"Brazil isn't like the US - they don't spend hundreds of billions on military, and therefore, I doubt their military computer systems make up even 10% of their infrastructure)..."
Hey! We brazillians resent that dismissive remark.
I am the Brazillian Defence Minister and I have spoken with the army on just this point. They're both too upset to comment right now.
Interesting to hear about the BSD/Solaris commanalities. I've got to confess that my experience of most of the OS's I use don't stretch much further than the command-line tools - not much experience under the hood so to speak. It might be more interesting to some of the guys I work with who reckon that (for some of the apps we run) the sparc + Solaris is poor value for money. They'd love to switch to, well, anything if it can run on fast commodity hardware without them having to rip the guts of the app out.
BTW, you have nothing to apologise for. You're the kind of reasonable, level-headed downright pleasant guy/gal who I should have in my friends list.
The VMS thing? It's at least 6 months since I touched it. OpenVMS on a creaky old alpha box - so old that it's intel replacement runs rings around it - kept on mainly for a few internal legacy tools. Pretty soon, none of the users will use it, while none of the IT guys dare unplug it. A bit like that lost NetWare server.
"Ok, now this really SHOULD be moderated as funny. You totally crack me up.:)
Oh, hey, big words don't make up for swearing.;)"
I don't apologise for a bit of plain anglo-saxon talking now and again - as long as they're used judiciously, like verbal condiments, to spice up the language.
"Oh hell. I'll bite. Guess what? I use Linux,and BSD, and Windows XP Yes, I actually have machines with each installed."
Well, I use NT, 98, Solaris, and very ocasionally VMS & LynxOs. They're all usable for what they do (although I never quite got on with VMS - it always seems very verbose in comparison to the *nixes).
"It's clear you haven't spent much time in the BSD community. I've yet to see a RTFM, or a 'why don't you code it' comment. There may be some anti-GPL comments, but that's another issue entirely."
That's a fair comment. After a day at the keyboard, I'm not too interested in coding for pleasure or perusing RFC and FAQs.
I say! You haven't been perusing my profile have you? I feel dirty and violated!
"On the other hand, whenever a story about BSD is posted here on slashdot, there are a dozen or so jokers like you who like to bad mouth the OS and/or it's users. Tell me, how many such wise cracks get moderated up to funny if they are about Linux? It's very obvious that this is mostly a Linux centric site."
My original comment was a response to a comment that read, to me at least, as a very condescending "you just don't get it" type of dismissal. I haven't been slumming it in/. for very long (just check out the user# in the high 6 figures), but I'm aware the BSD gets a rap as the elitist's OS. To go ahead and make the connection was obvious...
"If you happen to be one of the probably less than 20% of the readers who is *not* a linux fan, then I apologize for calling you one..."
I don't think it's really an insult to be called a "Linux Fan" (which I ain't). "Fanboy", on the other hand: Them's fightin' words!
I use Linux, I find it useful, and IMHO, the good about Linux far, far outweighs the bad. Nothing is perfect, however.
"Regardless, it's not funny to make fun of another community, especially one you haven't spent much time in."
Hm. I thought I was just pegging a post which typified a prevailing stereotype in this community (/.).
Maybe the OP's arms were tired from slapping people's heads all day while pointing at a section in the man pages, maybe he/her was having a bad day. I doubt if a throwaway comment in this of all places broke his/her heart.
"And don't mistake my sarcasm for making jokes about the linux community. I am critisizing it in response to an uncalled for outburst."
No explanation necessary - I'm from the UK. I might not get dental hygiene, but I'm well alongside the use of sarcasm.
Is there no management oversight? Is there no P or VP who is able to smack the marketdroids down until their promises to customers are merely laughable, rather than ridiculous?
"Disappointing this off-topic flame was scored 2 'insightful'. Reflects the bias and lack of professionalism on the part of many reviewers."
Not a flame, just a perfectly valid response to the statement "I'm afraid you understand neither FreeBSD's design or the fundamental issues of working with Java (on any platform)." The guy could have said something about the BSD design philosophy, summarised the problems of Java on BSD or any platform, but no, "you just don't understand". Dismissive and elitist.
BTW, expecting professionalism on the part of/. reviewers is fairly naive: The pay is very poor.
"What the poster and reviewers probably aren't aware of is how little effort it takes to add the latest Perl via FreeBSD's ports: 1) cd/usr/ports/perl5, 2) make install. Even that is only necessary if Perl wasn't selected during system installation."
"And yet another linux fan gets moderated to funny making fun of another community! Wow! I am so surprised!"
Who mentioned Linux?.
You have the exasperating and exasperated tone of a proselytising atheist who's just been told that atheisim is a religion, just one that worships the absence of God. For "God and atheisim" read "Linux and BSD".
"Oops, I forgot to swear in my post. Now I'll never be moderated as funny. Darn."
Nope, you'll never be modded "Funny" for far more fundamental reasons than that.
"Not that I'm against Java, but if you want Java included "out of the box" I'm afraid you understand neither FreeBSD's design or the fundamental issues of working with Java (on any platform)."
And yet/.ers still portray *BSD'ers as elitist assholes. How the hell can this be so?
Verizon have done everything they can to avoid disclosing names, but the (legal) cards are just stacked against them.
What do you expect? Do you really think that there is some magic isp out there who's executives are willing to commit contempt and do jail time so that you can continue to snag p0rnz and mp3's?
"I assumed, wrongly, that you might actually have something to say, Mr. Kunt. Guess not. Hope your vomit-inducing rage goes away..."
I assumed wrongly that you were just trolling, but I see that you ain't. [wipes mouth with back of hand]
"...What's tangled into this whole debate is the question of how long intellectual property rights should last. Original, and for the sake of innovation and competition, they should be very limited. Otherwise, we get into a situation in which, I don't know....oh let's say...a company owns and charges royalties on a song for fifty years. The extended terms we're living with have no link to the original intent of the law. It's just a simulacra of the intent, bought into and defended by ignorant robots..."
I take your point, especially with respect to the onset of perpetual copright for songs and music of the 20th/21st century, but I don't necessarily see a correspondence between popular entertainment and software. Songs don't require support, bug-fixes, documentation, etc.
There is never going to be any pressing need for "Hit Me Baby One More time v2.0a-rc".
"...And how long should software companies hold onto everyday items, such as the Word Processor, Spreadsheet, and Calendar? According to them, forever. How convenient, for them. They get to keep making money at our expense. Luckily, though, the corporate crooks of the world have ignorant robots to defend them..."
Who's holding onto these staples of the desktop environment? There are competing versions of all of the above for sale or download. I don't have a problem with any company vigorously defending their rights w.r.t. their particular implementation of a wordprocessor or a text editor.
"...The company in question here in Microsoft. Let's examine the situation. They have a ubiquitous line of products, a monopoly. They abuse their monopoly and price gouge. They eliminate competition illegally (this is a matter of public record, is it not?). So what does that mean for their softare licenses? How much respect should we extend to the bogus "Agreement" offered by an illegal operation?..."
What are you suggesting? MS has no IP or commercial rights invested in any of its products,
hence copyright infringment of their wares is acceptable? Palladium ahoy!
Translation: "I want loads of stuff for free, and while I'm at it, I'll spout sanctimonious nonsense". You realise that you sound like the worst sorta snotty half-baked brat?
- I'd be the first stone age hacker^h^h^h^h^h^cracker: I'd wait until you invented something really useful, then creep stealthily up and use my stone age nmap (a large club).
When you awoke, you'd see that I'd also defaced your site (cave wall) with crude and insulting cave paintings: "T&K h4s 0wnored ur firez!", "All your fires are belong to us" etc.
"...Somehow still, I don't think you will have any trouble signing acts who will only earn 1.8 million a year instead of 18 million. Most acts are in it for the pussy anyway..."
I'll be looking at Britney in a whole new light in that case...
Slashdot Mirror
Unfortuately, a lie has gone three times around the world before the truth has even got its trousers on.
A nice bloke with a beard told me this, or something very like it.
T&K.
"I'm goin' t'smack some shush into yo' stupid sco moud"
Courtsey of The Dialecticizer
T&K.
"Brazil isn't like the US - they don't spend hundreds of billions on military, and therefore, I doubt their military computer systems make up even 10% of their infrastructure)..."
Hey! We brazillians resent that dismissive remark.
I am the Brazillian Defence Minister and I have spoken with the army on just this point. They're both too upset to comment right now.
Yours,
Generalisimo BigHatAndMirrorAviatorShades.
Interesting to hear about the BSD/Solaris commanalities. I've got to confess that my experience of most of the OS's I use don't stretch much further than the command-line tools - not much experience under the hood so to speak. It might be more interesting to some of the guys I work with who reckon that (for some of the apps we run) the sparc + Solaris is poor value for money. They'd love to switch to, well, anything if it can run on fast commodity hardware without them having to rip the guts of the app out.
BTW, you have nothing to apologise for. You're the kind of reasonable, level-headed downright pleasant guy/gal who I should have in my friends list.
The VMS thing? It's at least 6 months since I touched it. OpenVMS on a creaky old alpha box - so old that it's intel replacement runs rings around it - kept on mainly for a few internal legacy tools. Pretty soon, none of the users will use it, while none of the IT guys dare unplug it. A bit like that lost NetWare server.
Best,
T&K.
"Ok, now this really SHOULD be moderated as funny. You totally crack me up.
Oh, hey, big words don't make up for swearing.
I don't apologise for a bit of plain anglo-saxon talking now and again - as long as they're used judiciously, like verbal condiments, to spice up the language.
"Oh hell. I'll bite. Guess what? I use Linux,and BSD, and Windows XP Yes, I actually have machines with each installed."
Well, I use NT, 98, Solaris, and very ocasionally VMS & LynxOs. They're all usable for what they do (although I never quite got on with VMS - it always seems very verbose in comparison to the *nixes).
"It's clear you haven't spent much time in the BSD community. I've yet to see a RTFM, or a 'why don't you code it' comment. There may be some anti-GPL comments, but that's another issue entirely."
That's a fair comment. After a day at the keyboard, I'm not too interested in coding for pleasure or perusing RFC and FAQs.
I say! You haven't been perusing my profile have you? I feel dirty and violated!
"On the other hand, whenever a story about BSD is posted here on slashdot, there are a dozen or so jokers like you who like to bad mouth the OS and/or it's users. Tell me, how many such wise cracks get moderated up to funny if they are about Linux? It's very obvious that this is mostly a Linux centric site."
My original comment was a response to a comment that read, to me at least, as a very condescending "you just don't get it" type of dismissal. I haven't been slumming it in
"If you happen to be one of the probably less than 20% of the readers who is *not* a linux fan, then I apologize for calling you one..."
I don't think it's really an insult to be called a "Linux Fan" (which I ain't). "Fanboy", on the other hand: Them's fightin' words!
I use Linux, I find it useful, and IMHO, the good about Linux far, far outweighs the bad. Nothing is perfect, however.
"Regardless, it's not funny to make fun of another community, especially one you haven't spent much time in."
Hm. I thought I was just pegging a post which typified a prevailing stereotype in this community (/.).
Maybe the OP's arms were tired from slapping people's heads all day while pointing at a section in the man pages, maybe he/her was having a bad day. I doubt if a throwaway comment in this of all places broke his/her heart.
"And don't mistake my sarcasm for making jokes about the linux community. I am critisizing it in response to an uncalled for outburst."
No explanation necessary - I'm from the UK. I might not get dental hygiene, but I'm well alongside the use of sarcasm.
Best,
T&K.
Good God man!
Is there no management oversight? Is there no P or VP who is able to smack the marketdroids down until their promises to customers are merely laughable, rather than ridiculous?
(Insert obligatory reference)
Oh... you work at MS, right?
T&K.
" I guess the better way to say it is "Its in disagreement with FreeBSD's design and there are issues with working with Java (on any platform)".
Much better. I'm still (genuinely) interested to know how it disagrees with the *BSD way of doing things...
Peace back to yer, AC.
T&K.
"Disappointing this off-topic flame was scored 2 'insightful'. Reflects the bias and lack of professionalism on the part of many reviewers."
Not a flame, just a perfectly valid response to the statement "I'm afraid you understand neither FreeBSD's design or the fundamental issues of working with Java (on any platform)." The guy could have said something about the BSD design philosophy, summarised the problems of Java on BSD or any platform, but no, "you just don't understand". Dismissive and elitist.
BTW, expecting professionalism on the part of
"What the poster and reviewers probably aren't aware of is how little effort it takes to add the latest Perl via FreeBSD's ports: 1) cd
Great news! But wtf has this got to do with Java?
T&K.
"And yet another linux fan gets moderated to funny making fun of another community! Wow! I am so surprised!"
Who mentioned Linux?.
You have the exasperating and exasperated tone of a proselytising atheist who's just been told that atheisim is a religion, just one that worships the absence of God. For "God and atheisim" read "Linux and BSD".
"Oops, I forgot to swear in my post. Now I'll never be moderated as funny. Darn."
Nope, you'll never be modded "Funny" for far more fundamental reasons than that.
T&K.
"Not that I'm against Java, but if you want Java included "out of the box" I'm afraid you understand neither FreeBSD's design or the fundamental issues of working with Java (on any platform)."
And yet
T&K.
You are a complete fuckwit.
Verizon have done everything they can to avoid disclosing names, but the (legal) cards are just stacked against them.
What do you expect? Do you really think that there is some magic isp out there who's executives are willing to commit contempt and do jail time so that you can continue to snag p0rnz and mp3's?
T&K.
Yeah, and for an even better effect they strapped a jato unit to the frozen chicken.
T&K.
Oh shit, so that's what recursion is!
No wonder my implementation of quicksort neither sorted, nor was quick!
T&K.
"Would it be ok to spell it $CO from now on, especially since they seem to be in bed with M$?"
That doesn't go far enough, for
The favoured spelling seems to be the recursive "$<0", which of course means "$CO is less than zero".
T&K.
EBay
"I assumed, wrongly, that you might actually have something to say, Mr. Kunt. Guess not. Hope your vomit-inducing rage goes away..."
I assumed wrongly that you were just trolling, but I see that you ain't. [wipes mouth with back of hand]
"...What's tangled into this whole debate is the question of how long intellectual property rights should last. Original, and for the sake of innovation and competition, they should be very limited. Otherwise, we get into a situation in which, I don't know....oh let's say...a company owns and charges royalties on a song for fifty years. The extended terms we're living with have no link to the original intent of the law. It's just a simulacra of the intent, bought into and defended by ignorant robots..."
I take your point, especially with respect to the onset of perpetual copright for songs and music of the 20th/21st century, but I don't necessarily see a correspondence between popular entertainment and software. Songs don't require support, bug-fixes, documentation, etc. There is never going to be any pressing need for "Hit Me Baby One More time v2.0a-rc".
"...And how long should software companies hold onto everyday items, such as the Word Processor, Spreadsheet, and Calendar? According to them, forever. How convenient, for them. They get to keep making money at our expense. Luckily, though, the corporate crooks of the world have ignorant robots to defend them..."
Who's holding onto these staples of the desktop environment? There are competing versions of all of the above for sale or download. I don't have a problem with any company vigorously defending their rights w.r.t. their particular implementation of a wordprocessor or a text editor.
"...The company in question here in Microsoft. Let's examine the situation. They have a ubiquitous line of products, a monopoly. They abuse their monopoly and price gouge. They eliminate competition illegally (this is a matter of public record, is it not?). So what does that mean for their softare licenses? How much respect should we extend to the bogus "Agreement" offered by an illegal operation?..."
What are you suggesting? MS has no IP or commercial rights invested in any of its products, hence copyright infringment of their wares is acceptable? Palladium ahoy!
T&K
Can't... respond... now...
T&K
[BLETCH!]
Translation: "I want loads of stuff for free, and while I'm at it, I'll spout sanctimonious nonsense". You realise that you sound like the worst sorta snotty half-baked brat?
Pathetic.
Worthless.
T&K
I'd mod you up if I could, but all I can do is make you a friend
T&K.
Well they're bound to be dangerous to somebody.
T&K.
Back to the stone age! Cool!
- I'd be the first stone age hacker^h^h^h^h^h^cracker: I'd wait until you invented something really useful, then creep stealthily up and use my stone age nmap (a large club).
When you awoke, you'd see that I'd also defaced your site (cave wall) with crude and insulting cave paintings: "T&K h4s 0wnored ur firez!", "All your fires are belong to us" etc.
I'm so excited I can't wait. When do we start?
T&K.
"...Somehow still, I don't think you will have any trouble signing acts who will only earn 1.8 million a year instead of 18 million. Most acts are in it for the pussy anyway..."
I'll be looking at Britney in a whole new light in that case...
T&K.
He's got a five-figure user number - must be about 90 at least...
Thats very interesting. But there's one thing that's still puzzling me...
T&K
"Taking jokes too far since 1985"
Looks like you'll fit right in at NASA already.
"Meters", indeed.
T&K.