Wrong again, but I see what you are grousing about. You are making noises about that silly Iran "agreement" that Obama made. Well you should probably do a little research before getting worked up. Iran never signed that "agreement." In fact, there was no "agreement." It was just Obama trying to be a hero and do a end run around Congress. The US never signed it ether. It was a non binding agreement, it was legally, literally worth less than the paper it was printed on.
A little advice. You seem to be really smart sometimes but you let your TDS blind you. You should do a little more research with your eyes completely opened. Do your research a little more like this. Don't look at a issue with a small narrow time frame. Look at the whole picture and spread it over several years. Then actually take the time to read up on a subject.
The current POTUS and the people he's appointing to cabinet positions are alienating the rest of the world, our allies included
Except, that doesn't seem to be the case. All our allies seem to be happy with Trump leadership. South Korea is tickled pink with him. Japan seems to be pleased with the way things are working out. Nothing shaking in the Nato court, seems pretty normal there. For better or worse, depending on your point of view, Israel is very happy with Trump.
Mexico is unhappy, but they are always unhappy when the gravy train from the U.S. is threatened. Iran has been unhappy for the last 40 years, nothing new there. Russia and US relation are pretty normal, despite was alarmist are saying. China, we are arguing about trade with them, like we have been for the past 2 decades, nothing new there.
So the world seems to be ticking right along, situation normal.
I don't mind if you bitch about Trump, hell it seems to be a sport now. But if you are going to bitch, bitch abut something that is real and not something that you made up after you read some bullshit blog.
Here are some examples. His attempts to increase coal production. Some of the EPA appointees that seem to be a problem. Or his increased spending in the military. What happened to more is with less?
Depends on how much your time is worth to you. Under my original post I pictured that you are already chained to a desk in a gray room waiting for a detective to grace you with his time. If that is the case it is safe to assume your ass is under arrest and anything else you have to do is going to be of less importance.
Always assume that if you are talking to a detective that you are the subject of a criminal investigation. If you are confronted by ether a detective or clothed officer on the street wanting to ask you questions, state that you do not want to be involved. Then seek to remove yourself from the encounter. Do not ever lie to law enforcement or flee from a scene. Just state you do not wish to discuss things with out your lawyer. Then asked "Am I free to go?"
If you are asked to come down to the station by law enforcement for some later "questions." State that you have nothing to say, and that you would rather not go. If you are compelled, ether involuntary or voluntary, consult a lawyer and have him with you during the questioning.
If you find yourself in a interrogation room and not chained to a desk first thing to do is determine if you are being detained. Once the detective enters the room, first thing you ask is "Am I under arrest?" If you are not under arrest then you ask "Am I free to leave?"
If they say you are under arrest or that you are not free to leave, then ask for your lawyer and shut the fuck up. If they say you are free to leave, get up and walk out. Do not shake hands, do not say good bye. Leave. Important take everything with you that you came in with and do not take anything offered. No food or water, nothing.
Always keep asking "am I under arrest" and "am I free to go" till you get an answer.
There isn't all that much interesting stuff on my phone
It isn't what you think that is interesting, it is what law enforcement might find interesting. Something that you find innocent can be twisted any kind of way by some creative DA.
Then there is the issue of un-creative DA or cop that goes straight from fishing for evidence to just simply putting it on your phone. So, if you are arrested and it goes before a judge where the DA says they found naked preteen porn on your phone. Preteen porn that he put there, who is the judge going to believe?
Think of the lock on your phone like the lock on your door. It won't keep the cops from coming in if they want too. But it will make them go through the proper channels to do so. Those channels are might be the only thing that saves you from becoming another victim of a bad system.
Don't make their jobs easy for them. That makes them sloppy. Make them work for it.. Make them do their jobs.
While doing that same email gig I got a email from some Nigerian scammer about the millions that awaited me if I would just help a fellow out. I responded that I was the grand negas and how dare he waste my time with his pathetic scam. As punishment I had used my awesome magical powers to succor his soul. Unless he showed up at my door with the "funds" his email promised me in hand I would be forced to sell his soul to a demon to recoup my costs.
While I never expected a reply or anything to come of this but a chuckle on my part. I did briefly wonder what I would do if some poor fucker showed up on my doorstep with a foot locker full of cash looking to buy his soul.
I worked at a place as email admin. a few years ago. I pulled a email out of the spam pile for a user. It was a exchange between them and a Nigerian scammer. The user was a old guy in his 80's and had sending money to these scammers for years, and still expecting to get millions some time down the road.
The CEO told me to dig in to his account and found out how much he had sent. Turns out he had sent them his grand kids college money, mortgaged his house, his wife had divorced him, and his whole life was basically be soaked up by this scam.
I was ordered to block all contact with him and he scammer, which I happily did. Some higher ups got involved. The old fool got his lawyer involved and in the end I was instructed to unblock his account and let him go on his merry way.
Because they make money that way. Selling your number to some telemarketer. I'm not getting calls from telemarketers, scum, on my cell phone. I believe my provider, AT&T, wants to charge me $6.99 to block telemarketers. fucking scum..
The 1st Amendment doesn't protect you from sedition of slander. Remember who is in office too. The only reason Calexit hasn't been prosecuted is because nobody takes it seriously. You can get as many signatures on that little piece of paper as you want. In the end it will be worth just as much as the paper you wipe your ass with. It will never see a day on the floor of California legislature.
Well you can say that all you want to but the facts still speak for themselves. "The most over turned court in the land." Pretty much says it all.
Before you continue to bray about a free an independent California you should become familiar with US law. Specifically, 18 U.S. Code Chapter 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES.
No. Wrong as in "unconstitutional." Wrong as in "not in line with what the law says." Wrong, as in "overreaching and beyond their legal authority."
As for your independent California Republic. I think we have wasted enough time with that foolishness. It's not going to happen and would fail anyway, So lets just put that topic to bed.
No you will pretty much be deserted by the good ones. Nobody wants to do business in a questionable political climate. We won't mention the tax hikes that will be coming to finance the large public debt. They won't be coming from the middle class because there is no middle class. The only sources left to milk will be the industry. For this reason alone will enough to leave. An knowing that these industries will be looking for a new home other governments will offer crazy tax intensives to move there,
1/5 is a lot of water. Of what California uses, 1/5 is a crazy amount of water. An yes, it will be going away if California does break off, which it won't. All the treaties for the water are with ether the US government or the state of California. They are not with the Republic of California or whatever it would be called. if California was to go it own way those treaties automatically become void. It would take years to renegotiate those, if they are renegotiated at all. Lots of people unhappy with these water treaties.
You act like California is the only place to grow food or that it exists in some kind of bubble. It doesn't. Odds are that water sent to California would be re-purposed to grow else where. Any food that couldn't be grown locally can be imported, say from Mexico.
Then there are tariffs. Didn't think of that did you?
But this is all just a thought exercise. We need to stay in reality. An here is reality. California isn't going anywhere. You will stay apart of the United States weather you like it or not. For some reason if the legislature was to try to break away the government of California would be removed, arrested and charged with treason. Period. That is what would happen.
HAHAHAHAHAno. The tech industry is fed up with the federal government dicking them around over data security. Instead of leaving, they would be staying in droves. And go ahead, tell us exactly what those federal contracts are worth. Meanwhile, marijuana production and tourism would explode, oh and by the way we grow half of the food the nation consumes. If you want to eat more than corn and wheat, you'll pay what we ask, fuckers.
The USA needs California far more than the other way around.
Well let's spend some time and look at that shall we? First let's look at what article this thread is attached to, "New California Ballot Measure Demands Groundbreaking Privacy Rights." That is a referendum put to a public vote to put restrictions on these tech. industries you say are fed up with the federal government dicking them around. So now instead of being regulated by a government body where they have a recourse in court, they would now be regulated by whelms of the public with no recourse in court. An you think they would stay in California?
California is moving to restrict the way these tech. companies do business so what are these companies going to do? They are going move their business to some place where the whelms of the public don't affect their business model. Current that location would be in the United States, so they would probably be relocating to New York.
$375.8 Billion dollars per year. That is what the those federal government spending in California.
Yes, you do grow a lot of food in California, but you only do that because you take water from the surrounding regions. If that was to go away you wouldn't be farming any where as much. Most of the land that you grow food would revert to its natural state, a desert. From what I'm reading corn and wheat are not grown in California. Those are produced in the Midwest, far away from anything that would be affected by a collapse of California ag. Industry.
So, no we don't need you more than you need us. Without the United States California would quickly collapse under is own debt and regulations.
I'm not sure what parts you would consider un-sensible. They are all true. High tax rate, high homeless, large public debt, and water dependence on other states. This is all public record an known issues.
The only thing that I have any personal with is calling Maxine Waters a shreeking fool.
Crazy fool has no clue what happens if they Impeach Lord Trump. We get Mike Pence and then God help us all. That crazy fool thinks he is on a mission from God to put gays back in the closet and women back in kitchen.
Direct democracy, in other words a democracy. They do not work, they never work. Our Founding Fathers saw this and it why we have repressive republic. Another name for mob rule, or the tyranny of the majority.
And as a sovereign state free to issue its own currency, it would also be free to tell those debt holders to pound sand
That would be the absolute worse thing California could do. Not only would you default on your debt, you would be showing the rest of the world that you can't be trusted to honor your commitments. Nobody would do any business with California at all. Being both a new and untested country and one that defaulted on a 700 Billion dollar debt. It would pretty much seal any new country of California doom.
An since most of the industry in Calif. is tied up in that debt, the moment it was defaulted on that industry wouldn't worth piss and shit.
That could happen but I'm betting it wouldn't. There is already some resistance to the current deals in the surrounding states with the water issue. I would think that once they see a way out of it that there would be no deal.
It would take years to renegotiate those water deals. Years that California wouldn't have.
Of course, California would have less debt if it were its own country, since Federal tax money is constantly taken from CA and used to support red states.
We have been over this before too. California wouldn't have any less debt if it was it own country. It would have exactly same amount of debt because you assume that you would be free of your debt if you did secede. Which isn't going to happen anyway. No, what you would do is you would be taking your debt with you.
So lets just say for shits and giggles that you did find some way to go your own way. Here is what would happen. You would be taking your $700B debit with you. But then you would have no way to pay it because what makes you the "5th" largest economy is being attached to the largest economy, The United States. Once you go your own way that support will go away as will all the federal contracts you have plus most of the tech industry will vacate too. So you will lose all that and you can say bye bye to that large economy.
Oh but it gets better. With out the support of the surrounding states you will lose the water that they proved. That will kill off that agriculture you people like to boast about.
So here is the result. You will have a large debt and no way to pay it mainly because all the sources of income that you had will go away. Now you might like to think that you would get foreign investors, but that wouldn't happen ether. You see foreign investors are not going to put money into a new government without a proven track record and a $700B debt.
But at least the rest of us would be free of that raving loon Maxine Waters.
If you don't live in California, you wish you lived in California.
No, not really. I lived in California for awhile. I was very happy to it as a I left it going back to sane states. A place where I can water my lawn and not paint it. Yes, they where painting their lawns green when I was there.
You may have one of the highest economies but it isn't a healthy economy, with 700B in debt. At 13.9% you also have the highest tax rate. Do you know what the tax rate in that my state is? It's 0%.
I have already address California's water dependency before so there is no need to rehash it. Other than to say with out taking water from other states California wouldn't be able to do any where near as much as it tries to do.
But the worse sin that California forces on the rest of the country is that shreeking fool Maxine Waters. You know if you would get rid of her then we could work together on the rest of your problems.
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Wrong again, but I see what you are grousing about. You are making noises about that silly Iran "agreement" that Obama made. Well you should probably do a little research before getting worked up. Iran never signed that "agreement." In fact, there was no "agreement." It was just Obama trying to be a hero and do a end run around Congress. The US never signed it ether. It was a non binding agreement, it was legally, literally worth less than the paper it was printed on.
A little advice. You seem to be really smart sometimes but you let your TDS blind you. You should do a little more research with your eyes completely opened. Do your research a little more like this. Don't look at a issue with a small narrow time frame. Look at the whole picture and spread it over several years. Then actually take the time to read up on a subject.
There, I hope this helps.
The current POTUS and the people he's appointing to cabinet positions are alienating the rest of the world, our allies included
Except, that doesn't seem to be the case. All our allies seem to be happy with Trump leadership. South Korea is tickled pink with him. Japan seems to be pleased with the way things are working out. Nothing shaking in the Nato court, seems pretty normal there. For better or worse, depending on your point of view, Israel is very happy with Trump.
Mexico is unhappy, but they are always unhappy when the gravy train from the U.S. is threatened. Iran has been unhappy for the last 40 years, nothing new there. Russia and US relation are pretty normal, despite was alarmist are saying. China, we are arguing about trade with them, like we have been for the past 2 decades, nothing new there.
So the world seems to be ticking right along, situation normal.
I don't mind if you bitch about Trump, hell it seems to be a sport now. But if you are going to bitch, bitch abut something that is real and not something that you made up after you read some bullshit blog.
Here are some examples. His attempts to increase coal production. Some of the EPA appointees that seem to be a problem. Or his increased spending in the military. What happened to more is with less?
Bitch away but lets stick to facts.
Depends on how much your time is worth to you. Under my original post I pictured that you are already chained to a desk in a gray room waiting for a detective to grace you with his time. If that is the case it is safe to assume your ass is under arrest and anything else you have to do is going to be of less importance.
Always assume that if you are talking to a detective that you are the subject of a criminal investigation. If you are confronted by ether a detective or clothed officer on the street wanting to ask you questions, state that you do not want to be involved. Then seek to remove yourself from the encounter. Do not ever lie to law enforcement or flee from a scene. Just state you do not wish to discuss things with out your lawyer. Then asked "Am I free to go?"
If you are asked to come down to the station by law enforcement for some later "questions." State that you have nothing to say, and that you would rather not go. If you are compelled, ether involuntary or voluntary, consult a lawyer and have him with you during the questioning.
If you find yourself in a interrogation room and not chained to a desk first thing to do is determine if you are being detained. Once the detective enters the room, first thing you ask is "Am I under arrest?" If you are not under arrest then you ask "Am I free to leave?"
If they say you are under arrest or that you are not free to leave, then ask for your lawyer and shut the fuck up. If they say you are free to leave, get up and walk out. Do not shake hands, do not say good bye. Leave. Important take everything with you that you came in with and do not take anything offered. No food or water, nothing.
Always keep asking "am I under arrest" and "am I free to go" till you get an answer.
There isn't all that much interesting stuff on my phone
It isn't what you think that is interesting, it is what law enforcement might find interesting. Something that you find innocent can be twisted any kind of way by some creative DA.
Then there is the issue of un-creative DA or cop that goes straight from fishing for evidence to just simply putting it on your phone. So, if you are arrested and it goes before a judge where the DA says they found naked preteen porn on your phone. Preteen porn that he put there, who is the judge going to believe?
Think of the lock on your phone like the lock on your door. It won't keep the cops from coming in if they want too. But it will make them go through the proper channels to do so. Those channels are might be the only thing that saves you from becoming another victim of a bad system.
Don't make their jobs easy for them. That makes them sloppy. Make them work for it.. Make them do their jobs.
I'm just going to put this here because I know where this topics going go.
First words out of your mouth when talking to law enforcement are as follows, "I want my lawyer."
Then you shut the fuck up till he gets there.
This is true. I drew a penis bird on everything I signed for a week. Nobody said a word.
I could see that as a problem.....
While doing that same email gig I got a email from some Nigerian scammer about the millions that awaited me if I would just help a fellow out. I responded that I was the grand negas and how dare he waste my time with his pathetic scam. As punishment I had used my awesome magical powers to succor his soul. Unless he showed up at my door with the "funds" his email promised me in hand I would be forced to sell his soul to a demon to recoup my costs.
While I never expected a reply or anything to come of this but a chuckle on my part. I did briefly wonder what I would do if some poor fucker showed up on my doorstep with a foot locker full of cash looking to buy his soul.
God I wish hadn't spent all my mod points. That was good.
Fool and his money....
I worked at a place as email admin. a few years ago. I pulled a email out of the spam pile for a user. It was a exchange between them and a Nigerian scammer. The user was a old guy in his 80's and had sending money to these scammers for years, and still expecting to get millions some time down the road.
The CEO told me to dig in to his account and found out how much he had sent. Turns out he had sent them his grand kids college money, mortgaged his house, his wife had divorced him, and his whole life was basically be soaked up by this scam.
I was ordered to block all contact with him and he scammer, which I happily did. Some higher ups got involved. The old fool got his lawyer involved and in the end I was instructed to unblock his account and let him go on his merry way.
Because they make money that way. Selling your number to some telemarketer. I'm not getting calls from telemarketers, scum, on my cell phone. I believe my provider, AT&T, wants to charge me $6.99 to block telemarketers. fucking scum..
The 1st Amendment doesn't protect you from sedition of slander. Remember who is in office too. The only reason Calexit hasn't been prosecuted is because nobody takes it seriously. You can get as many signatures on that little piece of paper as you want. In the end it will be worth just as much as the paper you wipe your ass with. It will never see a day on the floor of California legislature.
I think we are done here. Not happening.
Before you continue to bray about a free an independent California you should become familiar with US law. Specifically, 18 U.S. Code Chapter 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES.
No. Wrong as in "unconstitutional." Wrong as in "not in line with what the law says." Wrong, as in "overreaching and beyond their legal authority."
As for your independent California Republic. I think we have wasted enough time with that foolishness. It's not going to happen and would fail anyway, So lets just put that topic to bed.
No you will pretty much be deserted by the good ones. Nobody wants to do business in a questionable political climate. We won't mention the tax hikes that will be coming to finance the large public debt. They won't be coming from the middle class because there is no middle class. The only sources left to milk will be the industry. For this reason alone will enough to leave. An knowing that these industries will be looking for a new home other governments will offer crazy tax intensives to move there,
1/5 is a lot of water. Of what California uses, 1/5 is a crazy amount of water. An yes, it will be going away if California does break off, which it won't. All the treaties for the water are with ether the US government or the state of California. They are not with the Republic of California or whatever it would be called. if California was to go it own way those treaties automatically become void. It would take years to renegotiate those, if they are renegotiated at all. Lots of people unhappy with these water treaties.
You act like California is the only place to grow food or that it exists in some kind of bubble. It doesn't. Odds are that water sent to California would be re-purposed to grow else where. Any food that couldn't be grown locally can be imported, say from Mexico.
Then there are tariffs. Didn't think of that did you?
But this is all just a thought exercise. We need to stay in reality. An here is reality. California isn't going anywhere. You will stay apart of the United States weather you like it or not. For some reason if the legislature was to try to break away the government of California would be removed, arrested and charged with treason. Period. That is what would happen.
HAHAHAHAHAno. The tech industry is fed up with the federal government dicking them around over data security. Instead of leaving, they would be staying in droves. And go ahead, tell us exactly what those federal contracts are worth. Meanwhile, marijuana production and tourism would explode, oh and by the way we grow half of the food the nation consumes. If you want to eat more than corn and wheat, you'll pay what we ask, fuckers.
The USA needs California far more than the other way around.
Well let's spend some time and look at that shall we? First let's look at what article this thread is attached to, "New California Ballot Measure Demands Groundbreaking Privacy Rights." That is a referendum put to a public vote to put restrictions on these tech. industries you say are fed up with the federal government dicking them around. So now instead of being regulated by a government body where they have a recourse in court, they would now be regulated by whelms of the public with no recourse in court. An you think they would stay in California?
California is moving to restrict the way these tech. companies do business so what are these companies going to do? They are going move their business to some place where the whelms of the public don't affect their business model. Current that location would be in the United States, so they would probably be relocating to New York.
$375.8 Billion dollars per year. That is what the those federal government spending in California.
http://lao.ca.gov/Publications...
Yes, you do grow a lot of food in California, but you only do that because you take water from the surrounding regions. If that was to go away you wouldn't be farming any where as much. Most of the land that you grow food would revert to its natural state, a desert. From what I'm reading corn and wheat are not grown in California. Those are produced in the Midwest, far away from anything that would be affected by a collapse of California ag. Industry.
So, no we don't need you more than you need us. Without the United States California would quickly collapse under is own debt and regulations.
I'm not sure what parts you would consider un-sensible. They are all true. High tax rate, high homeless, large public debt, and water dependence on other states. This is all public record an known issues.
The only thing that I have any personal with is calling Maxine Waters a shreeking fool.
"Impeach!! Impeach!! Impshreeek! Shreek!!! Shreek!!!"
Crazy fool has no clue what happens if they Impeach Lord Trump. We get Mike Pence and then God help us all. That crazy fool thinks he is on a mission from God to put gays back in the closet and women back in kitchen.
No what they are doing is called "direct democracy".
Stop talking about things you don't understand. It only makes you look foolish. An makes my job so much easier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Direct democracy, in other words a democracy. They do not work, they never work. Our Founding Fathers saw this and it why we have repressive republic. Another name for mob rule, or the tyranny of the majority.
No. It's because the 9th circuit has been wrong about more things than any other court in history.
The 9th Circuit
The most over turned court in the land.
And as a sovereign state free to issue its own currency, it would also be free to tell those debt holders to pound sand
That would be the absolute worse thing California could do. Not only would you default on your debt, you would be showing the rest of the world that you can't be trusted to honor your commitments. Nobody would do any business with California at all. Being both a new and untested country and one that defaulted on a 700 Billion dollar debt. It would pretty much seal any new country of California doom.
An since most of the industry in Calif. is tied up in that debt, the moment it was defaulted on that industry wouldn't worth piss and shit.
That could happen but I'm betting it wouldn't. There is already some resistance to the current deals in the surrounding states with the water issue. I would think that once they see a way out of it that there would be no deal.
It would take years to renegotiate those water deals. Years that California wouldn't have.
Of course, California would have less debt if it were its own country, since Federal tax money is constantly taken from CA and used to support red states.
We have been over this before too. California wouldn't have any less debt if it was it own country. It would have exactly same amount of debt because you assume that you would be free of your debt if you did secede. Which isn't going to happen anyway. No, what you would do is you would be taking your debt with you.
So lets just say for shits and giggles that you did find some way to go your own way. Here is what would happen. You would be taking your $700B debit with you. But then you would have no way to pay it because what makes you the "5th" largest economy is being attached to the largest economy, The United States. Once you go your own way that support will go away as will all the federal contracts you have plus most of the tech industry will vacate too. So you will lose all that and you can say bye bye to that large economy.
Oh but it gets better. With out the support of the surrounding states you will lose the water that they proved. That will kill off that agriculture you people like to boast about.
So here is the result. You will have a large debt and no way to pay it mainly because all the sources of income that you had will go away. Now you might like to think that you would get foreign investors, but that wouldn't happen ether. You see foreign investors are not going to put money into a new government without a proven track record and a $700B debt.
But at least the rest of us would be free of that raving loon Maxine Waters.
Oh you also have the highest rate of junkies shooting up in the streets and subways.
If you don't live in California, you wish you lived in California.
No, not really. I lived in California for awhile. I was very happy to it as a I left it going back to sane states. A place where I can water my lawn and not paint it. Yes, they where painting their lawns green when I was there.
You may have one of the highest economies but it isn't a healthy economy, with 700B in debt. At 13.9% you also have the highest tax rate. Do you know what the tax rate in that my state is? It's 0%.
http://www.businessinsider.com...
You also have one of the fastest growing homeless problems. You share that with New York. Wonder what you and NY have in common?
https://endhomelessness.org/ho...
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
I have already address California's water dependency before so there is no need to rehash it. Other than to say with out taking water from other states California wouldn't be able to do any where near as much as it tries to do.
But the worse sin that California forces on the rest of the country is that shreeking fool Maxine Waters. You know if you would get rid of her then we could work together on the rest of your problems.