Nope. It just needs idle periods. It doesn't matter what time of day those periods are. The router performs its own tests; it doesn't monitor or use the actual user traffic in any way, AFAIK (and I'm a participant).
Since the actual agreement leaves open the door that participants might not get to keep the router, I'll bet that jailbreaking it with other firmware before the project is complete is one of the exceptions that would have SamKnows knocking on your door wanting it back....
They won't give a crap if you jailbreak it AFTER the program is over.
The reason for that qualification isn't pejorative, it's practical: the device needs useful idle periods during which it can perform tests and report the results. If the router is constantly active 24/7 with, say, BitTorrent traffic, then the router never gets to "get a word in edgewise" and there'd be no data to report.
Simple: the router must use custom firmware that performs bandwidth tests during idle periods and reports the results. Can't do that with any old random router off the shelf.
Geez, somebody is late to the party... I've had one for months now. I still haven't figgered out what to do with my old DGL-4300 router, though.
BTW, if you read the actual agreement you will notice that it doesn't guarantee that participants will be allowed to keep the router. The text of the agreement clearly leaves open the possibility that SamKnows might repossess the routers, though it is probably impractical for them to do so (thus the extra-contractual assurances about keeping them).
What I was trying to say is that immersiveness is driven by character development and plot, not the color accuracy, numbers of pixels, or subjective dimensions. The human mind is easily able to compensate for the latter, but not for one-dimensional characters and a vapid, insipid plot.
I can easily become completely immersed in a black-and-white movie, IF the plot and characters are believable; my mind can fill in or ignore everything else. Even old-fashioned cartoons can be immersive if the story and characters are good enough. 3-D can distract from characters and plot, even aside from being a headache.
It seems to me that Big Cinema has been evolving for decades in ways that have little to do with story and characters, and more to do with gimmicks to distract from those things: from silent films to talkies, black-and-white to color, SFX to CGI... and 2-D to 3-D. Perhaps eventually movies will all be primarily gimmickry?
There was another tech spinoff from IBM some years before Lenovo's laptop business: Lexmark was formerly IBM's consumer printer division. Look how that spinoff turned out: they try to use DRM and the DMCA to hog the toner market and have one of the worst capacity-to-cost ratios for inkjet ink. I bought one Lexmark inkjet printer, and it was my last.
You say tomatoe, I say tomato... you say cloud, I say dirigible. It's a bag full o' floaty gas with some props attached; I think the dictionary already has a good enough word for that, but you go ahead and spin "cloud" for all it's worth.
Fine, so "they messed up" and the bill was repealed. Is that enough to really fix the problem? Was the problem the bill itself? No. The problem is the intent and mindset of the people who drafted, promoted, and passed the bill. Such mindsets never change, even if they admit publicly "we screwed up"; they don't actually believe they did screw up... they just got caught trying to screw you over. It's the people behind the bill that need to be repealed as well. Does repealing the bill also make them go away for good? No.
But in reading the Economist article, filters (and by extension pore diameter) were mentioned, so apparently they (Venter?) were intending to scoop up actual organisms. Is the difference that they don't care whether they're intact or distinct? Is that what characterizes an "environmental sample", where DNA of multiple species is muddied together, and likely just fragments? I know nothing of the techniques used to cull DNA from either distinct creatures or rough samples.
Miriam Webster is not your friend, nor is Google nor Wikipedia. It's ignorant dogmatic people who so quickly resort to such a tactic. You wasted no time at all. I will not indulge your bar-fight mentality any further. Take it outside. I won't be joining you.
You don't get a legitimate right to take this holier-than-thou attitude when you provide no more proof of your counterclaims than I did my own. Unless you can irrefutably disprove my statements, calling me ignorant is just so much testosterone-fueled hot air. I am aware of the cozy decades-long relationship between U.S. administrations and Saudi Arabia, but the Bush family has had a profoundly deeper one than most. That isn't merely my contention. And there was not a genuine invasion of Iraq during the Clinton presidency; yes, there were air campaigns and strikes from afar, but no boots on the ground. That only happened during the two Bush presidencies. Not what I would call a "war".
Ummm... "distroy"? Is that a Linux thing, like distro-y?
Clinton never got a war in Iraq! Iraq wars seem to be an exclusive Bush Family thing. And is it any wonder considering they're thick-as-thieves pals with Saudi princes?
I was assuming a bit more refinement of the technique, ya know, let ya trigger it from afar. Maybe drill at a slant or something? Although putting Halliburton people on the front lines for once might be a good thing for everybody (else)....
What really sank T-Mobile was the willingness of self-centered consumers to buy devices KNOWING that they were locked into a single subscriber service with it. Had consumers been more egalitarian and simply said "fuck that", Apple would have been effectively forced to abandon the lock-in and make it available for all services.
You might also say that Apple was ultimately to blame, since they manufactured the locked-in phones... and very eagerly did so.
I don't give credence to anything AVG says, since I caught its version 9.0 product red-handed denying me the ability to format any of my disk drives so long as it was installed. It maintained continually open files/folders on every drive, such that Windows would refuse to allow formatting any of them, and not just the boot drive. I uninstalled it and never looked back. The day an AV product denies me the ability to use a fundamental feature of the operating system is the day that product gets the boot.
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Nope. It just needs idle periods. It doesn't matter what time of day those periods are. The router performs its own tests; it doesn't monitor or use the actual user traffic in any way, AFAIK (and I'm a participant).
Since the actual agreement leaves open the door that participants might not get to keep the router, I'll bet that jailbreaking it with other firmware before the project is complete is one of the exceptions that would have SamKnows knocking on your door wanting it back....
They won't give a crap if you jailbreak it AFTER the program is over.
It comes pre-loaded with the necessary firmware, silly.
The reason for that qualification isn't pejorative, it's practical: the device needs useful idle periods during which it can perform tests and report the results. If the router is constantly active 24/7 with, say, BitTorrent traffic, then the router never gets to "get a word in edgewise" and there'd be no data to report.
Hey, I know somebody who knows someone whose ex-wife was once married to one of The 400, so that must make me pretty special!
Simple: the router must use custom firmware that performs bandwidth tests during idle periods and reports the results. Can't do that with any old random router off the shelf.
Geez, somebody is late to the party... I've had one for months now. I still haven't figgered out what to do with my old DGL-4300 router, though.
BTW, if you read the actual agreement you will notice that it doesn't guarantee that participants will be allowed to keep the router. The text of the agreement clearly leaves open the possibility that SamKnows might repossess the routers, though it is probably impractical for them to do so (thus the extra-contractual assurances about keeping them).
What I was trying to say is that immersiveness is driven by character development and plot, not the color accuracy, numbers of pixels, or subjective dimensions. The human mind is easily able to compensate for the latter, but not for one-dimensional characters and a vapid, insipid plot.
I can easily become completely immersed in a black-and-white movie, IF the plot and characters are believable; my mind can fill in or ignore everything else. Even old-fashioned cartoons can be immersive if the story and characters are good enough. 3-D can distract from characters and plot, even aside from being a headache.
It seems to me that Big Cinema has been evolving for decades in ways that have little to do with story and characters, and more to do with gimmicks to distract from those things: from silent films to talkies, black-and-white to color, SFX to CGI... and 2-D to 3-D. Perhaps eventually movies will all be primarily gimmickry?
There was another tech spinoff from IBM some years before Lenovo's laptop business: Lexmark was formerly IBM's consumer printer division. Look how that spinoff turned out: they try to use DRM and the DMCA to hog the toner market and have one of the worst capacity-to-cost ratios for inkjet ink. I bought one Lexmark inkjet printer, and it was my last.
I choose a Windows laptop by asking several poignant questions:
1. How does it respond to a hammer?
2. Does it smoke, do sparks fly?
3. What happens if I drop it from a ten-story window?
You say tomatoe, I say tomato... you say cloud, I say dirigible. It's a bag full o' floaty gas with some props attached; I think the dictionary already has a good enough word for that, but you go ahead and spin "cloud" for all it's worth.
Fine, so "they messed up" and the bill was repealed. Is that enough to really fix the problem? Was the problem the bill itself? No. The problem is the intent and mindset of the people who drafted, promoted, and passed the bill. Such mindsets never change, even if they admit publicly "we screwed up"; they don't actually believe they did screw up... they just got caught trying to screw you over. It's the people behind the bill that need to be repealed as well. Does repealing the bill also make them go away for good? No.
People of Utah, your work isn't done.
Thanks for that. I understand just enough of it to grasp the essential process now.
But in reading the Economist article, filters (and by extension pore diameter) were mentioned, so apparently they (Venter?) were intending to scoop up actual organisms. Is the difference that they don't care whether they're intact or distinct? Is that what characterizes an "environmental sample", where DNA of multiple species is muddied together, and likely just fragments? I know nothing of the techniques used to cull DNA from either distinct creatures or rough samples.
How exactly are they defining this term? What constitutes an "environmental sample" to a geneticist or evolutionary biologist?
Miriam Webster is not your friend, nor is Google nor Wikipedia. It's ignorant dogmatic people who so quickly resort to such a tactic. You wasted no time at all. I will not indulge your bar-fight mentality any further. Take it outside. I won't be joining you.
And by the way, congratulations on perverting a HUMOR POST into a my-penis-is-bigger-than-yours contest.
You don't get a legitimate right to take this holier-than-thou attitude when you provide no more proof of your counterclaims than I did my own. Unless you can irrefutably disprove my statements, calling me ignorant is just so much testosterone-fueled hot air. I am aware of the cozy decades-long relationship between U.S. administrations and Saudi Arabia, but the Bush family has had a profoundly deeper one than most. That isn't merely my contention. And there was not a genuine invasion of Iraq during the Clinton presidency; yes, there were air campaigns and strikes from afar, but no boots on the ground. That only happened during the two Bush presidencies. Not what I would call a "war".
Ummm... "distroy"? Is that a Linux thing, like distro-y?
Clinton never got a war in Iraq! Iraq wars seem to be an exclusive Bush Family thing.
And is it any wonder considering they're thick-as-thieves pals with Saudi princes?
I was assuming a bit more refinement of the technique, ya know, let ya trigger it from afar. Maybe drill at a slant or something? Although putting Halliburton people on the front lines for once might be a good thing for everybody (else)....
... as weapons of mass destruction? Why invade Iraq if you can just make a few volcanoes pop up where ya needs 'em?
Is that diarrhea or has Montezuma cursed you? What does diarrhea in a browser look like?
What really sank T-Mobile was the willingness of self-centered consumers to buy devices KNOWING that they were locked into a single subscriber service with it. Had consumers been more egalitarian and simply said "fuck that", Apple would have been effectively forced to abandon the lock-in and make it available for all services.
You might also say that Apple was ultimately to blame, since they manufactured the locked-in phones... and very eagerly did so.
I don't give credence to anything AVG says, since I caught its version 9.0 product red-handed denying me the ability to format any of my disk drives so long as it was installed. It maintained continually open files/folders on every drive, such that Windows would refuse to allow formatting any of them, and not just the boot drive. I uninstalled it and never looked back. The day an AV product denies me the ability to use a fundamental feature of the operating system is the day that product gets the boot.