75% linux on the desktop in the organization where I work ~100 staff. Helps that a guy like me makes all the IT recommendations. But I don't know of ANY other business small or larger in my area doing what we are doing.
By web standards for news thats a study and a statistic I used the % sign and everything!!;)
Pragmatically speaking. How hard would it really be to produce "legitimized" versions of protected software (particularly multimedia stuff I am thinking) for linux? I think an awful lot of people would pay a little bit a least for programs that work and are legal. I think these patents stink don't get me wrong, but what do we do in the meantime? Am I missing something here? Is this a case where peoples idealism is stopping production or are there other problems with making this work legally on Linux?
Your fine tuned intolerance and arrogance meter doesn't even wiggle when you talk like that? You stopped just short of saying that Americans are genetically predisposed to violence and stupidity.
interesting... perversely. People are people sport, and you just did more than you know to prove that point.
BTW I agree with the prone to violence and stupidy assessment. However it's a human condition not a US one. Which includes you and me. There is an answer however.
There is NO difference of any significance. Except who is left standing in the unemployment line. 6 or 7 years ago everyone was into computers or going into it and they were all going to get rich and they would tell you so. That entire economy was false. A virtual modern day gold rush, and now there are the ghost towns. Unemployment and cost cutting were inevitable and tech people were the most logical target. It just sucks when it you, That's all.
BTW blaming this exclusivly on the Republican party is just plain silly. The real damage was done by the greed and recklessness of the 90s and both parties participated with glee. (and with their hands out)
Of all Microsoft programs ever,
no other is so much a plague and a nuissance as Outlook.
I would also nominate Word. I wish I was paid per macro virus a couple of years ago I would have made more. I'm kidding a little, but only a little. Word is a virus delivery system as much as OE.
RedHat defaults to sendmail but has a one click converter to postfix which is handy. It coaxed me to try postfix a few months ago and I am definately not going back. It works great and did not force me to change any of the accounts. Last time I looked at Qmail and Cyrus it sure seemed like I had to mess around with a lot to get it going. Even though people swear there are advantages to that setup. Postfix is much easier to set up and administrate IMO.
I agree that there is a lot of room for growth in the area of menus and desktop icons. However the idea of making it trivial for a non admin to install programs sort of flies in the face of why I like linux in an office setting.
It's easier to control cruft and prevent dangerous/unauthorized programs from being installed.
I for one am not looking foward to the day when joe blow can find a link on the web, click it and presto! its installed. I know that is not what many of you are talking about but one tends to lead to the other if MS is the example here.
I have actually wondered what it would be like to have a machine with 1+gig of memory and then run the whole thing from memory. 700-1000meg for os and apps and the rest for conventional memory. This would not be dirt cheap but not outrageous anymore either and with the new bus speeds and 1000bt copper to storage it seems to me a rig like this could fly and be reconfigured by just changing CD's you could have a cd tweaked for particular apps or job descriptions for example.
Just a thought I've had so there's probably something terribly wrong with it.
The best measurement is users reaction to clicking and having nothing happen for 10s of seconds, opposed to clicking and having a window pop up almost instantly.
I know this because I have converted an entire office full of people over from MS to Linux and office to OOo in the last year. I have also used the beta 1.1b2. It is much better but still no where near as quick on the draw as office. I know MS cheats with its preloading but as I said before users don't care. I would use a preload feature if a (good) one existed. ( I have tried the quickstart hack but found it to be pretty useless especially in a multiuser environment like a terminal server. It is still slower loading than OOo on MS)
But it is still the best thing going for Linux that I am aware of. Hopefully this speed thing can get worked out somehow because I consider it to be the biggest drawback at this point.
Socialistic redistribution of wealth by a government.
This (all) government is aimed primarily at self preservation. This was the understanding of the founders and why so many things were written into the constitution to regulate its power. And true to form it is therefore virtually for sale, to anyone that will help it get/sustain its power.
I feel more secure already.
You would do well to learn the difference between sales pitch and product. Every truly nasty government in history came into power with plausible reasons. (except for the ones which were out and out takeovers of course). Look forward and ask yourself what this looks like 20 years from now or 50 or 100 ask yourself what percentage of your income will go to the gov to do this fine piece of work.
Then ask the big question, is this what you think of when you think life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Or of the people, by the people, FOR the people.
There are other ways to help the needy. Ways which are neglected as we try to teach this pig to sing.
I guess I can stop holding my breath then for Adobe to port ANYTHING to linux. Since MS has now officially sucked the last molecule of air from the room and now even large software companies are marching in lickstep(typo but I like it;)
If there are still those on the planet that argue that MS is *good* for the computer industry. Please dust off a few brain cells and fast-forward a few years into the future if this trend continues.
Here's hoping something good happens soon, cause this sure ain't it.
As far as dirty tricks go they have not ended. Even though at (arguably) 90%+ of the markey they certainly do not need them.
However just within the last couple weeks they bought the company that made RAV AV and trashed it. Why?.
Because they recognized that with this product customers could make a file/email server that was not only immune to MS viruses but could clean them up for the feeble MS machines on the network as well. They saw the value in that serice and thus the danger so... slash and burn baby.
When a company at the top of the pile behaves in this way it says A LOT about the culture/character of the company and distain is to be expected.
I think this is true as well. But I think the reason most people are so used to windows is that it comes loaded on everything people don't and won't change the operating system on a working computer by and large.
That is why the only real adoption of linux you see is corporate where someone else (IT) does the dirty work or they use lindows from Walmart or something.
Only wierdos like me have been using it everyday since way before it was "ready".
Microsoft will tightly control their DRM technology, meaning that DRM-only web sites will probably be IE only, or at the very best IE plus other browsers whose licenses allow embedded proprietary code.
This is the most disturbing part of this whole story for me. Disturbing because this fits so well with what has been MS SOP for years now. I guess now that the fear of the GOV and litigation have been removed it is time to take monopolizing to the next level.
Well just make a list of competing technologies that have a snowballs chance and we will see.
Not trying to be a jerk but I have not seen a lot of plausible solutions for clean/cheap electicity. And I have been listening to this stuff since the early 70's.
The argument that the poster made I believe is that SCO actually released to GPL NOT some unauthorised partner. If I publish something under a very open license I may still own it, but everyone is then able to use it under the terms of the open license. What other way of looking at this is there?
I have been using HD backup for 2+ years now and would never willingly go back to tape. Long term gets burned to plastic (also cheap). All current data gets stored on numerous HDs that are on a machine in another building to protect against fire etc.
Drag & drop backups that are fast and brainless. And the hand rolled system I built was cheaper than tape gear big enough and fast enough to do the same job.
It also does not need exotic software, at least in my case since I just use cron and a set of rsync scripts.
Easy, fast and getting cheaper every day. So I consider this to be non-news and sort of obvious and I am suprised more people are not doing it, other than they may have too much already invested in tape solutions to ever turn back.
It is not the be all end all. For example if you want fast disaster recovery you may want something else. ( But I'm not sure that keeping a synced copy of your OS partitions on a spare HD is a terrible idea.) For the places that this makes sense I can tell you its great.
That's fine as long as you don't loose the things that make it great.
Loosing the ability to run diskless terminals and remote apps so someone can squeeze out a few more frames of video game performance would be a pretty lame victory.
Plus from what I have read the two are not mutually exclusive, but I could be wrong.
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By web standards for news thats a study and a statistic I used the % sign and everything!! ;)
Pragmatically speaking. How hard would it really be to produce "legitimized" versions of protected software (particularly multimedia stuff I am thinking) for linux? I think an awful lot of people would pay a little bit a least for programs that work and are legal. I think these patents stink don't get me wrong, but what do we do in the meantime? Am I missing something here? Is this a case where peoples idealism is stopping production or are there other problems with making this work legally on Linux?
Your fine tuned intolerance and arrogance meter doesn't even wiggle when you talk like that? You stopped just short of saying that Americans are genetically predisposed to violence and stupidity.
interesting ... perversely.
People are people sport, and you just did more than you know to prove that point.
BTW I agree with the prone to violence and stupidy assessment. However it's a human condition not a US one. Which includes you and me. There is an answer however.
Tough to fire the bosses. ;)
BTW blaming this exclusivly on the Republican party is just plain silly. The real damage was done by the greed and recklessness of the 90s and both parties participated with glee. (and with their hands out)
I would also nominate Word. I wish I was paid per macro virus a couple of years ago I would have made more. I'm kidding a little, but only a little. Word is a virus delivery system as much as OE.
--- Give me a break I'm only on my second cup.
FWIW
It's easier to control cruft and prevent dangerous/unauthorized programs from being installed.
I for one am not looking foward to the day when joe blow can find a link on the web, click it and presto! its installed. I know that is not what many of you are talking about but one tends to lead to the other if MS is the example here.
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just another coffee induced hallucination
It was a very strong individual indeed that modded this insightful.
Just a thought I've had so there's probably something terribly wrong with it.
It is if you plug it in to a terminal server and loose the plastic disk ;)
The best measurement is users reaction to clicking and having nothing happen for 10s of seconds, opposed to clicking and having a window pop up almost instantly.
I know this because I have converted an entire office full of people over from MS to Linux and office to OOo in the last year. I have also used the beta 1.1b2. It is much better but still no where near as quick on the draw as office. I know MS cheats with its preloading but as I said before users don't care. I would use a preload feature if a (good) one existed. ( I have tried the quickstart hack but found it to be pretty useless especially in a multiuser environment like a terminal server. It is still slower loading than OOo on MS) But it is still the best thing going for Linux that I am aware of. Hopefully this speed thing can get worked out somehow because I consider it to be the biggest drawback at this point.
Socialistic redistribution of wealth by a government.
This (all) government is aimed primarily at self preservation. This was the understanding of the founders and why so many things were written into the constitution to regulate its power. And true to form it is therefore virtually for sale, to anyone that will help it get/sustain its power.
I feel more secure already.
You would do well to learn the difference between sales pitch and product. Every truly nasty government in history came into power with plausible reasons. (except for the ones which were out and out takeovers of course). Look forward and ask yourself what this looks like 20 years from now or 50 or 100 ask yourself what percentage of your income will go to the gov to do this fine piece of work.
Then ask the big question, is this what you think of when you think life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Or of the people, by the people, FOR the people.
There are other ways to help the needy. Ways which are neglected as we try to teach this pig to sing.
My comments were not specific to premier
I guess I can stop holding my breath then for Adobe to port ANYTHING to linux. Since MS has now officially sucked the last molecule of air from the room and now even large software companies are marching in lickstep(typo but I like it;)
If there are still those on the planet that argue that MS is *good* for the computer industry. Please dust off a few brain cells and fast-forward a few years into the future if this trend continues.
Here's hoping something good happens soon, cause this sure ain't it.
However just within the last couple weeks they bought the company that made RAV AV and trashed it. Why?.
Because they recognized that with this product customers could make a file/email server that was not only immune to MS viruses but could clean them up for the feeble MS machines on the network as well. They saw the value in that serice and thus the danger so... slash and burn baby.
When a company at the top of the pile behaves in this way it says A LOT about the culture/character of the company and distain is to be expected.
If this is not just another attempt to suck the air out of the room for everyone but MS I totally missed my guess.
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
That is why the only real adoption of linux you see is corporate where someone else (IT) does the dirty work or they use lindows from Walmart or something.
Only wierdos like me have been using it everyday since way before it was "ready".
FWIW
This is the most disturbing part of this whole story for me. Disturbing because this fits so well with what has been MS SOP for years now. I guess now that the fear of the GOV and litigation have been removed it is time to take monopolizing to the next level.
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Of course I'm paranoid it's crazy not to be!
Not trying to be a jerk but I have not seen a lot of plausible solutions for clean/cheap electicity. And I have been listening to this stuff since the early 70's.
The argument that the poster made I believe is that SCO actually released to GPL NOT some unauthorised partner. If I publish something under a very open license I may still own it, but everyone is then able to use it under the terms of the open license. What other way of looking at this is there?
Wow - baseless slander is now insightful. Nice work moderator dude.
Drag & drop backups that are fast and brainless. And the hand rolled system I built was cheaper than tape gear big enough and fast enough to do the same job.
It also does not need exotic software, at least in my case since I just use cron and a set of rsync scripts.
Easy, fast and getting cheaper every day. So I consider this to be non-news and sort of obvious and I am suprised more people are not doing it, other than they may have too much already invested in tape solutions to ever turn back.
It is not the be all end all. For example if you want fast disaster recovery you may want something else. ( But I'm not sure that keeping a synced copy of your OS partitions on a spare HD is a terrible idea.) For the places that this makes sense I can tell you its great.
FWIW
Peoples lust for easy answers and simple choices will be the bait that lures the world to hell.
Please wake up and realize that choices have consequences.
Loosing the ability to run diskless terminals and remote apps so someone can squeeze out a few more frames of video game performance would be a pretty lame victory.
Plus from what I have read the two are not mutually exclusive, but I could be wrong.