You sound just like the guy who answered one of my Doom Source posts yesterday. I was commenting on all the great stuff that has been done with the engine, and the responder was like "why?".
An AC put it in perspective. If you don't understand, you cant.
We don't know for sure if there's anything alive up there.
Well, we don't. I know it's not likely, but it's possible.
We should probably make sure before we start tearing the place apart. It would be a bad thing if we killed off some never before seen virus or something.
Then they seem to be looking to weasel out of GL support. Never mind the "we'll support it" line. Next year it will be "we're leaving our support options open for the forseeable future".
Year after that: "GL doesn't necessarly jive with our quest for world domination. We may drop this at some point. Have you seen our new graphics engine Assimilate-X?". The year after that GL is gone.
What's the next thing for Microsoft to drop support for? Languages? "Our compilers will only compile managed C and C++". Well, this won't happen, yet. VC7 will be almost 100% ANSI C++ compliant, suprisingly.
But still, what else could MS possilbly stop supporting? Privacy? The right to use your own computer as you see fit?
At one time, Doom was used by the US Marines for combat simulations. The guys from ID gave a special build of the engine and their mapping tools( I think ) to the Marines.
I think this was late 94 early 95. Definitely before Quake was released.
The idea was that the Marine trainers would map out the floorplans of embasies and other important places, and let the soldiers defend the maps in deathmatch mode.
One of the training wads (and a patch for commercial Doom, I believe) were released by the Marine Corps, and was even on a PC gamer CD. It was called marine.wad, and was a battlefield simulation.
The patch made you die after only 1 or 2 bullet wounds. Realism.
Would anyone from Id care to add to this? I'm not sure if I got all the details.
There have been a lot of ports of the Doom Source in the last couple of years. Some better than others.
Some guys have added features that we wished were in the original game, like the ability to fly, and the ability for 1 sprite to cross over the top of another (ever stand on a ledge and have an Imp 100 feet below you scratch away some of your health?). Moving sectors(conveyor belts), the ability to create spherical sectors.....
The technical limitations of the original engine have been addressed in various ways. The number of objects in a sector, number of linedefs and vertices limits have been eliminated. Long monolithc walls now display and look nice on some of the engines.
GL support has been added, so now you can have all kinds of pretty lighting, and translucancy and stuff. The game hasn't been looking better. I think that some of the ports have added in code from Quake to achieve this.
The Doom code has also been merged with the Hexen/Heretic code. So now the doom engine has a lot of the same cool sectors and linedef types that Raven came up with. (Swing open doors, hub gameplay etc..).
And on top of all this, there has been some sort of standardization activity for linedef numbers and other stuff. Though I'm not sure where this is these days.
A lot of great work has been done by a lot of talented people. I give them a lot of credit. Myself, I'm still trying to find my way around the source tree.
The Doom community is very much alive. TC's and source port revisions keep coming out.
>>Number of times one of my ideas becamed a patented product: 2.
In 1976(I was 10) I designed a Lego shock absorber. It was made up of a long black 'bar' piece with grey connectors on both ends, and a round 'slidey' piece. The shock absorber was a retractable pen spring. This thing worked great. Motorized vehicles no had the ability to climb over small books, and lego bricks.
I used to make them for friends & stuff. They were quite the hit in our circle of friends.
In 1977 or 78 I saw almost the same design in retail Lego kits. Damn. That sucked. But it did make me feel pretty smart at the same time.
A guy I work with thinks that Sun is going out of business too. He's been followint their stock and their financials.
He keeps telling that I should plan on porting my applications and web site to NT boxes and teach myself.net. Java will die, bla bla bla.
Sometimes he seems to make sense. Other times, he sounds like a Redmond Fanatic.
I dunno. What I don't tell him is that I've had contingency plans to go to diffferent OS's and platforms for years. I like to hear him go on and on about how Mcneally is an idiot and how he's running through Sun's cash, and how Bill and co. are just waiting for Sun to squeeze the last bit of juice out of their orange.
"One day Bill's going to have a glass of OJ. From that day forward he'll never have to think about Java again".
Yeah, we come up with some weird stuff when we're supposed to be coding.:-)
We're probably talking about 100,000 to 150,000 lines of C++ code to do what you described. (throw the ball, taking into consideration rain, wind, slope, subject distance etc..). Call it the 'trajectory engine' if you will.
Pretty intense stuff. Makes Doom 3 physics seem almost trivial by comparison.
>>And yet your chances of being killed by iraq are nill
Directly or indirectly?
It isn't too much of a stretch to imagine Queda performing North American attacks for Hussein. Think about it. Queda has people here already. WHat does Queda need? Money? What does Hussein have? Money. What does Queda and Hussein have in common? They both don't like the US very much, and think the world will be a better place without us.
Not that either organization has enough muscle to do much more than a 911 style attack.
Though the threat of a bio/chem attack is real, though it would have limited effects. Not too many people dead and hurt. Radiological(dirty bomb) would be worse. But in the end, we'd get over it as a nation.
If by the slim chance they were to somehow sneak in a working nuclear weapon and take out a whole city. That would be it. Just that city.... well not just that city. It would be a very hard blow, of course. But that in and of itself won't bring the US to it's knees. It'll sting for a while, but we'll come through it.
Oh yeah, I think that after a WMD attack, folks here are going to be awefully pissed off(especially if a whole city goes away). In that case I think that everyone should be looking for increased levels of radiation first in the mountains of Tora Bora, then elsewhere.
>>I am overlooking email spammers here, since they have no reputation other than pond scum, and probably never will. Not that they care - for any given product or service, they make their money on the 0.00001% of the target audience that does not despise them
I've always thought that spammers posessed the reputation of Cow Shit or perhaps a rabid dripping Goat's Penis. Pond scum seems too mild a term.
Slashdot Mirror
>>and its not going to vegas to sing a hit songs from the doobie brothers
;)
Leave that to David Lee Roth..
And the guy from Great White will probably be doing the same thing in about 10 years.
You sound just like the guy who answered one of my Doom Source posts yesterday. I was commenting on all the great stuff that has been done with the engine, and the responder was like "why?".
An AC put it in perspective. If you don't understand, you cant.
Maybe because their service reps are backlogged with calls.
;)
Just a thought.
We don't know for sure if there's anything alive up there.
Well, we don't. I know it's not likely, but it's possible.
We should probably make sure before we start tearing the place apart. It would be a bad thing if we killed off some never before seen virus or something.
So, first MS attempts to drop Java support.
Then they seem to be looking to weasel out of GL support. Never mind the "we'll support it" line. Next year it will be "we're leaving our support options open for the forseeable future".
Year after that: "GL doesn't necessarly jive with our quest for world domination. We may drop this at some point. Have you seen our new graphics engine Assimilate-X?". The year after that GL is gone.
What's the next thing for Microsoft to drop support for? Languages? "Our compilers will only compile managed C and C++". Well, this won't happen, yet. VC7 will be almost 100% ANSI C++ compliant, suprisingly.
But still, what else could MS possilbly stop supporting? Privacy? The right to use your own computer as you see fit?
One of the things I wanted to do was have the character walk up to a video wall and browse the web.
;)
At the time both the Mozilla and Doom sources were newly released, and I had this crazy idea to combine the two.
Never quite worked out though.
Actually, Carmack did open up his life's work to get warm fuzzies.
The source to Doom was GPL'd a long time ago. As was the source to Quake/Quake 2.
And it's probaly only a matter of time before the Q3 code is released/GPL'd.
I remember reading some stuff in John's release notes stating that he wanted the community to have the code, learn from it and add to it.
He didn't have to give his work away, but he did. Sounds like a good guy to me. Quality people there.
Besides his obvious technical skills, it's stuff like releasing the code that makes me look up to him as a developer.
At one time, Doom was used by the US Marines for combat simulations. The guys from ID gave a special build of the engine and their mapping tools( I think ) to the Marines.
I think this was late 94 early 95. Definitely before Quake was released.
The idea was that the Marine trainers would map out the floorplans of embasies and other important places, and let the soldiers defend the maps in deathmatch mode.
One of the training wads (and a patch for commercial Doom, I believe) were released by the Marine Corps, and was even on a PC gamer CD. It was called marine.wad, and was a battlefield simulation.
The patch made you die after only 1 or 2 bullet wounds. Realism.
Would anyone from Id care to add to this? I'm not sure if I got all the details.
There have been a lot of ports of the Doom Source in the last couple of years. Some better than others.
Some guys have added features that we wished were in the original game, like the ability to fly, and the ability for 1 sprite to cross over the top of another (ever stand on a ledge and have an Imp 100 feet below you scratch away some of your health?). Moving sectors(conveyor belts), the ability to create spherical sectors.....
The technical limitations of the original engine have been addressed in various ways. The number of objects in a sector, number of linedefs and vertices limits have been eliminated. Long monolithc walls now display and look nice on some of the engines.
GL support has been added, so now you can have all kinds of pretty lighting, and translucancy and stuff. The game hasn't been looking better. I think that some of the ports have added in code from Quake to achieve this.
The Doom code has also been merged with the Hexen/Heretic code. So now the doom engine has a lot of the same cool sectors and linedef types that Raven came up with. (Swing open doors, hub gameplay etc..).
And on top of all this, there has been some sort of standardization activity for linedef numbers and other stuff. Though I'm not sure where this is these days.
A lot of great work has been done by a lot of talented people. I give them a lot of credit. Myself, I'm still trying to find my way around the source tree.
The Doom community is very much alive. TC's and source port revisions keep coming out.
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Good post buddy.
The idiots at Dell obviously don't know what goes on inside real a real data denter.
In my shop, if the data is critical it's on either Mainframes or UNIX boxes. If it's crap (this is true) it's allowed to reside on NT servers.
As long as Mega-Banks like mine have the need, 'dead' technology like UNIX and The Frame will continue to live.
End of story.
>>Number of times one of my ideas becamed a patented product: 2.
In 1976(I was 10) I designed a Lego shock absorber. It was made up of a long black 'bar' piece with grey connectors on both ends, and a round 'slidey' piece. The shock absorber was a retractable pen spring. This thing worked great. Motorized vehicles no had the ability to climb over small books, and lego bricks.
I used to make them for friends & stuff. They were quite the hit in our circle of friends.
In 1977 or 78 I saw almost the same design in retail Lego kits. Damn. That sucked. But it did make me feel pretty smart at the same time.
what's wrong with taking a quick look for stuff like that?
:) Especially those parts.
It's not an indication of being sex starved, it's an indication of being a guy who likes female body parts.
Nice rack.
:)
If you look close, there's some right nipple action going on too.
Never forget 2/26/1993.
Yeah.
I never had a desire to watch. The name of the show just seems so stupid. Besides, I care more about sci-fi/politics than I do about vampires.
Now if they did a Babylon 5 movie about a bunch of vampires running around the station sucking the life out of the 'French Dudes'(Centauri) I'd watch.
Never forget 2/26/1993.
A guy I work with thinks that Sun is going out of business too. He's been followint their stock and their financials.
.net. Java will die, bla bla bla.
:-)
He keeps telling that I should plan on porting my applications and web site to NT boxes and teach myself
Sometimes he seems to make sense. Other times, he sounds like a Redmond Fanatic.
I dunno. What I don't tell him is that I've had contingency plans to go to diffferent OS's and platforms for years. I like to hear him go on and on about how Mcneally is an idiot and how he's running through Sun's cash, and how Bill and co. are just waiting for Sun to squeeze the last bit of juice out of their orange.
"One day Bill's going to have a glass of OJ. From that day forward he'll never have to think about Java again".
Yeah, we come up with some weird stuff when we're supposed to be coding.
We're probably talking about 100,000 to 150,000 lines of C++ code to do what you described. (throw the ball, taking into consideration rain, wind, slope, subject distance etc..). Call it the 'trajectory engine' if you will.
Pretty intense stuff. Makes Doom 3 physics seem almost trivial by comparison.
NT was built on the i860 first, then ported to the i386 arch. More accurately, MS engineers emulated the i860 untill the chip was ready.
.
MS did this to make their new OS more or less platform independant. They didn't want to get 'stuck' on the x86.
Slashdot story here . Article here
That's what happens when you let the collection plate pass one too many times.
>>And yet your chances of being killed by iraq are nill
Directly or indirectly?
It isn't too much of a stretch to imagine Queda performing North American attacks for Hussein. Think about it. Queda has people here already. WHat does Queda need? Money? What does Hussein have? Money. What does Queda and Hussein have in common? They both don't like the US very much, and think the world will be a better place without us.
Not that either organization has enough muscle to do much more than a 911 style attack.
Though the threat of a bio/chem attack is real, though it would have limited effects. Not too many people dead and hurt. Radiological(dirty bomb) would be worse. But in the end, we'd get over it as a nation.
If by the slim chance they were to somehow sneak in a working nuclear weapon and take out a whole city. That would be it. Just that city.... well not just that city. It would be a very hard blow, of course. But that in and of itself won't bring the US to it's knees. It'll sting for a while, but we'll come through it.
Oh yeah, I think that after a WMD attack, folks here are going to be awefully pissed off(especially if a whole city goes away). In that case I think that everyone should be looking for increased levels of radiation first in the mountains of Tora Bora, then elsewhere.
>>I am overlooking email spammers here, since they have no reputation other than pond scum, and probably never will. Not that they care - for any given product or service, they make their money on the 0.00001% of the target audience that does not despise them
I've always thought that spammers posessed the reputation of Cow Shit or perhaps a rabid dripping Goat's Penis. Pond scum seems too mild a term.
What happens to the plane when it's flown through a building, or some whacko tries to blow it up with his shoes?
No thanks, I think I'll stay on the ground and take my chances with the big rocks.
>>At $10K they are a bit pricey, but then they never say "Not to night I have a head ache" 8^D~
And in the long run, they're cheaper than an engagement ring, wedding and kids.
AND they will never tell you that you can't buy that Harley Davidson you've always wanted.
>>PC Hardware
Personal Coitus Hardware?
Kind of like an artificial vagina?
That's what I thought this said at first.
I was hoping to read about wooing her with olive oil, feta cheese, some lamb, wine, and then settling down for a night of... um... back door action.
Geek guide to dating? Couldn't be as much fun.