My company gets around this by forcing you to forfeit your options and other vested financial incentives if you quit and move to a company that they label as a competitor.
More corporate bullying. So since we're a banking firm, folks are forced to leave for mostly insurance, and other financial (like mutual fund houses), and even shipping companies like UPS. But nobody ever leaves our bank for another bank.
Unless the other bank wants you so badly that they compensate for the lost incentives. And they'd probably only do this for someone who's an expert at what they do. This brings us back to the original question..once you're there, how do you (or ou new employer) avoid getting sued because you're writing the same or similiar stuff?
>>Those'd be some of the BHOs (Browser Helper Objects) and the CoolWebSearch derivatives. Spybot would scan it and clean it and report that everything's totally clean, but then the surviving fragment of spyware would just redownload and reinstall crap all over again. "HijackThis" and "CWShredder" are excellent utilities for getting past this.
This is exactly what I ran into....the cool search garbage. I was able to get rid of the crap by hand, once I figured out how it worked. Took a while though...lots of trial and error. But like I said in another post, I've been free of the crap for about 6 weeks.
On the Mozilla point, there was something that came down as a Java classfile, that Norton Antivirus picked up as something that can allow code out of the sandbox...wish I could remember what it was...I got it 2 times. Happened after giving up IE, but under Moz on XP. It's gone now. I wish I could post the site that I got it from...I honestly don't know.
You really shouldn't be saying that I'm doing something dumb by using 2 boxes for this.
You don't know my circumstances, though I thought that it'd be apparent from my post that I use the Linux machine for other stuff, hence the line about keeping development stuff on there. I've got the Linux boxes booted up all the time anyway...so I'm using something I already have for a slightly different reason.
Maybe you have a hard time understanding that people have the capacity to think outside the box and come up with novel solutions to problems.
Hope someone mods some of your points down...Kind of trollish..overrated even.
You're right I am. I'm a browser user..I could care less about the programming side of things in this space. This is one product that I don't have the time to care how it works.
But since you've taken the time to point this out could you please take a little additional time and educate me about what you think I should know.
I'm so sick of the security holes and acive-x installed spyware that I've been finding on my XP box, that I've taken to using Mozilla on Linux from within an Exceed window.
One day, I found about a dozen spyware programs in my system32 and program files folders. I have no idea how they got there... I keep IE's security settings at the highest marks, but still these buggers got through...took hours to get rid of them..even with Spybot s&d.
I've even stopped using IE in favor of Moz on XP, and still got new spyware installed. So there's an exploit in this browser as well. Has to be, as I don't Kazaa, or any shareware utilities.I'm pretty picky about what I install, 99% commercial s/w.
My solution is to keep a physical layer between my main machine (which is where I keep all my personal and business info) and my 'web environment'. So by using Mozilla on second box (where I only keep programming stuff) There's no way (yet) for spyware to install itself and give away any real info about me. Accessing it through Exceed keeps it convenient so in practice it feels like i'm using a local browser.
Very good. Thank you. We only think in Java here, and this is fine.
We are currently creating a critical banking application out of parts we're reusing from other customers products, and open source solutions. We decided to skip several key requirements because we don't understand why the users would need them, and implementing them would not allow us to meet our deadline.
The reused parts, don't exatly fit the remaining requirements, and thus we're modifying the requirments to fit the components.
Just as long as we get a good build on August 1 all will be well. Thank you.
A replacement remote may or may not be available from the vendor. Depending on any number of things.... When my product is working perfectly 5 years down the road, but I need a replacement remote will I be able to find one? Maybe... but likely not.
From a feature perspective the product shouldn't be crippled without the remote. End of story.
I bought a Panasonic boom box for my wife the other day. I take it out of the box and guess what it has. Yup, at tiny little remote.
I'm ready to throw the little sucker out(the remote), but I first need to ensure that the radio has full functionality without it. I got burned like that once on a Sony receiver/amp. It had features only accessable from the remote....
Everyone is rolling out J2EE systems even for critical strategic applications.
But bad experiences with Java performance on the desktop are keeping a lot of folks from using it currrently. Hence, a tremendous amount of C++ development in that space. Though still some Java.
The admins like to script. It's quick, easy and powerful. Perl still rules. Though I see a bit more Python these days.
Of course this reflects current trends, and is subject to change over the next 5 -> 7 years.
The underlying OS is irrelevant really. There's enough support or compatability in all languages for all the major(Enterprise ready) OS's / distros to make the OS transparent to the average developer.
>>To steal a line from Minority Report, "The fact that you prevented it from happening doesnt change the fact that it was *going* to happen
What I take away from that statement is that even though we learn how to avoid, or run from a problem. The problem is still there, just waiting to be solved.
Please back this up by pointing us to instructions that show how to boot a PC from a USB drive into DOS and run a simple task such as repartitioning the hard drive.
Which drive in particular would allow this? Please tell us.
>>Is what is between you and a police officer public?
You ever catch a NYC Police Officer during his off hours? They talk about shit from the job all the time. Personal details spilled out over beers. Names, alleged crimes, locations, family details..... use your imagination, it's not far from the truth.
I even knew one cop, years ago, who would bring coroners photos out to the bar. "This is Jimmy Smith. This guy died on 3rd Avenue...he got caught underneath a tractor trailer. He made a real mess."
Confidentiality, my ass. Nothing you tell a cop stays between you and he.
I was reading some Chevrolet brochures from the 50's recently. I was suprised to see that the blower motor for the heater was an add on option back then. Same thing for the passanger side rearview mirror.
Weird.
And yet it's interesting to see that over the years that the marketing itself hasn't really changed over the years. The cars, while primitive by our modern standards, were being pushed as the ultimates in comfort, convenience, luxury, etc.
The ultimates, eh? After looking at those ads, I'm more skeptical about advertising than ever.
Buy me, buy me, buy me, year after year...... these ad guys have been ripping us off probably since the beginning of time.
Well, I'm happy to try. Please send me nine of the hottest...um..most fertile looking ones and I'll see how quickly I can get em' to produce babies. Hee Hee.
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My company gets around this by forcing you to forfeit your options and other vested financial incentives if you quit and move to a company that they label as a competitor.
More corporate bullying. So since we're a banking firm, folks are forced to leave for mostly insurance, and other financial (like mutual fund houses), and even shipping companies like UPS. But nobody ever leaves our bank for another bank.
Unless the other bank wants you so badly that they compensate for the lost incentives. And they'd probably only do this for someone who's an expert at what they do. This brings us back to the original question..once you're there, how do you (or ou new employer) avoid getting sued because you're writing the same or similiar stuff?
wbs.
Wrath of Khan:
they simply reverse the _other ship's shields_ with the _other ship's root password_
It doesn't always have to be the deflector dish...
wbs.
>>Those'd be some of the BHOs (Browser Helper Objects) and the CoolWebSearch derivatives. Spybot would scan it and clean it and report that everything's totally clean, but then the surviving fragment of spyware would just redownload and reinstall crap all over again. "HijackThis" and "CWShredder" are excellent utilities for getting past this.
This is exactly what I ran into....the cool search garbage. I was able to get rid of the crap by hand, once I figured out how it worked. Took a while though...lots of trial and error. But like I said in another post, I've been free of the crap for about 6 weeks.
On the Mozilla point, there was something that came down as a Java classfile, that Norton Antivirus picked up as something that can allow code out of the sandbox...wish I could remember what it was...I got it 2 times. Happened after giving up IE, but under Moz on XP. It's gone now.
I wish I could post the site that I got it from...I honestly don't know.
wbs.
You really shouldn't be saying that I'm doing something dumb by using 2 boxes for this.
You don't know my circumstances, though I thought that it'd be apparent from my post that I use the Linux machine for other stuff, hence the line about keeping development stuff on there. I've got the Linux boxes booted up all the time anyway...so I'm using something I already have for a slightly different reason.
Maybe you have a hard time understanding that people have the capacity to think outside the box and come up with novel solutions to problems.
Hope someone mods some of your points down...Kind of trollish..overrated even.
wbs.
This is my point. Since I've stopped using the browsers on windows, the spyware has stopped. I've been clean for 6 weeks.
It's not like the windows machine isn't conencted to the net. So if there was still a downloader exploit, I'd still be getting infected. I'm not.
wbs.
You're right I am. I'm a browser user..I could care less about the programming side of things in this space. This is one product that I don't have the time to care how it works.
But since you've taken the time to point this out could you please take a little additional time and educate me about what you think I should know.
Thanks,
wbs.
I'm so sick of the security holes and acive-x installed spyware that I've been finding on my XP box, that I've taken to using Mozilla on Linux from within an Exceed window.
.I'm pretty picky about what I install, 99% commercial s/w.
One day, I found about a dozen spyware programs in my system32 and program files folders. I have no idea how they got there... I keep IE's security settings at the highest marks, but still these buggers got through...took hours to get rid of them..even with Spybot s&d.
I've even stopped using IE in favor of Moz on XP, and still got new spyware installed. So there's an exploit in this browser as well. Has to be, as I don't Kazaa, or any shareware utilities
My solution is to keep a physical layer between my main machine (which is where I keep all my personal and business info) and my 'web environment'. So by using Mozilla on second box (where I only keep programming stuff) There's no way (yet) for spyware to install itself and give away any real info about me. Accessing it through Exceed keeps it convenient so in practice it feels like i'm using a local browser.
wbs.
LMAO.
Wish I had points this morning. This is funny.
Question though, what would one do with the penguin? Or do I not want to know? I guess there's no laws against that stuff in space.
wbs.
Very good. Thank you. We only think in Java here, and this is fine.
We are currently creating a critical banking application out of parts we're reusing from other customers products, and open source solutions. We decided to skip several key requirements because we don't understand why the users would need them, and implementing them would not allow us to meet our deadline.
The reused parts, don't exatly fit the remaining requirements, and thus we're modifying the requirments to fit the components.
Just as long as we get a good build on August 1 all will be well. Thank you.
Cheers.
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Not far from the truth over there.
wbs.
>>How did you find out/ figure out what your cost to the company was? I'd be interested to know mine.
Ask your boss. He may just tell you.
In my company the average per head is $140.
wbs.
A replacement remote may or may not be available from the vendor. Depending on any number of things.... When my product is working perfectly 5 years down the road, but I need a replacement remote will I be able to find one? Maybe... but likely not.
From a feature perspective the product shouldn't be crippled without the remote. End of story.
wbs.
I bought a Panasonic boom box for my wife the other day. I take it out of the box and guess what it has. Yup, at tiny little remote.
I'm ready to throw the little sucker out(the remote), but I first need to ensure that the radio has full functionality without it. I got burned like that once on a Sony receiver/amp. It had features only accessable from the remote....
wbs.
I think it depends on the application being written. I'm only talking about Unix/Linux/BSD flavored systems here.
The 3 channels I see for business related applications are as follows:
Enterprise applications: Java/J2EE.
Desktop applications: C/C++ Java.
Utilities/support: Scripting. perl/phython/ksh.
Everyone is rolling out J2EE systems even for critical strategic applications.
But bad experiences with Java performance on the desktop are keeping a lot of folks from using it currrently. Hence, a tremendous amount of C++ development in that space. Though still some Java.
The admins like to script. It's quick, easy and powerful. Perl still rules. Though I see a bit more Python these days.
Of course this reflects current trends, and is subject to change over the next 5 -> 7 years.
The underlying OS is irrelevant really. There's enough support or compatability in all languages for all the major(Enterprise ready) OS's / distros to make the OS transparent to the average developer.
wbs.
>>To steal a line from Minority Report, "The fact that you prevented it from happening doesnt change the fact that it was *going* to happen
What I take away from that statement is that even though we learn how to avoid, or run from a problem. The problem is still there, just waiting to be solved.
wbs.
Please back this up by pointing us to instructions that show how to boot a PC from a USB drive into DOS and run a simple task such as repartitioning the hard drive.
Which drive in particular would allow this? Please tell us.
wbs.
And what came before Boot?
Yes, CD-Rom Today became Boot. Then split out to Maximum PC and Mac Addict.
When writing my earlier post about CD-Rom Today, I forgot about Boot.
wbs.
>>it's what Byte tried to be, before they were forced to have 3 pages of adverts for every page of content, and renamed themselves "MaximumPC"
Actually...
Maximum PC started off as CD-ROM Today, back in 93 or 94. They used to reviews of new CD-Roms and used to come with a CD full of shareware and demos.
Eventually as CD's became more mainstream, they transformed into 2 magazines. Maximum PC and MAC Addict.
I still have a copy every CD that the original mag published. It's a nicle little archive of what used to be a cutting edge magazine.
wbs.
I'm dating this really hot chick (no, for real.. a real chick), for the er.. conversation.
Yeah that's it, she likes to talk.... oh wait.
wbs.
>>wow, must be weird living in your bazzaro world. Then again I suppose Windows is user friendly if you compare it to shaving with a cheese grater.
Or buffing your car with sandpaper.
wbs.
>>Demons, aliens, and nazis. What else can you shoot?
Middle Eastern Terrorists.
Criminals.
Deer, Bears, and other wildlife.
wbs.
>>Is what is between you and a police officer public?
You ever catch a NYC Police Officer during his off hours? They talk about shit from the job all the time. Personal details spilled out over beers. Names, alleged crimes, locations, family details..... use your imagination, it's not far from the truth.
I even knew one cop, years ago, who would bring coroners photos out to the bar. "This is Jimmy Smith. This guy died on 3rd Avenue...he got caught underneath a tractor trailer. He made a real mess."
Confidentiality, my ass. Nothing you tell a cop stays between you and he.
wbs.
You intend to startle me by using my daughter's name like that. So what? It's only a name.
You call me a sexist hog? I call you a coward. You'd never call me a douchebag to my face.
Shithead.
I was reading some Chevrolet brochures from the 50's recently. I was suprised to see that the blower motor for the heater was an add on option back then. Same thing for the passanger side rearview mirror.
Weird.
And yet it's interesting to see that over the years that the marketing itself hasn't really changed over the years. The cars, while primitive by our modern standards, were being pushed as the ultimates in comfort, convenience, luxury, etc.
The ultimates, eh? After looking at those ads, I'm more skeptical about advertising than ever.
Buy me, buy me, buy me, year after year...... these ad guys have been ripping us off probably since the beginning of time.
wbs.
wbs.
Well, I'm happy to try. Please send me nine of the hottest...um..most fertile looking ones and I'll see how quickly I can get em' to produce babies. Hee Hee.
wbs.