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China Lights Pure IPv6 Network
plui writes "An all IPv6 backbone was launched this weekend in China. 'CERNET2 is the biggest next-generation Internet network in operation in the world and connects 25 universities in 20 cities. The speed in the backbone network reaches 2.5 to 10 gigabits per second and connects the universities at a speed of 1 to 10 gigabits per second.' Here is a link to the story in the English version of China Daily, the online news site in People's Republic of China."
Will they find content they wanted censored swapped around this new backbone?
content filtering?
Let us remember China filters websites, emails and SMS. Internet is all about freedom, don't forget it.
This will mean faster pron for all
...until I realize I won't be allowed access to pr0n and subversive documents. :(
A blog like any other.
[i]"We were a learner and follower in the development of the first generation Internet, but we have caught up with world's leaders in the next-generation Internet, become a first mover, and[b] won respect and attention from the international community[/b]," said Wu Jianping, director of the expert committee of the China Education and Research Network"[/i] is he referring to us or some other beaucrats?
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... now they can assign an IP for each one of them... next step: switch ID cards to IP cards ;)
The point is outlined in this line of the slashdot plug, "'CERNET2 is the biggest next-generation Internet network in operation in the world..."
That alone makes it newsworthy. But of course, you're right. We should not discuss news items from countries whose values systems are not reflections of our own. I hate all that pesky "world news" stuff anyways. It might broaden my horizons or something, and we wouldn't want that.
Note to self: No more arguing with the faithful.
With all of the advances going on in Asia with regards to IPv6, is this going to result in a large split in the internet as more sites appear on possibly ipv6-only servers?
Most of Europe and the US is seriously falling behind with IPv6, and there's still very little incentive to improve this - chicken and egg indeed. My employer is a large telecom with 1 million ADSL subscribers, but has no concrete plans to roll out IPv6 still, as they see no pressing business need for it. But I fear this will isolate us from the huge economy in asia.
There will soon be a time where there will be a lot if great content on servers that are only IPv6 capable, and these may slowly develop into separate 'internets'. What can be done for the rest of the world (ie, Europe and the US) to catch up on this? We may end up being left behind as asia powers ahead with technology.
But then again, Asia is where most of the newer tech goodies come from, so hopefully we will start seeing more everyday appliances supporting IPv6 natively, which could be the boost we need for full v6 support in the infrastructure.
Sparks:Gadget:Beer Maker
And what's the point with such subjectivity, hate and stupidity ?
Instead of praising these thugs we should be clamoring for an embargo and boycotting US businesses which employ Chinese scum. Maybe you would also be clamoring for a complete airtight isolation from the rest of the world ? We would be freed of your insanities.
Ho well, I just fed the troll I know.
Can't wait when Google will be available from my IPv6-only network.. ;-(
The article is nothing more than Beijing, via one of its puppet newspapers, bragging about its latest creation (likely the result of one or more Taiwanese attending US universities spying for Beijing). The network, if it even exists, offers nothing to the outside world as it only connects Chinese universities.
World news is important. Maybe we can find something more interesting to post, though, such as accounts of torture in Tibet, which might provide a more accurate picture of what China is all about.
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Well, I'm still learning on IPv4 but following previous /. story then IPv6 is a set back for China since they already adapted IPv9 to their network.
Though they have mentioned the huge bandwidth numbers, the main reason they have stated for IPv6 conversion is the shortage of IP Addresses.
When IPv4 was rolled out, we thought those IP Addresses will be enough for our lifetime. Now lets see for long these IPv6 Addresses last.
I hope it does not turn out to be Bill Gates famous joke about 640KB will be enough for everybody.
This will bring a sense of urgency to US and the rest world to roll out the next generation internet, and every human and every kitchen shall get its own IP address.
It's sad you think of it as a troll.
It's something not to forget or dismiss.
Ask the family of Zhou Jiaxiong if Beijing's torture tactics are "subjective". Accuse me of hate and stupidity while Chinese subhumans are ripping off the genitals of their peers because they are suspected of having impregnated their wife a second time.
I only encourage embargoes against nations who engage, as a rule, in anti-democratic inhumane torturous methods, not only against their inhabitants, unfortunately, who sit idly by, but those of other regions as well.
Ok, you can live in your closed world if that's what you want. And oh, don't buy anything made in China, including most garments you can find in the US, computers, cell phones, electronics, shoes, ... Yeah, there are other countries which make them too, but as far I know, their political systems are not the same as the american one either....
Well, I don't like to respond to AC, but I'm just tired of this attitude here. Sure, China has a ton of problems (I'm Chinese and I live in China, so I should know), but that's not an excuse that we can't all participate in building a better world. The chinese leaders now are very pragmatic, they still have their little problems, but that's getting better everyday. Do we need a bloody revo to change all this overnight? I'll take the current model of gradual change any day.
What I'm saying is, if you don't care about other countries, fine, just buy everything made in USA. But just get over it, people are moving with their pace.
Actually there is a tremendous difference. When the USA is found to have employed questionable methods such as in Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo Bay there is tremendous internal outcry and the departments typically carry out laborious investigations to determine who was responsible.
China, on the other hand, relies on torture every single day, without giving it a second thought. There are no investigations carried out, except maybe into investigating which of its innocent foreign visitors to arrest next.
Nice, yet another backbone that supports IPv6.
The only question is how to connect to an IPv6 network from behind a NAT based router. Connecting straight to the internet without the router I am able to establish a 6to4 tunnel no problem, but with the router in the way it is not possible. I am using a Linksys Gateway/Router.
With a nation of approximately 1.3 billion inhabitants, the only way that a government wich blatant disregard for human life and decency can actually THRIVE is because all the Chinese hold attitudes like yours -- either through ignorance or stupidity.
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As reported on Slashdot, about 8% of all spam sent comes from China. In the light of the article you linked to, they seem to have severe problems with efficiency. Must be because of all those old clogged pipes they use :7
Liar. There's less than 100 million internet users in China out of a population of over one billion. Literacy is around 90%; people in the countryside where most of the people live probably have never even heard of the internet. 75%? Take your propaganda elsewhere...
The speed in the backbone network reaches 2.5 to 10 gigabits per second and connects the universities at a speed of 1 to 10 gigabits per second.
Tell me, Mr. Anderson, what good is a high speed network if you are unable to speak your mind?
Why isn't anyone asking the question, "Why are WE not implementing IPv6 already?!" Why the hell is a COMMUNIST country implementing this technology before we do?!?!
Here's a suggestion: High tariffs for imported goods on (Chinese)companies that put EA practices to shame.
Isolationism isn't on the table, nor has even been suggested. China, on the other hand, has given domestic corporations unfair advantages and make it difficult for foreign companies to compete.
Troll feed for another troll.
From the article: One big benefit of the IPv6 is to solve the problem of shortage of IP addresses. In the current Internet based on IPv4 technology, the United States controls 74 per cent of 4 billion IP addresses, while the amount that China has is only equal to a campus of the University of California, despite its 80 million Internet users.
Although people think that with NAT all IPv4 related problems could be solved here we see a very good reason why the rest of the world could use IPv6. Most of the IPv4 ranges are in the US. The rest of the world just has to get by with whatever is left (Big companies gobbling up entire classes of IP ranges which they never really use should be obliged to gives those ranges back so others can use them).
Would this step be beneficial to the transition to IPv6? With the advent of the internet in other countries then the western world it could well be that things need to be sped up so that we will not see different internets. Has anyone done some real research on this subject? I know i keep hearing that with NAT and similar technologies IPv6 might not be necessary but is that really so given the rise of internet usage in Asia and other countries?
> just buy everything made in USA
But, but that's so expensive! And 'morals' in American mean one thing and one thing only - abortion.
*applies easy to remove 'Support our troops' magnetic sticker to his SUV*
...IPv6-sourced spam has suddently increased by 248% over the past 48 hours.
Cue the comments about shortage of IP addresses in China and how the US has almost all of the addresses. This is simply not true.
Currently about a third of the IPv4 addresses are still available, with about a sixth of the addresses used up in the last 12 years, world wide.
Current estimates (based on historical usage) give us about 20 to 35 years before we run out of IPv4 addresses, although this can be much less if new technologies get widely adopted (china and india becoming as connected as the western world is, mobile phones all getting addresses, voip taking off)
Big companies that are not even making sure that new hardware with a 5 year or more lifespan is IPv6 capable (or firmware upgradable) are shortsighted. On the other hand, companies that feel they need IPv6 now, and don't use it to pump up their tech credibility (about the only thing you can do currently with IPv6 that can't be done otherwise) are throwing away money.
CC
Base 16 hurts my brain.
'Freedom' as in 'freedom fries' or as in 'Iraqi freedom' ?
If there was any doubt about it, this is more proof the US (and the rest of the western world for that matter)is losing the edge in technology. China and India continue to develop their industrial bases and accumulate the critical masses of professional expertise needed for a self sustaining tech economy.
With cheap labor and a friendly legal and regulatory environment, not to mention a huge domestic market, these countries are taking the tech lead.
We, on the other hand, sit back and cluck our tongues as every nitwit who gets a hangnail is allowed to sue the evil profit sucking corporations who obviously conspire to kill us all for profit.
I for one welcome our new asian technology masters.
I have mod points. The reign of terror begins now.
our new Chinese overlords
Is it funny when it's true?
Might be more accurate to say "an" online news site. There is of course People's Daily, Xinhua Net, etc. etc. etc.
Seeing China as this huge, backward giant with one, monolithic information source is so 1978. I mean, really, this story alone surely debunks that simplistic, wrongheaded, sadly common view...
With IPV6 they'll be able to target you by you post code, making it easier to DDOS the fridge of a fat billionaire.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
How is saying "this isn't true" (which is a fact) a troll? Wait... wait ... do i actually care about karma? I guess not, by typing this mail (which will be moderated OT without a doubt).
Five years ago when I worked for a major backbone provider (Qwest Comm.) and as I was talking to one of the global network engineers, he was wearing a shirt that had a Qwest logo and an IPv6 network under it. I asked him if that was for Qwest's IPv6 netblock and he indicated yes. We talked for about 15 minutes during which time he explained that Qwest, along with others like MCI/Worldcomm and AT&T (and several other big names you'd recognize if I cared enough to list them all), had a "parallel" IPv6 network running across the U.S. and some of them were even passing live internet traffic over these routers using encapsulation. However, the routers knew each other by their IPv6 address space.
So, five years later, how can the poster say CERNET2 is the biggest IPv6 network in the world? I would say "prove it". I would think several large international backbone providers who had links with each other passing live traffic would be considered pretty damned big!
"Ha ha! By allowing the Chinese government to clamp down on personal freedoms (and adopt IPv6), we capitalists will enslave THE ENTIRE WORLD!!!"
free speach
Did you mean: free speech
any relation to CERN??
I mod down so you can mod up. Your welcome.
What about Internet2? What about Abilene? We have had a native IPv6 network here connecting almost 10 times the amount of schools of CERTNET2 for a few years now. How come no reporters are talking about that? China DOES NOT have the largest IPv6 network, we do, and we will continue to until someone launches an end-user IPv6 solution. And that will probably be us too, because we are cool like that.
I'm not quite sure that I agree with the assertion that this is the biggest next-generation Internet network in operation in the world. Certainly networks research and education networks, such as Eurpe's GEANT, CA*Net in Canada, and Internet2 in the US could give this network a run for its' money in size.
This network is very similar to the Internet2's Abilene research and education network in the US. The difference is Internet2 runs routers in "dual-stack" mode, meaning they support both IPv4 and IPv6 on the same device. If you wanted to connect to Internet2's backbone using only IPv6, so could do so, but almost everyone chooses to have both IPv4 and IPv6 connections
Yes I know an article yesterday said seventy-something percent of Spam comes from the US. Nonetheless, I seem to get a ton of it from Chinanet.. Maybe if they can't access our networks...
*note: meant as funny- there really are a lot of flaws in this statement*
when you see the word 'Linux', drink!
The network hit full capacity less than 48 hours after coming online. Analysis reveals:
53% of traffic was bittorrent
38% of all traffic was spam.
31% of traffic was porn.
22% of traffic was due to windows viruses and spyware.
17% of traffic was first-person shooter games.
13% of traffic was VoIP.
8% of traffic was Slashdot-related.
3% were Last Pages of the internet.
0.13549% of traffic was scientific data.
Note that Spam is 46% of all e-mail traffic and bittorrent is 43% of all P2P traffic.
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
China has been generous!
I don't moderate anymore. Karma penalty for 90% fair mods? Can I mod that unfair?
Some time ago (about a year), I called up WorldCom/MCI and asked them about getting an IPv6 address so that we could offer it to our customers (mostly as hype). Naturally, they said they had no IPv6 networks, nothing deployed, and have no immediate plans. Far off in the future.
So North America (mainly US) has no real interest in the cost of switching ALL of their computer systems, legacy systems, routers, and server systems to IPv6, so it really is a lot of work.
The problem isn't in the US where we sit on tons of IPs. Then again, why are there still web browsers that don't sent the HOST: header?
Also, not everyone is upgrading to WIn2k3 (for example)- where's IPv6 for those running NT4, 2000, etc? Where's IPv6 for old AIX machines?
when you see the word 'Linux', drink!
As far as I understand it, the idea that there is a shortage of IPv4 addresses is really a myth. I read a paper that someone wrote that came to the conclusion that even with the current growth rate (exponential) that we would not run out of addresses for another 20 years or so.
/16 please" and expect to get it it. So really I think the non-US countries like to say "netspace is limited" but what they really mean is "sure we can get all the netblocks we want but it requires some paperwork and justification and we're just bitter that old companies back in the 80s were handed out whole /8s for the asking."
I think the real problem is that these days the RIRs (such as ARIN and APNIC) require justification before allocating netblocks. That means you have to show either current usage need or plans for future expansion, or both. You can't just say, "I'd like a
By the way, here is the data I have that shows total number of IP addresses for all netblocks allocated to each country (top 10):
US 1,828,328,425
JP 117,486,311
GB 84,658,624
DE 69,438,200
AU 65,918,741
CA 64,257,591
CN 54,172,684
FR 45,387,299
NL 35,056,078
KR 34,084,629
The source for these numbers was the aggregated data from http://ip-to-country.webhosting.info/
Anyone have the IPs so I can put them in my blacklist?
Common sense is not so common.
Hmm - a company that is so masterful in the art of mimicking Cisco functionality - it even manages to replicate Cisco's bugs word for word
Looks to me you're the troller,
How the hell is this redundant? Mod parent up please... usefully points out that universities in China don't normally link up internationally with the rest of the internet. What is wrong with the moderators?
from http://www.indiantelevision.com/headlines/y2k4/de
Is this another Supercollider fiasco? Seems not enough in the US are interested in maintaining technological lead.
Last one out turn out the lights. (And don't forget your Say-It-In-Mandarin book on the way out the door.)
http://shit.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/27/0 439222
Speaking in Beijing in September, Cisco Systems President and Chief Executive Officer John Chambers said China "will become the IT center of the world."
China, the IT center of the world.
To the person that modded this Flamebait, I was not trying to be racist or anything. I was trying to point out that the "IPv4 space scarcity" is a myth, and that with todays current allocation procedures a US company faces the same documentation and justification guidelines that a Chinese company faces. The only reason that the US has so many more allocations is because back in the 80s when the internet was small /8s were handed out to companies that asked for it, and most of them were US companies or government organizations. There is no jingoism or nationality to it. It's a result of how allocations used to work and the situation is much different today.