I was trying to say that you were thinking OTHERS in this thread were arguing that torture is ok, but it is not what they were saying.
As to the guilty or not, does it matter - as you say and in my opinion, torture is not a valid method to determine guilt or facts of any kind, as the victim of the torture will probably end up confessing even if they are not guilty, just to stop the torture. I also do not know if they were guilty of anything, as I have not studied the case in any detail, and do not have the knowledge of the cases to form an opinion, and in any case it would be an opinion, not the truth.
The point I was trying to make is that no-one disagrees with you on your point of torture being bad.
Nobody in this thread has suggested torture is ok in any way for any reason.
The point made was that there are separate issues being ignored because they are not popular issues, such as internet privacy. So ACLU is focusing on issues people will be vocal about, and understand such as torture, rather then issues people don't really understand such as internet privacy.
I think they should focus on both issues, but the original poster thinks they are not focused on the online privacy issue.
I was not saying you believed in torture, but that you understood the original poster as arguing that torture is ok to save the majority. I was trying to point out that the original poster was not making this point, but that the ACLU should be focusing on issues that are affecting the majority of the population such as online privacy, rather then going for the political points of the torture issue.
I don't think anyone involved in this thread was arguing that torture is ok if it means that the majority is kept safe, but rather that there are other issues that do not "score points" that they are missing, that are actually quite serious and effect pretty much everyone directly.
I believe the point was the ACLU should focus on an issue that effects the whole population (the story topic of a group of companies trying to control the internet in the name of "IP") rather then focus on a issue effecting a small number of people (torture/waterboarding). As opposed to the way you seem to take the argument that torture of a few is ok to save the majoritiy (which is not what the quote you gave expressed, but I can see how you could get that from the statement).
it.slashdot.org has brown as its colour, not green:-)
So it is not the colour blind, but rather, poor design that makes the it section look crappy brown.
I was really happily surprised by Acrobat Reader 8. At least on my laptop, it's seriously four or five times faster to load, loading almost as fast as Windows' Picture and Fax viewer (I notice this because I'm into papercrafts, which are usually either PNGs or PDFs). Finally Adobe got it right, after releasing version after version of readers, each loading slower than the last one. Reader 8 is actually still just as slow, if not slower to load then earlier versions, they just pre-load the application as windows starts up. It can be done with pretty much any application, and I know a few people who do it with firefox and openoffice.org. It is just a command line switch in the Windows Start Menu shortcut for the application if I remember correctly. A google search should show it up.
No they often are making the original, and build two factories when they get the contract: one for the original, and next door, one for the copy... I guess that is what you get when you outsource your product to a country with no respect for your IP:-)
Where does the heat originally come from? All we are doing is moving the heat from inside the building to outside.
If there was no building or we opened the windows the heat would still be in the atmosphere, as the heat from the space of the building would still exist.
I will admit that if there was no building, the heat from people and computers, etc would not be there, however, if we just open a window, the heat will still exist and contribute.
All air conditioners really do is move the heat from one part of the atmosphere (in the building) to another (outside). They do generate a small amount of heat themselves, however that is minimal in comparison.
My System (only 300 users) - i call it mine - cause i admin it, now blocks executable files, video & audio, and encrypted zip files. No real compaints. The video is to stop users emailing 20Mb videos and 5Mg mp3's which fill the system and cause headaches. I let those file in for IT addresses, and put them straight into quaranteen, open with caution!
An Anonymous Coward said:
I don't know what kind of webmaster you are, but the reg information per user is probably less than a single Kilobyte worth of data.
Say we saved them the slashdot crowd of two hundred thousand clicks. 200k. WOOOhoooo... Hallelujah... Lord be praised.
Now, on the other hand, 200k at 1cent per click for some sort of advertising company, that's $2k...
Think/say what you will, even if the per click/user fee was a tenth of a cent, it would by FAR cover the costs of storage.
"two hundred thousand clicks" @ "a single Kilobyte worth of data" is not 200k (you were talking data - or clicks?) - it is 1KB * 200,000 = 200MegaBytes!, a not so insignificant amount of data...
I'd be interested in the process you suggest that transforms matter into photons...
Nuclear fusion create light (& heat)
Light = photons.
Fusion converts mass into energy.
So, if slashdotted server heats up enough to form a fusion reaction, then some of his server would convert into photons...
Mass (Matter) to light reaction...
Slashdot Mirror
I was trying to say that you were thinking OTHERS in this thread were arguing that torture is ok, but it is not what they were saying.
As to the guilty or not, does it matter - as you say and in my opinion, torture is not a valid method to determine guilt or facts of any kind, as the victim of the torture will probably end up confessing even if they are not guilty, just to stop the torture.
I also do not know if they were guilty of anything, as I have not studied the case in any detail, and do not have the knowledge of the cases to form an opinion, and in any case it would be an opinion, not the truth.
The point I was trying to make is that no-one disagrees with you on your point of torture being bad.
Nobody in this thread has suggested torture is ok in any way for any reason.
The point made was that there are separate issues being ignored because they are not popular issues, such as internet privacy. So ACLU is focusing on issues people will be vocal about, and understand such as torture, rather then issues people don't really understand such as internet privacy.
I think they should focus on both issues, but the original poster thinks they are not focused on the online privacy issue.
I was not saying you believed in torture, but that you understood the original poster as arguing that torture is ok to save the majority. I was trying to point out that the original poster was not making this point, but that the ACLU should be focusing on issues that are affecting the majority of the population such as online privacy, rather then going for the political points of the torture issue.
I don't think anyone involved in this thread was arguing that torture is ok if it means that the majority is kept safe, but rather that there are other issues that do not "score points" that they are missing, that are actually quite serious and effect pretty much everyone directly.
I believe the point was the ACLU should focus on an issue that effects the whole population (the story topic of a group of companies trying to control the internet in the name of "IP") rather then focus on a issue effecting a small number of people (torture/waterboarding).
As opposed to the way you seem to take the argument that torture of a few is ok to save the majoritiy (which is not what the quote you gave expressed, but I can see how you could get that from the statement).
12,756.32 kilometers
raid 10 is actually raid 1+0, and is different to 0+1... both are nothing to do with raid 5.
both can fail with just two drive failures, however you can be lucky and survive more.
Wiki is your friend:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nested_RAID_levels
You may be thinking of RAID 5+0...
it.slashdot.org has brown as its colour, not green :-)
So it is not the colour blind, but rather, poor design that makes the it section look crappy brown.
whoosh... not worth a troll mod though...
Clarkson hates green groups, he just wants to drive powerful cars
The Institute of Leadership & Management
Oh they might like a death moon or something, but could they organise one?
dude, didn't you read, he works with ROBOTS!
Well, that's all his kid will care about.
No they often are making the original, and build two factories when they get the contract: one for the original, and next door, one for the copy... I guess that is what you get when you outsource your product to a country with no respect for your IP :-)
above link is Not Safe For Work
No problems here... Kubuntu AMD64 smp kernel, no problems...
I am going to downgrade to the i386 version however, because a few applications are not available yet in 64bit.
Where does the heat originally come from? All we are doing is moving the heat from inside the building to outside.
If there was no building or we opened the windows the heat would still be in the atmosphere, as the heat from the space of the building would still exist.
I will admit that if there was no building, the heat from people and computers, etc would not be there, however, if we just open a window, the heat will still exist and contribute.
All air conditioners really do is move the heat from one part of the atmosphere (in the building) to another (outside). They do generate a small amount of heat themselves, however that is minimal in comparison.
A Retarded Redundant Department of Redundantly Retarded Redundant Departments?
It may be the Redundant Department of Redundancy Department (RDoRD)?
N.B. actually is latin, "nota bene", meaning "Note Well" and should be capitalised...
My System (only 300 users) - i call it mine - cause i admin it, now blocks executable files, video & audio, and encrypted zip files. No real compaints. The video is to stop users emailing 20Mb videos and 5Mg mp3's which fill the system and cause headaches. I let those file in for IT addresses, and put them straight into quaranteen, open with caution!
it could be insures - depends on the moral charactor of the said police.
Oh we were talking about what should happen, not what often does happen
An Anonymous Coward said:
I don't know what kind of webmaster you are, but the reg information per user is probably less than a single Kilobyte worth of data.
Say we saved them the slashdot crowd of two hundred thousand clicks. 200k. WOOOhoooo... Hallelujah... Lord be praised.
Now, on the other hand, 200k at 1cent per click for some sort of advertising company, that's $2k...
Think/say what you will, even if the per click/user fee was a tenth of a cent, it would by FAR cover the costs of storage.
"two hundred thousand clicks" @ "a single Kilobyte worth of data" is not 200k (you were talking data - or clicks?) - it is 1KB * 200,000 = 200MegaBytes!, a not so insignificant amount of data...
Apache...
Light = photons.
Fusion converts mass into energy.
So, if slashdotted server heats up enough to form a fusion reaction, then some of his server would convert into photons...
Mass (Matter) to light reaction...
Oh, congratulations, you can copy and paste from the last link in tfa!
AND get modded UNDERRATED? I would think REDUNDANT?