I find it easy to believe considering that some of the hardware benchmarks are identical to another set of benchmarks on another site which uses its own specific test bundle...
I wouldn't put too much faith in these graphs. Just pretend you didn't see it and wait for Jobs to announce it. Subtract 71.2% from the figures he cites, and that's the real performance we're looking at with 970
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But most smaller hw sites posted here do, so I'm glad you don't. The trend for most sites though is low quality writing and benchmarking, with lots of ads (even popups, argh).
First and foremost, I have to say that I'm very much opposed to small copycat hardware sites getting free hits and advertising bucks because their submission slips through the slashdot nets. Note that the submitter is affiliated with the site:-/
Second, the comparison of a p4 with an older cpu is not a new thing, and has in fact been done very poorly here via choice of benchmarks. If you want to see a real old-->new cpu comparison, check out the all encompassing 100MHz-3.06GHz roundup at tomshardware. They've tested 65 cpus in a RANGE of systems, not just one system with an inadequate video card and two widely separated CPUs.
Just because this junior reviewer finally saved up enough allowance to upgrade to a 2.2GHz celeron from a p3 700 doesn't mean we should then finance that switch for him in ad revenue.
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...because the headline went from fixed to unfixed again:)
True, but who says you have to use it for PCBs? With a little work this could probably replace those $1000+ rigs (at least for as much as a hobbyist needs it). I could certainly go for a homebuilt CNC mill:)
You might notice the speed difference if the PCs you used were "top end" like the G4s. Heck, they would still be cheaper too. How's that sound?
The differences in interface: negligible.
The differences in speed: PC > Mac
The differences in cost: the pc's are cheaper.
"It's funny, PC "testers will just get a Mac, but have an optimized PC for tests. Out of the box PC or Mac is NOT optimized."
It's also funny that the PC version is essentially ported, unoptimized Mac software. So what if the PC is tweaked to do well...shouldn't Macs come tweaked too?
...to find a similar comparison in which a mac wins - the only requirement is that reasonable benchmarks (and a good sampling of them) are used... no "MacMark2002" benches. Seriously, I'd actually like to see one if it exists. My experience with apple products and intensive applications has not been very good. Simply not enough memory bandwidth, and not nearly enough crunching power for my tastes.
In response, I was actually wondering if anybody knows of good information centers for internship programs in general? Yes I read slashdot, yes I run linux on 2/3 boxes, but alas no, I am not a programmer nor am I a CS major. The web is such a great resource for everything that it surprises me there is so little on it with regard to internship programs. Google has failed me here.
10 with passive cooling is no problem at all - just remember that this version is very overclocked. Running at something like 100mhz over stock core speed, and with the heatsink temp at over 200f doesn't sound too good for the silicon to me. Thats well over the temp at which intel and AMD cpus go snap crackle pop, and I'd wager that the GPU is hotter than the heatsink (heatpipes work well, but usually don't have such high efficiency). Zalman explicitly states that cards with their heatpipe cooling systems should not be overclocked. In fact, the smaller version of this heatsink simply can't handle 9700's/ti4x00's, which is why thye have two models.
I've had cards run with no cooling, or passive cooling, for years and years, but none of them were near that hot. Throw in the fact that the company doesn't seem to service warranties, and you have 459 bucks down the toilet.
Not on the alpha at least...the final version is another story though, and nobody but Carmack really knows the answer to that. I would guess that playing with detail on low, at low resolution, you could get 25fps. Even 9700s and ti4600s seriously struggle with the alpha though...I'm just hoping most of that is because it hasn't been refined at all.
...they have terribleresellerratings. Also, the card ships with a nice and quiet Zalman heatpipe, which, though quiet as the fanless nature of it implies, probably cuts the life of the card to a year or so. I'm sure anything close to the heatsink is in serious danger of melting (be careful of PCI cards around it). Besides, this isn't anything you couldn't do with a retail ATI 9700 Pro which isn't very loud in the first place.
Why not just throw the rider completely clear of the scene upon sensing an incoming 80+mph object within 3 feet. Just hope there aren't any powerlines around:D Seriously though, a side-firing ejection seat might just throw you ten feet up, and over to the sidewalk or agains the side of a building. Worst case scenario, you get thrown in the path of a semi.
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I find it easy to believe considering that some of the hardware benchmarks are identical to another set of benchmarks on another site which uses its own specific test bundle... I wouldn't put too much faith in these graphs. Just pretend you didn't see it and wait for Jobs to announce it. Subtract 71.2% from the figures he cites, and that's the real performance we're looking at with 970
Hey, I wrote that, and was about to post it myself :)
thanks for doing it for me though
...AMD planted this story to use /. brainpower to think of ways to prevent violations :)
Next Intel will be posting about clock locking.
okok But most smaller hw sites posted here do, so I'm glad you don't. The trend for most sites though is low quality writing and benchmarking, with lots of ads (even popups, argh).
First and foremost, I have to say that I'm very much opposed to small copycat hardware sites getting free hits and advertising bucks because their submission slips through the slashdot nets. Note that the submitter is affiliated with the site :-/
Second, the comparison of a p4 with an older cpu is not a new thing, and has in fact been done very poorly here via choice of benchmarks. If you want to see a real old-->new cpu comparison, check out the all encompassing 100MHz-3.06GHz roundup at tomshardware. They've tested 65 cpus in a RANGE of systems, not just one system with an inadequate video card and two widely separated CPUs.
Just because this junior reviewer finally saved up enough allowance to upgrade to a 2.2GHz celeron from a p3 700 doesn't mean we should then finance that switch for him in ad revenue.
...because the headline went from fixed to unfixed again :)
True, but who says you have to use it for PCBs? With a little work this could probably replace those $1000+ rigs (at least for as much as a hobbyist needs it). I could certainly go for a homebuilt CNC mill :)
You might notice the speed difference if the PCs you used were "top end" like the G4s. Heck, they would still be cheaper too. How's that sound? The differences in interface: negligible. The differences in speed: PC > Mac The differences in cost: the pc's are cheaper.
"It's funny, PC "testers will just get a Mac, but have an optimized PC for tests. Out of the box PC or Mac is NOT optimized." It's also funny that the PC version is essentially ported, unoptimized Mac software. So what if the PC is tweaked to do well...shouldn't Macs come tweaked too?
...to find a similar comparison in which a mac wins - the only requirement is that reasonable benchmarks (and a good sampling of them) are used... no "MacMark2002" benches. Seriously, I'd actually like to see one if it exists. My experience with apple products and intensive applications has not been very good. Simply not enough memory bandwidth, and not nearly enough crunching power for my tastes.
In response, I was actually wondering if anybody knows of good information centers for internship programs in general? Yes I read slashdot, yes I run linux on 2/3 boxes, but alas no, I am not a programmer nor am I a CS major. The web is such a great resource for everything that it surprises me there is so little on it with regard to internship programs. Google has failed me here.
10 with passive cooling is no problem at all - just remember that this version is very overclocked. Running at something like 100mhz over stock core speed, and with the heatsink temp at over 200f doesn't sound too good for the silicon to me. Thats well over the temp at which intel and AMD cpus go snap crackle pop, and I'd wager that the GPU is hotter than the heatsink (heatpipes work well, but usually don't have such high efficiency). Zalman explicitly states that cards with their heatpipe cooling systems should not be overclocked. In fact, the smaller version of this heatsink simply can't handle 9700's/ti4x00's, which is why thye have two models. I've had cards run with no cooling, or passive cooling, for years and years, but none of them were near that hot. Throw in the fact that the company doesn't seem to service warranties, and you have 459 bucks down the toilet.
Not on the alpha at least...the final version is another story though, and nobody but Carmack really knows the answer to that. I would guess that playing with detail on low, at low resolution, you could get 25fps. Even 9700s and ti4600s seriously struggle with the alpha though...I'm just hoping most of that is because it hasn't been refined at all.
...they have terrible resellerratings. Also, the card ships with a nice and quiet Zalman heatpipe, which, though quiet as the fanless nature of it implies, probably cuts the life of the card to a year or so. I'm sure anything close to the heatsink is in serious danger of melting (be careful of PCI cards around it). Besides, this isn't anything you couldn't do with a retail ATI 9700 Pro which isn't very loud in the first place.
Why not just throw the rider completely clear of the scene upon sensing an incoming 80+mph object within 3 feet. Just hope there aren't any powerlines around :D
Seriously though, a side-firing ejection seat might just throw you ten feet up, and over to the sidewalk or agains the side of a building. Worst case scenario, you get thrown in the path of a semi.