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Mozilla Releases Mozilla Sunbird 0.2
Gentu writes "Along with the new Mozilla-Japan initiative and the release of Mozilla 1.8a3 today, the Mozilla team released the first 'official' beta release of Mozilla Sunbird, version 0.2, a stand-alone calendaring application (similar to Apple's iCal). There are two flavors of this project, one that works as a ~700 KB plugin to Firefox/Thunderbird/Mozilla (titled Mozilla Calendar) and the ~8 MB stand-alone calendaring application, Mozilla Sunbird (rate the apps over at GnomeFiles.org). These builds are the first to feature a new default theme, a new logo and the customizable toolbar functionality. Note that Sunbird is still an experimental technology preview that contain bugs, but it is pretty stable."
I don't get it.
Do they intend to totally confuse everyone?
For fun, calculate how much DDT would be lethal for you!
Mozilla + Apple - slowly bringing down Microsofts reign, one step at a time. Great news.
Business Voyeur
I've been waiting for this forever. I really just needed somehting in Thunderbird that would allow me to have a calendar. I wonder how well it integrates, like if it lets you send around appointments. /off to test it.
oh, and I also have a desktop calendar app, and I would like them to be able to communicate through vCal or iCal standards, or whatever. I think Sunbird can do this, it just wasn't too pretty in the past.
Thunder ... Fire ... Sun .. all hot, loud, destructive things. I guess there's no cuddly hippie people at Mozilla.
When is the first name change scheduled?
Humor from a Genetically Molested Mind
As far as I know anyways. I'd love to use them, if they're as good as Firefox is, but I need Outlook for my PocketPC.
It's just the XUL toolkit. You already have it installed if you have firefox or thunderbird. So, really, I don't see your point. You're going to have that 8 meg around somewhere.
Anyways, it's 8 meg. What's the problem with that? It's freakin tiny!
Its not done till I can install it in a way that won't screw up my system later on down the track.
Mozilla makes great software, but never finishes it - that's for the distro packagers to do. If Dag and the Debian guy (and whoever else for whatever other distro) could hook up with the Moz people, you'd have a much better experience.
Sunbird X.X is released!
* Windows users can download an installer from here.
* Fedora users can add the following lines to their sources file, and 'up2date sunbird' to always get the latest Sunbird releases.
* Debian users can add the following lines to their sources file, and 'apt-get sunbird' to always get the latest Sunbird releases.
I'm confused. If the plugin is ~700K, and the Firefox installer for Windows is ~4.6M, then how in the hell can the standalone Sunbird be ~8M, more over 3 megabytes more than the browser and plugin combined?
Does anybody know if converting "free" products over to non-English languages is worth it? Several of my clients have asked if they should pay to translate their subject-based ad-carrying websites over to different languages?
Does Japan spend more money on internet stuff than China, for example?
Davak
That whole mozilla suite project just seems to be generating a lot of really good software... There's firegoat, thunderbird, mozilla, alotofotherthingsidontknowaboutfox, and mozilla.
:0 Thanks for all the great work!
I mean wow, those are some productive developers... Kudos.
(though I keep on worrying that they'll slip out a kernel one of these days just to complete the operating environment... kernelzilla? mozillOS? Thunderbarf?)
Just kidding
Blearf. Blearf, I say.
I'm long looking for a Open-Source Calendar application that can re-use 6 years Palm Desktop history of addresses, events and notes. I hope they soon get the import facility for Palm Desktop files, as well as connectivity to PocketPC, Zaurus etc...
I'm *STILL* hacked off about the fact that while all the other builds and platforms got cool cars, the mac users got stuck with a sawed-off station wagon.
;)
Alas, at least we have since gotten a native build of firefox.
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
Okay... in another thread (the one about mozilla) some operah zealot was saying something or other about XUL being unimportant in response to a very aggressive message from myself which chalked it it up as a good reason why mozilla is quite better than opera as a piece of software.
So here is an example of a XUL app that can be built with pure XML and javascript, and delivered by the web.
Yes. This technology will replace most of the application-oriented web because html is just not well suited to do this.
So again, when most of the web is accessible by either xul or xaml, what will opera fans do?
Use mozilla, naturaly. Or use windows... obviously.
NO SIG
Most of these mozilla applications will never be taken seriously with these ridiculous names.
The names need to be somewhat related, descriptive, or have an explanation.
This isn't a car. It's a calendar application.
The logos are adorable.
I'd be pleased if they bothered to make to-dos which respawn actually do so after you've checked one off as completed.
You want to know who isn't running Firefox 2.x? They spell it "definately" and "rediculous".
From their web site:
This is great news, and should help to promote both applications.
Sync your Palm.
Plug it into a modern Mac
Sync again
Voila!
"You might as well get your son a ticket to hell as give him a five string banjo." -unknown minister
Now I have a browser (Firefox), email client (Thunderbird), and calendar!
I can now get rid of kontact entirely!!!
Thanks ppl. The important bug I was logging in bugzilla got lost in process due to slashdot effect. Oh the humanity !
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... We'll have a mature browser, a mature email client, and a maturing calendar app. The moz.org folks rock! Thanks again.
Tried IRC.mozilla.org to see if anyone knew why...
Next place I checked was
Ah ha! Surprise! NOT !
Sunbird 0.2
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A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
- Birdfire
- Sunfried
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- Sunblurred
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This will go a loooong way to convincing people to switch from silly and confusing Microsoft products! Er...Just in time for back to school purposes like classes, activities, etc. YAY!
Gotta love the astroturfing from OSNews (Eugenia?).
/. to post their version of articles (thus providing free advertising)
/. was paid for it. Then it's an Ad. So... which is it? Surely /. is not mixing advertisements with editorial content?
/. sold out big time. Ads are one thing. Editorial changes and comment spam? Thats another thing entirely.
I called them on this last year too. Gentu = Posted by OSNews. So frequently, I wonder if it's paid. Do a search for artices containing Gentu. Actually, I did it for you. Every few days, there is an article linking to OSNews (or a sub site such as gnomefiles.org, or nmcx.com) submitted by Gentu. Either they are gaming the system, or they are paying
In this case, they added a link to gnomefiles.org to the article (which has no value to the story) and it still got posted without editing. I mean.. "rate the apps at gnomefiles.org"? Why not freshmeat.net? Why not just post your thoughts here? It is out of place, unless
To add insult to injury, they post this anonymous astroturf to the comments. "I visit daily to get my dosage of GNOME apps" ? Seriously - if you are going to spam comments, at least try to hide the fact that you are advertising. Marketing drones learned not to be so obvious years ago. Catch up.
I mean.. damn. It's so ridiculous.
I've been using the Mozilla Calendar for the last few days (strangely conincidental one might think) and I'm definately liking it. I'm using it for tracking a lot of business activities, so it's especially nice how it issues email notices and allows you to repeat things even "once a year".
.mbx/mailbox files and move to something like what Sylpheed uses (1 file per email).
While there's nothing spectacular about the calendar tool it does do the job and so far it has been running without issue the last 5 days without requiring a restart.
I'm further delighted about this because it means I don't have to walk down the path of Evolution just to get a calendar. One last thing though - when (if ever) will Mozilla mail change away from using
PLD.
Sunbird could very well be one of the more important open source projects out there! At least, important for the corporate adoption of Linux. While Linux remains awesome in the server/development arena (after all, it's all I use to write code at work), it still lacks in the "Management" desktop area. Before I get lots of flames about this one, I know about openoffice.org but still, if you look at the dominiance and reliance on Outlook in the corporate environment, you will see why Linux needs a good, integrate calendar application. ;) ).
One CEO even mentioned this to me. He loves Linux from what he has been shown/played with but finds it hard to lose the integrated calendar feature of Outlook. For him, that's what is holding back the adoption of Linux. Believe it or not, he hates the quality of Outlook. The only reason he is tied to it is because it is the only viable solution with the proper features.
The more we look at what our targeted users are using, the better off we will be. This is what Microsoft often does well. They look at who makes the decision to deploy their product, like any good company does, and tailor their product around that user.
I simply cannot believe that we, as an open source community, have not yet duplicated the todo/email/calendar application that managers so love (with good reason too, their jobs often involve quite a few meetings/action items/communications).
Hopefully this will fill the void of an integrated calendar/scheduling application (though there could be something already out there... I just don't know about it
How long before they make Mozilla compatible with Microsoft's MAPI? I'd love to replace Outlook with Mozilla....
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Are you one of those who thinks Thunderbird is a browser, too, or are you just a troll? /. blurb...
I'd guess either troll, or illiterate. Not like it had the words "calendaring application" right in the
My blog. Good stuff (when I remember to update it). Read it.
If, like me, you need to use a proxy server in Sunbird, but found that it doesn't allow you to set one up, you have two choices:
Use the thunderbird/firefox calendar plugin instead
OR
Copy the network.proxy parts of your thunderbird/firefox prefs.js file into your sunbird prefs.js file.
Mozilla Sunbird is a Calendar - not a browser.
And no, I don't have a sense of humour.
When I first read the article name I thought Mozilla had once again changed Firefox's name.
I'm not sure that this would help. It doesn't have the same level of integration as outlook at all, and the single most important thing about outlook is really exchange - the central server thingy that makes group calendaring work.
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But wait! what's that over there, in the forested depths of germany?! It's KDE 3.3 Kolab! Marvel! (and slap forehead in horror at stupid "K" theme name).
http://kolab.org/images/shot-kde-client-calendar1
I'm very anxious to see how Mozilla does in Japan. I was working at a software company there for a while, and we made some stuff that would work fine in netscape and opera, but glitched in IE, and my coworker basically told me that MS dominated 99% of the market in Japan, and there there basically were no competitors either in the OS or the Web market.
Mozilla Gojira OS or perhaps Mozilla MegarOS.
Ford Thunderbird
Pontiac Firebird
Pontiac Sunbird
The Sunbird was an even crappier car than the Firebird. Think Cavalier+nasty plastic decorations.
Sunbird is a CALENDER system, not a browser. But you can download it as a plugin to the browser, which works really well :) It puts a Calender option under Tools. Very slick if you ask me.
Space for rent, inquire within
(though there could be something already out there... I just don't know about it ;) ).
Ximian Evolution is the Managerial, Outlook-esque product for Linux that you seem to be missing.
I don't particulary enjoy all-in-one products like Mozilla. If I wanted to browse the web, I launched Firefox. If I wanted to read my mail I used Thunderbird. If I wanted to view my calendar I... was forced to open one of the other programs even if I didn't want to check my mail or browse the web and use the calendar add in.
Aethera and Outlook also forced me to do this. But now, perhaps I can have the calendar app open without having it reminding me every 15 minutes that I wasn't connected to the internet.
Once again, I thank the mozilla group.
Cheers,
Adolfo
PS. Now, If I could just convince the Opera team to unbundle their chat and mail apps from their browser...
"...a stand-alone calendaring application..."
:-P
Some people, like me for example, don't bother to read TFA.
Some people, like the parent for example, don't bother to read TF sumary.
Is this the begining of a new trend?
Cheers
Adolfo
They really like 70s and 80s cars, don't they?
sulli
RTFJ.
... is a way to host contacts on a webDAV server with a browsable interface akin to outlook. The one thing keeping me from every deploying Exchange again is the ability to keep contacts server-side with a built in ACL for sharing them. If only contacts could be stored with IMAP...
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That was funny exactly 7400 posts ago.
Ximian Evolution is the Managerial, Outlook-esque product for Linux that you seem to be missing.
The thing is, if you tie it in with exchange you're still locked into MS, and if you don't, there's simply nothing on the server end that provides the same kinf of functionality.
If it really WAS a good cheaper outlook alternative, lots more people would be switching to it than are.
"Release the Sunbird"
Yeah, it's a not well known, but if anyone gets this it'll be worth it.
PBC*(!
free ipod and free gmail!
Note that Sunbird is still an experimental technology preview that contain bugs, but it is pretty stable
... cycle continues. I can't even kill it due to the fast PID changes.
WTF? It doesn't even startup on my XP SP1 fresh install. Crashes, restarts, crashes
I think the UK tabloid newspaper, The Sun might object to borrowing the "Sun Bird", especially when it reaches version 0.3 ;)
Well what can you expect when the entire project is apparently named after a giant, fire breathing lizard?
Intarweb folk history has it that the word Mozilla is a contraction of Mosaic-Killer (with a nod to Godzilla, of course).
Vino, gyno, and techno -Bruce Sterling
but for now i'll stick with my kontact suite. Native API's are just so much faster.
Good work though.
*sigh*
my religion lies somewhere between buddhism and super monkey ball - pamphlet?
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Slightly OT: We have a standard mail format, standard calendar format... is there a standard phonebook/contact list format?
On topic, good job to the Sunbird team... While I have to live in a multi-OS world, it's nice to have both windows and linux versions of these apps, makes syncing a realistic thing.
"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
Open-Xchange is due to be open sourced this month..
Ximian Evolution syncs with your Palm Calendar, Todo and Contacts. The Gnome desktop includes a panel applet that enables syncing your Palm Memos and doing backups of your Palm. The moral to the story? Use a Gnome desktop with Evolution installed (quick and easy under Debian).
There's NOTHING on the mozilla sites about this being a .2 release. In fact, on the download page for sunbird it specifically states, "At the moment Sunbird is in an experimental, though quite stable stage. We offer no release builds at the moment, only builds intended for testing and development purposes."
.2 tagged directory, it's just a pull from the nightly/latest directory.
There's no
No kidding.
Mathematics is made of 50 percent formulas, 50 percent proofs, and 50 percent imagination.
NVU is released for Linux and OSX. There should be a Windows version too.
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We've still got a few more revisions before we get to see the real name.
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
If you want minimize to tray functionality for Sunbird/Calendar in windows, so you can have it running all the time for alarms, try
Suntray
http://users.dart.net.au/~srgeorg/
Try going to the JavaScript Console (under Tools menu) and running the script It's a complete hack of course, but it did open up the right page for me - you can edit the prefs there using a GUI interface.
(Of course, you'd need to know the right prefs to modify - which probably still means looking at the Firefox side. At least you won't need to look for your profile this way.)
Man... how hard is it to write an installer? I had the last release of Sunbird installed. Installing the new one over it completely hosed it up, so I uninstalled them both, and installed the new one...all my events are now gone. How do they expect to keep users?
Nah... I believe that's gonna be the eventual name for the Mozilla Suite.
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My company uses Netscape Calendar for scheduling at work. Any idea when Sunbird will support the Netscape calendaring protocol so I can ditch Netscape Calendar, which isn't all that stable or usable.
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Pretty shiny logos, from what I can see of them. They're about half-resolution and not loading any further. Darn you /.! =b
The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
I'm still looking for a simple, straightforward solution to sharing calendar, address and todo data. Basically, I want a shared version of the Palm Desktop application.
I looked at phprojekt, phpgroupware, opengroupware and others, but for some reason, all of these are feature monsters that also include a webmail client, timetables and other things not needed, and all of them sport horrible UIs.
Anything people can recommend?
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You can do the same with KDE/Kontact as well.
... is much better because it nicely fits into the KDE environment and is reliably running in the background to watch your schedule.
It also supports storing the calendar file on an IMAP account and up/downloading to an URL.
KDE is constantly improving and it is now much better than the MS Windows desktop: upon logout, it saves your whole KDE desktop settings including your browser windows (reload the URLs upen next login) and it even remembers the position where have have stopped editing a text file!
The only thing I'm missing: the text editor does not support global bookmarks.
Does anybody know what relationship (if any) Mozilla Japan has with Mozilla-gumi? Especically seeing how the latter has a translation of the mozilla.org home page...
I assume mozilla.org knows of mozilla.gr.jp as I've seen bugs in bugzilla.m.o that referenced bugs on bugzilla.m.g.j.
Hierarchal task list. I really think that this is a superior way of keeping track of tasks with multiple steps.
Agenda-At-Once is the only calendar program that I've seen so far with this. Undoubtedly there are others, but I think at this stage they should ALL have that feature.
I read in some of the comments about running the calandar from a server and what I want is a shared calandar amongst friends/family. Maybe something in the calandar where things are listed as private/public. Private being my own dates of note, and the public being friends who have been given access to the calandar and can say put a reminder for someone's birthday or what have you. Or even an option where you can specify events for specific people in the group list vs it just being able to everyone. Is this possible?
I first tried to install it and picked custom and chose developers tools as it was an option. This failed. So I manually had to quit the installer.
I then reinstalled and chose standard.
Now when I launch Sunbird with or without extensions it pegs my cpu and never starts up. The old version worked.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Nvu is for OS X, too (OK, so you COULD build from source, but I don't see a binary)? I don't see that on the Nvu download page... I do see a link to download via Linspire CnR, download a tarball compiled on Linspire, download a Fedora Core 2 tarball, download a Windows installer, or build from source. OK, so you COULD build from source, but I don't see a binary.
FWIW, the Nvu web management stuff didn't work at all when I tried it (granted, it was the Windows version, and it was all the way back at 0.17).
I'll be in hog heaven if it will sync to my pda and transfer data from blotus notes. The first wound having been self inflicted (an EM500 what's hardware I love and software I hate) and the second wound perpetrated upon me by the world's second evil empire (my employer)
I think they need to use different animals for each program though.
O'Reilly already patented that idea.
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
See requirements here
and the tracker bug here. At the tracker bug, you can add your email to the CC, and put in a comment to let the developer's know that it is important to you!
In order for this
So, you use the Browser, Email & Calendar functions, but instead of downloading them all in one package, you like to download three, larger packages?
I've been using Sunbird for a bit over a month now (the stand-alone builds). I must say I'm quite pleased. Stability-wise, it hasn't crashed on me once nor has it had any debilitating bugs. Features wise... Well... It tells me when I need to do something in three different ways! I guess I'm just pleased with it because now I do more stuff that I mean to (I'm a chronic walk-in-a-room-and-walk-out-without-doing-what-I-w alked-in-to-doer). I'd recommend it to people that have this and similar problems.
The only difference between genius and stupidity is genius has its limits.
I wish you could sync them all with a Pocket PC. I would not have any real use for Outlook then.
Great program, but why no freaking ISO date standard (2004-08-31) ? What is this American/British crap where you can't tell if it's DD/MM/YYYY or MM/DD/YYYY? grr...
Karma: pi (Mostly due to circular reasoning in posts).
I use to love Mozilla and still do.
After putting firefox on my gf's old pentiumIII I fell in love with the new lightweight fork.
Its so snappy and fast.
Rumor has it mozilla 2.0x will be remerge from the forked firefox.
Does anyone know if its true?
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Have a look at the kde pim - pim.kde.org it's already very good as of 3.2.1.
I find the calendar klunky.
It's called EMacs.
The only thing emacs doesn't have is it's own kernel. Though I'm pretty sure it has everything else compiled right on inside of it.
sPh
I found that some people would rather install Sharepoint + Exchange (!!) on their server than load a Mozilla app on their machines. They're hooked on their Outlook.
Someone really needs to write a plugin for Outlook that can deal with iCal calendaring.
It's not Sunbird 0.2; it's a nightly build of Sunbird, labelled 0.2 alpha. Sorry to spoil the fun.
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Greg K Nicholson
this happened to me too. i'm guessing they just used the installer from firefox or something because at some other point it said something about installing the browser. all i did to fix it was go to add/remove programs and removed it. then reinstalled it and chose standard and its been working perfectly since then...
Some respawning time to kill them with.
A pedantic piece of advice to you and the Sunbird developers, "to-do" is spelled like that because the words are seperate but are meant to be together.
If you use to do then the do part can be misread and look like it belongs to another part of your sentence. For example, you can make the mistake of reading "do then" instead of "to-do then" in my sentence above.
I know this because I asked for the right spelling of to-do on Slashdot a while ago, thanks for the answer by the way.
- -- Truth addict for life.
Knowledge is valuable. Ignorance is dangerous. Censorship is unacceptable. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10
What we now need from the mozilla camp is a unified tray application for both windows and linux(kde/gnome/whatever) that keeps tabs on things.
For Sunbird, it would notify you of upcoming meetings/events, and let you open sunbird to work with that info.
For Thunderbird, a program that would monitor your mail server(ala biff) and let you know when new mail is in. Clicking on the notification would open the mail in that program.(like the current notifications, minus the large(not huge) running app)
For firefox, well, I don't know really, maybe nothing, maybe keep an eye on RSS feeds, I don't actually use any real features of firefox other then viewing websites. Maybe it could let me know when slashdot is updated based on the RSS feed and then let me view the story?
I think this would be a great app, definatly usefull, and could avoid the bloat of leaving both calendar and mail open all the time(I do that myself, but on a vnc system somewhere).
Anyway...
On Arrakis: early worm gets the bird. Magister mundi sum!
Same here and be careful!! it removed everything under Program Files when I uninstalled it.
I had webdav remote hosting working over SSL for the July 1st drop of Sunbird (although, it did require adding 4 or so lines to chrome.rdf, which I discovered searching bugzilla... see bug 249796 - http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=255903 ).
However, I have yet to get it to work on this 0.2 beta release, even with the aforementioned patch. The problem is I am never asked for a username or password, or to accept the homebrew SSL cert. It just loops indefinetly. I actually reverted to the July 1 build, because the remote hosting over SSL is essential for me.
Anyone else have any success using webdav over SSL with this release?
Spreadsheets have cells. ExCEL.
And a calendar has a cell for each time the sun rises. SUNbird.
I'm hoping someone's working on a Chatzilla-standalone...
I mean, Songbird is the only *bird name that I can think of that doesn't sound contrived. Therefore, it's a good idea!
I'd suggest Keyconfig. Though, if I recall, you can't disable the shortcut (setting a shortcut to blank screwed up the whole shortcut system last time I tried), you may remap it to a different key set.
Well of course the window has to be open. Unless you wrote a small little plugin that checks sunbird for alarms to notify you of, that's really a nonissue. I mean seriously, do you expect a closed program to give you messages? That doesn't make any sense at all.
But it's similar to those programs that check gmail for you. A small little system tray app that periodically checks gmail and notifies you of new emails. Simple. I'm sure it wouldn't be too complex to have Sunbird (I'm lovin that btw) communicate with a ~700kb program or something. Of course, IANAP.
-Dizzle
"I most likely AM so interested in myself."
Not sure if it helps, but I also voted for the bug. Also, bugzilla doesn't seem to like /. referrers, so for those of you who have the plaintext extension (or who dont mind cut/paste), here's the URL:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id= 122646
There is a great little helper application named Suntray. That lets you minimize Sunbird to your system tray (windows obviously.) Once I got I was amazed that I ever ran Suntray without it.
http://users.dart.net.au/~srgeorg/
How can I open the calendar without opening Mozilla/Firefox/Thunderbird first ?
I totally agree.
I had to set up a system for a new secretary and gave her Sunbird instead of Outlook. She was eager to give it a shot, but after a few days she told me it just didn't have the features and flexability of Outlook, which it doesn't. Maybe soon.
I would use it if it could sync with my Tungsten.
I just wish they would plan on sync before 2.0, thats the only thing keeping me from using it, and keeping me chained to outlook.
All of my computer needs are pretty much open source now, except for the bloody calander, and now that there is a decent alternative, it doesn't do me much good.
Is there any other decent calander programs out there (pref. OSS) that can sync with a PocketPC/WinCE?
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
According to the FAQ, Sunbird gets the date format from your OS. To use the ISO format, go to the Windows Start Menu, then Settings > Control Panel > Regional Options (not Date/time) > Date tab.
Vino, gyno, and techno -Bruce Sterling
So, how come the "Visit URL" button just opens up another copy of Sunbird instead of doing what it seems like it should do (visit the url in the box).
and if I only have one event in a day, why doesn't it wrap the text, so I can see what I have to do that day without mousing over it, and waiting for the tooltip to come up?
and why does it display the time first in the little box on the calendar...that's not very useful. If I can only see one thing, I'd rather see what I have to do next Monday, rather than know that there's some unkown task that I have to do at 10:00 PM...
and why is the task list font color gray?
Other than that, it's pretty cool...I'll probably continue using it, and it might even replace my monitor-covered-in-sticky-notes.
ZuluPad, the wiki notepad on crack
Files with the .ics extension are actually iCalendar (or sometimes vCalendar) files and are supposed to a spec (RFC 2445) jointly authored by representatives from Microsoft and Lotus (now IBM). Interestingly, Microsoft has done a really mediocre job of implementing parts of this spec in the past, as I found when trying to generate files that Outlook would be able to read.
Apple is also using the iCalendar format for their calendaring app, iCal (which conveniently has the same name as the standard, no confusion there). As far as I can tell, they're done a better job of it so far, as have the Sunbird people.
Why must every Mozilla app either be part of a "suite" or a "plugin" or a "standalone" app, complete with every Mozilla-specific library?
Why, for instance, do Firefox and Thunderbird each need their own Gecko? (Or don't they?)
Why is Sunbird a 700k plugin or an 8 meg (!) download?
Couldn't they install system-wide libraries? Wouldn't that make everything smaller, neater, even faster (less to cache when running firefox/thunderbird simultaniously)?
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
Time to burn a few off-topic points...
Downloaded Sunbird, looked at it and it seems to be fine and dandy for what it is. However, what I really need is a central repository (e.g. Yahoo! Calendar) that syncs with everything I use:
- Outlook (at work, because I'm forced to)
- Mozilla (at home, because I like it)
- Zaurus (in the field)
- Thunderbird (which my SO uses, and we share calendars among other things...)
- Pocket PC (which I'll probably switch to when my Zaurus eventually dies unless a viable Linux PDA emerges)
There's now zillions of free centralised calendars and address book options; which of them syncs with everything out there with *minimal expertise required*?
A minimize to tray extension is in the works that would help this problem out to a degree.
Minimize To Tray Extension
The extension works pretty well for Firefox and Thunderbird, and if/when Sunbird allows extensions, it will be extended to work with that too. This of course means Sunbird/Calendar would always be running, able to send out alarms, but not taking up lots of room on the taskbar. At the moment, the minimize to tray extension is only for Windows, and it's not a perfect fix, but it may help out some people who just want any solution for this issue.
Or as this person pointed out in this comment, there's a windows application that hides Sunbird into the tray when Sunbird's minimized.
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Getting it to connnect to an exchange callendar thingo would be nice
Ah yes, it was the perfect show for being a second grader - when your fascination with colors and dinosaurs at an apex, mix in a healthy dose of Japanese violence and you've struck gold
....
..they only need a good contacts app and I'm sold!
How could marketing NOT go for that?
1. Take strange Japanese TV
2. Mix in bad American acting
3. Advertise!
4. ???
5. Profit!
Back on topic, Megazilla sounds strangely feasible...
What "bird" would that be? AirBird? LightningBird? (it would have to interface with Thunderbird...) RainBird? (no, that's a sprinkler...) RainFox, then?
Eh - just set it on FireSomething and let it go.
So all of these programs: Safari, iTunes, iCal, etc... are all put under the "iLife" title.
When Mozilla finally releases its compontents as stand-alone applications, what will they call it?
mLife? Oh wait, n/m.
Shouldn't be too hard to do, why not make Sunbird do a 'at' command for every alarm, calling itself with some command-line option? 'at' exists on Windows as well, I think, or at least something with similar functionality. Don't know about Mac OS X :)
I am sure you can get one - I have, very fun.
Sera
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Just installed Sunbird plug-in to my mozilla 1.7.2 on XP. In Mozilla, I go to window in the menu bar and I can click on Navigator, Email, etc. There're also 'short cut keys' listed in that menu.
Navigator --------- CTRL-1
Mail & Newsgroups - CTRL-2
Composer ---------- CTRL-4
Addres Book  -- CTRL-5
Calander ---------- CTRL-8
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IRC Chat ---------- CTRL-6
Question is: what're slots 3 and 7 set aside for? What's "out there" still?
Senior NCO in the fight against entropy. I've seen things, man. Things no one should have to see.....
Ximian Evolution is the Managerial, Outlook-esque product for Linux that you seem to be missing.
:-(
Not cross-platform
Phillip.
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Please mod parent up as informative.
Perhaps I deserve to get modded down for not RTFFAQ!
When you're the only guy with a gun, you can afford to be passionate. When everyone else has one, too, you better show some patience.
Except it doesn't run on Windows or the Mac.
Time for you to learn about at and cron.
Sunbird is a brand of popcorn (yummie!) Google also reveals it being the name of a travel agency and a car rental service. Of course, Sunfox is also already in use, now what?
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I did the same and I didn't realize it would delete my calendars.
The demo of this program was able to "undelete" them from my ntfs partition.
http://www.bitmart.net/r2k.shtml
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Fireraccoon pops up a nice install window warning me not to install unsigned extensions, and an 'official' (albeit beta) extension from the Mozilla project themselves isn't signed?
And people wonder why Open Source isn't taken seriously. I've touched on this topic before, and while this isn't a security update, it would really show that the Mozilla Team were showing a little professionalism...
Mark "Karma to Burn" Hood
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Sun do, they just suck at advertising it.
m ail_calendar_collaboration.html
http://wwws.sun.com/software/product_categories/e
They also have plugins for outlook and evolution to give full functionality. The web stuff works quite well anyway, and a new integrated version of the webside for mail and calendar will be coming soon.
I've played with the calendar plug-in before, and although the previous versions worked well this certainly looks and feels somewhat better. I would gladly ditch Outlook for it, but I have the same problem as many other people: I synchronize my Outlook calendar with my Nokia 6820.
Until there is a (good, solid) way to do that with Sunbird I will not switch. I imagine lots of people with mobile phones, PDAs etc. are in the same position. I am not sure if the solution for this problem should come from the hardware manufacturers or from the OSS community.
Still, nice work!
Call me crazy if you want, but to me the next logical step would be to release some sort of virtual machine.
Sunbird, Firefox and Thunderbird run using a lot of code in common. Because of that they were originaly available in the Mozilla Application Suite.
Wouldn't it be easier, and more efective to release a common runtime environment, and then be able to release much smaller apps to run in it?
Cheers,
Adolfo
Maybe moz should automatically send a bug report to the webmaster of the site with the error? A shitload of emails saying "please fix your code in line 65-78 in file index.html" might help motivate the webmonkey to start fixing the code..
Stop the brainwash
Bah, I was all excited until I saw it's for Windows.
What about the GNOME system tray?
Damn, I just used up my last mod point or I would have given you a "funny" for that.
I downloaded and used this calendar as a Firefox plugin. It's definitely rough around the edges, but it does provide Linux and Windows users a way to create calendars in the .ics format. And it allows you to easily publish that .ics file to a web server. What's so great about that? Well, you can view multiple calendars via a web browser with this wonderful PHP, RSS Enabled, GPL calendar parser. Plus... you can dump the .ics file into the "calendars" folder on your ipod and carry your calendar with you.
Just downloaded and tried out Sunbird 0.2 as the Thunderbird plugin and it thankfully retains all the ease of use and good ideas that Calendar 0.1 had, but now seems to not be quite as buggy. At least so far. Now if only I could use Thunderbird and Sunbird as my primary apps for email and calendar/task scheduling at work, I'd be set. Alas, I am a wage slave and forced to work using minimal tools: Lotus Notes nad IE. Boo! Hissss!
What's the difference between this new Sunbird and the old Thunderfox and Firebird? Are there any real differences in CSS and DXHTML rendering to justify getting used to the new interfece? I know that probably Slashdot will look exactly the same, but there are lots of websites out there which are not W3C and ISO compliant. Does anyone have any real world experience?
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
CSS columns will be great for documents printed from html source, but I dread seeing webpages formatted for the screen using columns (all of which are about 100 pixels taller than the browser window, of course).
If you want to know more, you might read
draft of css standard for multicolumn layout
Mozilla bug for this enhancement
Eudora keeps attachments seperate.
And while it doesn't keep each message as a seperate file, it does keep the contents of each mailbox as a seperate file. At work, I have to use folders to organize mail w/Outlook (hate it)...setting up a new mailbox is relatively cumbersome (has to be a service). At home, Eudora makes it easy to use mailboxes or folders, so I just the mailboxes.
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and unrelated (ok, it's related to parent via the concept of product names), I've always wondered how Apple's iCal and Brownbear Software's iCal can coexist. I emailed BB one time about it, and they avoided going into detail beyond stating their product was not associated with Apple's. BB's was around a couple years before the Appple product.
Just odd; both are calendar products and yet no lawsuit. Maybe I'm the only person that gets confused as to which iCal people are talking about though.
Put a growable ReiserFS filesystem into a file and store the MailDirs in that if you're running under MS-Windows. The mind may well boggle at the concept of sort-of porting a filesystem to MS-Windows just to get decent file-op speed, but it would work. Growing the file in big slabs (megabytes at a time) would help to avoid fragmentation slowdown.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
How can we get this goodness in every piece of software on the planet?
When I installed the firefox extension, it imposed a background cpu load of ~30-60% on an AMD XP 3200+. Guess it isn't beta yet.
All of my computer needs are pretty much open source now, except for the bloody calander, and now that there is a decent alternative, it doesn't do me much good.
I'm in the same boat, stuck with MSOutlook because Mozilla doesn't:
- sync its calendar/task list with my Palm
- offer pop-up mail alert dialogs as a filter action
- have a way to play a sound as part of a filter action
- allow you to set a task with a due date but no time
And of course, the issue that you have to have the calendar app open in order to receive alerts...
Wolde you bothe eate your cake, and have your cake?
Without mozilla, I would not be able to develop web pages for my IE only customer on my macintosh. For that I say thanks.
Now, I can look forward to having my address, browser, calendar amd mail completely sharable across my osx and win32 machines. I could not be happier.
Now if only they can get it to work with my corporate exchange server... mmmmm....
Kudos (once again) to the Moz team (world)!
Actually, it's kind of fun when you think about it -- name all the standalones as fantastic creatures, then you can come up with other fun names for the integrated all-in-one: ... any other good ideas out there?
Mozilla Menagerie, MozillaZoo, Mozilla Manticore (as a combination of other creatures)
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."