Not really, though, because I like ripping all my CD's to.ogg so I can have my own CD jukebox and NOT have to swap discs. I'm sure others feel the same way. There are legit uses for CD ripping, and not everybody "pirates".
by Nomad7674 on Tuesday November 19, @10:07AM (Score:5, Informative) (#4706230) (User #453223 Info) http://www.smartphonetalk.com/ [ Neutral ]
That's called "bending the truth". For your friend to have had a possession of iDVD without having purchased a mac with a DVD burner in built, he must have pirated the software.
Actually, this is not necesarily true. My brother just bought one of the new 1 GHz TiBooks without a DVD-R drive and it came included with iDVD. It was apparently just cheaper to have one standard build of the software for the 1 GHz TiBooks. Legal copy, no DVD-R.
I'll keep following up here:
All of this complaining is like me bitching because the free games on my Samsung phone won't copy onto my friend's Motorolla phone. It's whiny crap. They use the software to sell the hardware. It is not "free." It comes with a hardware purchase.
But nobody's bitching about copying games from one phone to another. This analogy is irrelevant anyway because the software seems to have been legally obtained - regardless of what Apple's FAQ says.
My CD-RW came with a very limited version of Toast. Does that make that version of Toast free? Can I "buy" a copy of it and then bitch that it doesn't work with another drive?
I would bitch if I bought a copy of software and it didn't work. Now I'll address your intended comment. If he has a working copy and pirates another copy so it will work with a new drive, this is clearly piracy. However, the copy in question appears to have been legally obtained.
Grow up. If you want to burn DVDs w/out using a superdrive, don't bitch that you can't use superdrive bundled software. Go buy some DVD burning software.
Sounds legit, except that this copy of the software wasn't bundled as far as we know.
Apple's site may say that the software is only available with the drive, but:
1. This may not have always been true. 2. This may not be true now, regardless of their intent to make it true. I'm sure there are legit copies out there despite apple's intention. Not every legitimate vendor can be expected to quickly yank this product when Apple decides to do things differently.
None of what you posted proves that his software was pirated. At the worst, he is using a legit copy in a way that was not intended by the license agreement. Guess we ought to string 'em up.
If I'm reading you correctly, see my post below about assuming piracy. Something about character assassination, etc. I'm not too clear on the details right now. Thanks.
What is the problem here? Why is this so controversial? Chill out people. The copy is legit. Are you so ready to take the moral high ground that you assume this guy's a criminal?
So you don't like piracy. We are all very happy to hear that. Guess what, though? This isn't a case of pirated software. So bugger off!
"Yeah the page says 'Upgrade' but its the full application...I"
This is important. According to this statement, the application will install and function regardless of whether a previous version is present. If you're going to flame, at least read the original post.
I hope you're joking. Do you sincerely believe that a corporation would not misrepresent the safety level of it's products? I suppose you think cigarettes are good for people.
See also: Ford/Firestone See also: prwatch.org
I won't dispute that the media hypes things. It's hard to read between the lines and get the real story.
I can do it for about 35k a year. I can only assume I'll be working from home.
Seriously, I think the idea could work, but it would really have to be done by games enthusiasts. The sort of people that know that Linux supports a parallel port-hacked SNES controller. If the site was just an evangelical site I don't think the momentum would last.
Warning: If I see another Evo vs Creation thread I will club a baby seal.
Here's the way I see it. God may or may not exist. If it does, it set up a progression system for life forms we refer to as evolution. If not, the system "just happened" or there was some other form of intervention (alien genetic testing, if that makes everyone happy). I might be leaving something out.
Teaching the process of how life forms mutate and change over generations does not seem so terribly controversial, and does not seem to preclude any particular religious beliefs. But we also have that nasty "separation" deal that keeps Biblical verses out of schools. I feel that this should be respected, lest we slip further away from true religious freedom.
I think it's fine if a teacher implies that a divine being created the mechanics that explain our presence and conciousness. But I would draw the line at a literal interpretation of Genesis. There's room for all kinds of beliefs here, and I don't think there's any need to dictate the one "true" belief in public schools. Let's not forget what happens in countries like Nigeria and Afghanistan when this stuff becomes law. I know that's an extreme example, but I feel that it is valid.
Thanks for reading this far. I really would like to see this become resolved for others as it has been for me. I'm not holding my breath.:)
Oh, yeah, those 2600 carts were so much more reliable than the NES carts.
But seriously, I've broken Atari carts by putting them in the console, and turning the console on. It is my opinion that Atari 'ware was quite prone to breakage. I think this was because of the pricing competition among manufacturers. This was one nice thing about Nintendo's "quality seal" licensing program: It seems to have resulted in a consistent level of quality with their hardware and software.
BTW, instead of blowing on NES carts, try the following. Assuming you are using one of the original units (cart inserts, then 'locks down'):
1. Insert cart and lock. 2. Turn on power. Hey, it's not working... 3. Turn off power (this seems important). 4. Leave the cart inserted, and wiggle it vigorously left and right about 10-20 times. The little notch at the top of the cart helps here. 5. Try the power. It should work now.
If it still doesn't work, you'll need to clean the contacts. Hope this info helps somebody.
Totally. Not only do we have the ultimate in comfort and reliability, but 10 of the most action-packed, jaw dropping titles ever released for home entertainment computer machine devices!
I just wish it came with ET and Custer's Revenge...
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Not everyone is so sweet on PCP&C as you would expect. I personally just had one of theirs murder my KT7A-RAID, along with all 3 DIMMS that were installed. I'm just glad the proc, cards, and drive all lived. Along with a couple of other bad experiences, my $250 upgrade is up to about $600 now. At least I may be able to get a refund, but we'll see. I've got an RMA and I'm shipping it today.
I was wary of even using it in the first place, and there're two things I didn't like. There was no switch, and there was no vent on the bottom. I know a switch isn't technically necessary, but I really like the idea of switching off my PSU and leaving it plugged in while I tinker (grounding...). And the vent is kind of important, since the proc sits right under it...
And yes, I took all due precaution, and no, there is no obvious indicator that it is for a Dell (which are wired differently). Try a Google groups search for more experiences. No link, no time. Sorry.
> 40fps is nice when you are walking around, but when 50 guys walk in the room and fire rockets at you that 40fps takes a quick dive really fast. In fact, if the fps drops low enough your computer might even slow down also which would prevent you from dodging those rockets.
Very true, all of it. I just hope that's a big room.:)
I don't know, I personally get a headache at anything lower than 40 fps. My friends think I'm insane, but I belive that frames can never be _too_ high. It just seems to get smoother the higher they go. I have no doubt that the guy was able to play UT, but he did have a Voodoo 3, which that game was just about written for specifically. If he were to play on an 800Mhz or so proc with a recent video card (or the best possible voodoo setup) he would be able to tell the difference, I'll bet.
I think that ex-console gamers have it the worst. Since they're just used to having the game look good, the PC versions might seem choppy (since they will rarely configure themselves). Then they learn about tweaking and become obsessed or whatever. Or maybe I'm just projecting.:)
Fuck The Creationists Trash Talk Ah yeah, here we go again! Damn! This is some funky shit that I be laying down on your ass. This one goes out to all my homey's working in the field of evolutionary science. Check it!
Verse 1 Fuck the damn creationists, those bunch of dumb-ass bitches, every time I think of them my trigger finger itches. They want to have their bullshit, taught in public class, Stephen J. Gould should put his foot right up their ass. Noah and his ark, Adam and his Eve, straight up fairy stories even children don't believe. I'm not saying there's no god, that's not for me to say, all I'm saying is the Earth was not made in a day.
Chorus Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck the Creationists.
Trash Talk Break it down. Ah damn, this is a funky jam! I'm about ready to kick this bitch back in. Check it.
Verse 2 Fuck the damn creationists I say it with authority, because kicking their punk asses be me paramount priority. Them wack-ass bitches say, "evolution's just a theory", they best step off, them brainless fools, I'll give them cause to fear me. The cosmos is expanding every second, every day, but their minds are shrinking as they close their eyes and pray. They call their bullshit science like the word could give them cred, if them bitches be scientists then cap me in the head.
Chorus
Trash Talk Bass! Bring that shit in! Ah yeah, that's right, fuck them all motherfuckers. Fucking punk ass creationists trying to set scientific thought back 400 years. Fuck that! If them superstitious motherfuckers want to have that kind of party, I'm going to put my dick in the mashed potatoes. Fucking creationists. Fuck them.
I think you misunderstand. Forget piracy. Our friend was saying music is bad and people don't buy it. If music was better, people would buy it.
To clarify further, let's say an album comes out that I don't want to hear. Say, the soundtrack to Attack of the Clones. Since I don't want to hear it, I won't buy it. Also, since I don't want to hear it, I won't download it or have a friend make a copy. I won't listen to it at all.
I know that's complicated, so give it a few minutes to soak in.
Method for ensuring intellectual property rights for a device or process
Abstract
A method that will interactively assess the unique quality of property claims and grant intellectual property rights if the claims can be substantiated. The claims shall be directed toward the central office (hereafter "84b9734") by the requesting party (hereafter "4276fs84"). At this office an inspector (hereafter "yqr7334") shall attempt to assess the veracity of the claims placed by 4276fs84. In the event the claims are approved by yqr7334, 4276fs84 shall be granted a time-limited monopoly over the concept, allowing 4276fs84 to license the concept to other entities that shall wish to use it, including party 84b9734.
"If a website can't live without the financial bonus of popup ads, then it's dead anyway."
Definitely. Have you ever done a search for something on google, and found the site is 404? Then you look at the cache, and there's some pathetic plea to click on the ads or whatever? I can't help but smile in these situations. If a site relies on pop-ups, I hope it does go away. It's a good lesson for the rest of them.
Sell a product, solicit donations, or have a subscription model. But don't rely on advertising. If your site is really important, it will stay. Otherwise, well, guess you'll have to find another hobby.
It is immensely enjoyable to me to know that I am frustrating advertisers by running AtGuard, disabling graphics at work, blocking all 3rd party cookies, whatever. Data on the web is free for all unless you explicity prevent that. Nobody is obligated to view something, regardless of the television industry's delusional fantasies.
So go ahead, stop writing those checks, advertisers. I can always find something else to do with my time.
"P.S. -- I don't know if this argument is convincing in a court of law, so it is probably worthless. And if you try this at home, you implicitly hold me blameless for trying it.
While I agree with the rest of your comment wholeheartedly, I do find this bit amusing.
Slashdot Mirror
Not really, though, because I like ripping all my CD's to .ogg so I can have my own CD jukebox and NOT have to swap discs. I'm sure others feel the same way. There are legit uses for CD ripping, and not everybody "pirates".
Some competing views from the above:
s /A ppleStore.woa/164/wo/GIySX0RXpB1w4aJX2g/1.3.0.3.27 .8.3.11.13.0
You can buy an iDVD 2.1 upgrade
by Hanul on Tuesday November 19, @10:01AM (Score:1) (#4706178)
(User #533254 Info) [ Neutral ]
$19.95 at the Apple store. Description says explicitly that the software requires an built-in Apple SuperDrive.
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObject
and...
by Nomad7674 on Tuesday November 19, @10:07AM (Score:5, Informative) (#4706230)
(User #453223 Info) http://www.smartphonetalk.com/ [ Neutral ]
That's called "bending the truth". For your friend to have had a possession of iDVD without having purchased a mac with a DVD burner in built, he must have pirated the software.
Actually, this is not necesarily true. My brother just bought one of the new 1 GHz TiBooks without a DVD-R drive and it came included with iDVD. It was apparently just cheaper to have one standard build of the software for the 1 GHz TiBooks. Legal copy, no DVD-R.
I'll keep following up here:
All of this complaining is like me bitching because the free games on my Samsung phone won't copy onto my friend's Motorolla phone. It's whiny crap. They use the software to sell the hardware. It is not "free." It comes with a hardware purchase.
But nobody's bitching about copying games from one phone to another. This analogy is irrelevant anyway because the software seems to have been legally obtained - regardless of what Apple's FAQ says.
My CD-RW came with a very limited version of Toast. Does that make that version of Toast free? Can I "buy" a copy of it and then bitch that it doesn't work with another drive?
I would bitch if I bought a copy of software and it didn't work. Now I'll address your intended comment. If he has a working copy and pirates another copy so it will work with a new drive, this is clearly piracy. However, the copy in question appears to have been legally obtained.
Grow up. If you want to burn DVDs w/out using a superdrive, don't bitch that you can't use superdrive bundled software. Go buy some DVD burning software.
Sounds legit, except that this copy of the software wasn't bundled as far as we know.
Apple's site may say that the software is only available with the drive, but:
1. This may not have always been true.
2. This may not be true now, regardless of their intent to make it true. I'm sure there are legit copies out there despite apple's intention. Not every legitimate vendor can be expected to quickly yank this product when Apple decides to do things differently.
None of what you posted proves that his software was pirated. At the worst, he is using a legit copy in a way that was not intended by the license agreement. Guess we ought to string 'em up.
I think I see what you mean.
If I'm reading you correctly, see my post below about assuming piracy. Something about character assassination, etc. I'm not too clear on the details right now. Thanks.
What is the problem here? Why is this so controversial? Chill out people. The copy is legit. Are you so ready to take the moral high ground that you assume this guy's a criminal?
So you don't like piracy. We are all very happy to hear that. Guess what, though? This isn't a case of pirated software. So bugger off!
Quoting the original poster:
"Yeah the page says 'Upgrade' but its the full application...I"
This is important. According to this statement, the application will install and function regardless of whether a previous version is present. If you're going to flame, at least read the original post.
I hope you're joking. Do you sincerely believe that a corporation would not misrepresent the safety level of it's products? I suppose you think cigarettes are good for people.
See also: Ford/Firestone
See also: prwatch.org
I won't dispute that the media hypes things. It's hard to read between the lines and get the real story.
I can do it for about 35k a year. I can only assume I'll be working from home.
Seriously, I think the idea could work, but it would really have to be done by games enthusiasts. The sort of people that know that Linux supports a parallel port-hacked SNES controller. If the site was just an evangelical site I don't think the momentum would last.
Warning: If I see another Evo vs Creation thread I will club a baby seal.
:)
Here's the way I see it. God may or may not exist. If it does, it set up a progression system for life forms we refer to as evolution. If not, the system "just happened" or there was some other form of intervention (alien genetic testing, if that makes everyone happy). I might be leaving something out.
Teaching the process of how life forms mutate and change over generations does not seem so terribly controversial, and does not seem to preclude any particular religious beliefs. But we also have that nasty "separation" deal that keeps Biblical verses out of schools. I feel that this should be respected, lest we slip further away from true religious freedom.
I think it's fine if a teacher implies that a divine being created the mechanics that explain our presence and conciousness. But I would draw the line at a literal interpretation of Genesis. There's room for all kinds of beliefs here, and I don't think there's any need to dictate the one "true" belief in public schools. Let's not forget what happens in countries like Nigeria and Afghanistan when this stuff becomes law. I know that's an extreme example, but I feel that it is valid.
Thanks for reading this far. I really would like to see this become resolved for others as it has been for me. I'm not holding my breath.
*grin*
Oh, yeah, those 2600 carts were so much more reliable than the NES carts.
But seriously, I've broken Atari carts by putting them in the console, and turning the console on. It is my opinion that Atari 'ware was quite prone to breakage. I think this was because of the pricing competition among manufacturers. This was one nice thing about Nintendo's "quality seal" licensing program: It seems to have resulted in a consistent level of quality with their hardware and software.
BTW, instead of blowing on NES carts, try the following. Assuming you are using one of the original units (cart inserts, then 'locks down'):
1. Insert cart and lock.
2. Turn on power. Hey, it's not working...
3. Turn off power (this seems important).
4. Leave the cart inserted, and wiggle it vigorously left and right about 10-20 times. The little notch at the top of the cart helps here.
5. Try the power. It should work now.
If it still doesn't work, you'll need to clean the contacts. Hope this info helps somebody.
Totally. Not only do we have the ultimate in comfort and reliability, but 10 of the most action-packed, jaw dropping titles ever released for home entertainment computer machine devices!
I just wish it came with ET and Custer's Revenge...
Wow, it's almost suspiciously poorly written.
*eerie music*
Well, I certainly wouldn't put it past them.
Not everyone is so sweet on PCP&C as you would expect. I personally just had one of theirs murder my KT7A-RAID, along with all 3 DIMMS that were installed. I'm just glad the proc, cards, and drive all lived. Along with a couple of other bad experiences, my $250 upgrade is up to about $600 now. At least I may be able to get a refund, but we'll see. I've got an RMA and I'm shipping it today.
I was wary of even using it in the first place, and there're two things I didn't like. There was no switch, and there was no vent on the bottom. I know a switch isn't technically necessary, but I really like the idea of switching off my PSU and leaving it plugged in while I tinker (grounding...). And the vent is kind of important, since the proc sits right under it...
And yes, I took all due precaution, and no, there is no obvious indicator that it is for a Dell (which are wired differently). Try a Google groups search for more experiences. No link, no time. Sorry.
Great points, all of them.
Say, how's Unreal Tournament 2003 treating you?
Hmm, looks like you had a few extra words in there. Let's change:
:)
If you want to criticize the Mac platform, a better place to start is the lack of cheap or free software.
to
If you want to criticize the Mac platform, a better place to start is the software.
Okay, that looks a little better now.
LOL>OLOLOLKOLKOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn't know you were so funny. Thanks for the laugh.
> 40fps is nice when you are walking around, but when 50 guys walk in the room and fire rockets at you that 40fps takes a quick dive really fast. In fact, if the fps drops low enough your computer might even slow down also which would prevent you from dodging those rockets.
:)
Very true, all of it. I just hope that's a big room.
I don't know, I personally get a headache at anything lower than 40 fps. My friends think I'm insane, but I belive that frames can never be _too_ high. It just seems to get smoother the higher they go. I have no doubt that the guy was able to play UT, but he did have a Voodoo 3, which that game was just about written for specifically. If he were to play on an 800Mhz or so proc with a recent video card (or the best possible voodoo setup) he would be able to tell the difference, I'll bet.
:)
I think that ex-console gamers have it the worst. Since they're just used to having the game look good, the PC versions might seem choppy (since they will rarely configure themselves). Then they learn about tweaking and become obsessed or whatever. Or maybe I'm just projecting.
Maybe they were just tired of being mistaken for the geeks?
*ducks*
Again quoting the hawkman (mchawking.com)
Fuck The Creationists
Trash Talk
Ah yeah, here we go again!
Damn! This is some funky shit that I be laying down on your ass.
This one goes out to all my homey's working in the field of
evolutionary science.
Check it!
Verse 1
Fuck the damn creationists, those bunch of dumb-ass bitches,
every time I think of them my trigger finger itches.
They want to have their bullshit, taught in public class,
Stephen J. Gould should put his foot right up their ass.
Noah and his ark, Adam and his Eve,
straight up fairy stories even children don't believe.
I'm not saying there's no god, that's not for me to say,
all I'm saying is the Earth was not made in a day.
Chorus
Fuck, fuck, fuck,
fuck the Creationists.
Trash Talk
Break it down.
Ah damn, this is a funky jam!
I'm about ready to kick this bitch back in.
Check it.
Verse 2
Fuck the damn creationists I say it with authority,
because kicking their punk asses be me paramount priority.
Them wack-ass bitches say, "evolution's just a theory",
they best step off, them brainless fools, I'll give them cause to fear me.
The cosmos is expanding every second, every day,
but their minds are shrinking as they close their eyes and pray.
They call their bullshit science like the word could give them cred,
if them bitches be scientists then cap me in the head.
Chorus
Trash Talk
Bass!
Bring that shit in!
Ah yeah, that's right, fuck them all motherfuckers.
Fucking punk ass creationists trying to set scientific thought back 400 years.
Fuck that!
If them superstitious motherfuckers want to have that kind of party,
I'm going to put my dick in the mashed potatoes.
Fucking creationists.
Fuck them.
Close
Pssh.
Yeah, tell me about it.
I think you misunderstand. Forget piracy. Our friend was saying music is bad and people don't buy it. If music was better, people would buy it.
To clarify further, let's say an album comes out that I don't want to hear. Say, the soundtrack to Attack of the Clones. Since I don't want to hear it, I won't buy it. Also, since I don't want to hear it, I won't download it or have a friend make a copy. I won't listen to it at all.
I know that's complicated, so give it a few minutes to soak in.
See this?
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I just gave you "The Finger"
Abstract
A method that will interactively assess the unique quality of property claims and grant intellectual property rights if the claims can be substantiated. The claims shall be directed toward the central office (hereafter "84b9734") by the requesting party (hereafter "4276fs84"). At this office an inspector (hereafter "yqr7334") shall attempt to assess the veracity of the claims placed by 4276fs84. In the event the claims are approved by yqr7334, 4276fs84 shall be granted a time-limited monopoly over the concept, allowing 4276fs84 to license the concept to other entities that shall wish to use it, including party 84b9734.
"If a website can't live without the financial bonus of popup ads, then it's dead anyway."
Definitely. Have you ever done a search for something on google, and found the site is 404? Then you look at the cache, and there's some pathetic plea to click on the ads or whatever? I can't help but smile in these situations. If a site relies on pop-ups, I hope it does go away. It's a good lesson for the rest of them.
Sell a product, solicit donations, or have a subscription model. But don't rely on advertising. If your site is really important, it will stay. Otherwise, well, guess you'll have to find another hobby.
It is immensely enjoyable to me to know that I am frustrating advertisers by running AtGuard, disabling graphics at work, blocking all 3rd party cookies, whatever. Data on the web is free for all unless you explicity prevent that. Nobody is obligated to view something, regardless of the television industry's delusional fantasies.
So go ahead, stop writing those checks, advertisers. I can always find something else to do with my time.
You sez:
"P.S. -- I don't know if this argument is convincing in a court of law, so it is probably worthless. And if you try this at home, you implicitly hold me blameless for trying it.
While I agree with the rest of your comment wholeheartedly, I do find this bit amusing.