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Nvidia Unveils Powerful New RTX 2070 and 2080 Graphics Cards (polygon.com)
During a pre-Gamescom 2018 livestream from Cologne, Germany, Nvidia on Monday unveiled new GeForce RTX 2070, RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti high-end graphics cards. These new 20-series cards will succeed Nvidia's current top-of-the-line GPUs, the GeForce GTX 1070, GTX 1080 and GTX 1080 Ti. While the company usually waits to launch the more powerful Ti version of a GPU, this time around, it's releasing the RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti at once. Polygon adds: They won't come cheap. The Nvidia-manufactured Founders Edition versions will cost $599 for the RTX 2070, $799 for the RTX 2080 and $1,199 for the RTX 2080 Ti. The latter two cards are expected to ship "on or around" Sept. 20, while there is no estimated release date for the RTX 2070. Pre-orders are currently available for the RTX 2080 and 2080 Ti. Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang announced different "starting at" prices during the keynote presentation. Huang's presentation said the RTX 2070 will start at $499, the RTX 2080 at $699 and the RTX 2080 Ti at $999. Asked for clarification, an Nvidia representative told Polygon that these amounts reflect retail prices for third-party manufacturers' cards.
The RTX 2070, 2080 and 2080 Ti will be the first consumer-level graphics cards based on Nvidia's next-generation Turing architecture, which the company announced earlier this month at the SIGGRAPH computing conference. At that time, Nvidia also revealed its first Turing-based products: three GPUs in the company's Quadro line, which is geared toward professional applications. All three of the new RTX cards will feature built-in support for real-time ray tracing, a rendering and lighting technique for photorealistic graphics that gaming companies are starting to introduce this year
The RTX 2070, 2080 and 2080 Ti will be the first consumer-level graphics cards based on Nvidia's next-generation Turing architecture, which the company announced earlier this month at the SIGGRAPH computing conference. At that time, Nvidia also revealed its first Turing-based products: three GPUs in the company's Quadro line, which is geared toward professional applications. All three of the new RTX cards will feature built-in support for real-time ray tracing, a rendering and lighting technique for photorealistic graphics that gaming companies are starting to introduce this year
Wake me up when the consumer cards can do accelerated 16-bit floating point math.
AMD: your market share is going to be rising with these prices.
Holy shit. Seriously, Nvidia?
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Now that GPU sales demand for cryptomining has all but disappeared they're looking for a honey pot to replace it with. Good luck.
On a big pile of money!
The RTX 2080Ti has 19% more FLOPS than the 1080Ti... and costs 54% more money.
NVIDIA emphasized the new raytracing performance, presumably to deflect that fact.
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Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang told Monday's Gamescom crowd that the Turing chip shipping in the consumer-grade RTX cards includes 18.9 billion transistors and that it includes three discrete processors: the Turing SM, the RT Core, and the Tensor Core. Huang said that the Tensor Core's focus on AI will allow newer RTX cards to predict and generate on-screen pixels as appropriate in a given 3D scene.
If you're predicting on screen pixels .... what else can you predict? Are you predicting?
The Tensor Core is "basically ten 1080 Tis dedicated to doing one thing: artificial intelligence," Huang said. .
I wonder what is possible when chaining all these tensor cores together in a block-chain, super computer, or bot-net... What are some major issues these major machines can solve? FTL problem(s)? Nvidia seems to mention "predicting" for games and graphics but what about predicting for habitable planets, what's on the other side of the wormhole? What are some other things? I can imagine most of it would go to predicting better advertisements!
source: https://arstechnica.com/gaming...
Have 1080's come down?
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Pay $$$$ for a gfx-card that I can trash as soon nVidia loses interest in releasing their proprietary closed-source driver? No, thank you. Even if the GPUs from Intel and AMD are slower, I know I will be able to compile a contemporary kernel with a driver for them, also tomorrow.
Some of the problems these beasts may be able to solve are...
Is it looking at a boob or an elbow?
If you're predicting on screen pixels .... what else can you predict? Are you predicting?
I can't help but feel like we've had some issues lately with processors trying to predict what instructions are coming... does anyone else here see this, and fell like it isn't the best idea right now?
I wonder what is possible when chaining all these tensor cores together in a block-chain, super computer, or bot-net...
Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of those? More importantly, though, are they Turing complete?
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But can they see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch?
It's a dying market. Especially as long as those prices stay that high.
No money from me Nvidia.
Not gonna pay over $1000 for a phone or a graphics card. These tech companies are getting too damn greedy.
Now release a 4K GTA 6 that actually uses the ray tracing! It will probably be a year before the game developers fully utilize this.
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I wonder how much prices will drop on the 1060 and 1070 now that the next series is announced.
Probably zero. Nvidia currently sells the 1070 for $400, the 2070 will supposedly be $600 from Nvidia. Other vendors -- ASUS, MSI, etc -- sell for less than Nvidia's prices, a 2070 from these sources in expected to be $500, pre-cryto mania they were selling 1070 for well under $400.
However you look at it these first 20xx cards are expensive enough that they will not be pushing 10xx card prices down. If 10xx card prices go down it will more likely be due to the crypto demand ending. 10xx and the announced 20xx will likely coexists just fine for a while. Maybe 10xx will get cheaper when there is a 20xx process shrink or something, a second generation of 20xx -- 2060, 2050.
Note this works out well from an economics perspective too. It collects the higher "willingness to pay" from those early adopters.
Shopping for a video card is more confusing then ever. If a 1080 is "too old", but these cars are overkill and have features games may not even get, what the hell to buy?
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Have 1080's come down?
No, why would they? A 1080 from Nvidia is $550, a 2080 from Nvidia is $800.
Prices have come down in the sense that crypto-inflated pricing is ending, but prices from Nvidia itself never reflected that inflation, only retail prices did. Nvidia was simply out of stock and new orders were wait listed. At retail a 1080 could have been $1,000 or more. Currently retail is $500-550, maybe slightly higher than pre-crypto mania pricing. Hopefully we get back to pre-crypto, but that's about it, 2080 are so much more expensive they won't have any real downward pressure. At least for these first gen 20xx cards.
What are some major issues these major machines can solve?
Spy on you more efficiently.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
for a top end part. Right now AMD doesn't really have anything close to it either. The Vega line isn't bad but even the 1080 beats it on price, performance and even power consumption and heat. AMD does better in the mid range. The RX 580 can be had for $230 on sale with 8gb of RAM and while it's slower than a 1060 (it's nearest competitor) that will change as newer games want that extra 2gb.
That said, AMD's had a mountain of driver issues for a long, long time. I've heard they're better now, but I still see more posts on steam forums when games launch complaining about compatibility. That alone has led to a bit of a price premium for nVidia hardware.
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you don't buy it for price/performance. You buy it because money isn't an object and you just plain _want_ it.
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I remember when the top of the line NVidia graphics card was a consumer product that cost less than $200. WTF happened?
I never understood why AMD doesn't just commit all of their foundries to making their very best cards. Drop the low end models entirely. Then price the card at the price of what their cheapest card would of cost (roughly). It's not like the cards cost more to manufacture. The high end pricing is intentionally set to pay for things like R&D and to make the company money. However if they sold their high end Ryzen for the price of their low end Ryzen; they would sell millions of them. They would make way more in the end. The marketshare they take up put them in the position to repeat the process the next generation, and slowly inflate price from generation to generation. Nvidia is not structured to be able to react to that in time.
FYI, I booked a round trip from LAX to Maui and airbnb for a week for $1200. So I guess you can upgrade your card for features you probably won't even use (let's face it most will disable RT to get better frames) or you can go live a little for the same amount of money.
...just not on AMD peasant rigs."
Jokes aside, while the capabilities enabled by the new RTCore and neural net in the new RTX cards should definitely be welcomed, I'm not sure whether we should be worried about the implications this might have on the increasing trend of proprietary, closed source middleware in games and other graphics software.
Watching the conference, the most telling moment was probably when they demonstrated the lighting effects in Battlefield 5 when using RTCore and alternatively just the game engine's built-in lighting effects. The difference really was night and day and one can imagine some studios looking at this and considering whether they even need bother going to the hassle of developing their own implementations for lighting when they can achieve much better results just using Nvidia middleware instead.
Whilst proprietary, vendor specific graphics plugins are nothing new from Nvidia (Gameworks), two things that are different this time are:
Admittedly, I'm making a number of assumptions here e.g that Nvidia won't share information about the RTCore, but given some of their quite shady practices in the past, it's something to consider.
I'm still using it. I'll replace it when it (die/break)s. Same for my ATI Radeon 4870 video card (512 MB of VRAM). :P
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Not paying 1000 dollars for a graphics card. Tech companies are too greedy these days.
This is what I'm afraid of ... not in that they're spying ... I get that it makes money. However, it seems to me like such wasted effort. When will it come to pass when we can say "gone are the days of our toiling away towards the acquisition of wealth" ? This rat race nonsense is really bullshit and its killing us.