I can't remember, but is there no Linux support in KAME? I've patched a quite a few FreeBSD and NetBSD machines with the KAME stuff and they work fine. They come with new utilities (telnet, ftp, etc) that are transparent and accept both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses, as well as looking for A and AAAA records.
What was wrong with OpenGL, which Apple has implemented under MacOS 8/9? Why couldn't Microsoft used those as a base instead of pushing a totally new and incompatible API, DirectX/3D?
Free clue-pon: 56K has not been a "standard" for a couple years now. The V.90 standard is fairly new, and not all RAS vendors even implement it the same way. Quite honestly, 56K over analog phone lines is a bad hack at best. It's best to put your money into a technology that isn't straining a medium that wasn't even designed for it like xDSL or some sort of wireless connection.
Now there is a well-seasoned and logical argument. Pull your head out of your ass. Apple really didn't have much choice in this; most likely this course was the lesser of two evils. Are some people so pathetic and wrapped up in Apple-loathing that they use any excuse to bash?
Now there is a well-seasoned and logical argument. Pull your head out of your ass. Apple really didn't have much choice in this; most likely this course was the lesser of two evils. Are some people so pathetic and wrapped up in Apple-loathing that they use any excuse to bash?
Where does it say that IBM will be ditching AIX? I seriously doubt they would throw away all those years and megadollars that they've spent on their premiere operating system.
You know, there are other non-MS operating systems out there other than Linux. I have a perfectly stable and usable browser available on the platforms I use at home and work. For BeOS, I have NetPositive and Opera; for FreeBSD, I have Netscape and lynx. And yes, the Netscape for FreeBSD just runs *fine*.
Wow. Nice work, backing up your kneejerk response with hard factual evidence. Or maybe that got cut off.. At any rate, I see the opposite. A typical BSD user isn't a fanatical zealot. They just use their OS in peace because they believe they have the best solution for their problem, period. Why do so many Linux users have a hard time with his?
Your logic is faulty. Programming is not a zero-sum game; you don't "steal" developers from one project. I know very few developers that are truely 100% caught up in one platform. Those that are are cutting themselves off at the knee by being so centralized.
Grow up. The whole "Slowaris" thing was funny the first several thousand times I saw it, but honestly, give it up. Solaris operates just fine on the U5/10/60 boxes; I run Solaris 7 on my U10 at my desk with 128MB of RAM and it works quite well, thank you very much. I would recommend a Symbios controller though (glm driver) for SCSI peripherals.
OpenBSD also takes some of the userland enhancements from FreeBSD and includes them in their package. To some, it means that you get the best of both worlds (NetBSD and FreeBSD).
Ah, moderation abuse at it's finest. Did some Linux advocate get angry at the fact that somebody actually *likes* an OS other than *insert random Linux distribution*.
I would be curious to see a transcript or some paper of Linus making an absolute fool of himself by saying this. The Linux threading model is not terribly clean, and there are still way too many huge locks in the current kernels. Solaris thread granularity leaves Linux's in the dust; Linux had kernel threading retrofitted instead of woven into the OS like Solaris or even BeOS.
Typical disgusting Linux "hacker" mentality. Quick, steal the code, stuff it in our product and ditch the rest! What a great plan! Sounds awfully similiar to what rabid Linux drones have been whining companies might do to BSD licensed code for years. Stop the hypocracy.
Linux runs more hardware than Solaris? Really.. Linux doesn't run on most of my Sun Enterprise boxes, so I'd say Solaris has more hardware support than Linux. Heck, it can even boot on anything other than sun4, sun4c (barely) and sun4m. In my book, that makes it pretty useless. Oh, you were talking about 80x86-based hardware? The world doesn't revolve around Intel. Some of us choose to run our services on serious server iron instead of tinker-toy hardware hobbled by 1970's technology.
Keep your anti-BSD FUD off here, thanks. Nobody's heard of BSD? Tell that to Yahoo, Walnut Creek, Microsoft, and thousands upon thousands of other websites and ISPs around the world. *eye roll*
Please, I'm tired of hearing this oft-used tripe from rabid Linux advocates. Not all large companies are like Microsoft; heaven forbid a *public* company try to make a profit to please their shareholders! Give me one bit of evidence that Sun is at all like Microsoft. Good luck finding something to backup this tired old excuse.
Pure, unadulterated FUD. What evidence do you have that Sun is "leveraging" their position in the OS market to further themselves? Heaven forbid they act like a profitable company and please their stockholders by making money.
Really? NT doesn't have the industry support in terms of hardware and software on the SPARC platform, so it's garbage. Your "argument" makes zero sense.
Don't fool yourself; most self-proclaimed Linux "hackers" rarely even look at source code. Most type "configure;make" and that's it. Price is a strong motivator, probably more so than open source. To be perfectly honest, most people out there couldn't give a damn.
Wow.. it's mildly entertaining to see somebody so highly regarded be so uninformed. The various BSD-based operating systems have no need to "unsplinter" because the all have different goals to achieve. I'm sure if EGCS and GCC had seperate goals that they would still be seperate entities. Get you facts straight before you spout uninspiring nonsense, please.
Would you Linux cheerleaders get over Wabi? SunSoft discontinued Wabi ACROSS THE BOARD (not just a stab at Linux) because it was outdated can could only run Win16 applications. When most applications drifted into the Win32 arena, Wabi was irrelevant. Case closed, stop whining.
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I can't remember, but is there no Linux support in KAME? I've patched a quite a few FreeBSD and NetBSD machines with the KAME stuff and they work fine. They come with new utilities (telnet, ftp, etc) that are transparent and accept both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses, as well as looking for A and AAAA records.
What was wrong with OpenGL, which Apple has implemented under MacOS 8/9? Why couldn't Microsoft used those as a base instead of pushing a totally new and incompatible API, DirectX/3D?
So? The GPL is not, nor should it be, the baseline for open source licensing.
Free clue-pon: 56K has not been a "standard" for a couple years now. The V.90 standard is fairly new, and not all RAS vendors even implement it the same way. Quite honestly, 56K over analog phone lines is a bad hack at best. It's best to put your money into a technology that isn't straining a medium that wasn't even designed for it like xDSL or some sort of wireless connection.
Now there is a well-seasoned and logical argument. Pull your head out of your ass. Apple really didn't have much choice in this; most likely this course was the lesser of two evils. Are some people so pathetic and wrapped up in Apple-loathing that they use any excuse to bash?
Now there is a well-seasoned and logical argument. Pull your head out of your ass. Apple really didn't have much choice in this; most likely this course was the lesser of two evils. Are some people so pathetic and wrapped up in Apple-loathing that they use any excuse to bash?
Where does it say that IBM will be ditching AIX? I seriously doubt they would throw away all those years and megadollars that they've spent on their premiere operating system.
You know, there are other non-MS operating systems out there other than Linux. I have a perfectly stable and usable browser available on the platforms I use at home and work. For BeOS, I have NetPositive and Opera; for FreeBSD, I have Netscape and lynx. And yes, the Netscape for FreeBSD just runs *fine*.
Wow. Nice work, backing up your kneejerk response with hard factual evidence. Or maybe that got cut off.. At any rate, I see the opposite. A typical BSD user isn't a fanatical zealot. They just use their OS in peace because they believe they have the best solution for their problem, period. Why do so many Linux users have a hard time with his?
Your logic is faulty. Programming is not a zero-sum game; you don't "steal" developers from one project. I know very few developers that are truely 100% caught up in one platform. Those that are are cutting themselves off at the knee by being so centralized.
Grow up. The whole "Slowaris" thing was funny the first several thousand times I saw it, but honestly, give it up. Solaris operates just fine on the U5/10/60 boxes; I run Solaris 7 on my U10 at my desk with 128MB of RAM and it works quite well, thank you very much. I would recommend a Symbios controller though (glm driver) for SCSI peripherals.
The same authority that gives them the right to dictate other country's internal policies.. pure arrogance.
OpenBSD also takes some of the userland enhancements from FreeBSD and includes them in their package. To some, it means that you get the best of both worlds (NetBSD and FreeBSD).
Ah, moderation abuse at it's finest. Did some Linux advocate get angry at the fact that somebody actually *likes* an OS other than *insert random Linux distribution*.
I would be curious to see a transcript or some paper of Linus making an absolute fool of himself by saying this. The Linux threading model is not terribly clean, and there are still way too many huge locks in the current kernels. Solaris thread granularity leaves Linux's in the dust; Linux had kernel threading retrofitted instead of woven into the OS like Solaris or even BeOS.
Typical disgusting Linux "hacker" mentality. Quick, steal the code, stuff it in our product and ditch the rest! What a great plan! Sounds awfully similiar to what rabid Linux drones have been whining companies might do to BSD licensed code for years. Stop the hypocracy.
Linux runs more hardware than Solaris? Really.. Linux doesn't run on most of my Sun Enterprise boxes, so I'd say Solaris has more hardware support than Linux. Heck, it can even boot on anything other than sun4, sun4c (barely) and sun4m. In my book, that makes it pretty useless. Oh, you were talking about 80x86-based hardware? The world doesn't revolve around Intel. Some of us choose to run our services on serious server iron instead of tinker-toy hardware hobbled by 1970's technology.
Keep your anti-BSD FUD off here, thanks. Nobody's heard of BSD? Tell that to Yahoo, Walnut Creek, Microsoft, and thousands upon thousands of other websites and ISPs around the world. *eye roll*
Please, I'm tired of hearing this oft-used tripe from rabid Linux advocates. Not all large companies are like Microsoft; heaven forbid a *public* company try to make a profit to please their shareholders! Give me one bit of evidence that Sun is at all like Microsoft. Good luck finding something to backup this tired old excuse.
Pure, unadulterated FUD. What evidence do you have that Sun is "leveraging" their position in the OS market to further themselves? Heaven forbid they act like a profitable company and please their stockholders by making money.
Really? NT doesn't have the industry support in terms of hardware and software on the SPARC platform, so it's garbage. Your "argument" makes zero sense.
Don't fool yourself; most self-proclaimed Linux "hackers" rarely even look at source code. Most type "configure;make" and that's it. Price is a strong motivator, probably more so than open source. To be perfectly honest, most people out there couldn't give a damn.
If you're in the United States, try the US domain. Otherwise try one of the alternatively cheaper domains like CX and such.
Wow.. it's mildly entertaining to see somebody so highly regarded be so uninformed. The various BSD-based operating systems have no need to "unsplinter" because the all have different goals to achieve. I'm sure if EGCS and GCC had seperate goals that they would still be seperate entities. Get you facts straight before you spout uninspiring nonsense, please.
Would you Linux cheerleaders get over Wabi? SunSoft discontinued Wabi ACROSS THE BOARD (not just a stab at Linux) because it was outdated can could only run Win16 applications. When most applications drifted into the Win32 arena, Wabi was irrelevant. Case closed, stop whining.