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GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 Screenshot Demo
linuxbeta writes "GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 has just been released. There is a nice screenshot demo here. Also known as 2.9.90, GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 is the first pre-release intended for wide public scrutiny before the final release in March. It is packed full of tasty GNOME goodness. This release is a feature frozen snapshot primarily intended for wide public scrutiny before the final GNOME 2.10 release in March. Like the good old days of Linux kernel development, GNOME uses odd minor version numbers to indicate development status. Please check the 2.9 start page for more info. - gnomedesktop.org/node/2138"
Looks awesome, gnome rules
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Yeah... 640x480 screenshots with a shitty theme really show us the changes to Gnome.
Is it me, or does this look worse than the stock ubuntu install Gnome?
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But everything is so huge. The screen resolution looks really terrible. What is that 640x480? Did GNOme just enter the VGA world?
And I'm not sure I'd like that "Courtesy of OSshots" banner at the top. Ugly.
So my initial reaction, is, "Hey, that's cool. Where did the mouse pointer go?" Then my second reaction was, "It looks like every other window manager out there."
Screenshots are nice, but what are they trying to show us that can't be done with any other window manager?
I'm confused, according to their release schedule, this is due on the 9th. Is it really coming out 3 days early? How often does that happen?
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A screen shot in there seems to hint that we'll be able disable the annoying feature where nautilus opens new windows for each directory you select instead of the real estate saving tree view.
Anyone know if 2.10 can have a tree view for directory hierarcies?
I hope GNOME will take a step ahead and use vector graphics. Then those of us that use large screen resolutions (such as those UXGA laptops) will have nice looking fonts without a magnifying glass. I know it might be easier said than done, but this will push the Linux desktop miles ahead.
How many of the differences that we can see in the screenshots are from the new GNOME, and how many are from Ubuntu? I run Ubuntu, and it customises a fair bit of the GNOME desktop.
Honestly, I relaly don't see much of a difference.
A changelog be more useful than crappy screenshots...
And why is this news anyway? There's several hundred current distros. Wheres the news posts for all those?
Visually I can see no leaps and bounds here, so I'm a little baffled at the purpose of the "screenshot slideshow". Then again, graphics certainly aren't everything. I haven't been reading up on GNOME developments lately but what is "Assistive Technology"? It sounds like something dubious and misleading that Microsoft would promote...
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Having used gnome 2.92 in Ubuntu Hoary, I have to say the best new feature is the volume control. The old one had way to much information, the new one is amazing. It's hard to describe, but it's much better than the old one. It may not seem like a big deal. But gnome currently only has a mediocre volume control. In the next release it will have the best volume control I have ever used on any platform.
It's not my intention to knock Gnome, but I think it future releases could have a more all-ecncompassing set of system configuration tools, like KDE has. Maybe I'm just not digging well enough, or am using too old of a version, but Gnome has always seemed to pale to K in that regard. KDE is frigging ugly though. We live in a world of trade-offs, I guess.
Ouch. That comment was meaner than a junkyard dog!
There's a big space between the "foot" and "Applications" (same spacing as between other menus), yet they're the same menu?! Either glue the foot to Applications, or call it foot *or* applications. What where they thinking?
That's right. This screenshot tour is, of course, the official screenshot tour, delivered by GNOME. You can tell they're desperate for exposure - look! They posted a message to a mailinglist and everything!
Troll.
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Why would anyone bother using Linux, when a brand-new Mac can be had for $499?
Maybe you already have an x86 that you want to use.
Maybe you already have a mac?
Or maybe you don't like the fact that a Mac Mini only has a 32MB video card which can't (officialy) be upgraded, when to run nicely, OS X really needs at least 64MB?
Or maybe you prefer the various desktops available for linux to Mac OS X?
Aye. I wish linux was purtyer. I am probably going to get a new mini instead of make a machine with linux on it. OSX with it's security and programs makes it a better option. If you had talked to me 5 years ago, I would be pissing on macs all day. However, Apple has make a great turn-around and the price makes getting a regular machine and putting linux on it unreasonable.
Nice to see you again. So yeah, what's it like having been mentioned in the Slashdot Trolling Phenomena Wikipedia entry? It must be nice, but they put you in the "Minor Trolls" category. Fucking bastards. Yours is the most effective. I know all about the troll and it STILL gets me. In fact, I'm thinking about my breathing right now! *breathes*
Dear desplesda,
Are you trying to say these screenshots look good to you? Only a slob with a face even uglier than GNOME could possibly espouse such a patently absurd opinion. How you can bear contemplating your own visage in the mirror each morning is truly beyond me.
Sincerely,
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Look at the version number!!! It's one more than the other versions! C'mon! Just look!
Or maybe you don't like the fact that a Mac Mini only has a 32MB video card which can't (officialy) be upgraded, when to run nicely, OS X really needs at least 64MB?
Who told you that nonsense?
This is just about the only complaint I have with gnome. You're stuck with the same desktop pic on all your workspaces. It's gone on too long, and it's silly.
I didn't think there could be much room left for new invention in volume controls.
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Greetings, fellow connoisseur of aesthetic excellence! I wholeheartedly agree.
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Smaller GTK widgets (Maybe its just perceived, but GNOME, and GTK apps in general seem to waste waay to much real estate... not everyone has a 21' monitor..)
A decent default theme (Grey is ugly. Get over it.)
Well I guess my idea of running nicely is a little high. That and like to do fancy graphics stuff, which slows it down.
Congrats to the Gnome and Ubuntu teams. You have taken Linux from depths of desktop mediocrity and confusion and transformed it into something that real people can use to get work done.
I think OS X rocks, too, (and that Linux desktops have quite a way to go) but jeezus, quit being a "better-than-you" troll...
2.10 is actually 2.1 mathematically.
As a real question (not trolling), does Gnome have a graphical way to edit the menus yet? My primary reason for staying with KDE is I don't want to have to edit them manually.
Um... yes, why indeed would anyone at all bother using linux. You have a flawd perception as to what linux is. Besides it being only a kernel (which isn't even the point here), it is, from the perspective of many, a highly adaptive system. A GUI, in linux, is NOTHING but a front end. It has a very specialized use. I don't think you'll ever find a linux user (one that actually knows how to use it, that is) that will brag about it's GUI. They probably don't care, and would laugh at the notion. Quit trolling, you obviously don't know what you are talking about.
Everybody in the world comes up with a better one. For what amounts to promotional screenshots, you'd think they'd try to at least demonstrate how pretty it can be, even if does eat cycles and causes noticable lag / draw in. Is it just that they dont want to play favorites with the other author's choices?
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Face it guys, it's all well and good to have principles but the average joe/jane wants to have access to closed source apps on their platform of choice.
Linux advocates must also come to the hard realization that many closed source apps have superior UI's to their open source counterparts because those companies took the time and money to hire UI designers.
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I tried gnome recently and found out about this cmd to graphically quick user switch a la xp/osx. So one user can log in and leave other(s) still logged in.
.asoundrc file for software mixing with alsa, and used esd for gnome sounds and piped to alsa. I get sound in pretty much everything simultaneously, nothing holding the soundcard, but if another user uses gdmflexiserver to log in, that user will have no sound.
/. users deal with this with multiple users in the household. Esp wanting to lock out kids from ones login by xscreensaver but not locking them out from theirs.
This has some issues but what would give almost complete functionality right now, would be if the screensaver had an option to run gnomeflexiserver.
The other problem with this though, is if logged in as another user, the other users settings for xscreensaver will kick in after the idle time and bog down the other user(s). I also believe this will take over the 3d functionality of the users card and not allow another user to use it.
Also, I recently set up my
Afaik, this is also a bit of a kludge, tying another Xscreen to a vert terminal similar to some users using ctrl alt f8 for the other X session. I'm not sure if there would be a way to tie multiple users to one Xsession, but I would think it would save resources and potentionally avoid sound/video accel getting taken over by just one login.
I know this is somewhat off topic as I don't believe gdm is being enhanced in the coming future in this regard, but I'd like to know how
Xp and MacX have now had this for ages. The DE's for linux really need to catch up in this regard.
But screenshots of the next version of a piece of software do absolutely nothing if it looks exactly the same!
I write code.
I can't wait to see the ScreeShots of Gnome 2.10 Beta 2!
Absolutely right, just as five years from now Apple will need to produce yet another product to maintain it's relevence in the computer industry. Let's not forget how Apple's mainstream appeal tends to fade after the mainstream consumer market get's over the fad that Apple produced.
I mean obviously the iMac is still the powerhouse it was in 1998.
As for the $499 dollar price tag, nice move on Apple's part but to quote Mr Steve Ballmer "DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS" which I'm sure that Apple will have in abundance once Linux moves into #2 in the desktop cosumer market (thus further erroding Apple's relevence).
But hey, you keep your narrow little Mac Zealot view of the world and all the Linux user's in the world will be there thumbing there noses at your elitist crap... Troll.
Anybody here ever heard of GoblinX, a live cd distro that focuses on pretty gui's. Linux (even gnome) can be beautiful if you want it to be.
"a Mac Mini only has a 32MB video card ... when to run nicely, OS X really needs at least 64MB?"
Not only does your bullshit reek to Rome and back, but also consider that there is no amount of VRAM that can make a Linux desktop "run nicely". You could cram your video card with four gigabytes and still fail to compensate for Linux's myriad shortcomings as a desktop, interface usability and beauty chief among them.
Gray is a beautiful colour. Themes that aren't gray tend to irk the hell out of me. That theme isn't gray--it's tan. Who's bright idea was it to use a tan theme for a desktop?
Frankly, the default looks of both GNOME and KDE are rather ugly. I used to think it was just GNOME that was ugly--not only the default theme, but also most user's themes, but I've since realised that most KDE themes (including the default) are just as ugly.
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Can it edit START menu?
For 5 releases (2.4 to 2.9), I haven't been able to drag and drop a new ICON/application into the START menu bar, yet.
Last time I tried this, it involved a convoluted method of editing three different files just to borne a new application menu item within the START menu.
(sigh).
Hahahaha! And you know what the worst thing is? You probably actually believe yourself.
Here are some better screenshots of apps in this release with descriptions. Much better than the 640x480 screenshots linked to in the article.
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Ok, Now I know there are lots of people who look at slashdot at all hours of the day, but >50 posts before 12:20am EST? come on!! Get a life people! .... uh .... I guess ... I'm going to go get a life now... :P
The shit looks the same as the gnome I have now and the version before it.
Whoopty doo.
If gnome 2.10 has some great technical improvements they sure as hell aren't evident from those screenshots.
GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 is the first pre-release intended for wide public scrutiny before the final release in March. It is packed full of tasty GNOME goodness. This release is a feature frozen snapshot primarily intended for wide public scrutiny before the final GNOME 2.10 release in March.
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I want you to remember this post in five years when even the most zealous of zealots have given up on waiting for a Linux desktop that doesn't cause ocular hemorrhage.
Oh really?
Besides, I thought that personal tastes are just that. Personal.
Depends what you mean by superior. I'd agree that they're often more on target to the audience in general, but that often comes at the cost of what the more geeky crowd wants. The windows interface is well suited to, say, my non-technically inclined boss. Personally though, it seems at times that it was created by studying what I like to do and then putting in an active effort to make it difficult to accomplish. KDE fits my style well, and if it comes at the cost of it arriving on the average Joe, than so be it.
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Don't you think it's sad that in order to refute a post claiming that OS X's interface is superior to Linux desktop environments', you have to point to a screenshot of someone's desktop imitating Mac OS X?
Also, Mac OS X's usability aesthetic runs much deeper than anything you can patch onto GNOME or KDE with a simple theme. Don't be a cockcheesewad.
I'm guessing you've never owned a Mac. My iBook with its dinky 32MB card and 256 MB of ddr (before I added a gig) ran every graphical piece of eye candy completely fine until the harddrive got very full (98%). Then it seemed like the operating system swapped out a lot, causing it to be a bit slower. Even then, it was much better than anything I've seen in Windows, and its performance was still good enough to play World of Warcraft without batting an eye.
Apple can show you that minimalistic hardware can go a long way. No need for 256MB graphics cards on a daily user or an economy machine.
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I love gnome and its my preferred gui... but why can't the default gnome have a little style? Get rid of the shitty screensavers, beef up the 1994 era icons, and throw in a few good wallpapers that aren't solid colors or a rainbow on crack like this one. I realize that graphics don't matter with regards to functionality... but dammit, a piss poor interface is just a lack of attention to detail.
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That's an excellent point (which I talked about here). In fact, the reason I switched from Macintosh development to Windows development is because the tools on Windows are many times better than Apple's crashy UI slapped on top of Gnu's Objective-C compiler and GDB.
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Prettier than what? There are tons of themes out there for both Gnome and KDE, and many of them are quite pretty. In fact, I like KDE's plastik widgets more than Aqua.
But if you think that Aqua is the pinnacle of widget looks, then there are plenty of themes that make KDE and Gnome widgets look exactly like Aqua widgets.
Perhaps Gnome could use a sleeker default theme, but saying that Linux desktops aren't 'purty' is non-sense.
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as both a mac and linux user I'm bothered by both you trolls, stop being jerks and actually realize that a) both platforms have their merits and drawbacks and b) competition is good.
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I'm getting goddamn sick and tired of fan-boy posts, be they linux, mac, windows, goddamn paper tape, etc. Take the time to actually use a platform and you'll realize that it probably has its merits (yes even windows). Go out, stop trolling, and get a life. Posts like the parent and grandparent are the reason why slashdot is sometimes such a pain to read.
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type 'applications://'
He meant GRAPHICAL. If he wanted to type stuff he could do it from the command line.
I just hope they fix that godawful file selection thing. I have never found a tool so unfriendly to "power users". I mean, what's up with forcing people to browse instead of letting them type the path.
I mean having to browse through to
As you must know, Mac OS X's beauty runs deeper than the way a widget looks. Fit and finish are paramount, and you really get the impression that every behavior in Aqua is precisely tuned. No mere veneer over KDE or Gnome can match it.
I keep trying both gnome and kde every year or so, and keep switching back to blackbox, or these days, fluxbox, they just use to much in the way resources for what they give back in functionality. I seem to remember seeing in the forums a few months back the one of the current goals of the project was to trim the fat a little, has anyone who has tried it lately noticed any improvements in this regard? or for that matter any improvements in kde's footprint also?
Just curious
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There was once a day when I was in the GNOME camp. I didn't like the non-free Qt stuff. These days, Qt is not much of an issue. I still appreciate the GNOME guys for giving us an alternative but...
Why does GNOME always seem to be in a state of trying to define itself - to always be in the concept stage? Perpetually in ALPHA state.
Is GNOME still the GNU Network Object Model Environment of old?
Now, in favor of GNOME I must add: There are some GNOME apps that just rock. I really like the process list, some of the games and the panel apps. The widgets are crisp, beautiful and intuitive just like they were on the original GIMP.
The GNOME guys have got alot of impressive code. Now to use that code to form a cohesive and easy to use interface that doesn't change drastically with every point release.
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So a Pretty GUI is the beall/endall? Comon, linux functions on many layers, and a GUI is only one of them. Yes.. it lags behind your precious Darwin (of which I'm fond of, of course). But that's hardly an obsticle for the OS itself.
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This is a cool desktop. Does justice to Gnome. What did you do to get it? What theme? icons? win decorations, etc.?
Davyd Madeley's page (coral cache) shows a cute overview of the new features that you can't see at all in those stupid screenshots.
The Signal/Noise ratio can be improved in two ways. Remaining silent is the OTHER way.
I am probably going to get a new mini
Due to the astroturfing campaign, I'm not going to buy a Mac. I had been planning on getting one to play WoW, but all the +5 circle jerking made me decide on a beefy PC instead of a beefy G5.
no one cares.
button on the top left of each window?
Alright, I love GNOME as much as the the next guy. But the plain old default GTK widgets... they're just plain fugly. In my mind, that's one of the single biggest (and aguably most retarded) things that's holding GNOME back. Why have ugly widgets by default? There are plenty of ugly interfaces out there. Why should GNOME be one of them?
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"If you look through the screenshots, it is an Ubuntu install, and has a number of the Ubuntu customisations already, so it's not even very representative of what the general GNOME 2.10 user is going to get. All up, the screenshots aren't worth your time, head here [gnome.org] to see what changes GNOME 2.10 has."
WRONG ubuntu linux has changed the menu system in gnome (added computer menu etc) That can't be a ubuntu computer unless they recomipled gnome without ubuntu support and added the worst theme possible + ubuntu's there looks very nice.
I have seen uglier screen shots ...but not recently.
How are you supposed to tell which is the active window? Why are the window controls not vertically centered inside the window title bars? Why is the type incorrectly kerned? Why are random letters in control labels underlined? Is the scroll bar thumb the light gray part or the dark gray part? Why is some of the type antialiased and some not? Why is there a short horizontal line near the bottom of your "faux Finder" window? Why is there a white line on the left edge of your Terminal window? Where's the resize control on the Terminal window? Where's the scroll bar? And so forth and so on.
I thought that personal tastes are just that. Personal.
Most of the time, they are. But ugly is just ugly, you know?
I hate to say it but I just can't use Linux as a desktop any longer. I've completely switched to MacOS X for all my work both at home and at work. It gives me all the Unix goodness I'm accustomed to with a great zero-maintenance UI.
That's not to say that Linux doesn't have a place in my home, though. I currently have a headless box in my closet that's my home NFS server with several websites on it.
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Most pretty screenshots I've seen like this are just that. Pretty screenshots. They are mostly awkward and horrible to actually use to get anything done with. OSX manages to look pretty while still being amazingly useful, consistent and intuitive to use.
Hahahaha! And you know what the worst thing is? You probably actually believe yourself.
You know what, Mr. AC ? If we would judge an OS by it's looks, noone would ever buy WinXP or else, and Apple would've become world leader with OSX.
Thing is, which is not necessarily sad, but nevertheless true, that the most part of computer users are not in any way developers, nor do they want to do anything development related, nor do they wish to know the insides or power usabilities of any OS they ever coem in conatct with. And that means that usually the GUIs will not be suited for a power user.
From that point of view - developer, geek, power user, etc. - Linux could really prevail in the x86 world. And these prople also are in perfect knowledge of an OS's power lies not in the GUI, so your parent post has quite a bit of truth in it. On the other hand, a KDE GUI is much more user-friendly than many others, for the simple fact that be _very_ easily customized to one's needs. I've seen and heard many opinions according to whom this is exactly a drawback of KDE (too many places to tweak on too many locations), but I've come to appreciate this approach over the years.
I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I can think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.
Thanks. It's not very intuitive, but I suppose it'll have to do.
Maybe it's just me accustomed to the "old ways", but it seems that Gnome is following the "Windows way", that is, make it easy for the idiots and god help anyone else, what with the pretty icons and the amount of clicks (and only clicks) you need to do things.
If you want, you can even have the best of both worlds and dual boot Linux and OS X on your a Mac mini. :) Better yet, you can even run KDE and GNOME through X11, in OS X.
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XCode and Objective-C own you. Have fun playing with microsofts fun VB and C# crap.
I'm sorry, but I never agree when people say fonts on Linux look good. For instance, take a look at the "W" characters in those shots. The diagonal lines in that letter are thicker than the others. It also happens in certain digits and special characters. Diagonal lines and curves in general are uneven. People often tell me the fonts in Linux render better than in Windows, and I just look at comparison shots between the two and shake my head at their apparent delusions, especially when comparing to a shot from OS X (probably the best I've seen from any OS...everything is smoothed, and somehow it antialiases very tiny characters without making them appear too thick or too thin).
As I understand it, Longhorn is supposed to have vector-based widgets. If cairo can be integrated well enough so that this stuff is solidly in gtk and gnome in a year then we'll have beaten MS in a very obvious visible way.
I read somewhere that this will be especially useful for graphics artists and researchers because the huge displays they use make the icons almost useless. If everything was vector based then that wouldn't happen.
I'm excited. Can't wait to see this stuff in my default Ubuntu install.
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It's not trolling if its the truth.
I never said that they did not have there merits did I? The point I was making is that Apple products tend to not have longetity for the mass market. And unfortunetly, do to recent moves by Apple, certain long time developers who used to support (for example) Mac OS suddenly decided it wasn't worth their time. Apple is trying to maintain control of iTunes, the RIAA isn't exactly thrilled with the idea of future DRM being based on Apple's tech. Situations similar to that.
The computing industry is full of great products that died due to the fact that nobody bothered to develop technology for them. BeOS and Amiga come to mind.
What is hilarious is that I was modded as flame bait because I pointed out that Apple has a history of producing trendy products (good as they are) that don't really go anywhere after a few years.
I never once claimed that Linux was superior to Mac or Windows or that any particular technology was better (I simply stated that Linux would take a bigger chunk of the desktop market and as a side effect Apple would lose it relevence), but I guess people would rather assume that I am being a Linux fanboy because I'm calling out a Mac Zealot.
Take the time to actually use a platform and you'll realize that it probably has its merits (yes even windows)
Again did I ever state that I hadn't tried it? I have tried Mac OS X, find it to be a fine system, but ultimately when I use a UNIX environment I tend to not care about pretty graphics as I focus on the console.
So now you are making assumptions based upon notions you just came up with just as you are accusing me of. But hey it's /. so everyone will just spend time bitching about everyone elses opinion and then yell flamebait after which point Godwin's Law will come into effect and someone will follow with a link to goatse, all the while trying to figure out the 2nd step, which comes right before 3. Profit.
In the old days, a release came with release notes, so we knew whether we cared about a release. Maybe GNOME's release notes release is just very hard to use, but I don't see a meaningful list of changes. And I don't mean a ChangeLog, which is meaningful only to developers, people waiting for a specific bugfix, or others involved in the project enough to be upgrading from daily build snapshots.
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And if I am wrong, guess what? I AM WRONG, no big deal, the world doesn't end because Linux didn't live up to the promise of what it represents, I'll just spend my time learning what ever else is out there, I'm a computer geek: I try to learn things.
Pull-down menus, status in upper right, drive icons on desktop, clean hypertext black on white help text, simple, clean folder view... haven't you seen that somewhere?
I know I did.
On Amiga.
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A lot of posts so far have been criticisms from people who clearly haven't used GNOME before. How about trying the software out first, then pointing out legitimate problems with it rather than complaining about little things you've picked out of a screenshot?
(No wonder the commandline is so popular among devs, no need for screens)
What about posting articles talking about features, bug fixes and enhancements. I mean, we are talking about software after all, aren't we?
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Given the relative ease of skinning with most modern window managers and desktop environments, what can anyone hope to gain by looking at screenshots?
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If there is no Photoshop for Mac but you can run it on Windows and (under Wine) on Linux, what is the incentive for say graphic design houses to still stick with Mac? (That is only one program, but still). The point is that if I am developing a product and I decide to cover two platforms, I'm going to use the two plaforms that have the greatest market share, if Windows is as 94%, Linux at 4% and Mac at %2 (these are not valid figures, just made up for the sake of argument) what plaforms do I use, especially given that the Windows and Linux systems are based of the same hardware (thereby less cost because you can dualboot your development machines (if you wanted) at really no additional cost).
There will be new room left for volume control settings so long as there is room for the evolution of audio.
As surround gets better, I can see more volume controls using a 3d environment for "speaker config" so as to configure sound settings as best suited to how the speakers are placed in a room. While it's hard to imagine more improvements in the realm of audio (other than more and more speakers are different angles) I'm sure that there will be surprising new concepts which will require new ways of being configured.
Linux is a kernel, not a desktop.
Okay, I've recently tackled this...
...and we all get what we want, I think.
There is a User Selector applet floating around, which evidences a few bugs with that approach -- an OS X style menu is nice, but I think Gnome can approach the Windows behavior much more easily (and avoiding some of the SNAFUs with the current options)...
Basically, what happens now is, you either end up running a new gdm that has an option to 'quit,' or you end up using the 'user selector,' which runs into multiple prompting issues after people are logged in... sometimes you get gdm, sometimes you get an unlocked desktop, sometimes you get both.
I think the easiest thing, *for now,* may be to rely on GDM to lock the screen and act as saver in multiuser setups, and configure Gnome to only unlock the screen on some sort of signal from GDM.
Then there's none of this multilocking BS, the admin gets to select one screensaver for the entire system (to enforce DPMS blanking or similar, and getting over the 'oops accidentally switched to user and got locked xscreensaver and can't switch back' newbie problem), and all problems are dodged except for enforcing the invocation of gdm and the flexiserver business at the right time (but this could just be a simple prioritization issue in where all the gconfd settings crap is pulled from).
No muss, no fuss, no user-selector in the Gnome desktop -- let GDM be the menu for that, that's what it's there for...
And that sounds great, you bothered to use Linux and decided it wasn't worth your time, but given your statements, I'm not getting the sense that you would feel the need to pull a fanboy statement that Apple is somehow proof that Linux systems suck (Apple made a great GUI for a UNIX system, Linux developers could learn something from it).
I'll be honest, I'm considering getting a Mac Mini at some point since the price tag is finally down to what I consider a reasonable amount, the only concern I have is that the Mac Mini will not be upgradable to Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger), but if it isn't no major issue.
That's not to say that Linux doesn't have a place in my home, though. I currently have a headless box in my closet that's my home NFS server with several websites on it.
I'm currently running a FreeBSD 5.1 driven Mini-ITX file server that I mount as a D: drive on my Windows machine and a /files on my Linux boxes (using Samba). I use it for internal web site development, file serving and as a general test system.
Hmm. That in itself might be a problem with XScreensaver.
Wouldn't it be better if XScreensaver started as root (no, don't kill me yet) and, as many daemons do, forked off to run in a user process? The root process wouldn't actually handle the screensavers itself, just the inter-user communication. Better, you wanted, you could even have the root process become an "xscreensaver" user and then allow any "xscreensaver-user" process started by logged-in users to communicate with the master. That way, you've got a master process (non-root) that can start the screensaver, and user processes that can tell it when to start the countdown (when all logged-in GUI users are idle).
Looks like Gnome got the OS/2 look-and-feel down pat.
I feel GNOME and KDE are rich in features contributed by very talented developers but to me they are both too slow and big. Enlightenment DR17 is shaping up nicely and combined GTK+2.x, the system is lean and beautiful.
This is called marketing.
Screenshots are excellent as a marketing tool, especially when a new release is nicely incremental but adds little in way of actual features. And bug fixes are just plain not sexy.
Screenshots are good. Show those screenshots around. That's how you'll attract more users to the GNOME camp!
Am I the only one left who prefers clean bit-mapped fonts?
Sure, the screenshots shown in the article look pretty snappy from a distance, because the fonts are large. But to get a lot of work done you want small, even tiny fonts. That's the whole point of high screen resolution, right?
Antialiased small fonts look awful. Compare the crisp, clean bitmaps of NeXTSTEP or even Windows to the small blurry fonts in GNUStep or the Mac. With aliasing letters bleed together , the shapes aren't quite right, etc. It gets so tiring to read after a while.
And if you turn off antialiasing they're barely legible (and sometimes even touch each other - I hate it when letters touch each other!) because no one takes the time to produce correct bitmaps for specific font sizes. (OK, to be honest I haven't seen the Mac with antialiasing turned off.) I don't even care about a zillion different sizes, just give me a couple of fixed sizes, small and smaller, that look right.
As much as I hate Windows, one thing it has going for it is that the fonts are very clean and legible with antialiasing turned off. I tried the latest Ubuntu for a while, playing with all the font settings available (even LCD subpixel) and in end couldn't stand it because of the fonts. Such a beautiful OS gone to waste because it's unreadable with antialiasing turned off, and I can't stand it turned on. Isn't readability like half the point of a computer in the first place? Or do all people care about anymore is just getting a pretty "printed page" effect from a blurry distance?
The irony is that font bitmaps are not even copyrightable! Heck, just steal them from NEXTStep! Or even Windows! (The bitmaps, that is.) Why doesn't anyone do this?
(End rant.)
Holy shit! What's that running???
Hey buddy, I've been carrying on your work in your absence.
Welcome back!!
That the *nix people are still holding on to the belief that they can compete with professional OSs by using unprofessional naming conventions, poorly designed UIs, etc. Let me relate an exchange between myself and my superior recently over the usage of Windows and *nix at work:
Me: "You know Ken, Some of our customers really only need web access to do their jobs. We could change out some of these expensive Dell laptops for really cheap Linux boxes running a bootable Linux distro. Our customers never really move around with the Laptops anyway. I could arrange a demo, if you like."
Ken: "Sounds intriguing. Let's have a look at your proposition at the next Officer's Meeting this Thursday."
[Flash forward to Thursday. I show up with a homegrown box and a copy of Gnoppix. Total cost of my venture, including the media for Gnoppix? $358.23]
Me: "So you see, gentlemen, not only could we save considerably on our own initial expenses, but we can pass a portion of those savings onto our customers which should help us earn more market penetration. It's a win-win."
Ken: "Umm, how do I change the resolution on this thing? We need to get it in sync with the overhead"
[I make necessary changes]
EO#1: "Sounds great, but what does Gnome mean, anyway? I'm confused. I though gnomes were tiny little dwarf-like people, not computer applications. I mean, with Windows, the customers know exactly what they're paying for; a Windowing system to run their computer. You say this is independent of the operating system and more modular than Windows. Can we rename it and brand the splashscreen with our own design? What are the legal implications of that?"
Me: "Sure, we can make any changes we want to. But, the way the software is written and licensed, we have to make freely available all changes to the source code if requested to do so."
EO#2: "I would have to ask our onboard lawyers about that, but it sounds like you're saying that there's no way we can keep any proprietary changes to ourselves. Is that correct?"
Me: "Yes, that is correct."
EO#2: "So what you're saying is that we would be paying our developers to work on this project, and essentially anyone else can just come along, pick up where we left off and that's that? That doesn't really seem fair, if you ask me."
Me: "Well, sir, I-"
EO#1: "Sounds like software communism. But, I can understand why it would be set up that way. I was looking for a magnifier so I could zoom in on this text here and all I can find is this thing that tells me it needs something called a 'Gok' package. What the hell is Gok, anyway? I mean, Windows is pretty straightforward, and I know our customers appreciate its intuitiveness. Windows calls it Accessibility, which makes a lot of sense, but I don't think our customers would appreciate it if we replaced their current systems with Gok, or troll, or Gnome, whatever it's called."
Me: "Sir, as I've already stated, we can make any changes to the UI and look and feel that we want to-"
EO#3: "Assuming we make it freely available to anyone who wants it. We're basically working for free."
Ken: "We only have to give up the code if someone requests it, Jim. There's nowhere in the GPL that states-"
EO#2: "What is the GPL?"
Me: "Gnu Public License, G-N-U"
EO#2: "GNU?"
Me: "It Stands for Gnu's Not Unix"
EO#1: "Okay, gentlemen, thank you for your time, but I've had enough of this. I've heard a lot about the Linux phenomenon, and I have been meaning to get with you so you could clear it up for me, but from what I see, it has a long, long way to go. Windows is already at that point, and it does what we need it to do, so I believe we'll be sticking with that for now. Gnu, Gok, a UI that looks like it was designed 20 years ago, it's all too unprofessional to be springing on our customers, even with the substantial savings you mentioned. Goodbye now, gentlemen"
*sigh* Thanks, Linux Phenomenon. There goes my next promotion.
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They probably had a look at slashdot and figured slashdotters seem to like stuff like that.
You do realize that you have, indeed, been trolled, correct? And that furthermore, trolls know what they're saying is inflammatory bullshit and don't really believe what they say, which makes them trolls, right?
Vectorized graphics are NOT always a good thing. See a great post by Jakub, the artist behind the Gnome industrial iconsets: http://primates.ximian.com/~jimmac/blog/Artwork/Sc alableIcons/
I can relate to that :-)
I was really considering the option of a Mac laptop - the low-end powerbook + edu discount is almost cheap enough. But too much of the mac 'community' is beyond embarassing nowadays. Maybe it's a new wave of rich dumbos though[*] - I wonder how many of the Apple old-timers are getting the "use some other headphones on my ipod so it's less conspicuous and I don't get associated with those guys"-type of reaction.
So I guess I'll be waiting for those 90nm A64s to make it into cheaper notebooks. Choice is a good thing.
[*] wouldn't it be nice for the rest of the OS world if OSX collected all the useless self-righteous pricks so that they would stop bothering people who are really trying to produce some useful F/OSS? Won't hurt OSX, either, as Apple is by definition beyond criticism.
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Gnome is never going to encourage people like me that aren't interested in eye-candy and bloat as long as there is only one view style, and that is, everything is bloody huge! Windows Explorer has the best details view of any operating system, and until Nautilus and Konqueror can offer a decent - and fast - details view (where the entire column doesn't go blue when you highlight a file), then I'll just stick to the evil OS from Redmond where I don't have to contend with these shockers!
From the Mini review on anandtech:a spx?i=2328&p =6
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.
"Despite what I had originally expected, the on-board Radeon 9200 is a bit of a performance limitation. I had the Mac mini hooked up to a 23" Cinema Display running its native resolution of 1920 x 1200 and was wondering why Exposé and a handful of other animations were choppy. After tinkering with resolutions, I found out why. At resolutions above 1280 x 960, the Radeon 9200's 32MB of local frame buffer isn't enough to handle Exposé of even just four windows - swapping to main memory, and thus reducing the smoothness of the Exposé effects. At 1024 x 768, it's great and it's even fine at 1280 x 960, but once you start going above and beyond that, you start running out of video memory real quickly."
Because Macs are for faggots.
The methods you describe don't work with the new gnome release as gnome has switched to the freedesktop.org menu standard and the old way of putting things in vfolders is no longer supported.
.desktop files in ~/.config.
As of now there is no way to edit your gnome menu other than by hand, that is putting
But I sure hope that there will be a solution to this situation before 2.10 comes out. If anybody had any info about a menu-editor being planned for this release I'd greatly appreciate it.
Now the FUDees become the FUDers!
Sorry, couldn't resist but.... remaining silent, by definition, doesn't change the signal to noise ratio at all, since it's neither signal nor noise ;-)
-chris
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Text on site says "OSDir Screenshot Tour of GNOME 2.10 Beta 1" First Screenshot reports "Version 2.9.90" WTF?
So after much out cry over the file chooser in 2.6, they decided to change it again. The problem with the 2.6 dialog was that there wasn't a way to type in filenames. GNOME is the only framework that doesn't allow users to type in filenames. Almost 30 years of GUI research and development had this, but GNOME decided that was dumb. Now, GNOME did allow users to type in a directory names if they hit CTRL-L. The problem with that is that it's hidden from the user.
Now, GNOME has added typeahead find to the dialog. Well, that got rid of the CTRL-L nonsense, but it's still hidden functionality, and doesn't allow users to paste in filenames.
This is just incompetence.
apple sucks because if you scratch just underneath the surface, they are nothing but microsoft wannabes...if they could rule your wallet, they would do it in a heartbeat. overpriced accessories for machines that need a lot of stuff to make them usable. mini mac ? please...32 mb. of video ram ? $75 for a minor ram upgrade ? and most people will need to go buy usb mouse and key to use it...now it's more expensive than a high end PC after all...plus they will nickle and dime you on software updates endlessly.
on to gnome...this is really easy...when are you dumbasses going to fix the menu editing that has been broken for years now ? how can an ISV deal with just adding a simple menu addition with all that broken shit ?
at least with KDE you can edit the damn menu. gnome...when are you dumbasses going to fix the menu editing that has been broken for years now ? how can an ISV deal with just adding a simple menu addition with all that broken shit ?
apple sucks because if you scratch just underneath the surface, they are nothing but microsoft wannabes...if they could rule your wallet, they would do it in a heartbeat. overpriced accessories for machines that need a lot of stuff to make them usable. mini mac ? please...32 mb. of video ram ? $75 for a minor ram upgrade ? and most people will need to go buy usb mouse and key to use it...now it's more expensive than a high end PC after all...plus they will nickle and dime you on software updates endlessly.
And still no customizable toolbars, what a shame. So much precious screenspace wasted and no way to configure them. Imagine, W*ndows had that feature since -95.
http://archonon.sytes.net/
these screenshots are pointless/ First of all they do not represent Gnome but Ubuntu and Ubunty adds all their crappy and compleatelly pointless customizations to the menues. Also ther is not a single screen shot that has anything new in it except for the really ugly background the missing MIME database and the new applets icons.
Thanks a lot for wasting my time. I am compleatelly convinced that Ubuntu is never going to get even to the level of Debian. Apparently not all changes are improvements (this one is for the Ubuntu people since the rest of us already know that).
I am an avid GNOME user. It is my preferred desktop platform. However, compared to OS X and Windows XP(especially), GNOME's user interface animations leaves me wanting for more.
Rashly speaking, why does GNOME's user interface animation suck so much? Is it GTK+ that is the culprit, or is Metacity to blame? And when can we expect animations on par, or better, than OS X or Windows XP in GNOME.
Outside the aforementioned issues, it my opinion that GNOME rocks! Yes, Johnny, I'm a sucker for eye-candy!
... and I don't see the need for the extra input field. It just confuses beginners and if I really want to type in a filename, I can always hit Ctrl-L (or even /) and Ctrl-V and that's it.
It doesn't even need extra keystorkes, for you also have to focus the input field if it isn't hidden.
... esd drives me nuts. I have to kill it before I can use any sound app aside from Gnome events.
Also, sound seems to be an exclusive thing -- only one sound app at a time; I can't have multiple streams. Anyone have ideas as to why?
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So there can be no changelog, yet.
And because GNOME is more a collection of libraries an programs, you won't get a single changelog.
But you are free to browse the CVS and check out all the entries. There may be a few thousand of them.
Or you can simply wait for someone to write a review.
Or you could install GNOME 2.10 (As soon as it is released) and write the review by yourself.
Have fun!
I never did like Gnome. It reminds me of those big utility crayons you give to first-graders to teach them dexterity.
Enlightenment. Now that's a man's GUI.
- IP
you can save the values of the various controls to file using the alsactl utility. You could then build a graphical widget that executed this utility that saved / loaded the different configurations you want. Somethink like Tk/Tcl could be used for the GUI part.
Another alternative might be to use the amixer utility. You could use a script to swap the volume values of the appropriate channels. eg, the script follows these steps (1) store the volume level of control 1, (2) store the volume level of control 2, (3) load the stored control 1 volume into control 2, (4) load the stored control 2 volume into control 1. Again, you could put a GUI wrapper around it to make it a mouse click.
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I had this problem too (changing line-width), so i stopped using lines. Only shapes.
For example: if you want to draw a red square with red outlines, you draw a red square WITHOUT outlines, then you draw a slightly bigger black square, and you arrange it behind de red square.
Works for me.
Hi,
The Next Guy here!
I just have to tell you that I fucking hate GNOME so stop telling everyone I love it as much as you do.
Thanks
T N Guy
It's because you're using an inferior operating system.
I thought it was frozen! ;)
There's some stuff that tells about the great new Places menu that would duplicate the bookmark feature Nautilus 1.x had - only better.
Here's my only complaint of Nautilus: I really like the spatial view, but there's no bookmarks menu for it. I don't use Nautilus to draw desktop, so I can't exactly plop shortcuts to desktop, either. I start up Nautilus at computer:///, and it's an annoying special folder where I can't put any of my own bookmarks. I so hope bookmarks finally get there in 2.10.
Of course, with my luck, the Places will only appear on the damn desktop menubar, which I don't use either... but I hope Nautilus' Places menu will have same entries.
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
In Bob we trust.
This is trollery, but it's all true.
There is something wrong with the Gnome menu: the 'Internet' command has a submenu. The concept 'Internet' is tied to the browser in the average Joe's mind. So it should have been that 'Internet' should open Firefox/Mozilla. When one is on the Internet, 99.99% is on some browser.
There are many other things like this, like:
-'Image Viewer' is not the name of an application. Which Image Viewer?
-terminal server/bittorrent is not 'internet' (in average Joe's mind).
-the office submenu is litterred with 'openoffice.org' in front of every command.
-what is 'Evolution' in the office menu?
-why a terminal is in 'system tools' and not in 'accessories'?
-the 'search for files' is in the menu called 'places'; it's totally irrelevant to each other.
-screen resolution is under 'administration', which is usually something average Joes wouldn't touch. It should have been under 'preferences'.
-some programs have names, some don't. For example, 'Ubuntu update manager'. Why 'Ubuntu'? what's different than a simple update manager?
-why isn't the system object-oriented? for example, the desktop context menu does not have a 'change resolution' command.
-what panel menu will be deleted when I select 'delete'? (slide 14)
-the 'help' button in dialogs should not be in the same line with 'close' or 'ok' or 'cancel', because these buttons are for dismissing the dialog.
There are probably many more usability problems, but it's not my purpose to report them. And I am not an expert on human interfaces, I am a programmer; I just apply plain common sense and know what I want.
On OS X, fonts often appear much thicker and often very blurry, and while looking pretty are harder to read. On 'doze, well... Frankly, font rendering in Windows still looks like shit.
Mac OS X does have some major advantages with regard to fonts though, as pointed out in a few other posts.
I disagree with you about the Bitstream Vera fonts. They are very nice and readable fonts.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
The new Gnome version absolutely rocks. Except smart file name completion(might be due to my previous install) everything works excellent as far as I can tell. Excellent job! I am totally impressed and inspired and feel like writing some gnome apps.
But can you now select more than one file at once when, for instance, choosing desktop wallpapers ? or must you still go through the entire rigmarole of using about 5 clicks to move through the dialogs to select each file in turn... one after the other... then the next one.... and the next...
And when in Nautilus can you now use a key on the keyboard to move your current selection between all files that start with that letter e.g. pressing the "a" key will in turn select "About.html", "Alberts Pants.jpg", "another load of arse" etc. etc. (and in this case no *NIX case sensitivity please)
In other words have they caught up with some of the most basic bits of the Windows 95 interface that made it good. Or are you still expected to click & drool at everything with the mouse ?
So go ahead and mod me troll for these comments but they're the major reasons why GNOME isn't my desktop of choice. I actually do like the idea of GNOME but I simply can't stand the amount of mouse work/repetition involved. Similarly if I can add multiple items to a list I expect to be able to simultaneously add multiple items at the same time. That's good user interface design.
And I won't even mention spatial Nautilus as that's a joke too far. It's just a wretched, wretched design. It shouldn't be on by default and you should be able to turn it off directly from Nautilus. It's a view mode and it should be configurable directly from the interface.
Kudos to Rhythmbox though as that's ace !
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until gnome and it's programs has a nice keyboard shortcut system. i will stick with windows. Linux sucks when it came with global shortcuts ...probably because IT DON'T HAVE ANY!
i like to see my IM alerts flashing in the status bar and then press some key combination when i'm confortable to read them. But with gnome + gaim, i have two options. Let the message pops on the screen when it arrives, no matter if it will cause me trouble depending on who is near my workstation, or i have to use the mouse to click the damn thing.
GLOBAL KEYBOARDS SHORTCUT NOW!
This is exactly the attitude that cased me to run away from the Macintosh platform. C# and .NET aren't crap. In fact the Gnu folks and Novell's Open Source group are spending considerable time and effort with their own implementations. You don't see a lot of new Objective-C stuff going on outside Apple, do you?
Best Buy can have you arrested
I didn't just bother to try GNU/Linux (with fvwm or KDE). I was an early adopter in 1992 originally using Slackware (I remember running around campus with a huge stack of floppies) and have ecently moved to SuSE. I have not used MS Windows for almost a decade.
My wife bought our first Apple product, a power book, about two years ago. After adjusting to its interface and learning to make it act more like a GNU/Linux window manager (fvwm or KDE) and supplementing its version of Unix with GNU software via "fink," I found it had everything that my GNU/Linux machine had plus several very important features -- the user interface was zero maintenance, automatically updated, and beautiful.
Naturally, I use GNU/Linux where it has the greatest utility. I feel for a server, the time spent configuring the system is worth the extra effort. As for a KDE-on-GNU/Linux desktop, while it is better than running Windows for its GNU goodness, the Linux GUIs are not quite up to the MacOS level yet.
I think we are all various combinations of zealot and fanboy. I am much more of an anti-Microsoft zealot than a fanboy of either MacOS or GNU/Linux. I simply choose what works best for me out of the non-MS pool.
Michael.
Linux : Mac
i REALLY hope they've improved the use of nautilus for smb browsing. It's "okay" for ftp browsing, though sometimes I have a bit of trouble getting it to accept my password, but it's HORRIBLE for samba. I use my laptop on my (Windows-)network at work, and I use samba to interact with other computers. I don't have it properly hooked up to the Windows domain server, so I manually have to enter the domain name whenever I use "smbclient". This works fine from the command line, but I've never ever gotten Nautilus to accept my domain name and password for browsing on the network. And only 30% of the time does it even ask me for my password before giving me an error.
Other than this, I absolute love Gnome (converted from KDE when I first booted up the Ubuntu live CD), and since I also enjoy working from the command line it doesn't bother me too much, but there are times I'd really like to use Nautilus for this.
If I wanted a light weight window manger I'd use FVWM. Gnome doesn't offer any more now that it's been so striped of capabilities. It's still got the massive dependancies (as bad as KDE), yet is weaker than running XP. The GTK tool kit is pretty nice, but come on, Gnome's almost worthless. The developers keep striping features that they don't feel are important and force use models that just plane stink. Everytime I try a new version of Gnome, I get disapointed that they developers don't have a clue. Oh well, it's either FVWM or KDE.
In Fedora Core 3, the Gnome desktop still doesn't properly work. You have to manually refresh to get new or changed files to be properly displayed on the desktop or in the file browser. I think there is something wrong with Gnome's file alteration moniter, but it has been broken for a long time now. It is getting VERY annoying. Yes, I have many other people have formally reported the bug.
Another big gripe of mine is how you can get the Gnome file browser to crash by checking the properties of a large file, say a 7GB DVD ISO image. Sure fire crash each time. Not sure if it has been reported, but then again, reporting doesn't seem to get the bugs fixed.
Maybe I will switch to KDE, but that would require me to switch to a KDE friendly distro. Any suggestions?
KDE has had this feature for years now! Somebody needs to write up a complete critical comparison of the two desktops. I think allot of people would be surprised.
compared to the Apple desktop.
Hear hear.
Sorry but every time I use a GNOME file save/open dialogue I realise how bloody good the Microsoft Common Dialogue control is (with the exception of Microsoft Office which has it's own version of the control which is absolute crap)
When using GNOME then not being able to type in a directory path and have the control switch context to the directory I've just typed slows me down immensely. Given *nixes tab complete feature this would be a tremendous productivity boost.
Also not having the ability to type in partial filenames (with "wildcards") and then hit enter to update the display to show only those files that match the search pattern is a complete pain.
And sorry but GNOMES patalogical refusal to make use of the filesystems hierarchical tree analogy is just plain wrong.
I'll say it again. I like GNOME but there's so much of it's interface that is so counter productive and seems to have been introduced in a "we know best" manner.
Finally I'll say it again, if an application allows me to add multiple file system objects to a list it should let me add multiple objects at the same time.
Maybe one day ?
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Jesus fucking Christ. "Think of the newbies"... "Think of the Children".
Fuck beginners. They can bloody well learn how to use the interface like everyone else. It's this principle of designing everything for 2 year old children that's made Windows XP and GNOME fucking shite.
Fuck beginners, fuck wizards and fuck you. If you can't use something leave it the fuck alone and go and whittle something.
You fucking imbecile.
Thank you, that's great.
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Does this look all right to you?
Link
I assure you, it's plenty easy to use.
Then again, I doubt that the person in the original screenshot had trouble using his system. The only specific thing I'd find problematic with that particular desktop is that he has way too many windows open on that one desktop (assuming he restored all those iconified windows), but they're probably on separate desktops normally.
Even I put more windows in a screenshot than I usually have on a desktop, because otherwise it's almost like posting a picture of my wallpaper.
I've come for the woman, and your head.
Is it just me or is it apparent that KDE has long had all the above features and more? And no, this is not a flame-bait. I just want everyone to open their eyes and see that there's nothing really new in GNOME 2.10 unless you've never ventured out of the GNOME pastures :-)
How are you supposed to tell which is the active window?
some of the windows don't have title bars. i suspect the media player is active. or possibly the unseen application taking the screenshot.
Why are the window controls not vertically centered inside the window title bars?
because who gives a fuck? because the designer of the theme wanted it that way? because the user decides what he likes and doesn't like - not redmond?
Why is the type incorrectly kerned?
it looks fine to me - but you may be more discriminating about that. whatever.
Why are random letters in control labels underlined?
they're not "randomly underlined". it seems that labels that are native to the interface are explicitly underlined, and labels that are variable simply underline the first letter unless the user assigns a specific letter to them. letters underlined more than once are sequentially selected with each access key keystroke.
Is the scroll bar thumb the light gray part or the dark gray part?
as is completely obvious to someone without an agenda, it's the light part.
Why is some of the type antialiased and some not?
again, the type looks fine to me. what part are you having difficulty reading, exactly?
Why is there a short horizontal line near the bottom of your "faux Finder" window?
it's obviously part of the selector control right below it.
Why is there a white line on the left edge of your Terminal window?
it's obviously part of the "raised panel" look of *every* (window-decorated) on the screen.
Where's the resize control on the Terminal window? Where's the scroll bar?
they're hidden, just like the owner of the desktop wants it. transparent terminal windows without decoration are pretty common on *nix desktops.
And so forth and so on.
it's possible you're just being a jerk-off because you have a hidden agenda. on the other hand, it's also possible that you're so used to sucking on microsoft's and/or apple's tits that you can't appreciate a customized desktop.
pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
Now that's good satire. I especially like this part:
it seems that labels that are native to the interface are explicitly underlined, and labels that are variable simply underline the first letter unless the user assigns a specific letter to them. letters underlined more than once are sequentially selected with each access key keystroke.
Man, i consider myself to be a moderately funny guy, but never in a zillion years could I have come up with something that crazy. I laughed until I cried.
You rock, dude.
i know, it's *totally* crazy! i figured it out, like, immediately after encountering this labelling scheme myself! it was *soooo* much harder than windows' 'pick the next available letter' defaults. and *soooo* much more confusing than windows' 'hide the letter until you hold down the shift key' default! crazy!
You rock, dude.
thanks, i'll take praise where i can get it. :-)
pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
for the love of god tell us you know what the word 'satire' means
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is the place to go.
The Internet's nature is peer to peer - 20050301_cs_profs.pdf
When Gentoo started getting all the Mandrake converts, they started spewing random shit without knowing what they were talking about.
Now that Ubuntu is the cool fad, we can see the same trend in user mentality: run your mouth without knowing jack.
[Ubuntu fanatic> MY DISTRO LOOKS SO GREAT COMPARED TO THOSE CRAP SCREENSHOTS!!
[Normal Person> That IS your distro, you twat.