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iOS 11.4 Disables Lightning Connector After 7 Days, Limiting Law Enforcement Access (macrumors.com)

hyperclocker shares a report from Mac Rumors: The iOS 11.4 update, currently being beta tested, includes a USB Restricted Mode that introduces a week-long expiration date on access to the Lightning port on your iOS devices if your phone hasn't been unlocked, which has implications for law enforcement tools like the GrayKey box. USB Restricted Mode was outlined this morning by Elcomsoft after testing confirmed that the feature has indeed been enabled. In Elcomsoft's experience, after an iPhone or iPad has been updated to iOS 11.4, if it hasn't been unlocked or connected to a paired computer in the last 7 days using a passcode, the Lightning port is useless for data access and limited to charging.

"At this point, it is still unclear whether the USB port is blocked if the device has not been unlocked with a passcode for 7 consecutive days; if the device has not been unlocked at all (password or biometrics); or if the device has not been unlocked or connected to a trusted USB device or computer," reports Elcomsoft. "In our test, we were able to confirm the USB lock after the device has been left idle for 7 days. During this period, we have not tried to unlock the device with Touch ID or connect it to a paired USB device. What we do know, however, is that after the 7 days the Lightning port is only good for charging."

268 comments

  1. Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    which has implications for law enforcement tools like the GrayKey box.

    I bet it has implications for any other attacker who uses the same vulnerabilities, too.

    From a technical standpoint, Law Enforcement is never a special case. That's whether you're protecting computer systems or armoring a knight against swords.

    1. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      I bet it has implications for any other attacker who uses the same vulnerabilities, too.

      This is exactly right. They're not targeting law enforcement; they're targeting greykey and other grey-market hackers.

      Now I want to know: is there an alternative for those with older, jailbroken devices?

    2. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There isn't a key that only the Good guys can use, that the bad guys cannot obtain.
      While I respect our law enforcement workers. And I understand their request for such a key. It is an issue that we cannot allow their job to be as easy as they want. Because I value my personal rights, and I don't want the bad guys being able to get in too.

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    3. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump is going to prison either way though.

    4. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by bobbied · · Score: 0

      That's an excellent point and you should be modded up even as I mention Trump is headed for life in prison alongside Cohen and Manafort.

      Just so you are not caught totally off guard... I have to mention that the Manafort charges are in grave trouble right now. The judge is currently questioning Muller about his authority to bring such charges. The problem for Muller is that the Manafort charges are based on a previously existing investigation that predated Muller's appointment and charges where not made. The implication was that the bringing of charges now is about forcing Manafort to "sing" and not about Muller's mandate.

      IF the judge believes these charges are not within Muller's instructions, they will be dismissed.

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    5. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention, all that shit happened when Manafort was working for the Podesta brothers.

    6. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      I don't like the guy either, but you will need to find way to put some peace back to your life. Being angry and vindictive about this guy isn't helping. In under 6 Months, go out and vote your consciousness. While you may not be able to vote him out of office, you can vote for people who will stop his agenda.

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    7. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't mean Trump didn't obstruct justice or hire him to be his campaign manager anyway, lol. Bend over, comrade. Prison time.

    8. Re: Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just months ago it was "collusion", now it is made up process bullshit because Trump has earnestly expressed frustration with this entire useless circus.

      Trump is innocent of everything except humping Stormy Daniels and watching shark week.

    9. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I thought law enforcement were jackbooted thugs and that black lives mattered?

      I guess not since Kanye's leading them to freedom.

    10. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny because both you and the particular judge in question, Ellis, have no legal feet to stand on in your argument that charges can't be brought. It's already been settled, legally. He has full authority to investigate AND charge. Sorry!

      If you Reagan-era throwbacks just put your overlarge amygdalas together, you can defeat reality! Haha, nope! Prison is coming for all Trump associates. Deal with it sweetheart, lol. You tried.

    11. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet you giggled for an hour until the paint fumes wore off

    12. Re: Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Cosby earnestly expressed his frustrations with his own witch hunts.

      Oh...and Weintstein too.

      Why is it that the folks that are guilty cry the loudest about how they're being "singled out"?

      Trump earned - hell, he DEMANDED - the attention he's getting. If that attention gets him locked up (unlikely - he says he's rich, after all) then I will applaud or Justice Department for doing their fucking job.

    13. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the judge dismisses he will be overturned in a heartbeat. Judges are not immune to political grandstanding. I think this judge has figured out a successful path to the Supreme Court - stroke Trump no matter how absurd the position. Almost worked for Ronny.

    14. Re: Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, it's still collusion you stupid treasonous faggot lol. Wait for it. Mueller is going to laugh last.

    15. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Simple rule of thumb: Conservatives generally support law enforcement at the local level, but are often opposed to federal law enforcement agencies, such as the ATF, SEC, FTC, EEOC, etc. For liberals, it is the other way around.

      Exceptions to this rule: DEA, ICE.

    16. Re: Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mueller will die in poverty, disgraced and alone in a nursery home. It won't be deemed as worth the government expense to incarcerate him, and after he's been disbarred he will have no source of income.

    17. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Muller doesn't have a wide open scope to investigate anything he wants there are limits. He's got to stick to the admittedly vaguely defined set of things or he's outside his authority. Manafort's alleged crimes happened in 2005, well before any election efforts by Trump and Muller was pointed at the Trump campaign and transition to investigate any possible Russian involvement/coordination in the 2016 campaign. You've got to admit this is a stretch to go back to 2005, a full decade before the campaign and charge somebody for something that has nothing to do with the campaign or involves Russians....

      But... You obviously are surprised here and haven't though this through. The judge may dismiss, but all Muller has to do is change venues by convening another Grand Jury in another jurisdiction and charge again... Assuming the statute of limitations hasn't run out. Of course Manafort will have the same argument, but Muller is free to venue shop and get this to trial if he wants.

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    18. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Naw.. Muller will just change venues and recharge in a more favorable place.

      All the ruling will accomplish is firing a warning shot across Muller's bow, but I doubt he would pay attention to it.

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    19. Re: Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crapflooders don't vote. They just crapflood whatever is the trendy meme.

    20. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Can anyone explain why a box like GrayKey works? The guy that does authentication rate limiting had the day off at Apple that day or something? And also: why not fix THAT by a software upgrade?

      (Is there a valid reason for the iphone to accept thousands of wrong authentication requests per second without a time penalty? Is it just me, because this seems like security 101...)

    21. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by bobbied · · Score: 1

      That doesn't mean Trump didn't obstruct justice or hire him to be his campaign manager anyway, lol. Bend over, comrade. Prison time.

      How's this relevant or related? Muller can only investigate certain things, specifically Russian involvement in the presidential campaign and "any crimes uncovered in the investigation."

      Muller wasn't tasked with looking for obstruction of justice so it has to be somehow related to his investigation or he has to trip over the "crime" in the natural course of his primary investigative work.

      Firing Comey wasn't obstruction, it was firing the FBI director who serves at the pleasure of the president. So unless you have some other series of events that amount to obstruction, I'm going to tell you it's a pipe dream you have there. Comey's departure didn't obstruct or effect any FBI investigations. And if you are taking Comey's word for the "I hope you can let this Flynn thing go" conversation, I've got to ask you, did it obstruct anything? Flynn got charged still. AND Trump can argue he wasn't ordering anything, just expressing his preference, and clearly Comey didn't obey.

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    22. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      Simple rule of thumb: Conservatives generally support law enforcement at the local level, but are often opposed to federal law enforcement agencies, such as the ATF, SEC, FTC, EEOC, etc. For liberals, it is the other way around.

      Exceptions to this rule: DEA, ICE, ...

      Conservatives support federal law enforcement agencies too, but only as long as they are coming down like a ton of bricks on the liberal threat to christian conservative American civilisation.

    23. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The solution is simple: Power off the device and disconnect the battery for a few minutes (or intentionally screw around with the cell signal to drain the battery)

      Remember how that story one woman got locked out for 20 years? The phone resets to 1980, giving you 28 years and change to plug it into a greykey box.

    24. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Firing Comey wasn't obstruction, it was firing the FBI director who serves at the pleasure of the president.

      More importantly, Comey was fired at the recommendation of Rosenstein - who wrote a memo highlighting the failures of Comey and why he should be fired. Then once Comey was fired, Rosenstein immediately appointed a special prosecutor (Mueller) to look into the Russian collusion and obstruction of justice for following his recommendation to fire Comey!

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    25. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by Prien715 · · Score: 3, Informative

      What are you talking about?

      Conservatives love law enforcement at every level. They make up the bulk of the FBI/CIA (neither has ever had a Democrat lead it),. Sure, there's libertarians who aren't a fan of law enforcement, but that's because they're liberal (it's right in the name) on issues of personal rights.

      From blackmailing MLK to kill himself to overthrowing popularly elected (leftist) governments in other countries, liberals are generally not fans of law enforcement (or the military) at any level.

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    26. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Local law enforcement is steadily losing support as violent crime continues to drop to generationally low levels, coupled with more visible police abuses.

      Support for DEA is also dropping.

      Support for ICE is probably rising because, as the rate of violent crime and other destructive criminal behaviors like drunk driving are dropping among the native born population, it appears that the crime rate for illegal aliens isn't dropping at the same pace.

    27. Re: Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure he will. Harassment in the welfare line because hes white.

    28. Re: Implications for ALL attackers by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      One of the things that people like you have yet to figure out is that Trump has not only killed off the Bush and Clinton dynasties, he has also shoved the 'religious conservatives' off outta the way. They are still there but much less important. He kinda alienates the bible thumpers. Just posting this so you'll know.

    29. Re: Implications for ALL attackers by haruchai · · Score: 1

      You have to do a lot of handwaving to dismiss the decades & dozens of connections between Trump and dirty Russian money.

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    30. Re:Implications for ALL attackers by fafalone · · Score: 1

      Liberals love law enforcement too-- there's simply no other conclusion to draw from their support of the War on Drugs. That's responsible for the large number of police, their military-like tactics including viewing us as the enemy, what has enabled the vast expansions of their power completely trashing the 4th Amendment, and the total erosion of trust in police almost everywhere.
      Legalizing marijuana isn't going to put the brakes on any of that. The biggest disappointment in liberal support for marijuana is that it in fact has not come from a realization that drug prohibition increases harm; it's really just about marijuana being harmless. You need look no further than the current opiate crisis to see that, liberals and conservatives are hand in hand calling for more policing and longer sentences. The liberal-backed prohibition policies this time have the wonderful effect of essentially being pro-torture; a direct result is severely restricted access to relief for people in debilitating pain who previously had a life but are now bedridden or even killing themselves as control is ceded to the black market resulting in the OD spike. Liberals are backing police and DEA overriding best medical practices full throttle.
      Until liberals actually back off on their support for a policy that takes a dangerous substance and increases the harm it causes along with devastating side effects, inevitably resulting in law enforcement issues I described up top, it's entirely disingenuous to say liberals aren't fans of law enforcement.

    31. Re: Implications for ALL attackers by Type44Q · · Score: 1
      Sure, if you defining "conservative" as someone who's pro-police state... and you're comfortable with your circular reasoning.

      By the way, a true conservative (by the U.S. definition, not the European use of the word) would, to over-simplify, be "anti-cop." It was the liberals under Hamilton that began pushing this big gov't, pro-police fascist (pro-aristocracy; anti-little guy) so perhaps it's time to dispense with your convenient but effectively useless worldview...

    32. Re: Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just months ago it was "collusion", now it is made up process bullshit because Trump has earnestly expressed frustration with this entire useless circus.

      Trump breaks the law a lot, what can I say?

    33. Re: Implications for ALL attackers by reanjr · · Score: 1

      The War on Drugs isn't a liberal policy. Clinton may have been responsible for the largest ramp-up, but it was started by Nixon and really got going under Reagan. Carter tried to wind it down. Obama tried to wind it down. One Democrat's support does not make something a liberal policy.

    34. Re: Implications for ALL attackers by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Clinton wasn't a liberal. His support for it doesn't mean that liberals support it.

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    35. Re: Implications for ALL attackers by baristabrian · · Score: 0

      VERY insightful. Thanks for the thoughtful, intelligent comment.

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    36. Re: Implications for ALL attackers by fafalone · · Score: 1

      Obama did absolutely nothing to wind it down. He slightly reduced some federal sentences. That's it. Anything he did on marijuana reform (a very mixed, and mostly negative record) again isn't going to help much with police. WoD isn't a liberal policy, it's a bipartisan policy.
      And one Democrat supporting it? Please. There's not even one who opposes it. There's not a single Senator on Congressman who stands against the War on Drugs. Zero. Sure they'll call for more treatment, and that's great, but no one is willing to stop prohibition enforced at gunpoint for anything other than pot.

    37. Re: Implications for ALL attackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I'm sure the Nazis who march in support of Trump in record numbers not seen since WWII, and the southern Christians scared of Them Mexicans who are empowered in their racism thanks to Trump's impossible, ineffective, expensive xenophobia wall, are just all quaking in their boots at the new Supreme Leader of USA comrade Trump.

  2. As long as I can disable it... by jawtheshark · · Score: 5, Interesting
    As long as I can disable it...

    Just like I disabled TouchID and the passcode. I just want easy access.

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    1. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No... just no

    2. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why?

    3. Re: As long as I can disable it... by echnaton192 · · Score: 2

      Please hand over your nerd membership card. It has been invalidated by an nothing-to-hide post, Thanks.

    4. Re:As long as I can disable it... by thaylin · · Score: 1

      why would you disable touch ID it is easy access with security still. I mean your thumb is right there anyways. I have learned to hit the touchid when I pick up the device now if I want to unlock it, it litterally costs me no extra time.

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    5. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > easy access

      Putting your thumb on a touch sensor is stupidly easy. So is making your passcode 5555. So, easy from whose perspective? Easy from the perspective of a user who doesn't give a shit about personal data on their phone, or easy from the perspective of a law enforcement apparatus which would rather not have to deal with that pesky Fourth Amendment?

    6. Re:As long as I can disable it... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Because double clickig the home button is even quicker. Never mind that the device doesn't store my finger-hash.

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    7. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Given that the passcode itself is still optional, and that this feature requires that you use a passcode, you shouldn't see any change in how you use your device.

      For the rest of us, however, this simply brings the Lightning connector's functionality more in line with the rest of the system, though there's still room for improvement. iOS already forces you to re-enter your passcode on a weekly basis, as well as forcing you to do so if you ever go more than 24 hours without unlocking it. The fact that the Lightning connector wasn't being similarly locked down prior to now strikes me as odd.

      Also worth pointing out since many people are missing it: this only locks out data access, not power. So if you have an old iOS device dedicated to playing music over Bluetooth while sitting on a shelf, you can still access the music widget on the home screen and can still keep it plugged into power on a continual basis without ever needing to enter the passcode.

    8. Re:As long as I can disable it... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Double clicking the home button is even quicker. It's just a phone. No passwords are stored on it, I don't do ebanking on it. There isn't all that much interesting stuff on my phone.

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    9. Re:As long as I can disable it... by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As long as I can disable it...

      Just like I disabled TouchID and the passcode. I just want easy access.

      I want the opposite - I want to be able to configure those 7 days down to six hours. Or however long I want.
      So yes, this should be a user decision, not a hardcoded value pulled out of some Apple guy's derriere.

    10. Re: As long as I can disable it... by jawtheshark · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You misunderstand. It's not a "nothing to hide" argument. If you have stuff to hide, don't put it on your phone. I just really like convenience .

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    11. Re:As long as I can disable it... by jawtheshark · · Score: 2

      I fully agree: let everyone set their level of paranoia. :-)

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    12. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You clearly haven't tried touch ID in the past couple years. It actually is faster than double-clicking the home button.

    13. Re: As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't believe creimer sucks COCKS

      FTFY

    14. Re:As long as I can disable it... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      No I haven't tried it, and I won't try it. It works just fine as is.

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    15. Re: As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This, mod up.

    16. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      I press the home button once, during this press it reads my fingerprint and authenticates me.
      I fail to see how pressing the home button twice is quicker than pressing it once?

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    17. Re:As long as I can disable it... by jwhyche · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There isn't all that much interesting stuff on my phone

      It isn't what you think that is interesting, it is what law enforcement might find interesting. Something that you find innocent can be twisted any kind of way by some creative DA.

      Then there is the issue of un-creative DA or cop that goes straight from fishing for evidence to just simply putting it on your phone. So, if you are arrested and it goes before a judge where the DA says they found naked preteen porn on your phone. Preteen porn that he put there, who is the judge going to believe?

      Think of the lock on your phone like the lock on your door. It won't keep the cops from coming in if they want too. But it will make them go through the proper channels to do so. Those channels are might be the only thing that saves you from becoming another victim of a bad system.

      Don't make their jobs easy for them. That makes them sloppy. Make them work for it.. Make them do their jobs.

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    18. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF do use it for when it doesn't contain anything worth protecting? Or do you just assume people like me won't steal it and use it to takeover your email addresses and reset your bank account passwords?

    19. Re:As long as I can disable it... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      But if you have an old iOS device plugged into a music dock, it's suddenly less convenient. I don't.

    20. Re:As long as I can disable it... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Double clicking the home button is as quick as double clicking a mouse button. As I've said elsewhere, the device doesn't get my fingerprint hash. Finally, keep in mind that every so few days you have to type in the passcode, which does slow you down. I am not willing to take any slowdown to my routine.

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    21. Re: As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have an iPhone that you donâ(TM)t do anything for which a password is required, you have a significantly more powerful phone than is required for your modest and meager needs.

    22. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Among the people using a device like that, wouldn't you guess that most people access the phone at least once a week to change the track or source, or else play/pause the audio? If you're already doing that, you'll never see this security feature in action. And among those that don't even look at the screen once a week, how many of them bother keeping a passcode enabled in the first place?

    23. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as I can disable it...

      Just like I disabled TouchID and the passcode. I just want easy access.

      Same here. I do not need OR WANT a passphrase/passcode or fingerprint recognition.

      I don't keep anything interesting or sensitive on my iPad and it rarely leaves my home. I just want to press the fucking Home button and have it open.

    24. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There isn't all that much interesting stuff on my phone

      It isn't what you think that is interesting, it is what law enforcement might find interesting. Something that you find innocent can be twisted any kind of way by some creative DA.

      ...

      Yep.

      Imagine this:

      1. You are a suspect in a crime - but you're innocent.
      2. Cops get your phone, and the data on it allows them to tell where you've been.
      3. Cops create a theory of how the crime happened based on your information
      4. Cops go looking for evidence supporting that theory, and they find it.
      5. You're screwed.

      That can happen even if the entire police department has the best of intentions.

      Conversely, if the cops don't have your phone:

      1. You are a suspect in a crime - but you're innocent.
      2. Cops create a theory of how the crime happened based on whatever information they can find
      3. Cops go looking for evidence supporting that theory, and they find it.
      4. Information on your phone proves you don't fit that theory

      The above also shows why talking to the police can be dangerous in any situation: when you give police any information, it can be used against you.

    25. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fine. Then don't make claims about the speed of things you have no knowledge about.

    26. Re:As long as I can disable it... by snakeplissken · · Score: 1

      I am not willing to take any slowdown to my routine.

      dude! you're not supposed to just tell everyone you're the flash!

    27. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with your general message, but your locked front door metaphor doesn't really work for me. It's likely much easier to secure an iphone then your actual house with regards to preventing the police coming in.

      Also, going through proper channels just means talking to their friends down the hall, you know the judge they drink beer with during football season. Still, you are 100% correct in that we shouldn't be so naive about security and why it is important. Bad people, regardless of clothing, are going to do bad things and they have spent lots of time thinking about doing bad things and getting away with it. Dropping kiddie porn on someone's phone is oh so easy to do if they want to.

      No different then arresting someone that is known to be a drug dealer but didn't have any drugs on them at that time. Cops just arrest them, provide their own bag of dope as the evidence and away that person goes. Your word versus theirs. Who do you think will be believed?

      Worse, to shorten jail time, the poor sob that got arrested will take a plea if they get the offer otherwise the judge will come down hard with a full sentence. Very messed up criminal system we have. I'd call if a justice system, but we are children anymore.

    28. Re:As long as I can disable it... by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      I am not willing to take any slowdown to my routine.

      dude! you're not supposed to just tell everyone you're the flash!

      [Achmed The Dead Terrorist voice]

      Mr....."Hurricane"!

      [/Achmed The Dead Terrorist voice]

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    29. Re:As long as I can disable it... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      You actually don't need to unlock the phone to skip tracks or unpause. For that matter, you could do it with the device controls. My most common music use-case is just a shuffle playlist of my entire library, so it's rare that I would need to do much besides play/pause or skip.

      Whether there's a passcode likely depends on any secondary uses the device has, especially when travelling.

    30. Re: As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because putting your finger on a circle is hard.

      Everyone else will be enjoying easy access to your shit too.

    31. Re: As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other than location history, call metadata, text messages, and who you communicate with.

      And by the way, Touch ID only requires one click to unlock, so you are taking more time with a double click.

    32. Re: As long as I can disable it... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      I really want to know what you do with the less than two seconds per week you save by not entering a code. Time is precious, but if you spend any time posting to slashdot at all, you have already wasted orders of magnitude more time than the total time entering a passcode on a phone in its service lifetime.

      That is some serious micromanaged time tracking you have going there.

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    33. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow the level of selfishness is high in this post. The world doesn't revolve around you ... mate.

    34. Re: As long as I can disable it... by ELCouz · · Score: 1

      That is some serious micromanaged time tracking you have going there.

      OP is really OCD about microseconds difference of way of unlocking a fucking iPhone.

    35. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just a phone. No passwords are stored on it, I don't do ebanking on it. There isn't all that much interesting stuff on my phone.

      Nothing interesting, eh?
      I suspect that isn't what the Judge will say after the police plant evidence on your phone :P

      But as with all "security in layers" methods, perhaps you tackle that issue in other ways, like not interacting with the police in a specific but unknown-in-advance way that pisses them off.

      Hopefully with luck, that girl that winked at you which you didn't even notice doesn't turn out to be a dirty cops ex-wife or something.

      People have been and currently are in jail and prison for less.

    36. Re:As long as I can disable it... by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      It is stupidly easy so long as you are actually holding your phone. One of the problems I have is when doing something in my car using hands-free stuff (usually voice), the iPhone comes back and says you must unlock your phone first. Great. So then I fumble to get my phone out and put my thumb on the home button so it can unlock so then I can ask siri to do something. Not having a passcode means I never have to fumble for my phone while driving just so it will do what I asked it to via voice.

      Just an example of course. I actually do have a pin on my phone, but I wish I had finer control over what would require my phone to be unlocked to do, and possibly "trust" voice commands coming from my car (with good authentication). AKA, The car is running, so I have my car keys on me, please trust the voice commands from the car implicitly.

    37. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, going through proper channels just means talking to their friends down the hall, you know the judge they drink beer with during football season.

      Not to burst your bubble, but nobody likes the police. Nobody. Judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys. They put up with them because they have to, but law enforcement officers are morons who regularly screw up legitimate cases out of sheer ineptitude. The only people who hold them in high esteem are other LEO's.

    38. Re: As long as I can disable it... by avandesande · · Score: 1

      No shit I don't lock my phone because the only thing on it is contact list. No email or any other accounts set up on my phone.

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    39. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pulled out of some Apple guy's derriere.

      Talking about Tim Cook I suppose?

    40. Re:As long as I can disable it... by eth1 · · Score: 2

      As long as I can disable it...

      Just like I disabled TouchID and the passcode. I just want easy access.

      I want the opposite - I want to be able to configure those 7 days down to six hours. Or however long I want.
      So yes, this should be a user decision, not a hardcoded value pulled out of some Apple guy's derriere.

      How about zero seconds... If I plug my Android phone into my PC, it won't connect via USB if it's locked, only charge. Doesn't matter if I was on it and hit the lock button two seconds earlier.

    41. Re: As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This Ars Technica story might be of interest to you, especially the comments section....

      https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/05/how-a-suspected-gang-members-traffic-stop-lead-to-a-crucial-privacy-case/

    42. Re: As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't revolve around you either.
      What is so selfish about how he uses his own body on his own phone? He has every right to be selfish in this regard. Just like how I have every right to be selfish and not show you my fine ass.

    43. Re:As long as I can disable it... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why you can pull data through the lightning port without authenticating at all. I guess so you can play music, but surely there's a better way to implement that specific feature.

    44. Re:As long as I can disable it... by khchung · · Score: 1

      As long as I can disable it...

      Just like I disabled TouchID and the passcode. I just want easy access.

      I want the opposite - I want to be able to configure those 7 days down to six hours. Or however long I want.
      So yes, this should be a user decision, not a hardcoded value pulled out of some Apple guy's derriere.

      Second this. I use wifi sync and almost never use the connector to sync. I want to be able to completely disable the connector for anything except charging.

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    45. Re:As long as I can disable it... by msauve · · Score: 1

      Unlike, it seems, most here, I won't try to tell you how to use your phone. That's entirely up to you.

      I use Android, and the deep security is the one and only feature which I really admire of an iPhone. Not that there's anything significant I want to hide, it's more a matter of principle. To make the counter-argument, if I have nothing to hide, they have nothing to look for, so why should I let them?

      In reality, I want the phone to lock more so that if my phone is misplaced or stolen, it's not useful to the finder. That makes it more likely that it might get returned.

      I do find the fingerprint sensor on the back of my Pixel much faster and more convenient than the TouchID sensor on my wife's iPhone. Unlocking is pretty much automatic when I pick up the phone to look at it.

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    46. Re: As long as I can disable it... by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      No, he's just smug about how he "doesn't care" about access to his phone.

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    47. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes do you look at yourself in the mirror while masturbating?

    48. Re:As long as I can disable it... by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Check out Apple Configurator 2:

      https://itunes.apple.com/us/ap...

      You can use it to create your own device profile, with considerably more stringent rules than the default options in the on-device menu. It's may not offer as much granularity as you prefer; but it's a good step up from the defaults. I think you can lower the number of failed login attempts down to 2. You can make complex passcodes mandatory and force aging and rotation. Theres a long laundry list of features you can disable. Hell, you could even force all internet traffic to go through a designated VPN, should you so desire.

      I do have to say the interface is obtuse and unintuitive though. It's definitely not one of the software jewels in Apple's crown. But it gets the job done.

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    49. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it isn't secure?

    50. Re: As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really want to know what you do with the less than two seconds per week you save by not entering a code

      In this guy's case, probably masturbate.

    51. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There isn't all that much interesting stuff on my phone

      It isn't what you think that is interesting, it is what law enforcement might find interesting. Something that you find innocent can be twisted any kind of way by some creative DA.

      ...

      Yep.

      Imagine this:

      1. You are a suspect in a crime - but you're innocent.
      2. Cops get your phone, and the data on it allows them to tell where you've been.
      3. Cops create a theory of how the crime happened based on your information
      4. Cops go looking for evidence supporting that theory, and they find it.
      5. You're screwed.

      That can happen even if the entire police department has the best of intentions.

      Conversely, if the cops don't have your phone:

      1. You are a suspect in a crime - but you're innocent.
      2. Cops create a theory of how the crime happened based on whatever information they can find
      3. Cops go looking for evidence supporting that theory, and they find it.
      4. Information on your phone proves you don't fit that theory, but is disallowed because of the way the data was kept.
      5. You're screwed

      FTFY

    52. Re:As long as I can disable it... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      More to the point why does it do any more than charge without being unlocked? My Pixel XL has to be unlocked and USB data selected before it will do more than charge.

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    53. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      MODDOWN! ; creimer spam post again!

      creimer wants you to click on his youtube channel, then click on his stupid amazon affiliate link spam on Youtube. There is nothing of value on creimer youtube channel. Only creimer click-bot goes there.

      The tests we ran on Chris have shown that Chris has the intelligence of an ameba:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      So, technically, he is able to conceive some kind of agenda but it will be silly or impossible to follow on a human scale.

      For example, Chris had an agenda to post anything he felt like on Slashdot which did not work well because it was based on his false beliefs that he had an infinite number of karma points as he wrote here several times.

      Several people here explained to Chris that karma maxed out at some level like 50 or so but Chris kept on insisting that his python script had confirmed that he had millions of karma points!

      Oh well, as I wrote before: "It isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody."

      For the valuable /. users that might already have read the following, please note that there is an important update.

      IMPORTANT UPDATE:
      Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education has invested money to buy Chris a new chair:
      http://www.keynamics.com/image...

      Information about Christopher Dale Reimer and autistic people:

      Autistic people have obsessions about things normal people don't care. For example, one of our autistic patient went haywire when he realized that there was a penny missing in his pocket change.

      To calm him down, one of our educator pretended to have found it on the floor and gave a penny to him.

      The autistic patient condition went even worse because he realized it wasn't the same penny!

      Chris has an obsession with budgeting every penny. He doesn't understand that most people do not budget to the penny and have a flexible amount they allow for miscellaneous items.

      I am Nancy Guerrero and I am Director of Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education. We use Chris' (a.k.a. creimer,cdreimer) picture in our document because he is the hardest case we have ever had to handle:
      http://www.sccoe.org/depts/stu...

      Our artists were inspired by the low carb diet that Christopher follows scrupulously for the small lunch box and by the picture linked below for the rest. I am sure that you will notice the similarities such as the bump on the side of his chest and more:
      https://ibb.co/gVad65

      Please be easy on Christopher although, I am aware that some of our staff handling Chris post joke comments here and obvoiusly, the Santa Clara County Office of Education disapprove that behavior vehemently:
      http://ibb.co/mRVSaG

      But it isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody.

      Thank You dear users,
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      Special Education
      Santa Clara County Office of Education

    54. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      So why the fuck do you own a smartphone of any flavor, if you only use it in ways that slow you down? You are an illogical wad of shit.

    55. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Pyramid · · Score: 1

      "why would you disable touch ID?"

      Because you can be legally compelled to unlock your phone with a fingerprint. Not with a passcode.

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    56. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you don't cross the border very often.

    57. Re: As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did that at one point. If I didn't use Android Pay, then I would have kept it that way... though I'm considering throwing it out in favour of Samsung Pay (only requires authentication when paying, not always-on).

    58. Re: As long as I can disable it... by Agripa · · Score: 1

      You misunderstand. It's not a "nothing to hide" argument. If you have stuff to hide, don't put it on your phone. I just really like convenience .

      I don't have anything to hide. I just lack anything I want to share.

    59. Re: As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please hand over your nerd membership card. It has been invalidated by a spelling or grammatical error.

      Due to the nature of the error, it could be either and both simultaneously.

    60. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not the poster to whom you were replying, but I'm guessing that fingerprints are fairly easy to get hold of for a sufficiently motivated party, whereas a passcode requires significantly more overt techniques to acquire (i.e. rubber hose decryption).

    61. Re:As long as I can disable it... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      I just want easy access.

      Well, don't buy apple then.

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    62. Re:As long as I can disable it... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Yes double clicking the home button is just as quick as double clicking a mouse...
      But you've still failed to explain why pressing the home button once is slower than pressing it twice?

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  3. Good job Apple! by Murdoch5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The harder it is for law enforcement to access an electronic device, the better our privacy and personal security. Well it sucks for law enforcement to be restricted from accessing the phones of criminals, that's a sacrifice we MUST allow, for all of us to have basic privacy and security.

    1. Re:Good job Apple! by Train0987 · · Score: 2

      If it were simple for law enforcement to access the phones of criminals then they wouldn't use them for criminal purposes and only the privacy of average citizens would be compromised.

    2. Re:Good job Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Devil's advocate here:

      Where is the line crossed between privacy, and aiding/abetting, or even being an accessory for a crime? If a company was known for renting vehicles explicitly for getaway cars, they would be shut down. Many companies (Napster, AudioGalaxy) were shut down for helping with IP infringement.

      When does it go from a privacy feature to actively obstructing justice?

      Oh... and don't forget, iOS backs everything up to iCloud, like it or not, so LEOs dumping the device is not really an issue compared to them just asking for a copy of the files fresh from a backup server.

    3. Re:Good job Apple! by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      So, I'm definitely on the same side as you in this debate and think that the phones should not have any kind of "back door" or anything like that. But....

      You give criminals way too much credit. In general, they aren't thinking it that far through.

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    4. Re:Good job Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cops don't just walk around, grab random people's phones and suck down all the data from them. They need warrants. Which means a judge has to think you likely committed a crime.

    5. Re:Good job Apple! by E-Rock · · Score: 1

      You have to realize that these devices and tools are global. So while we may have a healthy debate on whether the police in your country are acting in good faith, we can probably wholeheartedly agree that there are oppressive governments in the world. Denying the good guys these tools is the price for denying them to the bad guys.

    6. Re:Good job Apple! by E-Rock · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Wrong. US Customs was/is asking to view and download data from travelers' devices.

      http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/usa-border-phones-search-1.4494371

      Blanket sweep, no warrant, no stated purpose, no rules on what was done with your data.

    7. Re:Good job Apple! by rogoshen1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      if it were simple for law enforcement to access the phones of citizens (criminals and innocents alike), they wouldn't just use those capabilities for investigations into criminal matters. It would be a gigantic fishing expedition. Bear in mind the FBI is enthusiastically pushing for back-doors in encryption; it's such a blatant tell as to what their and other LEO groups end game would be. I'm being somewhat sarcastic with this but:

      *red and blue lights in your rearview mirror*
      *police office saunters over, and you roll your window down*
      The officer speaks: "license, registration, and cell phone please"

      Basically to LEO's everyone is a potential suspect. They view due process, privacy rights, the 5th amendment etc as obstacles to doing their job; catching bad guys. But these obstacles are there specifically to keep police honest.

      Sure, removing these obstacles might net a few more criminals locked up, crimes solved etc -- but it comes at the cost of increasingly aggressive police behavior, and erosion of civil liberties.

      Once government on any level gets power, it never, ever voluntarily relinquishes it.

    8. Re:Good job Apple! by Froze · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes they do. And no, they do need a warrant. [citation] https://www.rcfp.org/warrantle...

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    9. Re: Good job Apple! by echnaton192 · · Score: 1

      That is if the encryption of the backup is broken or if the passphrase ist to easy. And you could still backup locally.

      Or if you are willing to ignore that iOS works with secure providers out of the box: caldav, carddav, IMAP > calendar, reminders, contacts, notes. No extra program needed,

    10. Re:Good job Apple! by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Well it sucks for law enforcement to be restricted from accessing the phones of criminals

      The police are not judges. They are suspects, not criminals. Many of which may be found not guilty, in which case they are innocents, not criminals.

    11. Re:Good job Apple! by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      iOS backs everything up to iCloud, like it or not

      Except for the part where the feature is entirely optional? Settings > Apple ID > iCloud > iCloud Backup. Toggle the setting Off if you don't want it. Or, hell, if that's too hard, just do a search for "Backup" as soon as you get into Settings and it'll take you straight to the toggle for it.

      And you answered your own question: they cross the line when they are clearly aiming their product at use in criminal activities, rather than merely making a product that criminals use. Making a better safe for data is something that millions of us are clamoring for use in everyday life, so Apple is nowhere close to the line.

    12. Re: Good job Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no pass phrase, nor encryption, AFIAK, when backing up to iCloud. Apple holds all the keys there.

    13. Re:Good job Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. US Customs was/is asking to view and download data from travelers' devices.

      http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/usa-border-phones-search-1.4494371

      Blanket sweep, no warrant, no stated purpose, no rules on what was done with your data.

      From TFA: You have every right to refuse the warrantless search. But they have ways to convince you to comply willingly. Like not letting you in the country.

      When the police arrest list comes out in my local paper, it's full of these: "Driver consented to vehicle search and narcotics were discovered." Funny how that works.

    14. Re:Good job Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      - No rights at the border for the most part.
      - If you don't allow access to the device, you will have to forfeit it.
      - I bring 2 burner phones. Both are blank. One has a PIN.
      - The blank phone they let me keep.
      - The PIN phone I let them keep.
      - It's amusing for me, but it sort of irritates the border patrol to be making the point.
      - I try to mention "this thing called the internet I will use to 'fill up the empty phone' once I get to Canada."
      - More amusement.
      - Empty threats of felony arrest.
      - Frustration for them because I win.
      - Vacation in Canada!
      - Phone wiped before return.
      - Border card confused why bring a blank phone.
      - Amusement.
      - Home safe!

    15. Re: Good job Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I have icloud backup turned off, I am sure some percent of criminals do too.

      The answer to your question, though, is "never". There is never a point at which supplying a computer with encryption is abetting a crime.

    16. Re:Good job Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, of course you can refuse - but then, you may not be able to go home. That's a steep price to pay for most people.

    17. Re:Good job Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have arguments, but are missing the judgement...

    18. Re:Good job Apple! by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2

      Basically to LEO's everyone is a potential suspect. They view due process, privacy rights, the 5th amendment etc as obstacles to doing their job; catching bad guys. But these obstacles are there specifically to keep police honest..

      I've worked with a number of LEOs, including senior people, and their view of due process, search limits, etc, were positive. They want to arrest bad guys but as one put it "those same protections protect me as a private citizen a well and I don't want them to be trampled in the search for a bad guy."

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    19. Re: Good job Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Law enforcement officers held to the same standards as âoeciviliansâ? Thatâ(TM)s a good one!

    20. Re:Good job Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see that your anus has never had the pleasure of being served and protected.

      I promise you once it has you will never ever feel quite safe again. Especially someone like yourself who apparently still believes in fairness, ethics, justice, and the rule of law. No, they will take your phone and beat your ass until you resist. Then you can stay detained naked in a feces covered cell until you agree with their version of the story and get dismissed in the morning not exactly guilty but somehow still with a few fines and fees to pay.

      Only a small number of departments are this corrupt and many more are still corrupt but less so. Most of them belong to little highway towns and provide full service attitude adjustments to thousands of satisfied Americans every year.

      Y'all come back now!

    21. Re: Good job Apple! by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You're so goofy. I bet you get a lot of enjoyment out of clowning around telling stories like that. Thank goodness nobody takes you seriously.

    22. Re:Good job Apple! by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      > iOS backs everything up to iCloud, like it or not, so
      > LEOs dumping the device is not really an issue
      > compared to them just asking for a copy of the files
      > fresh from a backup server.

      1) You can turn that function off.

      2) To get at the data stored in iCloud, the police have to goto a judge for a subpoena or warrant; which can then be contested. That's a world apart from building a backdoor into the device, which the police are then able to use extrajudicially. We need more oversight and less power in the hands of the police; not less and more. And, case in point: there was ZERO controversy about the FBI subpoenaing the data stored in iCloud and Apple handing it over. Handing over what you have is one thing. Apple's objection was at the prospect of being forced to engineer a backdoor into the iPhone, ACTIVELY becoming agents, in fact if not name, of the FBI.. Being forced to actively collaborate is something else entirely.

      3) Seriously... in what world do real criminals and terrorists set up AppleIDs, iCloud accounts, and data backups on the phones which they actually use to plot their nefarious schemes anyway? That's like leaving your master plan on a 3.5" floppy on your desk blotter, labeled "Operation Impending Doom", the password written on a post-it next to the disk, and the password being pa55w0rd. Hell... even kids making prank calls use burner (non-smart)phones bought with cash these days.

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    23. Re:Good job Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They don't need any of that. Laws let them do almost whatever they want within 100 miles of any border. International airports are considered part of the border as well. The vast majority of the population lives within these 100 mile zones.

      If that's a problem for you, then you should be fighting it by changing the laws. Trying to work around it with technical solutions is a dead end and waste of resources.

    24. Re:Good job Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anecdotal fallacy at play here. Just because you know some "good" cops doesn't mean bad cops won't take advantage of you.

    25. Re:Good job Apple! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Nah. I';m a straight cis white man who's well-off and can afford a good lawyer. (This officially does not imply a belief in the rule of law, of course. I do believe in fairness, ethics, and justice, and think the "criminal justice" system would be better off with them.)

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  4. Too bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Too bad you can't select the time out period in settings. 12-24 hours would be ideal.

    1. Re: Too bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agreed. I only ever use the port for charging. Iâ(TM)d like it to be always locked.

    2. Re:Too bad... by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yep, a week is much too long.

      Why would you even need data access when it's locked anyway? How hard is it to unlock it when you need that?

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    3. Re:Too bad... by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2

      I use the port for charging only myself. It would be nice if iOS had a feature similar to Android that allows the device to choose what it presents itself as. For example, my current Android phone can present itself as an ADB device, MTP device, USB volume, or nothing at all, only allowing charging through the port.

      I wouldn't mind a 1-2 hour timeout myself.

    4. Re: Too bad... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I only ever use the port for charging. Iâ(TM)d like it to be always locked.

      I'm with you on that.

    5. Re:Too bad... by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      Yep, a week is much too long. Why would you even need data access when it's locked anyway? How hard is it to unlock it when you need that?

      I sit down at my desk, plug my phone into my laptop, and start doing stuff on the laptop say to retrieve photos or sync music. "Please unlock phone to proceed" it says. So I clear away the jumble of papers, get the phone, press my thumb awkwardly into touch-id because it's lying on the desk not in my hand, and go back to work on photos+music. I get distracted by something else on the computer for a few minutes, resume my iphone syncing work, and have to redo the awkward unlock dance once again. I get up to get a coffee, come back to my computer to resume iphone syncing work, and have to redo the awkward unlock dance once again. I get up to use the restroom (and take my phone with me), come back to the desk, plug it in, resume iphone syncing work, but it's already locked so I have to redo the awkward unlock dance once again.

      In all I get pretty fed up with having to keep unlocking it when it's at my desk!

      (Sometimes I take a lot of time syncing because I'm preparing my child's device with videos for a long plane flight. Sometimes I'm transferring photos from my phone to my laptop. Sometimes I'm transferring photos from my laptop to my phone. It often takes quite a while to do all these things.)

    6. Re: Too bad... by darkain · · Score: 1

      But this is Apple we're talking about here! Some people still enjoy listening to music over their headpho... erm... Lightning port...

    7. Re:Too bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd assume iPhones are already like this. My Android phone certainly is. After plugging my phone into the computer, I must unlock it at least once before I have access to the data on it. Then I have access until I unplug the device.

      I think this article is about completely disabling the port. Plugging in a device simply won't enumerate as a plugged in device, closing one possible attack vector. Being able to bypass a locked phone and access data simply by plugging it into a computer would be asinine.

    8. Re: Too bad... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You're supposed to buy those little crunchy ear pood things and step on them every so often (they have curved glass loan payments to make) They're blue tooth (kinda. It's special blue tooth)

    9. Re: Too bad... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You probably also have OTG available on your Android. This is nice because it allows you to plug USB thumb drives in through an OTG dongle.

    10. Re:Too bad... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Your phone is badly designed, but that's not a reason to weaken security with this kind of half baked feature.

      My USB port is charging only until I unlock the phone and select data mode. Then it stays that way until I unplug.

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    11. Re:Too bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems like your problem is that you configured your phone to auto-lock after a few minutes even though you have it with you all day long.

  5. Re:DO NOT WANT by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Informative

    It only disables data on the lightning port. You are still free to unlock via the passcode or other means.

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  6. Re:DO NOT WANT by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Older iOS devices" probably won't get this feature since many of them aren't compatible with iOS 11.4, and it sounds like the feature automatically turns off when you start using the device again.

    I'd rather personally give my PIN to any law enforcement officer who cared to ask for it than have this feature implemented.

    I think the issue is more in regards to when they don't ask.

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  7. Re:DO NOT WANT by Aaden42 · · Score: 1

    What part of even the summary much less the article made you think this was permanent? Unlock with passcode, and all is forgiven...

  8. 7 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if you could spoof NITZ and change the time on the phone to defeat this?

  9. Re:DO NOT WANT by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

    What gives you the idea that it'd permanently lock out the USB port? Its a security feature like when you reboot and it requires a passcode before everything works.

  10. Re:DO NOT WANT by Nkwe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have older iOS devices that I sometimes go weeks at a time leaving them untouched on the shelf but I pick them up to play with once in a while. Heck, I go on vacations greater than week a couple of times a year and since I don't want to bother with roaming, I leave my primary phone at home. I certainly don't want my USB to permanently lock out the first time I don't touch my phone for a week. I'd rather personally give my PIN to any law enforcement officer who cared to ask for it than have this feature implemented.

    Why does this feature bother you? It doesn't brick the phone, it just disables USB data until you unlock the phone, once unlocked everything is back to normal. My only issue with the feature is that the lockout should be more like 7 minutes instead of 7 days.

  11. Re:DO NOT WANT by Dan+East · · Score: 2

    I certainly don't want my USB to permanently lock out the first time I don't touch my phone for a week.

    By "permanently" I assume you mean "until I unlock my phone", and not really "permanently".

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  12. Re:DO NOT WANT by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

    I have older iOS devices that I sometimes go weeks at a time leaving them untouched on the shelf but I pick them up to play with once in a while.

    Heck, I go on vacations greater than week a couple of times a year and since I don't want to bother with roaming, I leave my primary phone at home. I certainly don't want my USB to permanently lock out the first time I don't touch my phone for a week.

    I'd rather personally give my PIN to any law enforcement officer who cared to ask for it than have this feature implemented.

    It just means you have to unlock your device first before you can connect it to your computer. After a week, all it can do is charge from USB.

    It doesn't permanently disable USB, it just makes it so if your device hasn't been unlocked, after a week, a data connection to the device is no longer possible.

    It's a workaround to those GreyKey boxes - to use those to break the code, you need to do it within a week.

  13. Re:DO NOT WANT by Nemyst · · Score: 1

    Uh, you realize unlocking it will unlock the USB right back, right? If the inconvenience of putting in a PIN or touching your finger on the reader once after a week is too much, then just don't use any kind of authentication and the phone won't ever go in restricted mode.

  14. First words out by jwhyche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm just going to put this here because I know where this topics going go.

    First words out of your mouth when talking to law enforcement are as follows, "I want my lawyer."

    Then you shut the fuck up till he gets there.

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    1. Re:First words out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man... Trump really needs basic shit like you around to tell him the basic shit. Where were you when Trump decided to become a traitor and then tried to obstruct justice, lol? Giuliani lol... "Da Trump Team"

    2. Re:First words out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you just assume the lawyer's gender?

    3. Re:First words out by mark-t · · Score: 1

      That depends if your time is worth the inconvenience of having to wait for the lawyer.

      If you are needing to be somewhere and the annoyance of having to comply for a few minutes is worth missing your appointment in addition to waiting for 2 or 3 hours for your lawyer to arrive, then sure...

      Personally, I'd rather just do what they say.... barring being placed under arrest, I don't think I'd be saying I want to speak with my lawyer unless they gave me a real indication that my life was about to get a whole lot more complicated than I'd like it to be.

    4. Re:First words out by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Works for the police... but what about entering the USA, especially as a non US citizen?

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    5. Re:First words out by DarkOx · · Score: 3, Informative

      First words out of your mouth when talking to law enforcement are as follows, "I want my lawyer."

      Then you shut the fuck up till he gets there.

      There is ONE exception; if you have just killed someone than its "I was afraid for my life" which keep repeating as if you have no understanding of what is going for 20min or so than switch to "I want my lawyer" and promptly shut up.

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    6. Re: First words out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So you turn a traffic stop into custody and vehicle impound situation until the whole thing is cleared up.

    7. Re:First words out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Spoken like a white person who's never been detained by the cops. Trust me, answering their questions almost always just leads to trouble.

    8. Re:First words out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ive never seen a single good female lawyer, so cram it!

    9. Re:First words out by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Not entirely true, actually.... but on the occasions where I have been stopped and interrogated by cops for no reason connected with anything I did and requested to answer some questions, it has always been quite expedient, because I've provided them with the information they wanted, and was free to go. It's happened three times in my life, actually. Once while I was a teen, once in my twenties, and the last time was just a few years ago.

      Had they said anything to me to suggest that I was being placed under arrest, you can sure as bet that the first thing out of my mouth would have been to speak to my lawyer. But if they are asking quick and straightforward questions like my name, where I live, or what I'm doing in the area (in my experience always because of some recent criminal activity in the area that the police were investigating), then I don't have a problem with it. I'm pretty sure that if I had instead opened with the line that I wanted to speak with my lawyer, while this request would certainly not have been denied, I know for a fact I would have been waiting a whole shitpile longer than the 2 or 3 minutes that the questioning has taken.

      Trust me, answering their questions almost always just leads to trouble.

      I imagine that must depend heavily on what the questions are, because it's never happened in my experience.

    10. Re:First words out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First words out of your mouth when talking to law enforcement are as follows, "I want my lawyer."

      Then you shut the fuck up till he gets there.

      There is ONE exception; if you have just killed someone than its "I was afraid for my life" .

      Except that one only works if you're a cop.

    11. Re:First words out by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      I'm just going to put this here because I know where this topics going go.

      First words out of your mouth when talking to law enforcement are as follows, "I want my lawyer."

      Then you shut the fuck up till he gets there.

      Good advice. Every cop I know gives the same advice.

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    12. Re:First words out by jwhyche · · Score: 4, Informative

      Depends on how much your time is worth to you. Under my original post I pictured that you are already chained to a desk in a gray room waiting for a detective to grace you with his time. If that is the case it is safe to assume your ass is under arrest and anything else you have to do is going to be of less importance.

      Always assume that if you are talking to a detective that you are the subject of a criminal investigation. If you are confronted by ether a detective or clothed officer on the street wanting to ask you questions, state that you do not want to be involved. Then seek to remove yourself from the encounter. Do not ever lie to law enforcement or flee from a scene. Just state you do not wish to discuss things with out your lawyer. Then asked "Am I free to go?"

      If you are asked to come down to the station by law enforcement for some later "questions." State that you have nothing to say, and that you would rather not go. If you are compelled, ether involuntary or voluntary, consult a lawyer and have him with you during the questioning.

      If you find yourself in a interrogation room and not chained to a desk first thing to do is determine if you are being detained. Once the detective enters the room, first thing you ask is "Am I under arrest?" If you are not under arrest then you ask "Am I free to leave?"

      If they say you are under arrest or that you are not free to leave, then ask for your lawyer and shut the fuck up. If they say you are free to leave, get up and walk out. Do not shake hands, do not say good bye. Leave. Important take everything with you that you came in with and do not take anything offered. No food or water, nothing.

      Always keep asking "am I under arrest" and "am I free to go" till you get an answer.

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    13. Re:First words out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'm pretty sure that if I had instead opened with the line that I wanted to speak with my lawyer, while this request would certainly not have been denied

      Hahaha Ok if that's what you think.
      Unless there are a bunch of witness around you'll be lucky if they don't start screaming at you like a drill sergeant and call up 5 more cops and a fake drug dog to signal you're driving a motorized opium poppy.
      Then they will rip you from the car, put you face down in nice gravely mud puddle and shove their knee into your back while they ziptie your wrists together as hard as they can. Don't you dare resist because then the fun starts.
      You can lie there face down while they pull all the seats out of your car and drop them in the mud next to you while screaming "WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE DRUGS WHERE ARE THE DRUGS SCUMBAG"

      After you get to the station, if you haven't "resisted" you can expect to wait around with no belt or shoes or maybe no clothes at all until a phone is "available".

      I've heard it's even cooler when you're black.

    14. Re:First words out by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Depends on how much your time is worth to you. Under my original post I pictured that you are already chained to a desk in a gray room waiting for a detective to grace you with his time. If that is the case it is safe to assume your ass is under arrest and anything else you have to do is going to be of less importance.

      Yes, in that case, I would definitely be asking for my lawyer.... but in my admittedly few experiences with being questioned by police it has always been thankfully brief, lasting only 2 or 3 minutes at most, and always outdoors.

    15. Re:First words out by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Well yes... as I said, it might be quite a wait for the lawyer, and at no point did I suggest that the wait would be a pleasant one, only that they would generally honor the request. If you think otherwise, I expect you've watched one too many fictional police dramas.

    16. Re:First words out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you shut the fuck up till he gets there.

      My lawyer identifies as a bucket of slime, you insensitive clod.

    17. Re:First words out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mark is a conservatard. You can't argue with him about this. He is a professional bootlicker. Cops are golden.

    18. Re: First words out by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Hillary has a law degree... (handy, for whenever Bill is disbarred)

    19. Re: First words out by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      It's okay, the guys at the impound lot are really careful.

    20. Re:First words out by fafalone · · Score: 1

      And make sure you don't use any superfluous language either, like saying 'I want my lawyer, dog'. They'll omit the comma, and then rule that you didn't actually ask for a lawyer, you asked for a lawyer dog (a canine with a legal degree), and since that doesn't exist you have not invoked your right to counsel. And the Louisiana Supreme Court actually upheld that nonsense. That's the most extreme example, but there's plenty of tricks they have to deny you your rights. Like you have the right to remain silent, but must affirmatively invoke the right; you can't just actually remain silent, you must inform them that you are exercising your right to remain silent.

    21. Re:First words out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had they said anything to me to suggest that I was being placed under arrest, you can sure as bet that the first thing out of my mouth would have been to speak to my lawyer. But if they are asking quick and straightforward questions like my name, where I live, or what I'm doing in the area (in my experience always because of some recent criminal activity in the area that the police were investigating), then I don't have a problem with it. I'm pretty sure that if I had instead opened with the line that I wanted to speak with my lawyer, while this request would certainly not have been denied, I know for a fact I would have been waiting a whole shitpile longer than the 2 or 3 minutes that the questioning has taken.

      I suggest you read "You Have the Right to Remain Innocent" by professor James Duane, the "Don't talk to police" professor. In the book there are numerous examples where answering even to few innocent questions are used against you to get you into world of trouble for things you haven't (most likely) done.
      You are asked what are you don't in the area. You answer truthfully as you have nothing to hide. All kind of stuff happen, fast forward and we are in the court room, you being the defendant for something that you haven't done. The cop is giving a testimony: "I asked the defendant of his whereabouts. His answer made me suspicious. The answer was so good that it must have been premeditated for situation like this"
      Boom! There you have it. A highly trustful person (A police) has just turned your honest answer to a weapon against your credibility.

      The book is full of these examples. It's not too long book, it's not too expensive. I suggest getting it and reading it.

    22. Re:First words out by rastos1 · · Score: 1

      Always keep asking "am I under arrest" and "am I free to go" till you get an answer.

      The answer is "no" and "no". Don't expect the logic to come into that.

    23. Re:First words out by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      First words out of your mouth when talking to law enforcement are as follows, "I want my lawyer."

      This is a sad reflection of policing in the USA. It's great advice, but not necessarily universal. Follow it in the USA, but don't treat police like your enemy everywhere in the world.

    24. Re:First words out by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Leaving aside your estimate of my intelligence, your evaluation of my political leanings is so far removed from reality that it boggles the mind that one who would appear to conclude such a thing is doing anything other than putting random sentences together in the blind hope that they might appear coherent.

    25. Re:First words out by mark-t · · Score: 1

      ... All kind of stuff happen, fast forward and we are in the court room....

      And why would you assume that I wouldn't have been asking for a lawyer as soon as they arrested me, if not as soon as I realized that they were unnecessarily continuing to question me, regardless of the validity of the answers that I had already given?

      I could have asked for a lawyer initially, obviously.... and had every right to reasonably expect that the request would have been granted, but that 2 or 3 minutes of answering a couple of questions would have turned into 2 or 3 hours of doing absolutely dick-all, and for no reason.

      If they go and arrest me anyways for something that they believe I had something to do with, even though I answer their questions honestly, then I'm still inconvenienced anyways.... what's the difference at that point if it's because they are arresting me for something I didn't do vs having to wait for my lawyer if that's the first thing I say? Either way I'm at least sitting around waiting for the time it takes to speak to my lawyer, so unless I *really* wanted to spend that time waiting around doing nothing instead of going on with my life, the most expedient thing to do is to be transparent, and my own personal experiences in this regard validate this assumption.

    26. Re:First words out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens if you accept their food or water?

    27. Re:First words out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The answer is "no" and "no". Don't expect the logic to come into that.

      So you've never even had a traffic ticket?

    28. Re:First words out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the advice.

      One small point: Above you wrote "clothed officer". I think you meant "uniformed officer" there. Hopefully any police officer that you are confronted by on the street will be clothed.

    29. Re: First words out by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The question is whether it's worth it to the police. If you refuse to answer them, and they let you go, there's no hassle, and, best, no paperwork to fill out.

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    30. Re:First words out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but that is complete bollocks.

      There are no doubt some circumstances where you should be very careful what you say, even if you are not guilty. However, there are many more where that is completely overkill.

      For example - you witness an road traffic accident. Are you really going to say "I want my lawyer" like some kindof police drama parrot? Or are you going to give your account of the incident like a responsible mature adult (which I assume you are)?

      Or how about you (and others) witness a fight and need to give a description of the attacker? "I want my lawyer" - you will look like a complete tool.

      OTOH, perhaps you live in an area where such OTT responses are necessary. I live in the real world instead.

    31. Re:First words out by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      One small point: Above you wrote "clothed officer". I think you meant "uniformed officer" there

      hehe. Yeah that is what I meant. I caught that after I posted it. My first image was that of a naked meter maid wearing nothing but cop hat wrestling me to the ground.

      "Hello Penthouse. You are not going to believe this one....."

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  15. Even better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If users could select a period of time from 1 day to never, it would be even better. Seven days could just be the default setting.

    1. Re:Even better by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Or even less. I think the idea should be: Unlock your phone if you want to connect it to a computer. Which is kind-of what happens now although that requires some data to be exchanged. It's also a usability issue but I agree with at least having the option.

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    2. Re:Even better by dark.nebulae · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      I would prefer if I had to unlock to plug it in or use car mode or anything else using the Lightning cable.

  16. Re:DO NOT WANT by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    My only issue with the feature is that the lockout should be more like 7 minutes instead of 7 days.

    That was my thought, too.

    Or make it user-settable.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  18. Re:A week? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    car mode?

  19. You answered your question by raymorris · · Score: 2

    > If a company was known for renting vehicles explicitly for getaway cars, they would be shut down.

    You pretty much answered your own question there.
    Renting out cars is fine. Tailoring a service as getaway cars, and advertising getaway cars for criminals, would be unlawful.

    > Many companies (Napster, AudioGalaxy) were shut down for helping with IP infringement.

    And in those cases evidence was introduced, such as internal emails, showing that company executives were actively trying to get more infringing content added, such as paying people to add infringing content.

  20. Re:DO NOT WANT by Dayze!Confused · · Score: 1

    Or make it user-settable.

    Lol, This is Apple, you can't even set how long the snooze function is for the alarm clock.

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  21. What? by AC5398 · · Score: 1

    So if I hook the phone up to the car stereo via a usb cable, or to the Windows laptop via a usb cable, I'd be outta luck?

    This means I'd have to get an Android phone next. Who thought up this idiocy?

    1. Re:What? by MooseTick · · Score: 1

      "So if I hook the phone up to the car stereo via a usb cable, or to the Windows laptop via a usb cable, I'd be outta luck?"
      You'd be out of luck if you haven't entered the passcode in 7 days or used your fingerprint and don't want to be bothered with authenticating by those means.

      "Who thought up this idiocy?"
      Someone who doesn't like their security controls being bypassed.

    2. Re:What? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      So if I hook the phone up to the car stereo via a usb cable, or to the Windows laptop via a usb cable, I'd be outta luck?

      iOS already requires that you use your passcode to unlock the device if it's been more than a week since the last time you used it, as well as after 24 hours if you haven't unlocked it using TouchID or FaceID during that time, and those have been true for several years now. So, if you wanted to control your music on, say, your car stereo, you'd already need to unlock your phone. This wouldn't change that.

      All this is doing is making it necessary to enter your passcode if you haven't unlocked the phone in the last 7 days before you can sync to a computer, put it into DFU mode, or do other things of that sort. If you're not already unlocking it on a regular basis, you're already having to enter your passcode anyway, so you won't even notice the difference. And if you are entering your passcode regularly, you won't ever receive this prompt in the first place.

      On the other hand, if you're talking about reading the music files directly off the iPhone as if it was an external drive with MP3s on it, then that's a bit of a manufactured complaint, given that iOS doesn't support that option in the first place.

  22. Am I missing something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Im not sure how this works but why does the lightning/usb port do anything when the device is locked?

    1. Re:Am I missing something? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Think of it as any really old computer design. Get down to the chips on the motherboard and its all mostly wide open.
      Having more crypto to protect every part of the hardware would add to power use and add more complexity.
      New crypto chips between the CPU, OS and every other part of the computer?
      The user also wants a fast direct pipe to move data with a device they own.
      The easy fix it to crypto the direct and fast pipe off after a set time rather than actually securing the device.
      Easy for law enforcement to get in globally (great news for export police compliance). Reassure the US market that "privacy" is protected and part of the product branding.

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  23. Why 7 days? by Tyrannosaur · · Score: 1

    Is there any reason not to have an option to keep USB restricted mode unless the device is *currently* unlocked? Or it has to be unlocked within the last 5 minutes? What use case is there where you want to connect USB to it but cannot unlock it? (Aside from, of course nefarious purposes)

    1. Re:Why 7 days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because that's how long it takes the FBI to recreate another world where you're guilty... err, god, i meant the party... err.. gotta go

  24. shifty apes by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Obviously, if you've been outside of America, you've been up to some un-American doings and are suspect.
    yeesh, do I have to explain everything for you?

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  25. Re:DO NOT WANT by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

    It doesn't permanently disable USB, ...

    Here's a quote from the article, quoting Apple documentation:

    In developer documentation, Apple says the new mode is meant to bolster security on the iPhone and iPad: "To improve security, for a locked iOS device to communicate with USB accessories you must connect an accessory via Lightning connector to the device while unlocked - or enter your device passcode while connected - at least once a week."

    Emphasis mine. "At least once a week" is not the same as "sometime within the last week". Letting the phone sit on the shelf locked for a year and then entering the passcode to connect it to something is not "at least once a week".

    Now, of course, the Apple docs could be wrong, and it seems likely they are. But, this would not be the first time that a company does something stupid that they actually document correctly (e.g. Android write-protecting SD cards after 4.4.) They do seem to say that it is permanent, however.

  26. When is 11.4 GA scheduled? by trevc · · Score: 1

    Awesome - when can I get 11.4? We need to take our privacy back!

    1. Re:When is 11.4 GA scheduled? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As you give it up posting on facebook.

  27. Re: DO NOT WANT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So turn your phone off before leaving?

  28. Re:DO NOT WANT by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

    My only issue with the feature is that the lockout should be more like 7 minutes instead of 7 days.

    No, it should be user-specified. There's not a terribly good reason why you shouldn't be able to set 7 minutes, he sets 7 days, and I set 7 hours....

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  29. Car audio by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Is there any reason not to have an option to keep USB restricted mode unless the device is *currently* unlocked?

    In theory right now I think you can connect a phone to the car and have music immediately playing without having to unlock the phone...

    The way people use phones though, I'd make the duration 24 hours before blocking data access as almost certainly someone will unlock a phone once every 24 hours. Seven days seems like a bit too long.

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    1. Re:Car audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I was thinking seven days is too long. It should definitely be in the "hours" range --
      how a reasonable person would be expected to use their phone. Most people would unlock it
      it at least once every six hours, and nighttime it would put the port in restricted mode until the morning.
      It really makes the most consumer-wise sense.

      CAP === 'aliased'

    2. Re:Car audio by TreeInMyCube · · Score: 1

      Yes, exactly. In my Ford vehicle, I plug my iPhone into the car's USB port using the cable. I can use either 1) Ford SYNC or 2) Car Play and Siri to select music with my voice. The playlist starts, I drive along, and the phone eventually locks. I can still select music hands-free, and the data flows up and down the USB connection. If the Lightning port locked after (say) a few minutes, I would not hear much music. One would expect similar results if listening to a streaming app, podcasts, or other media. I could use the Bluetooth connection, but the wired connection has the added benefit of charging the phone, too.

    3. Re:Car audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not both? Plug it in for charging, and stream the music over bluetooth at the same time. There's really no need for USB data while the phone is locked.

    4. Re:Car audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, exactly. In my Ford vehicle, I plug my iPhone into the car's USB port using the cable. I can use either 1) Ford SYNC or 2) Car Play and Siri to select music with my voice. The playlist starts, I drive along, and the phone eventually locks. I can still select music hands-free, and the data flows up and down the USB connection. If the Lightning port locked after (say) a few minutes, I would not hear much music. One would expect similar results if listening to a streaming app, podcasts, or other media. I could use the Bluetooth connection, but the wired connection has the added benefit of charging the phone, too.

      Yes, but a week is entirely too long.

      Since this is Apple, I wouldn't expect something obvious and convenient like a setting for that though.

    5. Re:Car audio by Tyrannosaur · · Score: 1

      That's a pretty good example. What I imagine would be better is 1. I plug my phone into the car 2. My screen lights up "unlock phone for USB connectivity" 3. I unlock my phone, and authorize the usb. Then it stays connected, even if my phone locks again. If I unplug and re-plug it, I can unlock the phone again.

  30. "privacy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not so much a feature aimed for privacy and more a feature to deter law enforcement.
    I'm just waiting for the US gov to sue Apple at this point for interfering with crime investigations.

  31. Re:Oh really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    -1 Flamebait!

    Oh my! Apple fanboi strikes again! You dumbasses think they are really restricting access to everybody? Boy, have I got a bridge for you!

  32. Re:A week? by darkain · · Score: 1

    Music? This is Apple. They forced EVERYTHING to that single port.

  33. Why not allow you to enable this feature 100% of t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would prefer my iPhone data connection to be disabled always...

  34. Re:Good job Apple! rotfl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But yet people are giving up personal data to social networks with no issues.

    Also if it is made by man it can and will be hacked. Just give it some time.

  35. Re:DO NOT WANT by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    I'd rather personally give my PIN to any law enforcement officer who cared to ask for it than have this feature implemented.

    In the US and most other countries, we already have laws to compel you to give up your PIN if the police have a good reason (aka "probable cause") to believe you've been involved in - or are planning to be involved in - criminal activity.

    If the police have a warrant, and you do not provide your PIN, you will go to jail until you become willing to provide them access. You're safely locked up, unable to harm others. They can keep you there until you die, unless you give them the access they've legally demanded.

    That's why the whole idea that police and three-letter agencies need exceptional on-demand access to any device they choose is so ridiculous - they can already get at those phones OR lock up the phone owners permanently! Yeah, it doesn't work in the tiny edge case where the phone owner is dead... but in those cases the immediate harm has almost certainly already been done, and the police have a specific already-identified person from which they can begin any subsequent investigation, should they feel it necessary. To claim such a tiny and likely unimportant edge case somehow justifies the significant degradation of all people's personal liberty and financial security is simply absurd.

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  36. Re:DO NOT WANT by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    Sure there is. You could have options for everything. But the more options you have, the harder it is for users to find the option they want.

    In this case there's no good reason to hand the decision over to users anyway. Almost none will be interested in changing it, or even be aware that there's such a feature or what it's for.

  37. Re:DO NOT WANT by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

    You may be right, but there is nothing in the summary which remotely implies that it's reversible.

  38. Re:DO NOT WANT by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

    Set a useful default.

    Then if the user wants to change from the default, then he can, if he doesn't give a rat's ass, then he doesn't have to think about it.

    So, no, there's not really a good reason why it shouldn't be user-settable....

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  39. USB Attack? by mentil · · Score: 1

    iPhones already need to be unlocked before a new connected device will be authorized to access data from the phone, so that's not what this feature is for. Presumably, this new feature will prevent exploitation of flaws in the USB driver, which is presumably the exploit utilized by Cellebrite and/or Grayshift. The better long-term solution is to fix those flaws.
    The real issue is that the 7-day limitation makes it nearly useless. It's taking a bet that whatever attacker seized your phone won't use the unlocking device within 7 days. Sure, if there's a huge backlog of devices, or lots of red tape, then it might take more than 7 days. But chances are that if the police bust in your door, they will already have a search warrant that includes your phone, which they will probably find within 1 minute of entry. So long as they're aware of the 7 day limit, they will make sure to access it by then. Now, if the lockout was say 5 minutes, then they'd need the unlocking device on hand, and hope/check that the phone was unlocked at the time they kick in your door.

    I think a better solution would be to require authorization to enable USB data transfer whenever a device is connected that can transfer data, and this authorization persists until the device is unplugged, rather than an amount of time after the phone locks.

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  40. Re:Good job Apple! rotfl by maitai · · Score: 1

    And a safe can be opened given enough time. I just want that time to be after I'm dead.

  41. Re:DO NOT WANT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The KDE vs Gnome paradigm...

  42. Re:DO NOT WANT by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    A default doesn't take away the problem of too many options for users to find anything.

    Generally speaking, options need to be fought against. They need to justify the real estate they use. This wouldn't.

  43. Warlord of Western Arkansas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Conservatives love local law enforcement because fat cats in the sticks wish uncle sam would go away so they can graduate from county commissioner to warlord of the Western Arkansas fiefdom. That's the extent of any powerful "conservative"'s love for state and local rights. Whenever there is a challenge to local established power structures they never hesitate to call in the feds or whine to congress if the challenger is too powerful for their local goon squads.

    1. Re: Warlord of Western Arkansas by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I definitely know now that if I ever want to learn more about 'conservatives' all I will need to do is ask you, because you have it aaaalll figured out. Really, it's amazing.

    2. Re: Warlord of Western Arkansas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And liberals love big government authorities. After all, Nazis were socialist.

      Yep, and Lincoln was a Republican, so we know Republicans really care about black people. That's why Republicans championed civil rights and totally didn't fight tooth and nail against it.

      idiot...

    3. Re: Warlord of Western Arkansas by reanjr · · Score: 1

      80% of Republicans in Congress voted for the Civil Rights Act. 65% of Democrats did.

    4. Re: Warlord of Western Arkansas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering 0 Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Act, Id say you are a faggot.

    5. Re:Warlord of Western Arkansas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in California. Our liberal "fat cats" locals make your Arkansas rubes look like amateurs.

    6. Re: Warlord of Western Arkansas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check your facts, mate.

    7. Re: Warlord of Western Arkansas by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      The majority of dissenting Democrats where Southern Democrats, nearly non-existent today. There's a reason minorities feel more comfortable in the Democratic party today.

    8. Re: Warlord of Western Arkansas by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and North Korea is democratic.

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    9. Re: Warlord of Western Arkansas by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Minorities started shifting to the Democratic party during FDR and the New Deal. Race and politics is way more complicated than Southern Democrats and the Civil Rights Act. The idea that minorities vote based on racial politics and not economic self interest is - in itself - a racist idea.

    10. Re: Warlord of Western Arkansas by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Of course, single policy voters are mostly limited to anti-abortionists.
      There were actually two democratic parties in many southern states. I was simply making the point that Democratic and Republican parties of today are not the same as the parties of 50 years ago.

    11. Re: Warlord of Western Arkansas by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Sure, but it's completely disingenuous for the AC to suggest that Republicans fought against the Civil Rights Act "tooth and nail" when 80% of them voted for it.

  44. oh bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thieves and other black hats can get to your device in minutes after stealing it. It takes western law enforcement a week to get subpoenas. This protects only criminals from good governments. It does not protect you from criminals, corrupt governments, spy agencies or malicious corporations.

    Apple is blatantly advertising this as a law enforcement defeat device and consequently complicit in crimes. Worst case is pretty likely, that this will be causal to weakening due process on search warrants and consequently more phones will be searched with less oversight.

  45. Display broken? by asimo77 · · Score: 1

    What if the display is broken, so you cannot unlock it for a week?

  46. Re:DO NOT WANT by ELCouz · · Score: 1

    lock up the phone owners permanently!

    Sure like they have the time to lock-up all the suspect/innocents they encounter at the border/inland. Re-read what you wrote...doesn't make sense. They will instead THINK TWICE about confiscating an iPhone instead of randomly searching all the fucking people innocent or not if they can't crack it.

  47. One step better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope that this isn't as stupid as it sounds. seven days? Why to ANY programmers know what their customers want? Seven days? Why not three days? I hope that this will be user definable by the user as I would want my phone set to one day. Most people would probably want one to two days as they use their phone daily. Skip a day of usage would mean that they probably lost their phone or had it stolen by the KGB, Stassi, FBI, or whatever they call themselves.

  48. apple already has the key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Let's not lie, now. Apple has signing keys and can put any software they want on the phone. The key already exists. The relevant questions are who else has them. We know the Chinese do; iPhone sales are allowed in China. We assume that no black hats have them, as we trust that they're dumb enough to blab. We know Apple has them. We assume that western governments don't, as they keep asking others to crack iPhones.

    1. Re: apple already has the key by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Maybe the western governments can ask China for help. China is pretty earnest about cracking down on criminal activities and terrorism, you know.

    2. Re: apple already has the key by Pyramid · · Score: 1

      It's pretty good at cracking down on its own people too. Monitoring them, limiting their freedom of speech,rating them according to social media status, making them disappear...

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  49. Re:DO NOT WANT by ewibble · · Score: 1

    I actually don't get why this is not instantaneous, in order for you to connect via USB data the phone should be unlocked. The phone disconnect data until the USB is unplugged.

    I think android even asks if you want to connect data, so you have unlock to confirm. This is a sight hassle and I have been caught out as to why I can't connect data, but makes sense from a security standpoint.

    I don't have a iphone, so I could be missing something.

  50. Re: DO NOT WANT by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Apple customers need very simple choices. I learned that when I bought a Mac Plus. (The sound the disk drive made while ejecting was kinda cute)

  51. Re:DO NOT WANT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd rather personally give my PIN to any law enforcement officer who cared to ask for it than have this feature implemented.

    In the US and most other countries, we already have laws to compel you to give up your PIN if the police have a good reason (aka "probable cause") to believe you've been involved in - or are planning to be involved in - criminal activity.

    If the police have a warrant, and you do not provide your PIN, you will go to jail until you become willing to provide them access. You're safely locked up, unable to harm others. They can keep you there until you die, unless you give them the access they've legally demanded.

    That's why the whole idea that police and three-letter agencies need exceptional on-demand access to any device they choose is so ridiculous - they can already get at those phones OR lock up the phone owners permanently! Yeah, it doesn't work in the tiny edge case where the phone owner is dead... but in those cases the immediate harm has almost certainly already been done, and the police have a specific already-identified person from which they can begin any subsequent investigation, should they feel it necessary. To claim such a tiny and likely unimportant edge case somehow justifies the significant degradation of all people's personal liberty and financial security is simply absurd.

    What world do you live in? There is no such law on the books.

  52. Re: DO NOT WANT by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    It applies to all users.
    Apple computers and software just tend to be better designed.
    The tendency with Windows and Linux is for programmers not to ever rhink and make decisions. They offload all decisions to users, and end up with baroque software that is difficult to use.

  53. Re:DO NOT WANT by fafalone · · Score: 1

    That nightmare of a 5th Amendment trashing precedent where the penalty for forgetting a password is an effective life sentence is thankfully not settled yet. Different courts have ruled different ways. That it's an overt violation of the 5th, namely using the contents of your mind to aid in your prosecution, is clear, but alas so many courts are willing to flat out ignore the Bill of Rights wherever law enforcement wants. It won't be settled until SCOTUS takes it up.

  54. Re:A week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe the port can be useful in resurrecting a semi-bricked device?

  55. Oh God.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here ya go...

    https://xkcd.com/538/

    Also, 7 days might as well be an eternity if they really want your data.

  56. go further by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The second you plug into something doing other than charging, require the passcode on the phone immediately. Maybe have an option to "trust" known devices like your own computer.

  57. Juicy bits on the phone by DrYak · · Score: 1

    The problem, is that the phone has tons of juicy bits that you have to leave on the phone.

      - The credentials used by that app that you bank forces you to install as a 2factor.
      - The database of received messages where any new incoming SMS will show up, if your bank still uses that as a 2factor
      - Some direct payment app that you need because it's used a lot around where you live
    (also around where I live, the app is using a common standard and each bank is providing a compatible app. You actually do NOT need to rely on a 3rd party like VISA or Mastercard, which might be an interesting argument by people who insist in using it).
      - tons of personnal information which part of a normal functioning phone (contacts database) that you need to have around if you don't want to memorize and type every single phone number, but that could become handy for ID theft and/or social engineering.

    etc.

    In short people who don't use their smartphone a glorified keypad-dumb-phone/gaming console tend to have tons of bits of information that sound really tasty to any attacker that would want to access them.
    (And as lots of other /.ers and even professional cryptographers have shown : there's no way to open an access only for the law-enforcement while at the same time locking out all the potential criminals).

    So you need a way to lock your data safely on the phone to prevent abuse.
    That's why, a lot of people have a strong desire to keep their phone locked even if they have "nothing to hide".
    (Because they have tons of legal infromation that they genuinely need "to hide" against potential attacker. And be damned the (comparatively fewer) cases where it blocks law enforcement).

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  58. Contact list ; SIM card by DrYak · · Score: 1

    the only thing on it is contact list

    Which by itself might be of interest for some attacker who would use this information (and combine it with others) to start-up a process of ID theft or social engineering.

    Also you might have had to register your phone number as a 2FA or fall-back on some websites that still rely on such an insecure solution for 2FA.
    So quickly steeling/borrowing your phone to impersonate you on such a website might be another motivation.

    You're not as juicy as a target as dumb people who'll keep their passwords in an un-encrypted "Note", but you might still interest a few.

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    1. Re:Contact list ; SIM card by avandesande · · Score: 1

      I think my risk is approaching zero at this point especially when someone can more easily go on FB where people show off their toys and friends to get much more useful information. Definitely not worth the bother of a password.

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  59. Re:Too bad...too many attempts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or set it to disable the port on too many unsuccessful attempts to unlock, regardless of the amount of time.

  60. Government is the mafia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only consistent position is to recognize that government is the largest mafia racket on Earth. You pay taxes for "protection," but you don't get a choice of whether to buy this "service" or not, and there is no one to protect you from the "protectors."

  61. The History of the Left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First of all, the term "liberal" 300 years ago meant a supporter of personal and economic liberty; it has NOTHING to do with "the left." Today, people who identify with this tradition are known as "classical liberals" or "libertarians," and it has NO RELATION to the left, progressives, or Democrats.

    The left/progressive movement as an ideology comes from Rousseau and the French Revolution, building on Machiavelli and Hobbes, and is founded on principles of state supremacy, centralized power, secular state religion, and the abolition of competing institutions. This later gave rise to Marx, Lenin, the USSR, Red China, North Korea, the modern Democratic Party, and the neoconservatives (who are Trotskyites).

  62. What a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Obama wanted to end the Drug War, he could have done it in five minutes by ordering the DOJ to stop enforcing the drug laws and pardoning everyone convicted of a drug crime.

    Your ability to make up excuses for he authoritarians in your own party is amazing.

    1. Re:What a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama: stop enforcing drug laws
      DOJ: no.

  63. interesting scenario by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm all for this, but had a situation a few years ago where my daughter forgot the passcode to the iPad for several days. We gave it time in hopes of her remembering it. Then we contacted Apple and eventually we fixed it by backing up the iPad to a computer via the lightening cable, then resetting/erasing the iPad and then restoring the backup.

    With the new rules, we may have lost the data on the iPad, which to be fair, was basically MineCraft worlds.

  64. Every single time by TraumaFox · · Score: 1

    I can't remember the last time I actually connected my iPhone via USB for anything. I'd much prefer it demand an unlock every single time it gets plugged in for data.

  65. The Political Compass by gcobb · · Score: 1

    Left/Right is an orthogonal axis from Authoritarian/Libertarian (with the latter meant in its true sense, not the US right-wing political faction of that name).

    There are plenty of authoritarians in the Left and the Right. Here in the UK it includes both May and Blair. Fortunately there are also libertarians in both Left and Right including most of the LibDems and the Greens.

    https://www.politicalcompass.o... has a good description of this.

  66. iOS 11.4 by adleysmith · · Score: 1

    I really don't agree with you. I bought a used Used iPhones 7 and using iOS 11.4 on it but i didn't see any problem like that.