It's a shanda that there are like 170 comments on the board and there's not a single mench on here with the nachas to wish our Linux a Mazel Tov on his Bar Miztvah! So I'll be the first - remember, Linux, today you are a Man! (Oy vey I'm getting all shmaltzy.) Now don't get all meshuga about it, but sooner or later it'll be time for us to set you up with a shidduch! Don't worry, I'll keep you away from all the shiksas.
Now, lech bshalom and byom habah byerushalayim!
Absolutely not. I am a high school senior. My scholastic abilities are primary literary. I'm nothing special in math, but in English, especially essay-writing and creative writing, I really shine. (I'm modest, too.) I've written entire papers without punctuation that received A's. I've written papers constructed entirely of fragments that received A's as well. In fact, almost every paper I write has either a run-on sentence, a dangling participle, or a sentence fragment. And I've only gotten one or two B's in English ever. Real writers - the kind that we want to encourage - play with grammar, punctuation, even spelling. Their constructs are wierd. Their arguments don't always appear logically linked and aren't always guided by transition statements. That's the way it is. Teaching conformity is for Soviet Russia. Never should we encourage people to treat writing as a mindless exercise that follows a formula or a set of rules. We may as well have robotic art critics. Screw the machines. I hope every student exposed to them submits a bastardized wikipedia article that fools the formula and takes them 5 minutes to write, and then goes and spends a few hours working on their own, more worthwhile projects, because that's all this system encourages.
Sorry, I disagree.
I'm not sure what geographical coordinates you define as "Palestine"? Unless the entire area that was formerly under British control is termed Palestine, in which case we're ignoring the establishment of the State of Israel?
Or are you implying that parts of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon etc are actually Palestine? (These were the countries, among others, from which Israel gained territory after the wars in the 70s.)
Although I defer to the two posts above regarding your statements, I am curious: Have you come into contact with any Israeli textbooks, and could you point out individual books or chronic areas of misinformation in them?
I'm not ostracizing, although I realize that sentence does sound sarcastic; I'd really like examples. I'm always looking for information that helps me see things more readily from both sides.
Also, to the poster from Israel, how left-wing were the Israeli textbooks before the recent change? Do you know the names of any popular textbooks, either in circulation now or the ones they took out of circulation?
Thanks!
I have a question regarding the state of education in Egypt. Wish I had asked it of Alaa before he answered all these questions, oh well, maybe he'll scan the threads...
I have a relative at HU in Jerusalem who helped with a study a few years ago of the public education in Palestinian schools in Arab villages in Israel, and they found that there was a huge campaign of disinformation. Students spent time learning mostly political propaganda that was anti-Israel and anti-US instead of time learning math and languages. Text books were generally published by Arab companies that supported the propaganda campaign and typically were full of factual errors. They even learned off of maps that showed local geography as the Palestinian Authority wanted it to be rather than it actually was! (Often students were told that they were living in "Palestine" rather than Israel, and "Israel" was not mentioned on the map or in the classroom as far as the Arabic-speaking researchers could discern.)
I wanted to know if this type of situation is also widespread in Egypt. I realize that Egypt is in a much different socio-economic situation than Palestinian Arabs living in Israel are right now, has more money, a more legitimate government and are a bit further removed from the daily violence and hatred that is evident on both sides in Israel. But when he talks about corruption in the education system, does anything there approach this?
Also, at the risk of sounding like a tree-hugging hippy, do they teach hatred either at the mosque or at the public schools in Egypt?
Thanks to any Egyptian locals (or any other Arab country locals) or even Alaa if he reads this for any info you can provide.
I really enjoyed reading this, and representing a Jewish American nerd with a strong interest in Israel, I think it's interesting to talk to Arab nerds about political and technical issues. Anyone who fits that bill is welcome to contact me.
I'm just curious as to the ability of Linux to provide a favorable view of Western society to your Egyptian Linux installbase
Hell, it doesn't even give me a favorable view of Western society, and I live here.
You seem to overlook the money the U.S. gives to the P.A., which when looked at in terms of population of Israeli citizens and population of people identifying themselves as "Palestinian", is a good deal more than what we're giving to Israel.
Not to mentiont that while the P.A. receives money from the U.N. and other international agencies, on top of the money they receive from the U.S., Israel receives only from the U.S.
Not to mention that the P.A. openly funds a terrorist wing (the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade) and has close ties to the P.L.O., another self-proclaimed terrorist group.
Not to mention the P.A. has a clause in it's constitution stating that it's mission is to "drive the Jews to the sea," something not mirrored by the Israelis.
Not to mention that we're not actually giving any of it to Israel. Virtually all money marked "defense" that comes from the U.S. comes with the caveat that it must be spent in the U.S., mostly on American army surplus but occasionally (and under careful scrutiny) to U.S. contracting companies.
So virtually all of that money, except that going to hospitals and butter et al, is coming right back to us.
No kidding, Mitnick is so lame. I also used to be very involved in the scene, juuri maybe u remember me, i had many pseudonyms: j4x the h4x... PhorkPhreak... MaZTer of DizAsTeR... zeroCool... once BackDoorThreat, but that was only once...
I remember back in the day, there was no such thing as shadowed passwd files and almost every other machine's root password was "sex" or "secret." I was the first one to figure out that there was this little issue in sendmail having to do with a buffer overflow that would give ya root on the machine... I only told my very best friends on the very most elite of all BBSes....
Why, once I hacked into the IRS using only a 36 baud modem, a laptop, and my ass. No kidding - let's see Mitnick type using his butt cheeks. That guy's such a poser.
Juuri we should get together sometime for beers and reminisce about the good ol' days when well.com was leet and Mitnick hadn't already ruined all of our fun.
Those are some of the crappiest ideas I've ever heard.
Let' see.... unlimited music for a nominal fee that is built into what I would ALREADY be paying to the university (the article, which no one seems to have read, stated that the cost of using Napster is already covered by a technology fee, and "A University spokesman said he did not think the fee would be raised as a result of this arrangement") or.... Shall I be the benefactor of some deal where the music is cheaper? Or a music club on campus, where I'm force-fed big label advertising and (barf) "the more music i buy, the more money the club could use for things like concerts".
Not a tough decision for me. Yes, the RIAA sucks - but u dont have to make it suck any more than it already does. I, for one, would be happy with this deal.
And please don't bitch about how your paying for a service you're not going to use. Anyone who goes to University is putting a certain portion of their Room and Board money into mass-producing that horrible viscuous green jell-o that they love to serve up in great mountains of nastiness, and I don't think ANY of us are using that service.
I'm truly disgusted by some of the things people have said on this board. (See Alpha Nerd - "STFU STUPID JEW" and other various supporters of anti-semitism).
Perhaps you and I disagree on the definition of the word "terrorist".
Israel's policy of supporting religious settlers in Palestinian territory could be construed as extremist. = Building houses (even if it is on land that another ethnic group with more than dubious legal clame purports to own) is terrorism? As in a violent act against innocent civilians? (If this is what you meant, and I can hardly see how you could have meant otherwise, I find it disgusting that you would compare that to attacks that maim and kill both Arab and Israeli citizens.)
Israel's policy against Palestine? What, per your definition, is Palestine? Because last time I checked a map of the world, there was no such thing.
Hostile acts on foreign soil is terrorism? I consider it war. Terrorism, again, per my definition, targets civillians, whereas the strike in Lebanon was on self-proclaimed militant soldiers of radical Islam. These men (i.e. the men that were killed in the terrorist training camps) would be offended if you were to indicate that they were anything other than soldiers.
I do not agree with everything Israel does. But I'm not sure what I would do differently if I were in control. At Oslo, Israel tried to give Arafat everything that he had asked for, and Arafat walked out. Land for peace will not work - it is a tangible for an intangible. Once the Palestinians have Israeli land, Israel cannot take it back. Palestinians, on the other hand, can easily take back pledges of peace, and once the damage is done it's done.
And yes, I support a two-state solution.
I'm off to rest up for my SATs tomorrow. Wish me luck, and may the gods of moderation mod us down for our blatant OTness.
You do of course realize that the Mossad is a branch of Israeli intelligence, not a religious extremist terrorist group, right?
If the joke was in reference to covert technology, and you were actually thinking about the Mossad when you posted, then I apologize (and don't think the joke is quite as funny.)
However, if you were intending to reference "Hezbolah" or "Islaamic Jihaad" etc., I wanted to make sure that you were aware of the discrepancy.
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Funny thing, I got a degree business administration, and we used to say the same thing.
Except that we placed ourselves at the top of that list.
Did anyone else read this story and wonder about the liklihood of Robert (or Peter or whatever) Norton reading that posting?
If you ask me...
It's a shanda that there are like 170 comments on the board and there's not a single mench on here with the nachas to wish our Linux a Mazel Tov on his Bar Miztvah! So I'll be the first - remember, Linux, today you are a Man! (Oy vey I'm getting all shmaltzy.) Now don't get all meshuga about it, but sooner or later it'll be time for us to set you up with a shidduch! Don't worry, I'll keep you away from all the shiksas.
Now, lech bshalom and byom habah byerushalayim!
(Eh? Eh? Any other Jewish geeks?)
Yet the "help" menu lists it as version 0.2a.
Strange.
Haha. I dig.
No.
Nu-uh.
Absolutely not.
I am a high school senior. My scholastic abilities are primary literary. I'm nothing special in math, but in English, especially essay-writing and creative writing, I really shine. (I'm modest, too.) I've written entire papers without punctuation that received A's. I've written papers constructed entirely of fragments that received A's as well. In fact, almost every paper I write has either a run-on sentence, a dangling participle, or a sentence fragment. And I've only gotten one or two B's in English ever.
Real writers - the kind that we want to encourage - play with grammar, punctuation, even spelling. Their constructs are wierd. Their arguments don't always appear logically linked and aren't always guided by transition statements. That's the way it is.
Teaching conformity is for Soviet Russia. Never should we encourage people to treat writing as a mindless exercise that follows a formula or a set of rules. We may as well have robotic art critics.
Screw the machines. I hope every student exposed to them submits a bastardized wikipedia article that fools the formula and takes them 5 minutes to write, and then goes and spends a few hours working on their own, more worthwhile projects, because that's all this system encourages.
If I had the points, and hadn't already contributed, I'd mod that up.
Thanks for the info!
Sorry, I should have been more explicit. I was describing elementary-school (first-fifth grade equivalent) text books.
Sorry, I disagree. I'm not sure what geographical coordinates you define as "Palestine"? Unless the entire area that was formerly under British control is termed Palestine, in which case we're ignoring the establishment of the State of Israel? Or are you implying that parts of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon etc are actually Palestine? (These were the countries, among others, from which Israel gained territory after the wars in the 70s.)
Although I defer to the two posts above regarding your statements, I am curious: Have you come into contact with any Israeli textbooks, and could you point out individual books or chronic areas of misinformation in them? I'm not ostracizing, although I realize that sentence does sound sarcastic; I'd really like examples. I'm always looking for information that helps me see things more readily from both sides. Also, to the poster from Israel, how left-wing were the Israeli textbooks before the recent change? Do you know the names of any popular textbooks, either in circulation now or the ones they took out of circulation? Thanks!
I have a question regarding the state of education in Egypt. Wish I had asked it of Alaa before he answered all these questions, oh well, maybe he'll scan the threads...
I have a relative at HU in Jerusalem who helped with a study a few years ago of the public education in Palestinian schools in Arab villages in Israel, and they found that there was a huge campaign of disinformation. Students spent time learning mostly political propaganda that was anti-Israel and anti-US instead of time learning math and languages. Text books were generally published by Arab companies that supported the propaganda campaign and typically were full of factual errors. They even learned off of maps that showed local geography as the Palestinian Authority wanted it to be rather than it actually was! (Often students were told that they were living in "Palestine" rather than Israel, and "Israel" was not mentioned on the map or in the classroom as far as the Arabic-speaking researchers could discern.)
I wanted to know if this type of situation is also widespread in Egypt. I realize that Egypt is in a much different socio-economic situation than Palestinian Arabs living in Israel are right now, has more money, a more legitimate government and are a bit further removed from the daily violence and hatred that is evident on both sides in Israel. But when he talks about corruption in the education system, does anything there approach this?
Also, at the risk of sounding like a tree-hugging hippy, do they teach hatred either at the mosque or at the public schools in Egypt?
Thanks to any Egyptian locals (or any other Arab country locals) or even Alaa if he reads this for any info you can provide.
I really enjoyed reading this, and representing a Jewish American nerd with a strong interest in Israel, I think it's interesting to talk to Arab nerds about political and technical issues. Anyone who fits that bill is welcome to contact me.
I'm just curious as to the ability of Linux to provide a favorable view of Western society to your Egyptian Linux installbase
Hell, it doesn't even give me a favorable view of Western society, and I live here.
For all the econ majors out there. What exactly does Google have to tell us now that it's an IPO?
Ok, its not an interesting question, Im just hoping for first post.
I for one would pay for such a connection, even if it wasn't free And I for one would pay for such a connection, even if it was free.
Most experts in junk e-mail, known as spam, have dismissed the new federal law as largely ineffectual.
Two sentences later:
"Of course I'm worried about it," he said after the law was signed. "You would have to be stupid to try to violate this law."
He wouldn't dare violate this law, but he was able to overlook the other ones about financial fraud, computer fraud, identity theft, etc.
Jesus H. Christ. There's more than one. Are they multiplying?
Jesus H. Christ. It's not even worth it.
Interesting.
You seem to overlook the money the U.S. gives to the P.A., which when looked at in terms of population of Israeli citizens and population of people identifying themselves as "Palestinian", is a good deal more than what we're giving to Israel.
Not to mentiont that while the P.A. receives money from the U.N. and other international agencies, on top of the money they receive from the U.S., Israel receives only from the U.S.
Not to mention that the P.A. openly funds a terrorist wing (the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade) and has close ties to the P.L.O., another self-proclaimed terrorist group.
Not to mention the P.A. has a clause in it's constitution stating that it's mission is to "drive the Jews to the sea," something not mirrored by the Israelis.
Not to mention that we're not actually giving any of it to Israel. Virtually all money marked "defense" that comes from the U.S. comes with the caveat that it must be spent in the U.S., mostly on American army surplus but occasionally (and under careful scrutiny) to U.S. contracting companies.
So virtually all of that money, except that going to hospitals and butter et al, is coming right back to us.
No kidding, Mitnick is so lame. I also used to be very involved in the scene, juuri maybe u remember me, i had many pseudonyms: j4x the h4x... PhorkPhreak ... MaZTer of DizAsTeR ... zeroCool ... once BackDoorThreat, but that was only once...
I remember back in the day, there was no such thing as shadowed passwd files and almost every other machine's root password was "sex" or "secret." I was the first one to figure out that there was this little issue in sendmail having to do with a buffer overflow that would give ya root on the machine... I only told my very best friends on the very most elite of all BBSes....
Why, once I hacked into the IRS using only a 36 baud modem, a laptop, and my ass. No kidding - let's see Mitnick type using his butt cheeks. That guy's such a poser.
Juuri we should get together sometime for beers and reminisce about the good ol' days when well.com was leet and Mitnick hadn't already ruined all of our fun.
Watching from downtown Denver, but i guess we missed it? That bites a big one.
Didnt know there were so many CO slashdotters - we should all get together.
Cuz im sure we're all really really cool people. Slashdot readers are always cool. No losers here. Nu-uh.
For sure. Open source software licensing, music sharing for free - fricking communists! They should all be locked up.
Anyone ever seen "Born Yesterday"? Great line from that movie that applies here:
"I want EVERYONE to be smart. A world full of
ignorance is too dangerous to live in."
I hate stupid people.
Those are some of the crappiest ideas I've ever heard.
Let' see.... unlimited music for a nominal fee that is built into what I would ALREADY be paying to the university (the article, which no one seems to have read, stated that the cost of using Napster is already covered by a technology fee, and "A University spokesman said he did not think the fee would be raised as a result of this arrangement")
or....
Shall I be the benefactor of some deal where the music is cheaper? Or a music club on campus, where I'm force-fed big label advertising and (barf) "the more music i buy, the more money the club could use for things like concerts".
Not a tough decision for me. Yes, the RIAA sucks - but u dont have to make it suck any more than it already does. I, for one, would be happy with this deal.
And please don't bitch about how your paying for a service you're not going to use. Anyone who goes to University is putting a certain portion of their Room and Board money into mass-producing that horrible viscuous green jell-o that they love to serve up in great mountains of nastiness, and I don't think ANY of us are using that service.
I'm truly disgusted by some of the things people have said on this board. (See Alpha Nerd - "STFU STUPID JEW" and other various supporters of anti-semitism).
But that was some funny shit. =)
Perhaps you and I disagree on the definition of the word "terrorist".
Israel's policy of supporting religious settlers in Palestinian territory could be construed as extremist. = Building houses (even if it is on land that another ethnic group with more than dubious legal clame purports to own) is terrorism? As in a violent act against innocent civilians? (If this is what you meant, and I can hardly see how you could have meant otherwise, I find it disgusting that you would compare that to attacks that maim and kill both Arab and Israeli citizens.)
Israel's policy against Palestine? What, per your definition, is Palestine? Because last time I checked a map of the world, there was no such thing.
Hostile acts on foreign soil is terrorism? I consider it war. Terrorism, again, per my definition, targets civillians, whereas the strike in Lebanon was on self-proclaimed militant soldiers of radical Islam. These men (i.e. the men that were killed in the terrorist training camps) would be offended if you were to indicate that they were anything other than soldiers.
I do not agree with everything Israel does. But I'm not sure what I would do differently if I were in control. At Oslo, Israel tried to give Arafat everything that he had asked for, and Arafat walked out. Land for peace will not work - it is a tangible for an intangible. Once the Palestinians have Israeli land, Israel cannot take it back. Palestinians, on the other hand, can easily take back pledges of peace, and once the damage is done it's done.
And yes, I support a two-state solution.
I'm off to rest up for my SATs tomorrow. Wish me luck, and may the gods of moderation mod us down for our blatant OTness.
You do of course realize that the Mossad is a branch of Israeli intelligence, not a religious extremist terrorist group, right?
If the joke was in reference to covert technology, and you were actually thinking about the Mossad when you posted, then I apologize (and don't think the joke is quite as funny.)
However, if you were intending to reference "Hezbolah" or "Islaamic Jihaad" etc., I wanted to make sure that you were aware of the discrepancy.
Thanks.