The same argument works in the opposite direction, the guy who 'discovered' AGW 100yrs ago thought it would take thousands of years for man to double the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere (he was way off because he used 1896 figures and assumed they would remain fairly static). There is no doubt that up to this point the industrial revolution has been benifitial to mankind, there is also no doubt that it has resulted in the sixth great exitinction. Sure you can forge ahead and keep ignoring the unintended cosequences that are right under your nose but why court disaster when you have a choice?
Do not limit the potential for our children based on the archaic limitations that we face today.
Yes, that's the whole point of TFA, degredation of the environment is a limiting factor not just for our current civilization but for all forms of life. The question is, do we continue to act like fermenting yeast in a jar, or do we use our brains and do something about it?
Yes 80 tons is what I was taught at school in the 60's but even then they had to have the big ones permentently wading in water to support that weight, canivorous versions were lighter but still portrayed with all the speed and agility of a giant land turtle. A book at the library talked about the possibly of dinosaurs still existing in the tropical forests of Venus!
In the late 90's I started debunking mis-information about climate science on/. Back then giving an informative answer about AGW was often moderated troll or flamebait . I don't know that I changed a single mind (other than my own and my father's) but 10yrs later the world (and/.) has turned 180deg on the subject, the people to thank for that remarkable turnaround are the climate scientists themselves who (despite the stereotype) have done a remarkable job of communicating their work. Even more remarkable when you consider they have been fighting to be heard over powerful vested interests that have created and funded over 50 non-think-tanks in K-street that actively seek to discredit them and their work using sophisticated propganda, character assasination of those at the top of the field, half truths, red-herrings, perversion of the justice system, and plain old bullshit.
If you can make a small child understand, you've got some hope of making an adult creationist understand
Nope, much simpler to make a child understand, they have far less religious baggage and a maleable worldview. Adult creationists were brainwashed into their position as a child so it takes more than plain reasoning to get them to let go of their baggage. A brainwashed kid grows and joins the adult army of 'useful idiots', which is why certain groups don't want things like evolution or climate science taught in schools (it inteferes with their recuriting methods).
Here's a video about it from a legendary science communicator,who IIRC had something to do with giving us our modern definition of a 'field'. As suggested in the short video, magnetisim and electricity are related and you can "go a little deeper" as you have done. However neither Feynman or yourself can answer the question (although Feynman was smart enough to know he couldn't).
study-experiment-test-learn applies to the way we teach just as much as it applies to the way we learn. Fully agree, it's not very accurate, but imperfect does not mean useless and it's the only practical measure we have. Of course people who failed to commit the scientific method to memory through rote learning may disagree.
Keep in mind in World War II, the accuracy of bombing was so poor that they sometimes bombed the wrong city.
Dressden was systematically fire bombed, they diliberately created a huge fire in the center of the city with incendery bombs. It was so large it created it own weather with hurricane strength winds on the outskirts of the city sucking fuel, oxygen, and people into the central furnace. In terms of indescriminate carnage it had the same effect as an atomic bomb, but over a 2 day period.
Apologists for this atrocity will continue to point to the few factories and soldiers in what was essentially a university city where the population were largely opposed to Hitler. Large scale atrocities were commited by boths sides during WW2 that's just basic history, the 'stanford prison experiment' gives us a glimpse as to why we have been repeating that kind of history for thousands of years.
No matter how you spin it, the fire bombing of Dresden and subsequent incineration of 250K civilians was an atrocity that should not have happened, nearly every historian agrees it made no military sense. Face facts, it was an immoral and spiteful target by anyone's standards, you just need to grow up and accept that we can be (and often are) every bit as 'evil' as our percieved enemies, (and I offer the fact that you consider Dressden a 'valid target' as proof of that last claim).
One thing I have noticed is that bipolar people who lack any employable skills/qualifications (eg my ex-wife of 20yrs) tend to be strongly attracted to the idea of being a counsellor and firmly believe they can 'fix' other people's mental problems, expecially when they are in the "up" phase. Since anyone can call themselves a counsellor without any formal training, that's what they do. Some may say that this is an undesirable situation but from my anecdotal observations I think keeping all the nutters busy talking to each other is ultimately a huge benifit to society
Smitts won't let any independent scientists validate his claims.
I hate to see a novice troll go hungry, so here's a little treat for you. - Why are you hiding YOUR evidence? Why won't you let anyone validate YOUR claims?
Note I am neither American nor am I an aviation freak, however I'm an old fart and she was often singled out as a role model for the women's liberation movement during the 70's so it's not surprising a lot of people know here story. Also fame does not correlate well with achivement and probably never will, or as John Lennon put it "The Beatles are more popular than Jesus".
It does, it's all in the way you read the map, for example in a traditional topology map you can see valleys AND you can see hills, does the fact that erosion exits mean the hills are getting smaller or the valleys are getting wider? The global trend is currently toward deforestation so the article takes that as the background context, there is no need to feel your nation has been slandered. Look up "how to grow a rainforest" on TED talks if you're really interested in seeing how this technology has been used exactly as you propose for last 20yrs and with spectacular results.
Despite our best attempts to eliminate trees there are still vast and physically remote areas of the planet that are chock full 'em. In some of these areas illegal logging and clearing occurs on a massive scale, (which for some bizzare reason is often estimated in units of footy fields lost per minute). Surveys such as this provide a valuable tool for answering such questions as; Who's stealing the people's (or plantation owner's) property? Where is poverty, neglect, or overuse causing a detrimental impact to both people and environment? How can we make best use of our aid/environment dollar to try and reverse, or at least slow, the trend in the fastest growing areas?
Yes I understand how Sadam got hold of the weapons and to be fair I did use the caveate: "or at least when the bloated bodies turned up on the BBC". Whatever the wests true motives, those reports put a huge amount of pressure on the west to drop their military support, which they did like the proverbial hot potato.
Was the public outrage against the west's support diliberately triggered by the west themselves as a convienient excuse to isolate him for other reasons? - Occam's razor says no, the west simply underestimated him and didn't expect him to use the weapons in the glare of the press and on that particular group, but you, occam and I don't know, and probably never will.
That sort of machevelian shit hasn't stopped, since Hamas won the palestinian election* by a landslide 70% the US has been supplying arms to Fatah (Arrafat's group and Hamas' political rivals). It's was kind of amazing to see Powel walk into Arrafat's bunker when it was under siege by the IDF, not so amazing to see Arrafat pass away shortly afterwards, I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall for that meeting.
Palestinian election* - Rightly demended by the west as a step in the 'peace process" and independently judged by international observers as "free and fair". Arrafat procrastinated about having one for way too long, but when he was 'out of the way' the silly palestinians screwed everything up by voting for the 'wrong team'. The west instantaneously reacted by abandoning any pretense of democratic principle, they isolated them even further from the international economy and bombed the fuck out of Lebannon (again). This was despite the fact that Hamas demonstrated they had enough control over their forces to stop all rocket attacks for almost 2yrs (another step in the so called process).
Predictably the US media in particular took the 'moral highground' and made a lot of noise about the words "right to exist' while at the same time convieniently ignoring the actual deeds that were happening on the ground, which is the exact opposite of what the BBC did back in the 80's on the supply and use of the gas(you may recall it was also smeared and attacked by all sides for doing the same thing in the run up to the latest Iraq war, Al Jazeera was doing it when they were 'accidently' bombed)./rant
Disclaimer: I have no time for grand conspiracy theories where simpler group think explainations suffice. The above rant about hamas is not support for hamas or a political conspiracy, It is IMHO support for a principled democracy and evidence that all sides have people who are willing to compromise, and all sides have people who are willing to go to war to stop that from happening, These opposing personalities are in all of us and they present themselves when-and-where ever we 'draw a line' under the amount we are willing to compromise. Ultimately results on the ground are what count, and with 20/20 hindsight the results of compromising with a ruthless dictator by taking him off that WMD blacklist should have been obvious to all concerend, the real problem is that very few were concerned until the obvious occured.
This is the country that didn't use chemical weapons in the Gulf War (the real one, the one that killed a million people) despite Iraq doing so with the complicity of the US.
I seem to recall the US (and everyone else) walking away from Saddam when he started lobbing gas shells at the Kurds, or at least when the bloated bodies turned up on the BBC..
Topolsky thought his analogy would be a knock out punch, he made the rookie mistake of not having thought about possible counter arguments before he spoke. What we saw in the video is the proverbial tale of the blind men and the elephant
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Do not limit the potential for our children based on the archaic limitations that we face today.
Yes, that's the whole point of TFA, degredation of the environment is a limiting factor not just for our current civilization but for all forms of life. The question is, do we continue to act like fermenting yeast in a jar, or do we use our brains and do something about it?
Yes, they did that crap to preserve their dominance not to aquire it. I've heard it's very difficult to abuse a monopoly if you don't have one.
Yes 80 tons is what I was taught at school in the 60's but even then they had to have the big ones permentently wading in water to support that weight, canivorous versions were lighter but still portrayed with all the speed and agility of a giant land turtle. A book at the library talked about the possibly of dinosaurs still existing in the tropical forests of Venus!
In the late 90's I started debunking mis-information about climate science on /. Back then giving an informative answer about AGW was often moderated troll or flamebait . I don't know that I changed a single mind (other than my own and my father's) but 10yrs later the world (and /.) has turned 180deg on the subject, the people to thank for that remarkable turnaround are the climate scientists themselves who (despite the stereotype) have done a remarkable job of communicating their work. Even more remarkable when you consider they have been fighting to be heard over powerful vested interests that have created and funded over 50 non-think-tanks in K-street that actively seek to discredit them and their work using sophisticated propganda, character assasination of those at the top of the field, half truths, red-herrings, perversion of the justice system, and plain old bullshit.
If you can make a small child understand, you've got some hope of making an adult creationist understand
Nope, much simpler to make a child understand, they have far less religious baggage and a maleable worldview. Adult creationists were brainwashed into their position as a child so it takes more than plain reasoning to get them to let go of their baggage. A brainwashed kid grows and joins the adult army of 'useful idiots', which is why certain groups don't want things like evolution or climate science taught in schools (it inteferes with their recuriting methods).
Here's a video about it from a legendary science communicator,who IIRC had something to do with giving us our modern definition of a 'field'. As suggested in the short video, magnetisim and electricity are related and you can "go a little deeper" as you have done. However neither Feynman or yourself can answer the question (although Feynman was smart enough to know he couldn't).
Lowercase 'god' denotes non-demoninational, ie: a god, not the God found in Bible.v1 based religions.
Aside from all that, "Chinatown" would have to be the most replicated town on the planet.
study-experiment-test-learn applies to the way we teach just as much as it applies to the way we learn. Fully agree, it's not very accurate, but imperfect does not mean useless and it's the only practical measure we have. Of course people who failed to commit the scientific method to memory through rote learning may disagree.
Unfortunately for reductionists when you take a working cat apart, you no longer have a working cat. - Douglas Adams (paraphrase).
revenge - Explains Dressden in a nut shell, but it doesn't excuse it.
Keep in mind in World War II, the accuracy of bombing was so poor that they sometimes bombed the wrong city.
Dressden was systematically fire bombed, they diliberately created a huge fire in the center of the city with incendery bombs. It was so large it created it own weather with hurricane strength winds on the outskirts of the city sucking fuel, oxygen, and people into the central furnace. In terms of indescriminate carnage it had the same effect as an atomic bomb, but over a 2 day period.
Apologists for this atrocity will continue to point to the few factories and soldiers in what was essentially a university city where the population were largely opposed to Hitler. Large scale atrocities were commited by boths sides during WW2 that's just basic history, the 'stanford prison experiment' gives us a glimpse as to why we have been repeating that kind of history for thousands of years.
No matter how you spin it, the fire bombing of Dresden and subsequent incineration of 250K civilians was an atrocity that should not have happened, nearly every historian agrees it made no military sense. Face facts, it was an immoral and spiteful target by anyone's standards, you just need to grow up and accept that we can be (and often are) every bit as 'evil' as our percieved enemies, (and I offer the fact that you consider Dressden a 'valid target' as proof of that last claim).
One thing I have noticed is that bipolar people who lack any employable skills/qualifications (eg my ex-wife of 20yrs) tend to be strongly attracted to the idea of being a counsellor and firmly believe they can 'fix' other people's mental problems, expecially when they are in the "up" phase. Since anyone can call themselves a counsellor without any formal training, that's what they do. Some may say that this is an undesirable situation but from my anecdotal observations I think keeping all the nutters busy talking to each other is ultimately a huge benifit to society
A.C. Clarke's explaination: Alien industrial accident.
He was, of course, making irrational stuff up, that accidentally happened to turn out to be correct.
Yep, he was totally making up the sea-shells found atop the highest mountains, and of course volcano's weren't invented a 100yrs ago.
Smitts won't let any independent scientists validate his claims.
I hate to see a novice troll go hungry, so here's a little treat for you. - Why are you hiding YOUR evidence? Why won't you let anyone validate YOUR claims?
Note I am neither American nor am I an aviation freak, however I'm an old fart and she was often singled out as a role model for the women's liberation movement during the 70's so it's not surprising a lot of people know here story. Also fame does not correlate well with achivement and probably never will, or as John Lennon put it "The Beatles are more popular than Jesus".
The proffessor already tried that in one episode, of course Gilligan messed it up as usual.
It does, it's all in the way you read the map, for example in a traditional topology map you can see valleys AND you can see hills, does the fact that erosion exits mean the hills are getting smaller or the valleys are getting wider? The global trend is currently toward deforestation so the article takes that as the background context, there is no need to feel your nation has been slandered. Look up "how to grow a rainforest" on TED talks if you're really interested in seeing how this technology has been used exactly as you propose for last 20yrs and with spectacular results.
Despite our best attempts to eliminate trees there are still vast and physically remote areas of the planet that are chock full 'em. In some of these areas illegal logging and clearing occurs on a massive scale, (which for some bizzare reason is often estimated in units of footy fields lost per minute). Surveys such as this provide a valuable tool for answering such questions as; Who's stealing the people's (or plantation owner's) property? Where is poverty, neglect, or overuse causing a detrimental impact to both people and environment? How can we make best use of our aid/environment dollar to try and reverse, or at least slow, the trend in the fastest growing areas?
Yes I understand how Sadam got hold of the weapons and to be fair I did use the caveate: "or at least when the bloated bodies turned up on the BBC". Whatever the wests true motives, those reports put a huge amount of pressure on the west to drop their military support, which they did like the proverbial hot potato.
/rant
Was the public outrage against the west's support diliberately triggered by the west themselves as a convienient excuse to isolate him for other reasons? - Occam's razor says no, the west simply underestimated him and didn't expect him to use the weapons in the glare of the press and on that particular group, but you, occam and I don't know, and probably never will.
That sort of machevelian shit hasn't stopped, since Hamas won the palestinian election* by a landslide 70% the US has been supplying arms to Fatah (Arrafat's group and Hamas' political rivals). It's was kind of amazing to see Powel walk into Arrafat's bunker when it was under siege by the IDF, not so amazing to see Arrafat pass away shortly afterwards, I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall for that meeting.
Palestinian election* - Rightly demended by the west as a step in the 'peace process" and independently judged by international observers as "free and fair". Arrafat procrastinated about having one for way too long, but when he was 'out of the way' the silly palestinians screwed everything up by voting for the 'wrong team'. The west instantaneously reacted by abandoning any pretense of democratic principle, they isolated them even further from the international economy and bombed the fuck out of Lebannon (again). This was despite the fact that Hamas demonstrated they had enough control over their forces to stop all rocket attacks for almost 2yrs (another step in the so called process).
Predictably the US media in particular took the 'moral highground' and made a lot of noise about the words "right to exist' while at the same time convieniently ignoring the actual deeds that were happening on the ground, which is the exact opposite of what the BBC did back in the 80's on the supply and use of the gas(you may recall it was also smeared and attacked by all sides for doing the same thing in the run up to the latest Iraq war, Al Jazeera was doing it when they were 'accidently' bombed).
Disclaimer: I have no time for grand conspiracy theories where simpler group think explainations suffice. The above rant about hamas is not support for hamas or a political conspiracy, It is IMHO support for a principled democracy and evidence that all sides have people who are willing to compromise, and all sides have people who are willing to go to war to stop that from happening, These opposing personalities are in all of us and they present themselves when-and-where ever we 'draw a line' under the amount we are willing to compromise. Ultimately results on the ground are what count, and with 20/20 hindsight the results of compromising with a ruthless dictator by taking him off that WMD blacklist should have been obvious to all concerend, the real problem is that very few were concerned until the obvious occured.
This is the country that didn't use chemical weapons in the Gulf War (the real one, the one that killed a million people) despite Iraq doing so with the complicity of the US.
I seem to recall the US (and everyone else) walking away from Saddam when he started lobbing gas shells at the Kurds, or at least when the bloated bodies turned up on the BBC..
Topolsky thought his analogy would be a knock out punch, he made the rookie mistake of not having thought about possible counter arguments before he spoke. What we saw in the video is the proverbial tale of the blind men and the elephant