Real Estate prices are not standardized. See: selling a tiny 900 square foot home in Berkeley and moving to Indianapolis where you can buy a 3000 square foot home with the proceeds.
There is definite fidelity difference between SBC and plugged in. When using Bluetooth in my car, the factory subwoofer may as well not be there. Plug into a USB port, and there it is.
You don't know that overcharging was the cause of the fire, and neither does anyone else that hasn't been officially involved in the investigation from the fire department, the insurance company, or Apple.
Sounds to me like Apple needs to rethink gluing the battery into the device, causing three of their technicians to puncture the cell while trying to service it.
Don't you think that a service bench that deals with lithium batteries all day long, every day, might just have a fire bucket suitable for containing a lithium fire around?
So it's happened three times (according to you, citation needed, but for the sake of argument I'll accept that) out of hundreds of stores, with hundreds of millions of devices shipped. And the iPad hasn't had a new release in over a year, which means that there's millions that have been working for a year with no problems whatsoever.
But that's all the data we have, which means no reasonable conclusions can be made. For example: in the three stores this happened in, were the idiotic glued-in batteries in the process of being removed by a service technician? Could it possibly be that using tools to try to pry a glued in soft-sided lithium cell out of a device might compromise the battery cell, causing a fire? Or that using a heat gun on a lithium battery isn't exactly the best thing to do if that battery could already be damaged and susceptible to thermal runaway?
Is Apple stupid for gluing together components that are guaranteed to need replacing at some point? You bet, and that's completely fair criticism. Gluing in the battery is just about the dumbest way they could mount it in the phone, and guarantees servicing the battery will be a huge pain in the ass, which could have been thought of a design feature inside Apple because they aren't exactly known for ease of repair and never have been outside of a few years of Power Mac G4, Power Mac G5, and Mac Pro pre-trashcan.
Is it likely that the repair procedure involves either a heat gun to soften the glue, or some kind of metal tool to pry against the adhesion? Almost assuredly - using solvents would be far more risky, and require MSDS sheet postings, etc.
Is there a defect in the product causing spontaneous fires? Not anywhere close enough information to conclude that, so stop trying to do so.
In all honesty, it wouldn't even have to be a "user replaceable" battery - just one that isn't fucking glued into the phone where you have to go through a bunch of ridiculous shit to get it out when being serviced by a "qualified" technician, whatever that qualification process happens to be.
Gluing the LiPol pack in is just idiotic and asking for problems.
They are strongly correlated to starting fires, when you're an idiot that can't be bothered to think for half a second before blurting out the first thing that comes to mind, no matter how illogical, incorrect, and ill-assumed; and then mashing the submit button.
Myself, I find that people blaming their ignorance of 30+ year old battery charging techniques that have been in use on literally every lithium battery ever in combination with "summer" as the cause of a catastrophic failure of that battery strongly correlate with shitposting and general stupidity on the Internet. I won't pretend to make a causal link though, because I just don't have the time to compile the statistics.
Speaking of jumping to conclusions, one iPad blows up in the world, and it's not exactly a new model (released in June 2017), and all of a sudden the whole god damn line is defective? After over a year, and millions sold? You're just as dumb as some Apple apologist with that kind of thinking.
Samsung recalled the Note 7 after there were several incidents within a few weeks of launch (and trying to cover those up with NDA riders on settlement payouts, btw).
Why haven't more of them conflagrated by now if there "is a problem?" Could it be that this particular one had a rare manufacturing defect that was not caught by quality control which can happen to any lithium battery from any manufacturer in any device, or had been damaged through the course of being a display unit in a store that has probably had thousands of people pawing at it over the course of it's lifetime?
I can come up with many reasons that a single unit could fail without even getting close to OMG DEFECTIVE DESIGN APPLE SUCKS FANBOYS JUMPING TO DEFENSE BLAH BLAH BLAH.
There are literally millions of lithium-ion battery devices plugged into an electric outlet all the time, and running all the time, Apple-made or otherwise. If the charging circuit isn't a massive piece of shit, it won't be charging the battery once full. Literally every single phone, tablet, and laptop does this, and has done this forever.
And what does summer have to do with it? Do you really think that Apple stores don't have any kind of HVAC system? Really?
You know it's possible to survive without dominant market share, right? How the fuck has the Mac been around for 24 years? It's never had more than a 15% market share. And yet, perfectly viable platform.
Somehow Linux survived the 10+ years when everyone was using other things too.
It's almost like you don't know what you are talking about.
What you describe is the result of the "open" office plan. Everyone is right in the middle of everyone else's shit, and you can hear everything except your own thoughts.
It's terrible. Even the call center I worked in at the beginning of my career had cubicle walls.
I'd rather not have the notch, and go for something like the Vivo Nex or the Oppo Find X. Now only if they didn't charge so damn much for them, and only in China / Southeast Asia.
Lenovo has a different name for this in China - the Lenovo Z5 - they're using the Motorola brand in North America because it's probably worth more in market awareness than "Lenovo."
Even better - if you go for the version that isn't a 100% shameless dupe of an iPhone because it has a different colored back, that color is a shameless dupe of the Huawei P20.
Good to see that Lenovo is doing good things with the Motorola brand.
Then they decided to make model after underwhelming model, with marketing schemes and network-exclusive tie-ins that made it impossible to get phones you actually wanted without a bunch of bullshit being attached, so nobody bought Motorola anymore. Thus, the mobile unit was sold to Google and stripped for parts, with the brand being sold to Lenovo so they could market shameless rip-off devices like this in North America under a brand that people don't hold their nose when they see.
It would probably help if Bluetooth audio had a universal standard codec that didn't sound like shit. But it doesn't.
Devices and headphones usually support better codecs these days, but unless you get a device AND headphones that both support the better codec, you're stuck with the lowest common denominator, which is terrible.
How about we just buy a phone that we don't have to go through all that bullshit on straight out of the box? Why is that a hard ask?
If the first thing you have to do to a brand new device in order to make it work properly is completely wipe it and install some third party software image, then it's broken from the factory, and a defective design.
Interstate exits actually are numbered by mile marker. Go over a state border on a main (1 or 2 digit interstate route) and the exit numbering resets all of a sudden, because the mile markers are measured from state borders.
This is why in cities you have exit 12A 12B 12C etc - they all exist within road mile 12.
And clearly as you are the Emperor of All the Things, what you give a shit about (or don't) is the final say in what actually happens. All hail the Emperor!
No wait, you are the Emperor of the Square Root of Jack Shit, and nobody cares what you think.
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Real Estate prices are not standardized. See: selling a tiny 900 square foot home in Berkeley and moving to Indianapolis where you can buy a 3000 square foot home with the proceeds.
AMD: your market share is going to be rising with these prices.
Holy shit. Seriously, Nvidia?
There is definite fidelity difference between SBC and plugged in. When using Bluetooth in my car, the factory subwoofer may as well not be there. Plug into a USB port, and there it is.
SBC is fucking horrible.
You don't know that overcharging was the cause of the fire, and neither does anyone else that hasn't been officially involved in the investigation from the fire department, the insurance company, or Apple.
Sounds to me like Apple needs to rethink gluing the battery into the device, causing three of their technicians to puncture the cell while trying to service it.
Because at best this guy is a hater that is trolling.
More likely, paid shill spewing FUD.
You're a god damn idiot.
Don't you think that a service bench that deals with lithium batteries all day long, every day, might just have a fire bucket suitable for containing a lithium fire around?
So it's happened three times (according to you, citation needed, but for the sake of argument I'll accept that) out of hundreds of stores, with hundreds of millions of devices shipped. And the iPad hasn't had a new release in over a year, which means that there's millions that have been working for a year with no problems whatsoever.
But that's all the data we have, which means no reasonable conclusions can be made. For example: in the three stores this happened in, were the idiotic glued-in batteries in the process of being removed by a service technician? Could it possibly be that using tools to try to pry a glued in soft-sided lithium cell out of a device might compromise the battery cell, causing a fire? Or that using a heat gun on a lithium battery isn't exactly the best thing to do if that battery could already be damaged and susceptible to thermal runaway?
Is Apple stupid for gluing together components that are guaranteed to need replacing at some point? You bet, and that's completely fair criticism. Gluing in the battery is just about the dumbest way they could mount it in the phone, and guarantees servicing the battery will be a huge pain in the ass, which could have been thought of a design feature inside Apple because they aren't exactly known for ease of repair and never have been outside of a few years of Power Mac G4, Power Mac G5, and Mac Pro pre-trashcan.
Is it likely that the repair procedure involves either a heat gun to soften the glue, or some kind of metal tool to pry against the adhesion? Almost assuredly - using solvents would be far more risky, and require MSDS sheet postings, etc.
Is there a defect in the product causing spontaneous fires? Not anywhere close enough information to conclude that, so stop trying to do so.
In all honesty, it wouldn't even have to be a "user replaceable" battery - just one that isn't fucking glued into the phone where you have to go through a bunch of ridiculous shit to get it out when being serviced by a "qualified" technician, whatever that qualification process happens to be.
Gluing the LiPol pack in is just idiotic and asking for problems.
They are strongly correlated to starting fires, when you're an idiot that can't be bothered to think for half a second before blurting out the first thing that comes to mind, no matter how illogical, incorrect, and ill-assumed; and then mashing the submit button.
Myself, I find that people blaming their ignorance of 30+ year old battery charging techniques that have been in use on literally every lithium battery ever in combination with "summer" as the cause of a catastrophic failure of that battery strongly correlate with shitposting and general stupidity on the Internet. I won't pretend to make a causal link though, because I just don't have the time to compile the statistics.
Speaking of jumping to conclusions, one iPad blows up in the world, and it's not exactly a new model (released in June 2017), and all of a sudden the whole god damn line is defective? After over a year, and millions sold? You're just as dumb as some Apple apologist with that kind of thinking.
Samsung recalled the Note 7 after there were several incidents within a few weeks of launch (and trying to cover those up with NDA riders on settlement payouts, btw).
Why haven't more of them conflagrated by now if there "is a problem?" Could it be that this particular one had a rare manufacturing defect that was not caught by quality control which can happen to any lithium battery from any manufacturer in any device, or had been damaged through the course of being a display unit in a store that has probably had thousands of people pawing at it over the course of it's lifetime?
I can come up with many reasons that a single unit could fail without even getting close to OMG DEFECTIVE DESIGN APPLE SUCKS FANBOYS JUMPING TO DEFENSE BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Actually, it's the very god damn definition of coincidence.
Correlation is not causality, no matter how much you'd like it to be.
Are you daft?
There are literally millions of lithium-ion battery devices plugged into an electric outlet all the time, and running all the time, Apple-made or otherwise. If the charging circuit isn't a massive piece of shit, it won't be charging the battery once full. Literally every single phone, tablet, and laptop does this, and has done this forever.
And what does summer have to do with it? Do you really think that Apple stores don't have any kind of HVAC system? Really?
You know it's possible to survive without dominant market share, right? How the fuck has the Mac been around for 24 years? It's never had more than a 15% market share. And yet, perfectly viable platform.
Somehow Linux survived the 10+ years when everyone was using other things too.
It's almost like you don't know what you are talking about.
And how many of those companies will be companies in 9-12 months?
Some of us want to have a career, not a list of failed startups we spent a few months at.
What you describe is the result of the "open" office plan. Everyone is right in the middle of everyone else's shit, and you can hear everything except your own thoughts.
It's terrible. Even the call center I worked in at the beginning of my career had cubicle walls.
I'd rather not have the notch, and go for something like the Vivo Nex or the Oppo Find X. Now only if they didn't charge so damn much for them, and only in China / Southeast Asia.
Lenovo has a different name for this in China - the Lenovo Z5 - they're using the Motorola brand in North America because it's probably worth more in market awareness than "Lenovo."
Even better - if you go for the version that isn't a 100% shameless dupe of an iPhone because it has a different colored back, that color is a shameless dupe of the Huawei P20.
Good to see that Lenovo is doing good things with the Motorola brand.
Then they decided to make model after underwhelming model, with marketing schemes and network-exclusive tie-ins that made it impossible to get phones you actually wanted without a bunch of bullshit being attached, so nobody bought Motorola anymore. Thus, the mobile unit was sold to Google and stripped for parts, with the brand being sold to Lenovo so they could market shameless rip-off devices like this in North America under a brand that people don't hold their nose when they see.
It would probably help if Bluetooth audio had a universal standard codec that didn't sound like shit. But it doesn't.
Devices and headphones usually support better codecs these days, but unless you get a device AND headphones that both support the better codec, you're stuck with the lowest common denominator, which is terrible.
Everything is usually less challenging the second or third time, as opposed to the first.
Not saying anything about the iPhone X is that challenging to begin with - I've never used one, or care for that matter.
How about we just buy a phone that we don't have to go through all that bullshit on straight out of the box? Why is that a hard ask?
If the first thing you have to do to a brand new device in order to make it work properly is completely wipe it and install some third party software image, then it's broken from the factory, and a defective design.
Interstate exits actually are numbered by mile marker. Go over a state border on a main (1 or 2 digit interstate route) and the exit numbering resets all of a sudden, because the mile markers are measured from state borders.
This is why in cities you have exit 12A 12B 12C etc - they all exist within road mile 12.
And clearly as you are the Emperor of All the Things, what you give a shit about (or don't) is the final say in what actually happens. All hail the Emperor!
No wait, you are the Emperor of the Square Root of Jack Shit, and nobody cares what you think.
The sign stays.