends what you are looking for out of a router. Also, it should be noted that you could choose DD-WRT and then choose a router which works well with it. I previously had a Belkin, but replaced it with a Linksys router, due to a specific issue I was having with the Belkin router - it would loose http connectivity when I tried uploading with Picasa Web Albums Uploader.

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    4. Re:What's a good router? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The market for consumer brand networking gear is like the proverbial box of chocolates.

      I've had everything from complete scum to completely bulletproof products from many popular SOHO brands: 3Com, Askey, ASUS, D-Link, Edimax, Linksys, Netgear, SMC, US Robotics, ZyXEL, so I never know what to expect from any of them when buying new products.

      Remember that most of it is badge engineered anyway.

      What you should be asking is what models are known to be reliable by the lovely folks here at /.

  42. Then stop using their crap firmware. by marxmarv · · Score: 1

    dd-wrt is pretty solid for me.

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    1. Re:Then stop using their crap firmware. by synthesizerpatel · · Score: 4, Informative

      Thirded. I just completed a project that cost about $8k dollars by rolling a customized OpenWRT/DD-WRT setup that includes 802.1q VLANs (no wonky iptables junk to seperate networks), 802.1x with authentication against ActiveDirectory, public and private SSIDs available from a single access point, the list goes on.

      OpenWRT is enterprise wireless firmware for free that runs on home consumer priced hardware, making it enterprise quality hardware. (Although lacking POE)

      My company was going to spend about $75k on a comparable solution from Aruba and I was able to squeeze out every single feature they offer from OpenWRT. So instead of $75k, we're spending $4,500 for the same feature set. Not bad.

      So, while D-Link's own firmware is goofy, if you just buy their box and wipe it it you'll be saving yourself money in the long run.

    2. Re:Then stop using their crap firmware. by synthesizerpatel · · Score: 2, Informative

      I should note, $4.5k in hardware costs, $3.5k in development time to get it all dialed in right. :D

      As well, the hardware in question was DIR-330's, which are roughly $95-100 off the shelf.

    3. Re:Then stop using their crap firmware. by lidocaineus · · Score: 1

      Um, using VLANs to separate out traffic versus iptables...? I hope you're not doing anything that requires actual security and you're only using it as a logical separation tool. #1 rule about VLANs: they're not a security measure. #2 rule about VLANs: use routing instead whenever possible.

    4. Re:Then stop using their crap firmware. by synthesizerpatel · · Score: 1

      I understand what you're saying, but I think I should explain the setup briefly so you'll see why you don't need iptables.

      vlan10: Maintenance, only interface with an IP

      vlan11: guest vlan, bridged with wireless interface wl0.1, no IPs on either interface

      vlan12: staff vlan, bridge with wireless interface wl0.2, no IPs on either interface, 802.1x radius auth

      Basically, the tagged vlan stuff is only to make sure that we only have to run a single cable to the APs, each wireless segment has no IP addresses and is bridged directly into the network it needs to go to. That's why there's no need for iptables, there's no opportunity for packet migration between networks that shouldn't see each other.

      DHCP, routing to intranet/internet are handled by the respective networks that they attach to after authenticating (or not in the case of guests)

      The 'security' in our case is that both networks are sandwiched between firewalls, the guest network has internet access, the staff network requires WPA2/AES Enterprise 802.1x authentication via ActiveDirectory credentials to get on that segment at all.

      I haven't done a full security audit on this setup, so I can't say it's flawless (nothing is..) But it's basically 'as good' as anything the major vendors offer short of a full fledged firewall or $800 access points.

  43. it's not a bug by v1 · · Score: 0

    it's a feature

    You could view it like antilock brakes. People didn't used to like those, because how they react when you skid and mash the brakes. (or try to pump them) Just another case of something getting changed without much notice. Doesn't affect the overall product, just changes one aspect. So probably legal. Especially if they go out of their way to tell you about it. (which they DID for antilock brakes, but evidently not for this linksys snafu)

    Now obviously this is all to try to directly benefit Linksys (Cisco now isn't it?) so that pushes it more to the moral left, but still probably legal.

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    1. Re:it's not a bug by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 1

      There's quite a lot of difference between "did what it was supposed to do, in a different way" and "did something completely different". The function of brakes is to stop the car, anti-lock brakes are just a different method of doing this. The function of a router is to establish a network connection to the address I want, redirecting me to an ad is NOT fulfilling the function.

      It's akin to arguing there's a parallel between TVs going from CRT to LCD (an implementation detail that does not change the primary functionality) and, say, a TV that randomly changes the station to an informercial.

    2. Re:it's not a bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, this DOES benefit Linksys, as it does also any competitor of D-LINK, which is the actual company in question in the original posting - NOT Linksys, as you seem to think.

  44. Absolutely, positively INFAMOUS by Duncan+Blackthorne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like a prime example of what happens when salespeople get too much of a say in the development process. Wonder if they made them back-burner fixing actual bugs and security holes in favor of adding adware like this?

  45. i was wondering... by whiskey6 · · Score: 1

    the same thing happened to me, I got the silly site trying to sell me silly things. I closed the window, got on with life. hasn't bothered me since, but it was mildly irritating.

  46. Router Setup Page downloads Securespot version by chronopunk · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is the original poster. I did a firmware upgrade from withing the router setup page not by downloading it from their website.

  47. I'm done with D-Link by rcw-home · · Score: 1

    If you have to put up with consumer-level crap, put up with someone else's consumer level crap. Last night I was helping someone configure their WBR-1310. After I set an ESSID, configured WPA2, set an admin password, and added a port forwarding rule, the router decided not to include a router option on its DHCP offers. Meaning none of the computers on their network got a default gateway IP. Resetting to factory defaults didn't fix it. Upgrading the firmware didn't fix it. Tech support couldn't fix it. Replacing the router with a different brand DID fix it.

    Also, the DES-3226L rev Bs (kinda like the rev As in that they are both made by D-Link and both have 26 ports - but that's it) are an atrocity. The command line seems like it was put there to fulfill a checkbox requirement. The documentation for it (even the command completion help) doesn't match the actual commands at all, half the commands you'll never get to work, spanning tree is a total writeoff, and they tend to lose their config entirely a few times a year.

    D-Link seriously needs to work on their quality control.

  48. I have one and upgraded yesterday... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It hickjacks the first website you try and visit, showing an add saying "would you like to subscribe for $30/mo.?" You click "no", and never see it again.

  49. Re:Without SecureSpot 2.0-ARE YOU SAYING... by onefriedrice · · Score: 1

    sha1sum?

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  50. Car analogy by I+cant+believe+its+n · · Score: 1

    So after you get your car back from the garage, you would be prepared for it to lock the breaks once you reach 50 mph?
    Don't answer, I know you would have read all about it in the manual that you downloaded from the garages website.

    My point (besides from wanting to make a stretched car analogy) is that for a home user, an update usually only tightens security, with other changes being rare. During all the time I've used IP networks I have never even heard of this crappy type of behaviour (in a router that is :-). I would not have expected it, but then again I did not expect the spanish inquisition either.

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  51. RISKS: Hardware-borne Trojan Horse programs by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ah, I found one. The Risks Digest, Volume 16: Issue 55, Weds 9 November 1994. The relevant section is reprinted below for preservation's sake, edited only for spelling ("entirity"), converting asterisk-marked text to strong text, formatting, block quoting, and adding links.

    Hardware-borne Trojan Horse programs
    Chris Tate <FIXER@FAXCSL.DCRT.NIH.GOV>
    Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:34:36 -0500 (EST)

    I had an unpleasant experience this past weekend, and I imagine some other readers of RISKS will find it interesting.

    I recently purchased an Apple Macintosh computer at a "computer superstore," as separate components - the Apple CPU, and Apple monitor, and a third-party keyboard billed as coming from a company called Sicon.

    This past weekend, while trying to get some text-editing work done, I had to leave the computer alone for a while. Upon returning, I found to my horror that the text "welcome datacomp" had been inserted into the text I was editing. I was certain that I hadn't typed it, and my wife verified that she hadn't, either. A quick survey showed that the "clipboard" (the repository for information being manipulated via cut/paste operations) wasn't the source of the offending text.

    As usual, the initial reaction was to suspect a virus. Disinfectant, a leading anti-viral application for Macintoshes, gave the system a clean bill of health; furthermore, its descriptions of the known viruses (as of Disinfectant version 3.5, the latest release) did not mention any symptoms similar to my experiences.

    I restarted the system in a fully minimal configuration, launched an editor, and waited. Sure enough, after a (rather long) wait, the text "welcome datacomp" once again appeared, all at once, on its own.

    As a next step, I contacted John Norstad, the author of Disinfectant, and one of the international response team for dealing with new Macintosh virus sightings. Very promptly I received a response, which I shall quote here in its entirety (it's brief):

    Yes, we have heard of this. It's a practical joke in the ROM code in some third-party keyboards. The only solution is to get your bad keyboard replaced.

    I was furious. Apparently there are hardware products on the market which have embedded "Trojan Horses," programs which affect the operation of the system without the user's consent (or knowledge!).

    I have returned the keyboard to the store where I purchased it, and I plan to contact Sicon about the problem. The potential for abuses in computer systems here is apparent, especially when the system involves "intelligent" peripherals - such as many popular types of disk drive, Apple Desktop Bus devices (such as the offending keyboard), and so forth.

    John Norstad informs me that he has little knowledge of the extent of this particular problem, other than the fact that he has received quite a bit of mail from people who have been bitten. What is almost

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    1. Re:RISKS: Hardware-borne Trojan Horse programs by ilmdba · · Score: 3, Insightful

      i would have read [wikipedia.org] your post [wikipedia.org] but was too busy clicking [wikipedia.org] on completely unnecessary hyperlinks [wikipedia.org] to stupid [wikipedia.org] shit on wikipedia [wikipedia.org] that were embedded [wikipedia.org] in it.

    2. Re:RISKS: Hardware-borne Trojan Horse programs by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      i would have read [wikipedia.org] your post [wikipedia.org] but was too busy clicking [wikipedia.org] on completely unnecessary hyperlinks [wikipedia.org] to stupid [wikipedia.org] shit on wikipedia [wikipedia.org] that were embedded [wikipedia.org] in it.

      I considered that, but in Help & Preferences : Discussions : Viewing there's the option "Display Link Domains? (shows the actual domain of any link in brackets)" where you can choose one of "Never show link domains", "Show the links [sic] domain only in recommended situations", or "Always show link domains", so it is under end user control.

      In this case, only the first option suppresses any of them. It would be nice if the second option suppressed them if they were the same as the previous one displayed.

      What would really be nice is if it did it with just a style rule. If the href is prechewed to put the domain in the title attribute (for example), you could have a[href][title]:hover:after { content: " [" attr(title) "]"; }(*) and you'd only get the domain in square brackets popping up when you hovered the link and (even without the :hover) it wouldn't be included in a highlight for copy and paste. (I already do something similar for named anchors:

      a[name]:before { content: "[#] "; }
      a[name]:hover:before { content: "[#" attr(name) "] "; }
      a[name]:active:before { content: "[#] "; }

      The last rule is to deal with a bug regarding named linked anchors.

      (*) I haven't tested this double attribute selector. If it doesn't work, maybe [title] is enough, but I'd define an appropriate parent class in either case's practice to restrict the scope to be safe.

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    3. Re:RISKS: Hardware-borne Trojan Horse programs by bugnuts · · Score: 1

      I believe you missed the point.

      You added links to stupid shit, posted to a techie journal. While I do appreciate your diligence, do you really think the average /. viewer doesn't know wtf a computer virus is?

      Don't pull the "you can turn off domain names in links" BS ... there was simply no point to making all those links for even the stupidest /. viewer, and it just obfuscated the entire article.

      Slashdot is not Reader's Digest. News for Nerds. Stuff that matters. Nerds know what an apple macintosh is, and linking to wikipedia's definition of computer virus does not matter to a nerd. :-)

    4. Re:RISKS: Hardware-borne Trojan Horse programs by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      I also linked to the original version and stated I was reprinting below, so you had the option to avoid all that by following the link instead in all its monospaced hard-formatted glory.

      It all started with wanting to mildly obfuscate the e-mail address with a link to the domain's site, and then the historical note about the defunct eWorld, then the page for Disinfectant, and then just having fun wikifying the whole thing for the public record. I admit I got OCD over that.

      But hey, I do appreciate the witty criticism of my wiki linkism. It is well taken and in good humor. I just also thought it more useful to point out that one can elect to hide those domain markers and suggest a way they could be improved than just a simple mea culpa.

      Now, how did my posting preference get changed from Plain Old Text to HTML Formatted? Ever since I accessed that preferences panel things have been acting weird.

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  52. No problems here! by merc · · Score: 1

    I've been on the latest firmware upgrade of my D-link now for several days and I haven't seen an...

    *NOTICE*

    YOUR IP ADDRESS IS VULNERABLE, TRY OUR NEW IP-SECURE-FOR-SURE TODAY...

    NO CARRIER

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  53. DIR-655 by bpsbr_ernie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This firmware has been in beta for almost 2 years. It adds the SecureSpot feature which allows for web filtering. The idea with the splash page is to allow the users to immediately decide whether they want the feature enabled or not. So, I install a new DIR-655 router, my kids are immediately blocked from all internet access. If I decide to disable it, suddenly everyone can get to their favorite porn website. If I turn it on, I now have parental controls and the kids can only get to the sites/categories I approve. Is it really that bad they they are forcing you to "choose whether you want the feature on or off?" Maybe they could have disabled it by default, but those that want the feature, may never realize its there.

    1. Re:DIR-655 by LoganTeamX · · Score: 0

      And those that never wanted the feature have to put up with "rogue" routers? That's hardly justification for behaviour that would have gotten the programmers sued had this been a purely software thing.

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    2. Re:DIR-655 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they could have disabled it by default, but those that want the feature, may never realize its there.

      Those who want features like that should be stabbed to the eye.

  54. Re:Goatse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What tactic is new that did that to your ass?

  55. Poster should not have posted by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I do not agree with that. DNS hijacking should be considered illegal criminal activity, regardless of what the reason was. We have enough problems with DNS attacks, the last thing we need is for a company like D-Link to try and legitimize it.

    If I buy a router, I wanted the router. I would not buy a router if I wanted a security stack; I would buy security software.

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    1. Re:Poster should not have posted by BitwiseX · · Score: 0

      I do not agree with that. DNS hijacking should be considered illegal criminal activity, regardless of what the reason was.

      I wouldn't say REGARDLESS what the reason. I think using DNS hijacking for good reasons is acceptable. Dodging malware for one. I've done it in the past to block phishing sites and sites propogating worms, back when I was Sys Admining for some smaller ISPs, and got good feedback. Not disagreeing with you.. just with the blanket statement that every form should be criminal. but maybe i'm just picking nits..

    2. Re:Poster should not have posted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I concur!

      just a suggestion: http://www.endian.com/en/community/

      I know it requires a computer but it completely outdoes any of the consumer grade crap routers and it's FREE!

  56. So bloody what? by argent · · Score: 1

    The fact that they even considered doing this, let alone the fact that they actually did it, is just stark raving nutso.

  57. For Sale - 1 slightly used D-Link Router by kwantar · · Score: 1

    ... only out of box 5 minutes...

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  58. I can't believe you're defending them. by argent · · Score: 1

    The idea that a router should even include a mechanism to hijack connections is just wrong. No excuses. That shouldn't have even been considered in the first place. That they went ahead and shipped it is batshit crazy.

  59. teknosapien by teknosapien · · Score: 1

    I like my BSD box with two nic's and a switch for my router. for wireless I just use a access point, no routing involved there

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  60. Repeating past mistakes by Revvy · · Score: 1

    Belkin tried this a few years ago. As I recall, it didn't work out too well for them.

  61. You're defending the indefensible. by argent · · Score: 1

    Either way, it asks you if you want to try it twice, and then leaves you alone.

    The fact that it redirects your connection even once is completely indefensible, no matter what the download is called. I can't believe anyone's defending this kind of slimeball tactic.

  62. Phonehome goodness by wirelessfreek · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have the DIR-625 and have tested out the Secure-Spot (3.06) firmware and even when its disabled it still phones-home and uses an SSL connection. Naturally you can not issue it a fake certificate to see what its really sending back. Test setup: 2 Routers, Favorite ARP spoofing program and a Network Protocol Analyzer (I use Wireshark) and watch the fun when you power on your D-Link router.

  63. For home networks... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

    My own recommendation is the Netcomm NB9W MyNetGateway, an all-in-one DSL2+ modem/router/WAP/VOIP machine. I've had one for a couple of years (I think) without ever needing to reset it, and I've set up other people with the same machine and had no calls or complaints.

  64. Say NO to D(own)-Link by suraj.sun · · Score: 1

    @ JustinOpinion (1246824) you made excellent point. I actually never owned any of the D(own)-link products but now I've found one more reason to stay away from their products. A router should be doing just what its supposed to do... nothing more and that's it.

  65. Link to download it without securespot by moxley · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have this router and it's worked really well - has been very stable and has a whole lot of really nice features - I do a lot of remote stuff both ways too and from work - not to mentioned bittorrent and binaries, webcams. Never have a problem, never have to reboot it.

    Additionally the router has a feature that can email you when a new update comes out, the download page had a link for 1.21 with securespot and 1.21 without - I checked out what it was and decided against it. As others have mentioned. Below is the link I used:

    ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Gateway/dir655/Firmware/dir655_firmware_121_no_securespot.zip

    I agree with how most people feel, that they need to be a little more upfront - a lot of the people here aren't going to want that feature - however, there are some people who may - among other things I think it has parental controls, it's like websense for the home user.

    When you're updating the firmware on any device and not paying attention to the changes and what they actually do you're going to end up getting fucked, - especially when it comes to consumer home devices like these.

  66. This router requires a 4chan GOLD account. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This router requires a 4chan GOLD account.

    You will not be able to use a internet unless you have a gold account.

  67. Cheap routers... by Temkin · · Score: 1

    This being Slashdot, I'll point out that a Cisco 851w, which runs IOS 12.4 with an appropriate feature set for most ADSL users, can be had on Newegg for around $350.

    Added bonus... You get to learn IOS.

    1. Re:Cheap routers... by Sfing_ter · · Score: 1

      take old worthless computer, install second nic ($10), install latest ipcop, setup - and enjoy. No needing to learn ios, plus you get free snort - registration required but free. Many addons available and comes with traffic graphing etc. :D
      But no ADs...

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    2. Re:Cheap routers... by Temkin · · Score: 1

      take old worthless computer, install second nic ($10), install latest ipcop, setup - and enjoy. No needing to learn ios, plus you get free snort - registration required but free. Many addons available and comes with traffic graphing etc. :D
      But no ADs...

      Nothing new/useful added to your resume, it burns 5x the power of an 851, and no WiFi...

      Having said all that... it would work. I'm not knocking it. Just pointing out that a real router is not out of reach.

    3. Re:Cheap routers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, for the same $350, get a d-link router (wifi? why?) for $50, buy six hookers for the night, and party like it's 1999. Now THAT you can put on your Resume.

    4. Re:Cheap routers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Added bonus... You get to learn IOS.

      And from that you will learn why real network geeks use Foundry gear. ;)

    5. Re:Cheap routers... by Temkin · · Score: 1

      And from that you will learn why real network geeks use Foundry gear. ;)

      Perhaps... But you get to learn their *iron nomenclature. It's almost as bad as Sun slapping "Solstice" on everything back in the 90's...

  68. not buying into this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Note to self, never, ever buy dlink, it isn't worth the hassle.

  69. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  70. Using FLOSS, without the decency to acknowledge it by ChameleonDave · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What annoys be about my D-Link DSL-504T router is that although it runs some sort of customised GNU/Linux (I did "ssh admin@10.1.1.1" and had a look inside), their documentation and website make not the slightest mention of this, let alone make the source code available.

  71. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  72. OpenWRT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why doesn't everybody in the /. crowd buy a router that run OpenWRT (or similar)?

  73. Obligatory..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    "it's not a bug. It's a security feature."

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  74. Dumbasses by dexomn · · Score: 1

    My ISP has taken the liberty of doing this to me. Instead of getting a DNS error I get 'ask jeeves' with all kinds of super helpful links to shit I did not ask about.

  75. add_record (shitlist, "DLink"); by ewhac · · Score: 2, Informative
    Belkin pulled this exact same crap back in the 2002/2003 timeframe, and got thoroughly and properly flayed alive for it. They quickly published an update that removed the "feature," but the fact that the "feature" got all the way through marketing, management, software development, and QA told me that everyone in that company was asleep at the switch, and Belkin got put on my shitlist. I won't even buy their cables anymore if I can avoid it.

    Now I get to add DLink to the same list. Unless and until DLink issues a public apology and shows contrition for this, there they shall stay, alongside Belkin.

    Schwab

  76. Tommy Lee Jones != HINKY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It may be a cop thing, but I recall it from "The Fugitive". The search for "hinky" brings up the movie on the first page. Tommy Lee Jones' character ordered his marshalls to stop saying "hinky" because he didn't want them using words that didn't mean anything.

  77. Trademark infringement by jibjibjib · · Score: 1

    Isn't this trademark infringement? Hijacking Google's domain to sell their own products?

  78. Let me just point out the obvious... by green-ninajlo · · Score: 1

    The "spam" you just have to click no thanks to twice and it goes away, how is this a big deal? There are a lot of other applications and hardware that give an initial-launch page that you have to click out of and never see again.

  79. Re:Without SecureSpot 2.0-ARE YOU SAYING... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you serious?

    Many vendors do this.

    Show me the single version of Cisco IOS 12.3 for example. Even if you drill down to the actual firmware version, it comes in about 15 different flavours.

    Netscreen FW for my home firewall, I can get the "Normal" AV or the "Trend Micro" AV version.

    Hell, even Vista/XP came in different versions.

    I'm guessing maybe you were joking?

  80. D-Link vs. Linksys, my experience by cffrost · · Score: 1

    I switched from a Linksys WRT54G v2.0 running OEM then Sveasoft firmware to a DIR-655 after analyzing the data provided on SmallNetBuilder's Router Performance Charts. My maximum WAN performance increased from approximately 384kB/s down & 48kB/s up, to 1MB/s down & 128kB/s up. Further, the DIR-655's feature set exceeds that of the WRT54G's running either firmware, especially for security configuration.

    Although D-Link has fucked up, and my admiration for Linksys' FOSS firmware, I'm compelled to excuse D-Link given their SOHO router performance and feature set. (This is my only experience with D-Link; I'll continue to stick with Intel for NICs and Linksys for switches, either of which have yet to disappoint.)

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  81. Re:Likely actionable sabotage. by lpq · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Regardless of whether or not you can disable it, unless it was an *advertised* feature -- if it redirected you to a fake, substitute website that was other than the website you _thought_ you were going to, isn't that evidence of an unauthorized invasion and hack of the device to introduce a 3rd-party, fraudulent, redirection mechanism that can potentially be used not only by D-Link, but also by a cracker attempting a phishing exploit?

    In the US, the unauthorized addition of redirection software to a hardware device (which itself would probably qualify as a small computer), with the right lawyer or prosecutor, could result in jail time for the perp, or, if it's a corporation, probably a bonus for the project manger. ;^/

  82. Why are you guys stll buying their crap? by bofh29a · · Score: 1

    These are the same bunch of wankers that:

    1) hardcoded stratum1 time servers into their consumer routers,
    http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/07/130209
    2) opined that "we do not consider the GPL as legally binding"
    http://gpl-violations.org/news/20060922-dlink-judgement_frankfurt.html

    If you want cheap, go Linksys or LevelOne

  83. Stupid Way of Advertising by mrpacmanjel · · Score: 1

    What D-Link should have done was to advertise the "Secure Spot" feature on the "firmware" download page, be up-front about it and actually explain what it does. At least you can make an informed decision.

    A router is a commodity item and should behave as expected - there should not be any "surprises" during it's operation. It should work as "clockwork" *quietly* performing the function is was *designed* for, if you don't notice it - then it's doing it's job.

    On the other hand, if it does something to draw your attention to it and does something *unexpected* then you are going to question it's reliability then "fix" the problem.
    The expectation of this equipment *should* be mundane, day-to-day predictability and "un-glamourous" functionality.
    The last thing you should be thinking is what is this router going to do next or be apprehensive in installing it. It should just be a matter of; buy router, install it then forget about it.

    If anything, D-Link have further damaged thier reputation as an IT company, especially when people read about it on Slashdot (D-Link's potential customers!). As a company this is a *dreadful* mistake to make.

    Personally speaking, if I need to buy any networking tech I'll be *very* suspicious of D-Link equipment and be more inclined to look at a competitor's product it's a natural reaction.

    Well done D-Link, your current management team have managed to alienate your core customers. The person/people who actually gave this "feature" the go-ahead to be installed should be fired.

    What a *stupid* way to advertise a product! It just shows you how out of touch with thier customers they are - they don't even understand their own product!

    Yet another IT company that has lost it's way.

  84. Of course it's illegal by js_sebastian · · Score: 1

    It is a scummy thing to do, but hardly illegal

    It would depend on the judge understanding the issue in the first place, but this is hijacking an electronic comunication between two parties who did not agree to it. If it's not illegal, then the law should be fixed.

  85. heres your solution: by nimbius · · Score: 1

    www.pfsense.org

    the average slashdotter should be able to build a router. attaching lasers and memes to it may be a cowboyneal level feat however...

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  86. DLink (slightly) downgraded by jridley · · Score: 1

    Belkin did this in their routers a few years ago; hijacked HTTP connections and took you to pages they hosted. That earned them a "never buy Belkin even if the alternative is dialup" rating for me personally.

    DLink has been at "these people can't build anything more complicated than a hub without screwing it up" rating for me, but this takes them down to the "never buy" category.

    That rating doesn't apply just to routers either. Once a company has done things like this, they've proven that they're willing to use the money they collect from me to actively cause me harm. I won't even buy a USB cable from Belkin, and now not from DLink either.

  87. DNS Hijacking is arguably illegal by davecb · · Score: 1

    In Canada it would be theft of computer and telecommunications service, for the purpose of delivering an unasked-for ad.

    --dave

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  88. No Consumer Hardware for Me by CompMD · · Score: 1

    This is why rather than buying new consumer hardware, I get decommissioned commercial and enterprise grade hardware for myself. Why? It "just works."

    I bought a Sun E6500 and E4500 used, and when I looked at the log files for them, they were turned on once when they were originally purchased, and then shutdown once when three of the eight PPSs on the 6500 croaked several years later. The company that had it before me didn't even notice that they were running the system with two blown power supplies until the third blew.

    Switches? I use 3Com superstack 100Mb switches pulled from a company that upgraded to gigabit.

    GPS? While not exactly commercial or enterprise, I try to track down used or overhauled Garmin GPSMAP aviation units. They are nearly indestructible and I've never seen one fail. I own a 195 and 496. The case of the 195 is pressurized and filled with nitrogen to protect the internal components.

  89. AV software should mark that firmware as trojan by TravisO · · Score: 1

    If it looks like a trojan, smells like a trojan and acts like a trojan... it's a trojan!

  90. DNS Proxies should so as little as possible by Alnitak73 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps someone could point D-Link at http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-bellis-dnsext-dnsproxy-00.txt ?

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  92. Use firmware without secure spot? by VirtusDraco · · Score: 1

    I have this router. I ended up dodging the secure spot "feature" by going to: ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Gateway/dir655/Firmware/ and downloading the non securespot version of the 1.21 firmware I've been running that for a while and I haven't seen any DNS weirdness as of yet... Get it before D-link pulls it. :)

  93. Re:Using FLOSS, without the decency to acknowledge by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

    Perhaps you could forward your findings to the Software Freedom Law Center?

  94. Clearly contravenes criminal statutes by CKW · · Score: 1

    In my professional opinion (as a software guy), I'm certain that this unequiocally contravenes critimal statutes about interfering with other people's computing systems. Have the managers at Linksys serious considered the possibility of being held criminally responsible and spending time in jail?

    Can *anyone* place a personal monetary value on the damage caused by this to you or your organization personally? Normally police agencies will not pursue this without a minimum of $5,000 damages.

    I know! I bet GOOGLE or Yahoo can! Anyone reading this from Google? How many such routers are out there and how often do they do the redirect? You can clearly state to law enforcement that this is costing you X dollars of lost ad revenue due to hijacked DNS requests.

    One serious inquiry from a real law enforcement investigator would cause them to rethink their "feature".

  95. Can Google sue by deets101 · · Score: 1

    I understand that people would be mad, I for one would throw my device away and go to their competitor, but can Google sue them? This is basically theft of services or some other fancy legal term.

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  96. A Number Of Years? by Petersko · · Score: 1

    "A number of years ago in Canada"

    A thousand years? Was it after Rome fell? Zero is a number, too. Did it happen this morning?

    I'm not a grammar nazi by habit, but "a number of" is a useless expression.

    1. Re:A Number Of Years? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      A thousand years? Was it after Rome fell? Zero is a number, too. Did it happen this morning? I'm not a grammar nazi by habit, but "a number of" is a useless expression.

      Nice troll. Who cares how long... the fact that it happened is what is germane to this conversation, not when. Take a course in critical thinking before speaking.

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    2. Re:A Number Of Years? by Petersko · · Score: 1

      "Nice troll. Who cares how long... the fact that it happened is what is germane to this conversation, not when. Take a course in critical thinking before speaking."

      I have no problem with critical thinking, and you have nothing on which to base your conclusion. You have no idea how much or how little of your post I understood. You, however, seem to enjoy inserting useless words into your writing, which makes me think you should take a course on effective communication techniques.

    3. Re:A Number Of Years? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      I took a look at some of your postings. You seem to like to mostly slam other people's posts. Backs up my claim of 'troll'. You must be a very angry person inside. I hope you feel better soon.

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  97. Closed Source by Pope+Raymond+Lama · · Score: 1

    Oh well,
    We've been warning you for years, but ahh..we are just a bunch of "free software fascists".

    Just hope these pratices does not get widespread just quite yet.

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  98. Cisco/Linksys does it, too. by DeusExMach · · Score: 1

    At first I thought it was someone at the factory uploading malware, until I found out it was supposed to be a demonstration of "a mini-html" page, and found it showing up on other switches and routers when disconnected from the internet. Still, the included banner ad WAS for setting up an adult personals site.

  99. Found it - not a law but can be used in court by Khyber · · Score: 1

    http://log0.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/url-redirection-attack-with-examples/

    URL redirects can be used for phishing attacks. Therefore, URL redirects without authorization can be considered a malicious attempt to exploit a vulnerability and compromise your security.

    Sounds like something a court might have interest in.

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  100. Did someone accesss my router maliciously? by AudiTuner · · Score: 1

    Same AudiTuner from the DLink forums. After posting a response on the DLink forums I noticed that my wireless connection suddenly cut out. This is odd because I always have great reception in the room where I lost connectivity. When I tried to reconnect, Windows' troubleshooting claimed the problem was "low signal strength". Even if this is correct, I have never had any problems with signal in this room and it seems odd that after days of up-time I would just looses my connection. I looked at the log on my router and there are a few things I'm not sure about in the beginning of the log. Specifically, how settings were saved when I was browsing the web and typing a response on their forums. The computer the the log claims made the changes (192.168.1.100 on my network) was not being used at the time and no one here except myself even knows the IP address of the router, let alone what to do in the configuration pages. I've added an entry to my journal on this site with of all activity logged on my router. Could someone more knowledgeable than myself please have a look at it to see if some malicious DLink employee accessed my router or if it just an "odd" coincidence? I'm unhappy with this company either way, but I would like to know if one of their employees thought they were being clever and illegally accessed my router.

  101. Re:Using FLOSS, without the decency to acknowledge by ChameleonDave · · Score: 1

    OK, thanks. I have now.

    Looking again, I can see that the system used is BusyBox. I notice that BusyBox have already successfully prosecuted corporations for stealing their code.

    I doubt that this is the only D-Link product using BusyBox. The website-hijacking firmware in the article is probably running infringing code too.

    david@chameleon:~$ ssh admin@router
    admin@router's password:

    BusyBox v0.61.pre (2008.08.02-02:38+0000) Built-in shell (ash)
    Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

    # ls
    bin etc proc usr var.tar
    dev lib sbin var
    # ls */*linu*
    etc/linux-igd

    Here is the page where you can download the firmware. The release notes mention a series of modifications made by D-Link, after an "initial release" that makes no mention of where it came from.

  102. Re:Using FLOSS, without the decency to acknowledge by ChameleonDave · · Score: 1

    I've done some more research, and this FTP site makes the source code available, but only for the version that they market in the UK. I would need the Australian version if I wanted to hack my router (which I would like to do, because there are several stupid things about it).

  103. What if you WANT this behaviour? by Rodders82 · · Score: 1

    I bought the DIR-655 because I WANTED this behaviour - the SecureSpot not the redirection - NOW I discover the Europe version of the firmware does not support SecureSpot. Anyone know what happens if you put V1.21 on a European '655?