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Motorola Receives Backlash For Revealing a 'Shameless' Copy of the iPhone X as Its New Model (bbc.co.uk)

Smartphone brand Motorola has been criticised for revealing a "shameless" copy of the iPhone X as its new model. BBC: Many phone-makers have copied the look of the iPhone X, which has a smaller bezel around the screen and a "notch" at the top that houses a camera. However, reviewers said the new Motorola P30 was a "brazen" and "egregious" rip-off of Apple's flagship device. Lenovo, which owns the Motorola brand, has not yet responded to the criticism.

[...] Commenting on the similarity between the Motorola P30 and the iPhone X, technology blogger Marques Brownlee called it the "most shameless rip yet." News site Mashable said Motorola "even went so far as to adorn the screen with a wallpaper that's a dead ringer for Apple's default wallpaper." News and reviews site Technobuffalo said the design was an "egregious clone" that was "nearly impossible to distinguish" from the iPhone X. Tech news site The Verge pointed out that Google's image recognition algorithms described photos of the P30 as "iPhone."

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  1. Finally! by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 5, Funny

    An iPhone for those who want a real OS!

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    1. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I love you people who profess to be power cellphone users... because we all need a thousand dollar cellphone to post bullshit to Facebook...

    2. Re:Finally! by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do you have any idea how bloated that Facebook App is?

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    3. Re:Finally! by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      Did you know you can use FaceBook without the app?

    4. Re:Finally! by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Just pick one you can root and strip out all the crap it preinstalls. Much like a Windows PC. :) At least with an Android you can still install software outside the Play Store walled garden.

    5. Re: Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your argument is âjust root itâ(TM), then all arguments about the inflexibility or walled nature of iOS go out of the window. Just root it too.

    6. Re: Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even so called "rooted" iphones (on IOS the name is jailbroken because you got out of a jail, get it?) have a lot of limitations that android users wouldn't have the nerve to put up with.

    7. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An iPhone for those who want a real OS!

      Last I checked, Motorola wasn't selling Windows Phones.

    8. Re:Finally! by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I love you people who profess to be power cellphone users... because we all need a thousand dollar cellphone to post bullshit to Facebook...

      The article said it will cost $350.

    9. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure why this is marked funny. I honestly feel this way.

    10. Re:Finally! by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Funny

      The article said it will cost $350.

      Then how can it be a shameless copy? They missed the iPhone's primary feature.

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    11. Re:Finally! by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, of course! Using their bloated website!

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    12. Re:Finally! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      An iPhone for those who want a real OS!

      You mean a real INSECURE OS, right?

    13. Re:Finally! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Do you have any idea how bloated that Facebook App is?

      Good thing that Apple got rid of the automatic Facebook sign-ins!

    14. Re:Finally! by LordKronos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      An iPhone for those who want a real OS!

      ...and a headphone jack

    15. Re:Finally! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Enjoy your 'real' OS. I'll enjoy my mobile OS which isn't spying on me.

      Welcome back!

    16. Re:Finally! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Just pick one you can root and strip out all the crap it preinstalls. Much like a Windows PC. :)
      At least with an Android you can still install software outside the Play Store walled garden.

      You shouldn't HAVE to "strip out" ANYTHING.

      And you can install iOS Apps outside of the App Store ever since iOS 8.

      Do try to keep up.

    17. Re:Finally! by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about we just buy a phone that we don't have to go through all that bullshit on straight out of the box? Why is that a hard ask?

      If the first thing you have to do to a brand new device in order to make it work properly is completely wipe it and install some third party software image, then it's broken from the factory, and a defective design.

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    18. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the Facebook Lite app is right for you.

    19. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the first thing you have to do to a brand new device in order to make it work properly is completely wipe it and install some third party software image, then it's broken from the factory, and a defective design.

      True, but there exists no other kind of smartphone.

    20. Re:Finally! by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      They are power cellphone users.

      Now place the emphasis where you think it should be, and then consider where the emphasis would be where THEY think ti should be.

      I use my 'power cellphone' occasionally to reboot VMs, bounce mail services, reset passwords, and update WordPress sites. Does that make me a power user, or do I have a power cellphone I use? Nothing I mentioned as occasional tasks couldn't be handled with a whacked-up Raspberry Pi 'terminal' and any of several connectivity solutions, for $100-$200, depending on my comfort level.

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    21. Re:Finally! by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Try Facebook Keto for a few weeks and realize you've been lied to all these decades...

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    22. Re:Finally! by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      If your mobile OS isn't spying on you, your apps are. It's their revenue generator, and you won't avoid it without paying some other way.

      Not that paying for services and avoiding the intrusive spying wouldn't be good, but sooner or later demand for revenue growth will force them to spy again. And then offer you privacy-for-pay. And more pay. Repeat.

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    23. Re:Finally! by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Windows Phone is a stillborn piece of shit that will be forever hated for causing the untimely death of far superior MeeGo.

    24. Re:Finally! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      If your mobile OS isn't spying on you, your apps are. It's their revenue generator, and you won't avoid it without paying some other way.

      Not that paying for services and avoiding the intrusive spying wouldn't be good, but sooner or later demand for revenue growth will force them to spy again. And then offer you privacy-for-pay. And more pay. Repeat.

      If you're talking about Apple, their "revenue generator" is Device and App Sales.

    25. Re:Finally! by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      And app sales are driven by revenue, which they take a share of from the app sellers.

      It's revenue all the way down.

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    26. Re:Finally! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Did you know you can use FaceBook without the app?

      Do you even know how bloated the FaceBook web page is? Not to mention that it currently doesn't work right on anything but Chrome?

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    27. Re:Finally! by TheRealQuestor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Last I checked, Motorola wasn't selling Windows Phones.

      I really like my 30 dollar Windows Phone [lumia 640 LTE]. Still going strong and I may be a minority but I prefer Windows Phone over android or ios. the app gap was/is not an issue for me because I use my phone mainly as a phone which also has a good camera AND enough apps that cover my usage needs. I'll miss it when it does eventually die. Oh I'm sure I'll be modded down in 30 seconds flat, but it's a great phone running a good os and that is good enough for me.

    28. Re:Finally! by Jerry · · Score: 2

      No. I canceled my FB account five years ago and I prevent them from tracking me using my hosts file: ::1 www.facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 www.basic.facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 www.mtouch.facebook.com ::1 www.v6.facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 www.newsroom.fb.com
      127.0.0.1 vip-lb.wordpress.com
      127.0.0.1 www.en-gb.facebook.com ::1 www.en-gb.facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 .265.com

      Those lines actually make my web browsing much faster because FB isn't loading its spyware and ads. (Yes, I know, there are about 1,400 FB domain names, but those other ad sites aren't loaded if FB can't load them. I do the same thing for Yahoo, Twitter and Google.

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    29. Re:Finally! by lgw · · Score: 2

      The UI and hardware quality (at the price) of Windows Phone was far above its competitors. None of that matters without apps (including, critically, apps to replace the keyboard).

      Has MS made an android phone with the same hardware and UI, it would have been a contender. Sadly, easy C# on Android didn't occur to them until far too late.

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    30. Re: Finally! by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      You do not need to root it to install software outside the play store...

    31. Re:Finally! by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Do try to keep up.

      With all the changes for the sake of change, it is getting damn hard! :)

    32. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Liar.

    33. Re:Finally! by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      How about we just buy a phone that we don't have to go through all that bullshit on straight out of the box? Why is that a hard ask?

      If the first thing you have to do to a brand new device in order to make it work properly is completely wipe it and install some third party software image, then it's broken from the factory, and a defective design.

      You mean like Windows. (Google pcdecrapffier) But I do agree. Which is why I have tried to buya Linux phone. I am still trying. Bueller... Bueller...

    34. Re:Finally! by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Really? You can click on a link in a webpage and download and install an app to an iPhone without jailbreaking? Because you can with Android.

      Note: If you actually can now, I am impressed!

    35. Re: Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looool, it's cute you think Apl's not spying on you.

      They totally are, and they're doing the same thing Google does -- sell ads. They even released an ad that looks like a regular app (suggests TV shows on their own systems).

      You should read what they say a bit closer. They'll say they don't sell your information... Well nor does Google - they sell ad space and the advertisers never see your info. Find somewhere where it says they don't use your information to target you. Then find in the eula where they can share *everything* with third parties without notifying you or consenting to it.

      Go on, try. You can't.

    36. Re: Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So that's why police are able to break into them any time now. Cellbrite's still going strong. :)

    37. Re:Finally! by Aaden42 · · Score: 1

      Is that a Ras-pi, monitor, and keyboard in your pocket, or are you just happy to be doing off the clock work on the go?

    38. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you know you can use FaceBook without the app?

      Did you know that you can not use Facebook at all?

      True fact.

    39. Re:Finally! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      And app sales are driven by revenue, which they take a share of from the app sellers.

      It's revenue all the way down.

      ...and of course Apple doesn't supply any services for that "share", right?

    40. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just pick one you can root and strip out all the crap it preinstalls.

      Sorry, but that's a stupid fucking idea.

      You know the hallmark of a shitty consumer product? The suggestion that I should buy something brand new, tear it down, and then build something useful with it. If it's useless to me out of the box, I'll keep my money, and it can stay in the fucking box.

      And this is why Android is dead to me. You go ahead and accept that it's shit out of the box, I just won't buy it.

    41. Re:Finally! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Actually Facebook is the smallest app on my phone. ... Well Facebook Lite is anyway. It's actually quite impressive in that it isn't just a portal to the website yet it has all the basic functionality you need in Facebook without the stupid fuckery like stories, marketplaces, games, and shit that no one ever uses.

      Now I'm just trying to find a way to run Windows 10 IoT edition for my main desktop OS and I'll be sweet.

    42. Re:Finally! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      How about we just buy a phone that we don't have to go through all that bullshit on straight out of the box? Why is that a hard ask?

      It's not a hard ask. People just seem oblivious to the fact you can hard disable the crapware and have been able to do so for several years.

    43. Re: Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the Apple App Store. I was disappointed to see how alike the two really are when I got an Android phone. It is basically the same as with an Apple device. Both are semi open if you are willing to jump through hoops. Neither are really open by default.

    44. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask him about the ridiculous hoops you have to just through just to do it.

    45. Re: Finally! by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I wish they would implement the Windows Phone interface on Android.

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    46. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing worthwhile.

    47. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would that be a problem?
      I've been doing this ever since I had a computer of my own ( late 90s ).
      Dual booting to this day, and I'm glad I've never jumped on the virtualization wagon ( as we started to understand this year, and we understand more each following week ).

    48. Re: Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? You can click on a link in a webpage and download and install an malware to an iPhone without jailbreaking? Because you can with Android.

      Iâ(TM)ll stick with my better iPhone.

    49. Re: Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just use a standard iPhone and do something more productive with your time.

    50. Re: Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So that's why police are able to break into them any time now. Cellbrite's still going strong. :)

      Ever wondered why police never asked for a Cellbrite for Android?

    51. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use an Amstrad NC100, a modem, an acoustic coupler and a retro-style phone handset plugged on a cellphone!
      (I wish. I wonder how well 300 bauds survives VoIP, GSM calls, VoLTE. Then 1200 bauds)

    52. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same thing happens to me with Mediterranean version of Facebook.

    53. Re: Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find my N900 in a drawer this week. A tear came to my eye.

    54. Re: Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are several WP-like launchers for Android.

    55. Re:Finally! by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Seconded, I myself own a Motorola iphone.

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    56. Re:Finally! by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Thanks, that was handy.

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    57. Re:Finally! by strikethree · · Score: 1

      You should not be modded down merely because you like something that is contrary to what others think.

      I could see modding you down for lying... but maybe you have not had the same experience as the rest of us. My last, and only, Windows phone would do some wonky shit until it was rebooted. It was a VERY unpleasant experience. It is possible, however unlikely, that you may not have experienced those issues. *shrug*

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  2. Samsung all over again by Tinsoldier314 · · Score: 1

    Now we get to see stupid articles about the Apple v Motorola lawsuit for the next 5 years.. uggghhh

    1. Re:Samsung all over again by Calydor · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe SCO will sue them both.

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  3. If Motorola can do it well by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1, Insightful

    then the iPhone X was not so technically challenging.

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    1. Re:If Motorola can do it well by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Funny

      The P30 is actually much more advanced and was a much bigger challenge than the iPhone X - because it actually included the technological innovation called a 3.5mm TRRS jack for your wired headphones!

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    2. Re: If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It still has a chin. If you have a notch, and a chin, youâ(TM)ve missed the point.

      The true edge to edge display, achieved by flipping the screen under itself thus allowing the components to be tucked away under the screen, is indeed a technological feat. No other manufacturer has done it.

    3. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Motorola was a big player in the phone market long before Apple's Marketing department convinced urban youths that the iPhone is a symbol of wealth.

    4. Re:If Motorola can do it well by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Did you finally stop complaining about how the iMac didn't have a floppy disk?

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    5. Re:If Motorola can do it well by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 4, Informative

      It has a jack!! This is (for me) a big ++.

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    6. Re:If Motorola can do it well by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      And we loved the 6502 so much :`(

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    7. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The floppy disk was obsolete. Headphones are not obsolete, nor will they be.

    8. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apple is always behind the curve.

    9. Re:If Motorola can do it well by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Was is the keyword here.

      Before the iPhone, Motorola Razor was to have phone, after the iPhone the Droid was well received as well. It actually started the Thin Electronic Craze that we have today.

      Even though the Droid was a rectangle with a touch screen, it was different enough to have its own charm and style. You wern't pretending to have an iPhone if you had a Droid.

      But this latest model, is making Motorola seem like a cheap ripoff phone. Like the genuine peniphonics or Sorney.

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    10. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Wycliffe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Did you finally stop complaining about how the iMac didn't have a floppy disk?

      The floppy disk was replaced by something better, faster, cheaper, more reliable and with more storage.
      Computers stopped having floppy disk drives several years after people stopped using them.
      Same with CD drives. People started rarely using the CD drives so companies started dropping them.
      Bluetooth has been around for years but hasn't had a significant effect on the use of the 3.5 jack.
      A large percentage of people still prefer the 3.5 jack. You drop a technology AFTER people stop
      wanting it not to force people to stop using it.

    11. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Remember how the USB floppy drive was the most popular peripheral for a long ass time?

    12. Re: If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Motorola did it much better, their phone looks nicer imho. The differences are obvious to me.

    13. Re: If Motorola can do it well by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      It usually easier to improve something based on an original idea (while not everybody does it)

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    14. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      then the iPhone X was not so technically challenging.

      1. It takes a LOT less effort to copy something than to create it in the first place.

      2. Copying the look of something is not the same thing as copying the ABILITIES of something, as anyone who buys this disingenuous POS will soon find out when they start comparing it with the real thing...

    15. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Did you finally stop complaining about how the iMac didn't have a floppy disk?

      No. No he didn't.

    16. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The floppy disk was obsolete. Headphones are not obsolete, nor will they be.

      If you are old enough to remember when the original iMac came out in 1998, you should also remember that the technorati bitched loud and hard about the absence of a floppy.

      Headphones are not obsolete; just the wire between your head and the music.

    17. Re:If Motorola can do it well by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, that RAZR flip phone wasn't marketed as a fashion accessory at all...

      They also made real phones, like the v360. I could take a conference call walking down 1st Ave in NYC and the thing would automagically eliminate street noise - as far as I can tell, call quality on smart phones has never matched that phone model.

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    18. Re:If Motorola can do it well by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Everything is usually less challenging the second or third time, as opposed to the first.

      Not saying anything about the iPhone X is that challenging to begin with - I've never used one, or care for that matter.

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    19. Re:If Motorola can do it well by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It would probably help if Bluetooth audio had a universal standard codec that didn't sound like shit. But it doesn't.

      Devices and headphones usually support better codecs these days, but unless you get a device AND headphones that both support the better codec, you're stuck with the lowest common denominator, which is terrible.

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    20. Re:If Motorola can do it well by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Then they decided to make model after underwhelming model, with marketing schemes and network-exclusive tie-ins that made it impossible to get phones you actually wanted without a bunch of bullshit being attached, so nobody bought Motorola anymore. Thus, the mobile unit was sold to Google and stripped for parts, with the brand being sold to Lenovo so they could market shameless rip-off devices like this in North America under a brand that people don't hold their nose when they see.

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    21. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Did you finally stop complaining about how the iMac didn't have a floppy disk?

      The floppy disk was replaced by something better, faster, cheaper, more reliable and with more storage.
      Computers stopped having floppy disk drives several years after people stopped using them.
      Same with CD drives. People started rarely using the CD drives so companies started dropping them.
      Bluetooth has been around for years but hasn't had a significant effect on the use of the 3.5 jack.
      A large percentage of people still prefer the 3.5 jack. You drop a technology AFTER people stop
      wanting it not to force people to stop using it.

      We'd still be setting 9600,N,8,1 for our Printers and using Parallel Ports for our Scanners if we lived in YOUR world.

      Remember that Henry Ford quote about "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said 'A faster horse' "? Same thing applies.

      People want change ONLY if they feel no change.

    22. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Motorola was a big player in the phone market long before Apple's Marketing department convinced urban youths that the iPhone is a symbol of wealth.

      But THAT "Motorola" has been dead and gone about FOUR owners-ago.

      Now, it's nothing but a brand-name. Period.

    23. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      But this latest model, is making Motorola seem like a cheap ripoff phone. Like the genuine peniphonics or Sorney.

      But that just falls back into the trap that THIS "Motorola" has ANYTHING whatsoever to do with the venerable communications pioneer of yore.

    24. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Headphones are not obsolete; just the wire between your head and the music.

      No they aren't, just because some company is too lazy or incompetent to incorporate it into their 'design philosophy' does not make it obsolete.

      In an age where every wireless signal can be hacked, it is quite ironic that they are trying to abandon the 'wire'. Good headphones can last a decade, when the non replaceable battery starts to decline in three years you just throw them out? Stupid.

    25. Re: If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean that it says "motorola" on the 'chin' on the front that the iPhone doesn't have, because it's screen actually is "edge-to-edge" ?

      Or the Motorola "M" logo on the back where the Apple logo would be on the iPhone?

      Or are you talking about the "Aurora" color that is available, which is a shameless ripoff of the Huawei P20?

      Those are the differences, other than Android -vs- iOS and the price. None of them are actual differences that matter in material way.

    26. Re:If Motorola can do it well by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      The floppy disc was useless even in 1998. It held less than two megabytes of data, which even then was not much. The Internet was a "thing" even back then, and transferring files using a network connection was, in practice, more viable than having a stack of floppies and having to use an archiver to cut up files into pieces and copy them onto floppies.

      The vast, vast, majority of audio devices have a 3.5mm jack. That includes both the ones you have, and the ones you'll ultimately connect to when you're away from home. Bluetooth is not ubiquitous, and the audio quality of Bluetooth is poor. Digital wired headphones are virtually non-existent, in part because of Apple's refusal to follow standards for a wired connector, and the Android's world's current split between uUSB and USB-C, with the Android world also not standardizing on common capabilities for USB, such as simultaneous charging plus communications.

      In addition to the poor quality of Bluetooth, BT devices tend not to play nicely with one another. While I can plug my phone into my car radio to play music, and answer the phone with a bluetooth headset for actual phone calls, trying to do the same thing with both devices being bluetooth just never seems to work.

      Apple did this too early. If they had:

      1. Standardized on USB-C.
      2. Waited for others to standardize on USB-C
      3. Required pass-through capabilities on USB plugs (so making it easy to add chargers, etc)
      4. Promoted USB headsets.

      ...then, yeah, dropping the 3.5mm jack might have made sense. But they didn't. Instead they charged ahead with a half assed, unreliable, poor quality, inferior alternative to a technology that is known, reliable, standardized, and "just works". And the technology they adopted literally does not have a single advantage, not one, to end users over the one they replaced.

      You cannot seriously compare that to CDs vs floppies.

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    27. Re: If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      It usually easier to improve something based on an original idea (while not everybody does it)

      While that is true; this is CERTAINLY not an "improvement" on ANYTHING.

    28. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Headphones are not obsolete; just the wire between your head and the music.

      The wire between my head and the music means the headphones don't need recharging.
      A wireless solution can never solve that problem.

    29. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Headphones are not obsolete; just the wire between your head and the music.

      No they aren't, just because some company is too lazy or incompetent to incorporate it into their 'design philosophy' does not make it obsolete.

      In an age where every wireless signal can be hacked, it is quite ironic that they are trying to abandon the 'wire'. Good headphones can last a decade, when the non replaceable battery starts to decline in three years you just throw them out? Stupid.

      Good headphones can last a decade; but their cables rarely do.

    30. Re:If Motorola can do it well by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Wired is Tired.

      MultiMEME for your consideration.

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    31. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      And you are The Fake Fake Steve Jobs.

    32. Re: If Motorola can do it well by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      A jack makes a big difference.

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    33. Re:If Motorola can do it well by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      "just because some company is too lazy or incompetent to incorporate it into their 'design philosophy'"

      -wut? are you really that angry you're pretending it was an effort NOT to include a jack?

      "In an age where every wireless signal can be hacked"

      They can listen to my music. They already listen to my calls. They already know what I just asked Siri/Google Now/Alexa/Cortana. If they can get within about 100 feet (assuming Godly Bluetooth powers) they can read my lips. Your concern is already obsolete.

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    34. Re:If Motorola can do it well by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      "something better, faster, cheaper, more reliable and with more storage."

      We know it as the Internet. Really, I know you thought it was something else, but Sun figured it out a while ago, and FedEx felt it immediately.

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    35. Re:If Motorola can do it well by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      You're not getting 320k streaming anyways unless you ask for it, so SBC is adequate with decent headsets. But...

      aptX claims to be better, but I'm not hearing it, even with lossless source.

      aptX HD? Feh. Better, just.

      LDAC I heard in a Sony store. Impressive, but that was not in my car, the gym, or parking lot. When it's ubiquitous, I'll try to turn it on, but I don't see that coming.

      AAC? You bought an iPhone. Go splurge on decent headphones. Apple does not manufacture any.

      My own media server holds lossless (WAV and Ogg) and 320K, I choose depending on the situation. Since commercial radio seems to be 128k I need to swap out my cars radio for anything that streams, though cars are terrible audio environments and do not reward spending unless you just a thumper. I only have wired over-ear headphones right now, but I may yet spend money on my head, never know, most disappointed me.

      I knew I was in for a long haul when I realized 128k MP3s sounded worse than my MiniDisc. Arg.

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    36. Re:If Motorola can do it well by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      No, I don't. I remember how modems were the most popular peripheral. USB sticks a close second.

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    37. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      And you are The Fake Fake Steve Jobs.

      That doesn't even make sense.

    38. Re: If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      A jack makes a big difference.

      An iPhone X has a jack.

    39. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 0

      If they did it right there would be a way to store the airpods in your phone. Instead of a wire you get to keep them in a case, I guess that is what charges them? So instead of a phone with a wired headset, you get to keep track of a phone, two airpods, and a case/charger for the airpods. Haha.

      Just because you have given up like a sheep doesn't mean we all should. Then again you probably didn't even know you were playing.

    40. Re:If Motorola can do it well by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Back in 1998 Floppy disks were the standard for transferring data back and forth. Networked computers were still rare. CD Burners were new technology and being write once made them expensive to use. Other formats were not popular. An IBM Formatted Floppy could go a long way.

      USB was new then and often would mess up early OS's.

      When the iMac came out with only a CD player, pure panic came from that idea.

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    41. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you don't think the headphone jack is obsolete then you obviously have not tried airpods and current bluetooth. Both my car and home stereo have both bluetooth and a usb port. The latter for when I want higher fidelity.Unlike the 3.5 mm jack the usb port also charges it. Not having a cord to deal with is actually incredible liberating. Not only while you are using it, but almost even more so when you are taking out the head phones putting them away. The only downside to not having a 3mm jack is lack of some backwards compatibility. But there is the lightning port to 3.5 mm dongle which was free and included with the phone so that really isn't much of drawback. Especially if you have a charging pad so you can still charge it why you are using it if you need too. But since the battery on a iPhone X easily lasts more than 24hrs for most users, that rarely necessary anyway.

    42. Re:If Motorola can do it well by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Nothing about airpods nor any other usable earphone whatever can be stored within a current design phone by any manufacturer.

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    43. Re:If Motorola can do it well by samwichse · · Score: 1

      Yup. Same.

    44. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modems were included in these boxes, I thought I remembered that and wikipedia confirmed.
      I suppose you could still consider it a peripheral, but claiming that they were more popular because they were included when the point of the question was whether the market was ready to dispose the floppy is a bit strange.

      There's a case that the market will never be ready to be without something until it's gone. I'd say this kind of treatment is better than the alternative, where removing support from the OS seems to be the new block on compatibility.

    45. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice opinion piece.

    46. Re:If Motorola can do it well by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      I remember when modems came in their own boxes, and you often got the wrong cable. Then of course they got all internal, but were optional for a while before they became expected.

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    47. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      It would probably help if Bluetooth audio had a universal standard codec that didn't sound like shit. But it doesn't.

      Another huge problem with bluetooth is that it is another device to keep charged.
      Also, they cost considerably more than regular headphones for the same quality.
      Also, the pairing adds a bunch of problems from failing to pair, needed to re-pair for each new device, not being able to quickly share, etc..

      Bluetooth works ok for handsfree car units where you pair once, you don't have to worry about keeping it charged, etc... and some people like active joggers find it worth the hassle but for the average person who only occasionally needs headphones it is not worth the cost or headache.

    48. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately Motorola was bought and sold multiple times since the Droid days.
      The Droid Razr Maxx was my favorite phone.

    49. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      We'd still be setting 9600,N,8,1 for our Printers and using Parallel Ports for our Scanners if we lived in YOUR world.

      Remember that Henry Ford quote about "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said 'A faster horse' "? Same thing applies.

      People want change ONLY if they feel no change.

      Again, parallel ports were dropped AFTER people switched to usb. For several years, most computers had both usb ports and parallel ports and even serial ports.
      Bluetooth has been around for a decade but people aren't switching to it because it is more expensive, more clunky, and something else to charge.
      If you want people to switch to wireless headphones then create something that people actually want to switch to.

    50. Re: If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is a tip. stop buying apple shit. Other companies stuff will last a lot longer.

    51. Re: If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank God the apple police are here to curb any non apple thoughts.

    52. Re: If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much the same as apple. Riding along on it's name.

    53. Re: If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are such a sad piece of shit.

    54. Re: If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sure it can. We will invent wireless headphones that transmit the sound to your ears by modulating the frequency and amplitude of compression waves traveling through the air.

    55. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheRealQuestor · · Score: 1

      The problem with not having a hardware parallel port is some new and modern things still require them :( My pals new plasma cutter requires a hardware parallel port [cant' use a usb to parallel dongle] I've installed a couple laser cutters that still require them as well. Pain in the ass having to also order a PCI Express Dual Profile Parallel Adapter Card because most modern PCs not only do not have a parallel port but also don't have PCI ports.

    56. Re: If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iPhone is a piece of shit

    57. Re: If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you talking about your wired cellphone?

    58. Re:If Motorola can do it well by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We'd still be setting 9600,N,8,1 for our Printers and using Parallel Ports for our Scanners if we lived in YOUR world.

      No, if we lived in your world we'd have replaced parallel and serial ports with IrDA, rather than waiting for USB, Ethernet, and Wi-fi to come along.

      You are literally arguing for change for the sake of change, without any regard to whether something is actually an improvement or not. Do you work for Twitter perhaps?

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    59. Re: If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a headphone jack and you know it.

      Sick little fanboy.

    60. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you bringing up a plasma cutter? We're talking about headphone jacks on a consumer product.

    61. Re:If Motorola can do it well by zlives · · Score: 1

      yes typically they last 9.5 years only.

    62. Re:If Motorola can do it well by lgw · · Score: 1

      What's that? You're breaking up again. Are you on Bluetooth?

      Man, I freaking hate it when people call me using a bluetooth earpiece.

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    63. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About the charging: That can be done wirelessly. Just place your headpones on the charging mat while not in use.

    64. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a Game Boy add-on that plugged into the headphone jack on the bottom and stored (wired) earphones in it!

    65. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

      Wired earbuds always had built in storage, when you have a wire, you can wrap it around the phone, or any other device so you don't lose them.

    66. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > We'd still be setting 9600,N,8,1 for our Printers and using Parallel Ports for our Scanners
      And if they were upgraded to pipe 1GB/s would it matter?

      Stop pretending an audio pipe exists on a progressive spectrum.

      Carrying sound is a binary condition. It gets carried. End of featurelist.

      Notice that this refute doesn't even have to shit on the pipe alternatives, and goes home early.

      You may continue gargling apple, I'm only here to call you on your bullshit.

    67. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The LPT1 header is very common on motherboards though, at least retail ones. I doubt HP, Dell etc. give a crap and they use cost-reduced motherboards. Though, a decade old Dell tower makes for good used hardware (a friend got one, that's cheaper than a raspberry pi for 3x the RAM but he had to rush out and get a USB keyboard)

    68. Re:If Motorola can do it well by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      "If they did it right there would be a way to store the airpods in your phone."

      Clearly not what you meant. But even wrapping makes your phone something it is not otherwise - bulkier.

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    69. Re:If Motorola can do it well by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Make it as thin as an iPhone and we are on the same page.

      If it could be sold Apple would have.

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    70. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only. As usual the discussion quickly included the "iMac didn't have floppy" post.
      iMac were limited at first but at least had dual USB, jacks (microphone and output, I think), ethernet.

      By the way if you want to plug a plasma cutter on Mac Pro, iMac Pro or Macbookpro... You'll need a rare and expensive Thunderbolt PCIe enclosure, which costs about as much as a cheap desktop PC. For shits and giggles you can probably use a GPU enclosure to house that PCIe parallel port card.
      I don't think there's a known example of laptop or desktop with no headphone jack, save older ones with no sound hardware built-in. [*]
      Desktops even have redundancy better front and back jacks!

      [*] in which case funnily you can make your own "sound card" with a bunch of resistors on the parallel port.

    71. Re:If Motorola can do it well by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Remember that Henry Ford quote about "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said 'A faster horse' "? Same thing applies.

      Actually, a faster horse sounds awesome. And Henry Ford was a Nazi, so who gives a fuck what he thinks?

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    72. Re:If Motorola can do it well by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      The floppy disk was obsolete.

      No it wasn't. It was long in the tooth and seriously in need of replacement, but when Apple junked it they did do without a viable replacement. I remember the first gen circa 2000. Obsolete kind of implies something has replaced it but nothing had.

      USB sticks didn't exist. CD writers were expensive, CD-Rs were expensive and unreliable (due to crappy CD-ROM drives on many computers), zip disks were somwhat popular but by n means universal and the internet was not widespread.

      The only thing you could rely on everyone having was a 3.5" floppy drive. Except for hapless iMac users of course.

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    73. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      We'd still be setting 9600,N,8,1 for our Printers and using Parallel Ports for our Scanners if we lived in YOUR world.

      No, if we lived in your world we'd have replaced parallel and serial ports with IrDA, rather than waiting for USB, Ethernet, and Wi-fi to come along.

      You are literally arguing for change for the sake of change, without any regard to whether something is actually an improvement or not. Do you work for Twitter perhaps?

      You don't think USB was an improvement of RS-232 Ports for the majority of regular users?

      IrDA was shit. I did build it into one product; but it was pretty much the only thing that would have worked.

    74. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      yes typically they last 9.5 years only.

      Only if they just sit on the shelf.

    75. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      What's that? You're breaking up again. Are you on Bluetooth?

      Man, I freaking hate it when people call me using a bluetooth earpiece.

      You mean a CRAPPY Bluetooth earpiece.

      Like everything else, if you pay $10 for it, expect $10 worth of performance.

    76. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Remember that Henry Ford quote about "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said 'A faster horse' "? Same thing applies.

      Actually, a faster horse sounds awesome. And Henry Ford was a Nazi, so who gives a fuck what he thinks?

      Henry Ford was CERTAINLY an Anti-Semite and a Nazi Sympathizer; but as far as an actual Nazi, sorry, no.

      And he was also an industrial visionary; so...?

    77. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      About the charging: That can be done wirelessly. Just place your headpones on the charging mat while not in use.

      One of the big problems with Apple is they assume a single use case. For example, their calendar only has a single option of the time to alert someone of an all day event the following day excluding night shift people and anyone else with a slightly different schedule. Like most people, I don't have a charging mat and I rarely use headphones. When I do need them though, I need them. I have some in the car for my kids so they don't disturb each other. I have some next to my bed so I can occasionally listen to something after they go to bed. The pair next to my bed is shared with my ipad, my iphone, and my laptop depending on which one I am wanting to use. It would be a royal pain to keep 3 pair next to my bed as well as to try to keep headphones all charged for my kids on road trips. It's hard enough to keep phones charged. For all the singles in silicon valley, not sure they have much of a concept of shared devices, shared headphones, shared space, budget constraints, or all the other factors that go into buying decisions.

    78. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything is usually less challenging the second or third time, as opposed to the first.

      Not saying anything about the iPhone X is that challenging to begin with - I've never used one, or care for that matter.

      then why haven't we gone back to the moon with a manned mission? should be easier today, yet nasa says the technology is 20-30 in the future, and does not exist today. yet it did in 1969.

    79. Re:If Motorola can do it well by shilly · · Score: 1

      Um. You can use AirPods with multiple devices. Obviously. You can use multiple AirPods with one device. Obviously.

    80. Re:If Motorola can do it well by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Henry Ford was CERTAINLY an Anti-Semite and a Nazi Sympathizer; but as far as an actual Nazi, sorry, no.

      Here's a photo of Henry Ford being awarded the Grand Cross of the Golden Eagle by Nazi officials in 1938. He looks pretty comfortable with those guys.

      And he was also an industrial visionary; so...?

      Pro-tip: being a Nazi pretty much trumps everything else. You can love dogs and be good to your mother, but if you're also a Nazi...you're just a Nazi.

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    81. Re:If Motorola can do it well by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Good headphones can last a decade; but their cables rarely do.

      They are headphones, not a lasso. You must be using them wrong. May I suggest you buy my headphones? Firstly the headphone cable is replaceable, and secondly you'll quickly realise you can't use them as a lasso when they go flying away while you mistreat your shit.

      Mind you as an Apple fan you probably don't know what strain relief is since the fruity nutcases decided they didn't look good leading to http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/wp-...

    82. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But with apple ; pay $150 and get $10 worth of performance.

    83. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Nazis are glorious!

    84. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Nico3d3 · · Score: 1

      To be fair, removing the jack simply because it was an old technology (like the floppy disk) is a lot like removing the steering wheel on a car because it has been there on every cars since the last century. You don't remove something if it is working great and the newer alternative are weaker.

    85. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Headphones are not obsolete; just the wire between your head and the music.

      No they aren't, just because some company is too lazy or incompetent to incorporate it into their 'design philosophy' does not make it obsolete.

      In an age where every wireless signal can be hacked, it is quite ironic that they are trying to abandon the 'wire'. Good headphones can last a decade, when the non replaceable battery starts to decline in three years you just throw them out? Stupid.

      You already have to charge the phone, so it is less work/aggravation not to have to charge the headphones. I suppose you could drop them on something like a power mat at the end of the day. That might work, though I suspect they would be far easier to lose. I do agree that throwing them out seems a waste though. We need a path to recycle this stuff that is reasonable, or a way to replace the battery.

      Personally I think it comes down to this, whether you like it or not, you do not take away features people like. That is almost always a bad idea. If they stop liking the feature then sure...

    86. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      But with apple ; pay $150 and get $10 worth of performance.

      Not according to only every review I've read.

    87. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      The problem with not having a hardware parallel port is some new and modern things still require them :( My pals new plasma cutter requires a hardware parallel port [cant' use a usb to parallel dongle] I've installed a couple laser cutters that still require them as well. Pain in the ass having to also order a PCI Express Dual Profile Parallel Adapter Card because most modern PCs not only do not have a parallel port but also don't have PCI ports.

      Well, the plasma cutter company needs to hire a new embedded designer and stop using the same controller that someone designed in 1989. Maybe the planet will get lucky and the CPU/microcontroller that that ancient controller uses will go obsolete, and they'll be FORCED to design a new controller. MAYBE then, they can put in a USB port!!!

    88. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      By the way if you want to plug a plasma cutter on Mac Pro, iMac Pro or Macbookpro...

      ...or about 95% of the pre-built computers in the world produced in the past 20 years...

      Your point being?

    89. Re:If Motorola can do it well by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Five to Zero. I win.

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    90. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact CD burners were not new in 1998 but the tech was very expensive.
      I remember an advertisement for burners in the mid 90s : around the equivalent of $3000 for a 2x and a bit under $5000 for a 4x.
      And you had to add the SCSI junk to that price.
      In 2000 it was cheap enough that you could see PCs with DVD reader and CD burner.
      You had to know how to not "finalize" a CD if you wanted to burn further data on it, which was kind of unsupported for reading but worked somewhat.
      I had an old 4x CD drive which was better at reading bad CDs.

      The best solution if you were a geek/nerd was to take your hard drive with you when visiting a friend, and plugging it into the friend's computer innards. 10 gigabytes transferred in minutes. Most people did not know you could have two hard drives in a PC.
      LAN parties on 10 BaseT with hubs were good too (the games were designed for dial up and null modem, so there was tons of bandwidth for file copies)

    91. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      Back in my college days, people did still want floppy disks. Floppies were so disposable you could just give them to people without worrying if they returned them. That wasn't the case with a $30 ZIP disk. Burning CDs was an expensive PITA, Internet was too slow and was usually metered, networking was a nightmare on campus and the PCs and Macs wouldn't connect to each other, and solid state didn't even exist in a practical form.

      Floppy disks were among the first of the genuinely useful computer products that were forcibly obsoleted before its time was up. It's one thing to not ship a computer with a floppy drive built-in, it's something else to intentionally remove the connector to make sure you can't have one (unless you were willing to fork over a ridiculous $150 for the USB model, which didn't always work properly).

      Things should be left to die on their own. When companies go out of their way to kill things, it's always bad.

    92. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Circa 1999/2000 is when I got.. a null modem cable!
      It was probably a modem cable, with genre adapter and long extender cable.. And, remember DB25 serial ports?
      I first used it with a really obsolete PC (386 DX20 with a ton of RAM) that played doom 2 in low detail small window, then upgraded to 486SX 25 with 1MB ISA graphics - doom 2 low detail full window, on custom maps.
      With the first one I had to transfer at 19200 bps.

      Laptops were so rare and expensive, I never got to have a working 486 laptop. Laptop and null modem cable would have worked as a kind of Rube Goldberg solution.

    93. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you plug a $20 PCI or PCIe card inside the computer case, if it's not a tiny NUC kind of thing or an all-in-one.

    94. Re: If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I helped my iPhone jack off a horse.

    95. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      If they did it right there would be a way to store the airpods in your phone. Instead of a wire you get to keep them in a case, I guess that is what charges them? So instead of a phone with a wired headset, you get to keep track of a phone, two airpods, and a case/charger for the airpods. Haha.

      Well, if that is too mentally challenging for you, don't buy one. And keep your fingers nimble by constantly untangling your headphone cord.

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    96. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      There was a Game Boy add-on that plugged into the headphone jack on the bottom and stored (wired) earphones in it!

      Making your phone useless while you use it, because it turns off the speaker.

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    97. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Wired earbuds always had built in storage, when you have a wire, you can wrap it around the phone, or any other device so you don't lose them.

      So how exactly do you use your phone when your headphones are wrapped around it? And how do you fix the ends? And how long does it take to untangle them?

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    98. Re:If Motorola can do it well by lgw · · Score: 2

      $10 wired headphone sound perfectly fine on a call.

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    99. Re:If Motorola can do it well by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Five to Zero. I win.

      You forgot the [Nelson Voice] tag.

    100. Re: If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do I need to charge? Devices that use the 3.5mm jack don't need charging, nor will they ever suffer permanent battery failure.
      Airpod speaker sound quality is average, at best. On top of that, even the best "hd" bluetooth audio codecs still degrade the audio.
      For the same price you could have got one pair of good audiophile headphones, or two pairs of reasonable ones. That's proper audiophile, not high price pay for the brand label junk. Neither come with the kind of cabling that will break (or cannot be replaced), and the difference in sound quality would be immediately obvious to any listener.
      Still, I guess if you're already the kind of person listening to badly overcompressed lossy sound files of badly overcompressed tracks by crappy bands, then splurging on equally crappy headphones is the next logical step in a lifetime of expensive mediocrity.

    101. Re: If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, no FLAC?

    102. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only in the same way Hillary 'won' the election. Being the most popular, doesn't mean you are right.

    103. Re: If Motorola can do it well by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Not worth it to me. Ogg serves, and I would actually encode ATRAC if I could get a decent player for it

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    104. Re: If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WAV is an alright sound format in that its basic support is nearly ubiquitous, and it's great for the short sound bites it was originally designed for, and very low CPU load. It's however a terrible music storage format in that most programs do not work well with embedding metadata in WAV. Ogg/FLAC is so much better in that regard. Tags, album art, even lyrics slot right in, and everyone seems to understand it just fine. I have no idea why someone would willingly put up with a container requiring 400% more storage, let alone deal with metadata incompatibility.

    105. Re: If Motorola can do it well by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      In 1998 FLAC was useless, as in did not exist. That was my first complete rip and load. A refresh in 2002, but both FLAC and Vorbis were not well supported. Today I would probably rip WSAV for compatibility and Vorbis for lightweight use, but MP3 was still ubiquitous, and phones were not good players until wyat, 2006/2007?

      You use what works.

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    106. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The floppy disk was obsolete. Headphones are not obsolete, nor will they be.

      If you are old enough to remember when the original iMac came out in 1998, you should also remember that the technorati bitched loud and hard about the absence of a floppy.

      Headphones are not obsolete; just the wire between your head and the music.

      Clearly you will post anything to defend whatever Apple does... That scares me quite a bit!

    107. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      You 've already lost it.

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    108. Re:If Motorola can do it well by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Motorola was a big player in the phone market long before Apple's Marketing department convinced urban youths that the iPhone is a symbol of wealth.

      Yeah. And then they build a couple of really crappy phones, lost marketshare, and the remainders of the once proud phone company were bought by Lenovo for pennies. THE END.

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    109. Re:If Motorola can do it well by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      There is definite fidelity difference between SBC and plugged in. When using Bluetooth in my car, the factory subwoofer may as well not be there. Plug into a USB port, and there it is.

      SBC is fucking horrible.

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  4. Sharp Aquos was first, not iPhone X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Sharp Aquos series were the first phones with ultra thin bezels and the notch design. Essential copied, and Apple copied, no matter what you Apple fanboys say.

    And while Motorola is owned by Lenoco on paper, the P20 was designed by the American team, so that's the 3rd time around the Americans are stealing and copying.

    Like it or not, that's the truth.

    1. Re:Sharp Aquos was first, not iPhone X by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      And ergonomics will converge. All cars now have a steering wheel, a horn in the middle, wipers on a stalk on the right and turn signals on the left. And Lamborghini also makes red cars, and Ferrari is not suing. If they copied IOS, I could see it, but this is just a stupid waste of time and money.

    2. Re:Sharp Aquos was first, not iPhone X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, there are only so many ways we can manufacture a car, an airplane, or a mobile phone, and eventually all designs will converge and revolve around eachother.

      The whole "we invented everything and you steal from us" argument is first and foremost false, but also dishonest, and frankly quite stupid.

    3. Re:Sharp Aquos was first, not iPhone X by jimbo · · Score: 1

      All three notched phones (Sharp, Essential, iPhone) came out within the same year or maybe even within half a year. I think it's safe to say that since development of a new phone typically takes a year; they were all working on it at the same time, independently.

      You can't "copy it" and put out an entire new phone in a few months. So I'd credit this idea to all three, rather that waffle on about who copied who, also because it really doesn't matter anyway.

  5. well, tbf... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    motorola (aka motorola mobility) IS owned by the chinese now.. and copying products and tech, often poorly, is what they do.

  6. Trademark dispute? by jeromef · · Score: 1

    Huawei has registered "P30" for use in the European Union (at least): https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearc....

    1. Re:Trademark dispute? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Lenovo has a different name for this in China - the Lenovo Z5 - they're using the Motorola brand in North America because it's probably worth more in market awareness than "Lenovo."

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  7. They can't and didn't by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It has face unlocking - based on cameras. Cramming two cameras in the front of a phone is not very technically challenging, even less so when you consider as someone else said the device doesn't have an edge to edge screen (screen does not extend to bottom edge).

    People accuse Apple all the time of valuing style over substance. But here's a phone that did not have to have a notch, it just did it because the iPhone X made everyone think notches looked cool, ignoring the functional reasons WHY the iPhone X has a notch to begin with.

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    1. Re:They can't and didn't by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I really can’t get my head around the fact that manufacturers are copying the notch. It’s an ugly workaround, and as someone who develops apps every once in a while, it’s a really annoying exception to have to take into account.

      If you have to have a bezel-less phone, do what one Chinese did in their flagship phone: make the front facing camera pop up out of the top of the screen. This has the added benefit that you know when the thing is watching you. Of course that means no Face ID but they could have added a fingerprint scanner on the back or whatever.

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    2. Re:They can't and didn't by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Even better - if you go for the version that isn't a 100% shameless dupe of an iPhone because it has a different colored back, that color is a shameless dupe of the Huawei P20.

      Good to see that Lenovo is doing good things with the Motorola brand.

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    3. Re:They can't and didn't by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      I really can’t get my head around the fact that manufacturers are copying the notch. It’s an ugly workaround, and as someone who develops apps every once in a while, it’s a really annoying exception to have to take into account.

      If you have to have a bezel-less phone, do what one Chinese did in their flagship phone: make the front facing camera pop up out of the top of the screen. This has the added benefit that you know when the thing is watching you. Of course that means no Face ID but they could have added a fingerprint scanner on the back or whatever.

      And just how long do you think that "popup" mechanism will last in a cheapshit Chinese phone? Not to mention the HUGE water-intrusion hole that creates, no matter how much you try to seal it up...

    4. Re:They can't and didn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apple copied the Essential phone or apple could not buy out a company that could figure out under-screen fingerprint readers.

    5. Re:They can't and didn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could make it protrude permanently, like a Nokia with small fat antenna.
      Me I would take a phone with jack and notch.

    6. Re:They can't and didn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which flagship is that LOL? I think you came up with the idea in a dream.

  8. ***GASP** ALL PHONES LOOK THE SAME by plague911 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Put any phone side by side at they all look like an iphone, or a galaxy etc etc. The only surefire way to tell the difference and see whom the phone is attached to. If its attendant is a hipster whom is technologically illiterate the phone is an iphone, if its attendant is a neck-beard it is an android. Anyone else its all just shades of grey.

  9. Another Chinese-owned firm stole someone's tech by bjdevil66 · · Score: 1

    And makes a clear-cut knockoff.

    Is anyone here really that surprised? I'm surprised they didn't call it the P10 (or PX).

    1. Re:Another Chinese-owned firm stole someone's tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Motorola branded phones are made by the American team. Lenovo is just where the profits go. Also, the ultra thin bezels, and the notches, were first designed and used by the Japanese Sharp corporation in their Aquos series of phones -- a total of three cases of Americans stealing phone designs.

      Put that in your shitty American pipe and smoke it up.

  10. Major difference by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

    The major difference is that it costs $300 instead of $999. That gets people upset.

    1. Re:Major difference by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      $999? You mean a used one?

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  11. Folks do realize they're all made by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    in the same factories with more or less the same off the shelf parts (I think Apple's big enough to do their own CPUs but that's about it), right? This is like complaining your Dell laptop is a shameless rip off of an HP. It's not like the good 'ole days of the C64 and Atari 400.

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    1. Re:Folks do realize they're all made by quenda · · Score: 1

      Yep, all phones look the same now. Boring.
      I remember when Nokia alone made 20 different phones at once, ranging from square to banana shape.
      Slide-out keyboards, clamshells, circular keypads, ...

    2. Re: Folks do realize they're all made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The irony is that the C64 and the Atars were both made in the same factory (Santa's Workshop) but ended up looking so different from each other.

  12. Bad Thing? by sqorbit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is this bad thing? Do you like the look and feel of an iPhone but don't like iOS, now you have an option. They were obviously very deliberate in creating a phone they thought would attract iPhone fans. Maybe it's because it doesn't cost more since there's no Apple logo on it that people are upset. Every damn SUV out there looks the same now. No one complains when calls Kia shameless when they make their SUVs look like Lexus.

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    1. Re:Bad Thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because the only people who buy Kias don't know any better, and Lexus is just Toyota for yuppies too proud to drive Toyotas.

    2. Re:Bad Thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yuppies? If your bag phone is ringing, it's the 80s calling.

    3. Re:Bad Thing? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Why is this bad thing? Do you like the look and feel of an iPhone but don't like iOS, now you have an option. They were obviously very deliberate in creating a phone they thought would attract iPhone fans. Maybe it's because it doesn't cost more since there's no Apple logo on it that people are upset.

      Every damn SUV out there looks the same now. No one complains when calls Kia shameless when they make their SUVs look like Lexus.

      It might attract SOME iPhone fans... Until they start using it.

    4. Re:Bad Thing? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Yuppies? If your bag phone is ringing, it's the 80s calling.

      The Yuppies are still around, they've just grown up and are Muppies now.

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    5. Re:Bad Thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And realize how much better Android is.

    6. Re:Bad Thing? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      I bought a Lexus because it's a Toyota Camry under the hood. Can be fixed by any decent mechanic. Nicer interior, nothing more.

    7. Re: Bad Thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. Just realised they'll soon be Guppies.

  13. SamePhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be fair, phones didn't start looking like the iPhone until the iPhone came out. Check out what the first Android phone looked like (the HTC Dream) that came out a bit after the release of the iPhone, then check out the second model that came out a year later (The MyTouch 3G) They dropped the keyboard *real* fast after the iPhone came out.

    1. Re:SamePhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LG Prada came out before the iPhone.

    2. Re: SamePhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love how you Apple fanboys act like the LG Prada didn't exist.

    3. Re:SamePhone by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      LG Prada came out before the iPhone.

      Yeah, it was SHOWN about a MONTH before. Kinda fast for Apple to be copying it, eh?

    4. Re:SamePhone by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      To be fair, phones didn't start looking like the iPhone until the iPhone came out. Check out what the first Android phone looked like (the HTC Dream) that came out a bit after the release of the iPhone, then check out the second model that came out a year later (The MyTouch 3G) They dropped the keyboard *real* fast after the iPhone came out.

      WHY are we STILL having this argument?

      It has been proven time and again that EVERYONE copied the first iPhone.

    5. Re:SamePhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Motorola Ming before that.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Ming

    6. Re:SamePhone by lgw · · Score: 1

      Apple copied everything good from Xerox Parc.

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    7. Re:SamePhone by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Apple copied everything good from Xerox Parc.

      No, they PAID for the privilege. Essentially, a "Licensing" deal.

      And they MUCH improved upon Xerox' clumsy first attempts at a workable GUI.

      Here: Get your history straight, and stop embarrassing yourself in public:

      https://www.mac-history.net/co...

    8. Re:SamePhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope.

      The LG Prada was winning design awards months before the first Iphone was even announced.

      If anything, the Iphone was a copy of the Prada.

    9. Re:SamePhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure a site called mac-history is "the truth"
      You are a fucking idiot

      Everyone knows of jobs being a thief.

    10. Re:SamePhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And of course apple didnt have spies at different companies to see what they where doing. apple has proven time and time again to be dirty underhanded shitshow of a company.

    11. Re:SamePhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope.

      The Prada was already winning design awards in September 2006 and the Iphone was announced in January 2007

    12. Re: SamePhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like who you retards act like the Prada is relevant.

  14. Well, the notch isn't decorative by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

    It's functional. So how many ways are there to efficiently implement a notched screen?

    I'll leave the rounded rectangle part as an exercise for the reader.

    1. Re:Well, the notch isn't decorative by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      I'd rather not have the notch, and go for something like the Vivo Nex or the Oppo Find X. Now only if they didn't charge so damn much for them, and only in China / Southeast Asia.

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    2. Re:Well, the notch isn't decorative by jimbo · · Score: 1

      Well, a large number of notched phones are out now and they all look noticeably different. Notches are wide, narrow, thick, thin, rounded, square, screens are different sizes, bezels differing, etc. etc.

      If you read TFA you'd see that this is not just about rough similarity. It's every detail carefully copied, all the way from the hardware down to the wallpaper style.

  15. "egregious clone" by Tailhook · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The entire PC / laptop market had its origins in "clones." We used to celebrate this, even as the lawsuits flew every which way. Now we get media hit pieces and angry apple fanbois demanding explanations.

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    1. Re:"egregious clone" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple also just so happend to have gotten the notch at the same time Foxconn created a method of creating the notch, in which case the Essential Phone and Aquos S2 released with notches. Copying Apple is a lazy conclusion when its hardware manufacturers who created every technology that went in to it.

    2. Re:"egregious clone" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There even used to be apple pc clones.

    3. Re:"egregious clone" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You get Apple people demanding explanations because Android users around here spend 98% of their time complaining that Apple has 'stopped innovating' or denigrating the design of the iPhone no matter what it is. Then an Android manufacturer releases an utter knockoff—or all of them do, save Samsung—and there's no acknowledgment that maybe the design has its place, or alternately, that it's just as bad when Motorola does it.

      I'm an Apple iPhone owner, and I've been ambivalent about the notch from day 1, and I'm firmly of the opinion that the second they can put all that tech under a screen and make a rectangular screen with no notch, they will. I have no idea why every Android manufacturer is jumping on this bandwagon and why there seems to be no pushback from the Android fans around here. They still just spend their time complaining about the iPhone.

    4. Re:"egregious clone" by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The entire PC / laptop market had its origins in "clones."

      Not at all even remotely on point. "Clones" were defined by their functionality. The capability of running the same software or being able to perform in the same way.

      What it wasn't was a visual copy. If anything the "clones" were the ones that started driving changing styles and innovation, the exact opposite of what is happening in this case.

    5. Re:"egregious clone" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Apple fanboys are just upset that they spent $1500 on a dual-core MacBook that can be beat by a $750 Windows gaming laptop. Oh, and their keyboards break constantly.

      Also, that the Apple copiers typically drop useless features like face-unlock.

  16. Shameless? Designs are copied all the time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those without any history, Windows copied MacOS, and MacOS copies Xerox PARC.

    This happens all the time, and is completely normal. Anything that's designed is copied. Ever wonder why there's always these similar looks in fashion? Copying. Nobody calls it "shameless" or "brazen" though. Someone came up with glass clad skyscrapers in the 60s or maybe the 70s. Now they all look that way, but nobody gets all uppity about "brazen copying".

    Get over it Apple fanbois, you can't, and never have been able to "own" design elements like this.

    1. Re: Shameless? Designs are copied all the time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It actually takes work to make knock offs, and there is a difference between product similarities and those that are simply attempting to duplicate a product. I mean really how much effort could it have taken to realize the phone you were making was such a shameless duplicate that even the wall paper was the same?

      As for the notch I can see phones having it if it serves a purpose like on more of the high end phones, I laugh a bit a the cheap android which have fake notches.

  17. Looks are irrelevant by gTsiros · · Score: 1

    don't care one bit how it looks

    i only care how it works

    and considering it runs android... xD

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    1. Re:Looks are irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet it's irrelevant... Android is just a stolen iPhone/iOS designs and IP. Too bad IP laws are so weak on this planet, stealing is a lot easier than creating the work.

  18. Prada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    True, it was announced six months before the iPhone came out. I don't think you can make the argument that it affected the design of the iPhone.

    1. Re:Prada by samwichse · · Score: 1

      Thereby proving his exact point.

  19. Ugh... Let's not pay attention to any facts... by spafbi · · Score: 1

    I wish ignorant reporters would do a little fact checking and stop going on about Android phones blatantly copying the iPhone X notch. The Essential phone (an Android device) was released with a notch (albeit a smaller one) six months before the iPhone X, so it's not exactly an original "Apple" idea. As for the other aesthetics of the devices, there's not much variation you can do on a flat rectangular device that's mostly/all screen on one side and mostly flat on the other.

    1. Re:Ugh... Let's not pay attention to any facts... by jimbo · · Score: 1

      True: Sharp, Essential and Apple came out with notched phones at the same time, that they'd probably all spent a year working on, independently. This is not about copying the idea of a notch or rough similarity; it's about the Motorola looking identical, down to the very wallpaper.

      Read TFA linked.

      I have a notched Essential phone right here and it looks and feels very different from the iPhone X, they all look their own way, the P30 does not.

      It's like the much ridiculed rounded corners case, it's was actually about much more: the phone looking the same, the icons on the screen, the box it came in and even internal Samsung emails discussing how to do it. But in front of a judge you can't just hold up a device in each hand and and say "your honor, what do you think?", you have to laboriously discuss each detail, thus the rounded corners case.

    2. Re:Ugh... Let's not pay attention to any facts... by MoralCharacter · · Score: 1

      So what if they have similar wallpapers? 'Smears of bright colors' isn't exactly a novel or brand new wallpaper design that Apple came up with. Calculated to emulate the iPhone? Sure. But it's not like it's some 'exclusive iPhone feature' - it's a damn wallpaper. It's also fairly obvious that and the notch is what's supposed to 'convince' us in the article - so if Motorola ever launches this phone in the west, it's a wallpaper change away from escaping most scrutiny it would seem.

      The notch thing is also in no way an 'Apple Innovation' as you said. Hell, the style of notch Motorola used isn't even an Apple exclusive design - there were already several other phones with that specific shape of notch out there - the only difference between any of them being how wide that notch is. Your Essential is the most extreme - but it's also the only one with a notch like that. Every other notched phone looks like the iPhone X's notch, but different widths.
      But more importantly, as of right now the P30 was made in China for the Chinese market. Wish Apple good luck in suing a Chinese company in China - they'll need it. (Especially seeing as they apparently hold no patents on the notch in the first place.)

    3. Re:Ugh... Let's not pay attention to any facts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True: Sharp, Essential and Apple came out with notched phones at the same time, that they'd probably all spent a year working on, independently. This is not about copying the idea of a notch or rough similarity; it's about the Motorola looking identical, down to the very wallpaper.

      Read TFA linked.

      I have a notched Essential phone right here and it looks and feels very different from the iPhone X, they all look their own way, the P30 does not.

      It's like the much ridiculed rounded corners case, it's was actually about much more: the phone looking the same, the icons on the screen, the box it came in and even internal Samsung emails discussing how to do it. But in front of a judge you can't just hold up a device in each hand and and say "your honor, what do you think?", you have to laboriously discuss each detail, thus the rounded corners case.

      do you even have a rough clue what the word identical means???

  20. Yawn... by BoFo · · Score: 1

    Are we back discussing whether or not rounded corners on a frikkin' phone qualifies as patent infringement? Bore me to tears, this is another tempest in a very similar teapot.

    1. Re:Yawn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, we're discussing whether having the same wallpaper qualifies as infringement it seems. It couldn't be the notch, since Apple doesn't have a patent for it to begin with.

  21. What happened to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Good artists copy; great artists steal."?

  22. Shameless? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Shame died in 2016. RIP.

  23. Aha! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Competitors are falling for Apple's ingenious trap, and building copycat phones with frickin' HOLES in the middle of the SCREEN! Wahahahaha!

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  24. OMG! A rectangle! by in10se · · Score: 1

    How dare they create a rectangular device with rounded corners, full screen, and front/rear facing cameras!

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  25. Points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What point? That a year after the iPhone X came out, Motorola came out with a copy? Keep in mind the iPhone was Apple's first phone. The Motorola knockoff is an existing edge-to-edge design with a notch added.

  26. its like an iphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but better.

  27. The ignorance of tech reporters is outstanding. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two-three years ago a production engineer at Samsung was working on flexible displays for smartwatches and phones and designed & ordered a new etching tool to cut the displays to fit without an edge (cut and bevel). The machine was developed, tested and deployed and samples were placed in the catalog including a few identical to what those idiots are calling "the iPhone X notch design" with your typical initial high BoM. Gradually, the BoM went down after a few Japanese smartwatch brands used them and Apple made a huge order which drove Samsung to fit all their lines with the new machines and bring down the BoM to just a few bucks above the previous machining only representing the longer etching times. That very same week the new catalog came out, orders were made from all over.

    This is how consumer brand products are made people. The factory lists options and your designers pick colors and finish. Yes even Apple does this. Sometimes they add an extra touch by making their own cases or using some exotic material no one else uses... But that's not innovation. That's just more money thrown at the problem. Sometimes it results in trends. Sometimes it results in phones you're not holding right... Almost always, it doesn't result with a better functioning product.

    Regardless, even if you dare call yourself a tech reporter without know all these basic facts about product design, crediting Apple for designs people saw in Samsung ads marketing their new flexible displays and folks still remember is some idiotic shit.

    #runtout

  28. Good Artists copy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good artists copy, great artists steal. --Steve Jobs

    So when Apple and Microsoft were ripping off *WHOLESALE* from Xerox, its entire software platform, heavily emulating its driver and device technology (and they didn't have anything anywhere near what Xerox had, and Xerox had set up its Palo Alto Research Complex to heavily underwrite and fund the work of Doug Englebart and Alan Kay among others), and they ripped off everything they say wholesale.) Now, some 30+ years later, "hey, they be rippin us off over there... :( "

  29. Copycats? Us? by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    We are not Samsung. In fact, our latest is called the Y-fone

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  30. Its a smart phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they are all about the same at this point.

  31. Um, really? by Ayanami_R · · Score: 1

    There are only so many ways to make a flat slab with a screen notch, so um.. I don't see it.

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  32. They all look the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All a phone is these days is a screen with a notch. Thanks Essential, for starting that shit.

  33. Not an iPhone copy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks more like a Xiaomi Mi8 to me

  34. See the M on the back? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    See the M on the back? Kind of gives the game away. Otherwise it's another of a hundred similar looking slabphones.

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  35. Motorola is now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chinese junk knockoffs.

  36. Does it fit in an iPhone case by virtualXTC · · Score: 1

    If the phone fits inside those mass produced iphone cases - THIS IS FRICKIN' BRILLIANT! When prices are close, of the major things that makes me hesitant to buy anything other than an iPhone, galaxy, or pixel is the cost of the extra's. Especially since I tend to prefer those wallet-style cases. Right now all phones are so similar in size and shape, it's a shame there isn't a common case format.

  37. From Who? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

    Tell them to fuck off.

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  38. If nothing else... by sad_ · · Score: 1

    ... this should show Apple-sheep how overpriced their products are.

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