I don't see why you would want to use Linux for windows. We are starting to use a solution where the main user OS is Linux but for legacy apps and MS-only crap we have a windows terminal server (2003) setup and use tsclient to access it from linux. Everything runs in the environment it was designed for and you don't have to buy licenses for anyone except those that NEED access to windows-only apps. And the price is actually less by my calculations than crossover plus the MS-app once you get to a certain number of licenses. (We are non-profit which also helps a lot;)
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The idea that conservative == racist is by definition small minded. There are social conservatives and there are political conservatives. I am both. Both groups believe that all men are created equal and should be treated as such. Implementations of these principles vary however and there begins the debate. The fact that a neo-nazi may agree with a political conservative on certain issues does not equate the two. Unless you are ready to equate liberals with terrorists since they both hate President Bush.
Describe how this demonstrates "a complete disregard for individual rights"?
Your kidding right? More government ALWAYS equals less individual freedom. Especially when you are talking about taxes. Giving government total control over all enterprise? Labeling all CEO's and businesses for that matter as evil? Only big business you say? Well, how big is big. How successful does one have to be to become evil. At what bank balance does a person become evil. When does a person lose the right to innovate and take chances and who decides? You? The government? Think a little bit here.
BTW before you spit on the supreme being as source of authority idea you may want to think through the ramifications of the method you suggest. Social contract? Who decides? Simple majority? What if the majority decides that the minority are the problem and they all decide to fix the problem by killing the minority? A supreme being as source of authority would prevent this through the application of unchanging principles. The 10 commandments have been the same since they were written. Culture and opinions on the other hand...
I can think of few things more frightening than a government with nothing more than public opinion as a foundation. Particularly when one considers the things that form the majority of public opinion in this volatile media driven age. It would only be a short time in my view before the fully empowered unlimited government that many seem hell bent to create would determine that for the peoples own good they would just make the decisions from here on out.
I have been insulted for 20 years by "tolerant liberals" called a bigot and small minded just because my view varied from theirs. Now that they are out of power I am facinated by their behavior. And even more amazing than the intolerance is where it is coming from. Not some fringe wierdos but the core of the party, the vary people who have been looking down their noses for years in disgust at conservative "intolerance" (alternate spelling for an opposing view BTW). The word hypocrite comes to mind when I see this, sorry. Conservatives and even the dreaded Ann Coulter may be loud and at times obnoxious but at least they are what they say they are and don't pretent to be something they are not.
No mod points today but you get an honorary insightful from me.
Have a good one.
Bush haters need to understand that hate makes one blind. If you replace the word George Bush with Gay(s) in the speeches of Bush haters what would their friends think of them then I wonder.
Liberal tolerance - the oxymoron of the 21st century
Who says its tolerated? Do you work in a prison? Have you ever? Here's a little inside info...prison movies are NOT accurate.
I worked for the DOC for over 6 years. I am frankly very offended by the innuendo and underlying logic? of your comment.
Rape is not tolerated.
If you have the answer to maintaining peace and love in a prison filled with violent and hateful people don't waste your time talking to/. GO SOLVE THE PROBLEM!
The great strength of Windows thin clients, be it ICA (Citrix) or RDP (Windows 2000 and 2003 Terminal Services) is database applications that use ODBC connections.
I'm lost now. LTSP runs all of its apps on the server by default. Only display and input go through the network. It is also not really meant to be used over a modem, cable, wan. It was designed as a diskless workstation solution to be run on a LAN. I am blown away by how many people are offering opinions on this technology when they have obviously never used it or even visited the site.
LTSP.org
k12ltsp.org
I have been using this for several years now and it is great. And the k12ltsp isos include a lot of nice bells and whistles like a nice client for window terminal servers. Which is how we are running our legacy windows apps (Access stuff mostly) on our linux terminals. That way we run the windows stuff natively without extra addons like VMware or what have you. What that meant at the small organization I work with is we dump the windows machines and consolidate those functions on one (really nice) Windows terminal server. The lions share of the work is done on the linux terminal servers (for free). Also these two sites have hands down the friendliest and most helpful mailing lists I have ever used.
While you make some good points. Freedom in the freedom sense is not exchanging what MS wants me to do with what RMS wants me to do. I think it is important that people do not forget how easy it is to exchange one tyrany for another in these conversations.
What if someone came along a wrote a beautiful proprietary home video package that runs on linux and costs $25. You would say bad thing, and I would buy it. Freedom is having that choice.
Interesting that no one even gives a thought to the possible use of Linux by oppressive regimes, terrorists, drug dealers, pedophiles, etc, etc, etc. But if the defense department wants to use it well thats just the last straw.
This is either the ultimate in hypocrisy or the ultimate in idiocy or both. But I should not be surprised. Thinking like this has passed for insight in CA for a long time. And often makes news surprisingly. I wish there was a way sometimes for the defense department to selectively stop defending those that are anti-defense (and don't try to hypocritically tell me you are not anti-defense but anti-war either, because I am too old to buy that crap. I grew up arguing about stuff like this in the 60s)
The DoD is not the ultimate evil in the world. GW did not cause terrorism. He had not been pres long enough for that to be possible. He ran as a quasi isolationist w/ an emphasis on education for those of you with so little short term memory and so much hate that nothing else registers. And this is what he did until 9/11, phonies that believe otherwise know this is true because they now have a witch hunt going that seems hell bent to prove that he was not really interested in terrorism or even world affairs until 911.
But why bother. Those that think like I describe here are all singly their song loudly to each other with their fingers in their ears. Thinking with their glands and seeing everything through a filter of hatred for GWB.
This is not a new music player. Just an icon set and a name. And oh, they moved the player and search bar to the bottom. Rhythmbox is I guess a knockoff of iTunes or so I hear I don't use it. But this is what Lin*whatever has been doing from the start. Re-branding OSS with Lnames.
Your all taking my comments way to seriously. It was actually an attempt at humer with a couple of musings about the adult effects of childhood roles thrown in just to spice up the conversation. I am amazed it was modded insightful rather than funny.
I'm not sure if I am enough of a dreamer to qualify in your book but I am old enough to remember early space travel first hand and I miss it especially the attitude that we had about it then. Probably what inspired me to write what I did now that I think about it, is the kind of clinical (for lack of a better word) approach to the subject by a lot of these "we don't have to go space with people" wieners that seem to dominate the discussion whenever it comes up. It seems to me that a lot of people are only interested in data. Data is great but we will never get people excited about exploration with data alone. And that includes me. I love looking at the rover pictures and so on but man I would rather listen to someone who had been there tell about it. (at least in my view, disclaimer, disclaimer, etc,etc)
I have kept machines running until complete hardware self distruction with it. And the best part? With a decent monitor, keyboard, and mouse the user does not know old from new. Not a complete solution since monitors are not very "green friendly" and they tend to die before the rest of the gear but it helps.
There a two kinds of people that space exploration appeal to it seems.
Basement geeks
Thrill seeking, somewhat crazy, adventurers.
Basement geeks only care about the science and are very frightened by the risks. And adventurers have no interest in pictures they want to touch it with there own hands and look back at Earth with there own eyes and say HA! I made it! Eat my shorts space!
These two personality types have never really gotten along. I mean, lets be honest. The one group spent their early years giving atomic wedgies to the other. Now that their grown up I don't think either group has fully forgotten that relationship.
I don't think this is an either/or proposition. In the first quest for the moon both personalities were put to use. Both are needed still in my view.
I was talking about local running in both cases. LTSP is just RH with a few tweeks for running terminals. It does not effect performance in any way until you load it up with users. What we are actually doing in this environment is running Linux terminals and for legacy apps we cant run any other way we have a MS terminal server that we access through rdesktop/tsclient on the linux terminals. It's kind of cool actually.
No one cares how. Only proud developers. If it is so easy to run it faster in Linux why don't they. I use OOo every day and I love it but the speed in Linux drives me nuts. I just set up a server 2003 terminal server with OOo installed and it is just as fast as office on that platform. Which was almost instant on a dual xeon w/ 2g of ram. Performance is consistantly weaker on Linux. I have the exact same hardware running LTSP and it is night and day. And not in a good way. This needs to be problem Number 1 for the OOo guys. Everything else is just frosting on the cake. People click on it and IMMEDIATELY SAY "this is crap" just because of how slow it loads. I have heard them, I am not making this up.
But before I switched to linux I developed office "solutions" in VBA and Access almost exclusively for 5 or 6 years. And no there is nothing in the Linux world that can go from 0 to solved as fast as access can in the right hands. Yes these little solutions can breed like rabbits and actually cause a whole family of problems of their own. But RAD is at it's fastest and best in Access as long as the backend does not have to be too big. At least that's the way it used to be. I have not kept up for the last several years on the new versions capabilities.
I am much happier trashing Word than Access. Actually those Access apps I wrote years ago are now so entrenched that they have become the chief stumbling block to the complete removal of MS from this organization. I had the painful job just today of setting up a MS Terminal server to dish up these old apps to those still dependant on them. (Used rdesktop & tsclient it was actually pretty slick once I clawed through the Open license crap and various other strange things)
I'm tired and rambling now. I'm off to wash the MS stink off my fingers;)
On top of that I would add that human beings are wired for exploration.
Why do people climb mountains is there something up there we need? Yes and no. No it's just rocks and ice. YES, we need to go there because we can. Or better yet, we may be able to. Nerds say give me money so I can buy more nerd toys and explorers say, "give me more money so I can buy more nerds to build me a ship".
I think it is safe to say that the president is more the explorer personality type than the nerd. So I am not surprised by his desired direction for the space program.
We're talking core human nature here as much or more than we are talking science.
If you've watched or read any stories about unemployment over, oh, I don't know, the last year or so, you've probably heard it said that the unemployment rate is artificially low because of people who stop looking for work and because of underemployment
If you've watched or read any stories for the last year you've also noticed that only stories that help drive the current administration out of office make the top spots. I reallize that this is probably fine with you but if your point is you can't trust numbers I would also level a hefty amount of suspicion on the reporting as well.
There are also other numbers not included in that report and that is self employment. And although I can't support this with anything but anecdotal evidence I think IT workers are more able to successfully enter the self employment ranks than most. And BTW get in a plane and fly almost anywhere, swivel your head around, understand at least one thing about what you see, and stop your whining. I would rather be looking for work in the US "Shambles" than in any of the countries I have visited in the last 10 years.
You seem to be in the camp that believes that all corporate graft began 3 years ago. Corporations like Enron did not prosper in the Bush years but in the Clinton years. In fact the news since Martha has been a beehive of accusations against this administration for (I guess) "picking on" these high profile people. However, I have been told that these are the people that the bush administration favors. I guess this fits in the same logical framework as that Bush == evil mastermind and conspirator/village idiot paradigm I hear so much about these days.
It has been said often that America has the best government that money can buy. If it makes you sleep better to think that Kerry represents somethings else go for it. But his record will certainly not help you prove it. Bush hatred != answer. It is simply a knee jerk and in my experience residual pouting from the last election because people actually don't like the laws regarding the resolution of close elections and the electoral college. If you don't like it try to change it but no does because we all realize that next time the same laws could work in our favor.
Yes I would highly recommend the 12ga pump for a 911 replacement. The sound that a pump shotgun makes when chambering a round is worth a 1000++ words. (If ya know what I mean;)
I understand that many and maybe most people abused the RHN service. I wish they would have maintained service and just ended free RHN updates. Cutting Fedora out and making it into something as volitile as it sounds like it is going to be worries me. The Linux advantage has always been the freedom from EULA's. Entitlements for RHN were much cleaner and easier manage than any commercial EULA I have been involved with. Install without worries and $5 a month for all the machines that were critical. My personal machines I used apt for and did not use RH bandwidth. No harm no foul as far as I can see. And it increased the market penetration for RedHat. I honestly think that is how RH became the leader in the first place. I guess time will tell how good this is for RH and for Linux. (sigh)
This reminds me of gun control laws. It will severely limit the freedom of of the law abiding while providing nothing but a small inconvenience for criminals.
Are you saying that watching TV news of any sort will give you "facts". There is no such thing as truly objective journalism. I have more respect for people who don't try to pretend there is than I do for people who pretent there is. The whole premis of this report is that someone actually has the correct perception of all of these stories. That idea in itself strikes me as funny.
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The idea that conservative == racist is by definition small minded. There are social conservatives and there are political conservatives. I am both. Both groups believe that all men are created equal and should be treated as such. Implementations of these principles vary however and there begins the debate. The fact that a neo-nazi may agree with a political conservative on certain issues does not equate the two. Unless you are ready to equate liberals with terrorists since they both hate President Bush.
Your kidding right? More government ALWAYS equals less individual freedom. Especially when you are talking about taxes. Giving government total control over all enterprise? Labeling all CEO's and businesses for that matter as evil? Only big business you say? Well, how big is big. How successful does one have to be to become evil. At what bank balance does a person become evil. When does a person lose the right to innovate and take chances and who decides? You? The government? Think a little bit here.
BTW before you spit on the supreme being as source of authority idea you may want to think through the ramifications of the method you suggest. Social contract? Who decides? Simple majority? What if the majority decides that the minority are the problem and they all decide to fix the problem by killing the minority? A supreme being as source of authority would prevent this through the application of unchanging principles. The 10 commandments have been the same since they were written. Culture and opinions on the other hand...
I can think of few things more frightening than a government with nothing more than public opinion as a foundation. Particularly when one considers the things that form the majority of public opinion in this volatile media driven age. It would only be a short time in my view before the fully empowered unlimited government that many seem hell bent to create would determine that for the peoples own good they would just make the decisions from here on out.
I have been insulted for 20 years by "tolerant liberals" called a bigot and small minded just because my view varied from theirs. Now that they are out of power I am facinated by their behavior. And even more amazing than the intolerance is where it is coming from. Not some fringe wierdos but the core of the party, the vary people who have been looking down their noses for years in disgust at conservative "intolerance" (alternate spelling for an opposing view BTW). The word hypocrite comes to mind when I see this, sorry. Conservatives and even the dreaded Ann Coulter may be loud and at times obnoxious but at least they are what they say they are and don't pretent to be something they are not.
Have a nice day.
No mod points today but you get an honorary insightful from me.
Have a good one.
Bush haters need to understand that hate makes one blind. If you replace the word George Bush with Gay(s) in the speeches of Bush haters what would their friends think of them then I wonder.
Liberal tolerance - the oxymoron of the 21st century
I worked for the DOC for over 6 years. I am frankly very offended by the innuendo and underlying logic? of your comment.
Rape is not tolerated.
If you have the answer to maintaining peace and love in a prison filled with violent and hateful people don't waste your time talking to /. GO SOLVE THE PROBLEM!
end of story.
Same thing hapens in Fedora and I think a lot of other modern Linux distros.
I'm lost now. LTSP runs all of its apps on the server by default. Only display and input go through the network. It is also not really meant to be used over a modem, cable, wan. It was designed as a diskless workstation solution to be run on a LAN. I am blown away by how many people are offering opinions on this technology when they have obviously never used it or even visited the site.
LTSP.org
k12ltsp.org
I have been using this for several years now and it is great. And the k12ltsp isos include a lot of nice bells and whistles like a nice client for window terminal servers. Which is how we are running our legacy windows apps (Access stuff mostly) on our linux terminals. That way we run the windows stuff natively without extra addons like VMware or what have you. What that meant at the small organization I work with is we dump the windows machines and consolidate those functions on one (really nice) Windows terminal server. The lions share of the work is done on the linux terminal servers (for free). Also these two sites have hands down the friendliest and most helpful mailing lists I have ever used.
What if someone came along a wrote a beautiful proprietary home video package that runs on linux and costs $25. You would say bad thing, and I would buy it. Freedom is having that choice.
This is either the ultimate in hypocrisy or the ultimate in idiocy or both. But I should not be surprised. Thinking like this has passed for insight in CA for a long time. And often makes news surprisingly. I wish there was a way sometimes for the defense department to selectively stop defending those that are anti-defense (and don't try to hypocritically tell me you are not anti-defense but anti-war either, because I am too old to buy that crap. I grew up arguing about stuff like this in the 60s)
The DoD is not the ultimate evil in the world. GW did not cause terrorism. He had not been pres long enough for that to be possible. He ran as a quasi isolationist w/ an emphasis on education for those of you with so little short term memory and so much hate that nothing else registers. And this is what he did until 9/11, phonies that believe otherwise know this is true because they now have a witch hunt going that seems hell bent to prove that he was not really interested in terrorism or even world affairs until 911.
But why bother. Those that think like I describe here are all singly their song loudly to each other with their fingers in their ears. Thinking with their glands and seeing everything through a filter of hatred for GWB.
This is not a new music player. Just an icon set and a name. And oh, they moved the player and search bar to the bottom. Rhythmbox is I guess a knockoff of iTunes or so I hear I don't use it. But this is what Lin*whatever has been doing from the start. Re-branding OSS with Lnames.
I'm not sure if I am enough of a dreamer to qualify in your book but I am old enough to remember early space travel first hand and I miss it especially the attitude that we had about it then. Probably what inspired me to write what I did now that I think about it, is the kind of clinical (for lack of a better word) approach to the subject by a lot of these "we don't have to go space with people" wieners that seem to dominate the discussion whenever it comes up. It seems to me that a lot of people are only interested in data. Data is great but we will never get people excited about exploration with data alone. And that includes me. I love looking at the rover pictures and so on but man I would rather listen to someone who had been there tell about it. (at least in my view, disclaimer, disclaimer, etc,etc)
Have a good one!
FWIW
- Basement geeks
- Thrill seeking, somewhat crazy, adventurers.
Basement geeks only care about the science and are very frightened by the risks. And adventurers have no interest in pictures they want to touch it with there own hands and look back at Earth with there own eyes and say HA! I made it! Eat my shorts space!These two personality types have never really gotten along. I mean, lets be honest. The one group spent their early years giving atomic wedgies to the other. Now that their grown up I don't think either group has fully forgotten that relationship.
I don't think this is an either/or proposition. In the first quest for the moon both personalities were put to use. Both are needed still in my view.
I was talking about local running in both cases. LTSP is just RH with a few tweeks for running terminals. It does not effect performance in any way until you load it up with users. What we are actually doing in this environment is running Linux terminals and for legacy apps we cant run any other way we have a MS terminal server that we access through rdesktop/tsclient on the linux terminals. It's kind of cool actually.
No one cares how. Only proud developers. If it is so easy to run it faster in Linux why don't they. I use OOo every day and I love it but the speed in Linux drives me nuts. I just set up a server 2003 terminal server with OOo installed and it is just as fast as office on that platform. Which was almost instant on a dual xeon w/ 2g of ram. Performance is consistantly weaker on Linux. I have the exact same hardware running LTSP and it is night and day. And not in a good way. This needs to be problem Number 1 for the OOo guys. Everything else is just frosting on the cake. People click on it and IMMEDIATELY SAY "this is crap" just because of how slow it loads. I have heard them, I am not making this up.
But before I switched to linux I developed office "solutions" in VBA and Access almost exclusively for 5 or 6 years. And no there is nothing in the Linux world that can go from 0 to solved as fast as access can in the right hands. Yes these little solutions can breed like rabbits and actually cause a whole family of problems of their own. But RAD is at it's fastest and best in Access as long as the backend does not have to be too big. At least that's the way it used to be. I have not kept up for the last several years on the new versions capabilities.
I am much happier trashing Word than Access. Actually those Access apps I wrote years ago are now so entrenched that they have become the chief stumbling block to the complete removal of MS from this organization. I had the painful job just today of setting up a MS Terminal server to dish up these old apps to those still dependant on them. (Used rdesktop & tsclient it was actually pretty slick once I clawed through the Open license crap and various other strange things)
I'm tired and rambling now. I'm off to wash the MS stink off my fingers ;)
Have a good one!
Why do people climb mountains is there something up there we need? Yes and no. No it's just rocks and ice. YES, we need to go there because we can. Or better yet, we may be able to. Nerds say give me money so I can buy more nerd toys and explorers say, "give me more money so I can buy more nerds to build me a ship".
I think it is safe to say that the president is more the explorer personality type than the nerd. So I am not surprised by his desired direction for the space program.
We're talking core human nature here as much or more than we are talking science.
If you've watched or read any stories for the last year you've also noticed that only stories that help drive the current administration out of office make the top spots. I reallize that this is probably fine with you but if your point is you can't trust numbers I would also level a hefty amount of suspicion on the reporting as well.
There are also other numbers not included in that report and that is self employment. And although I can't support this with anything but anecdotal evidence I think IT workers are more able to successfully enter the self employment ranks than most. And BTW get in a plane and fly almost anywhere, swivel your head around, understand at least one thing about what you see, and stop your whining. I would rather be looking for work in the US "Shambles" than in any of the countries I have visited in the last 10 years.
It has been said often that America has the best government that money can buy. If it makes you sleep better to think that Kerry represents somethings else go for it. But his record will certainly not help you prove it. Bush hatred != answer. It is simply a knee jerk and in my experience residual pouting from the last election because people actually don't like the laws regarding the resolution of close elections and the electoral college. If you don't like it try to change it but no does because we all realize that next time the same laws could work in our favor.
Have a good one from your friends in MT!
I understand that many and maybe most people abused the RHN service. I wish they would have maintained service and just ended free RHN updates. Cutting Fedora out and making it into something as volitile as it sounds like it is going to be worries me. The Linux advantage has always been the freedom from EULA's. Entitlements for RHN were much cleaner and easier manage than any commercial EULA I have been involved with. Install without worries and $5 a month for all the machines that were critical. My personal machines I used apt for and did not use RH bandwidth. No harm no foul as far as I can see. And it increased the market penetration for RedHat. I honestly think that is how RH became the leader in the first place. I guess time will tell how good this is for RH and for Linux. (sigh)
This reminds me of gun control laws. It will severely limit the freedom of of the law abiding while providing nothing but a small inconvenience for criminals.
Are you saying that watching TV news of any sort will give you "facts". There is no such thing as truly objective journalism. I have more respect for people who don't try to pretend there is than I do for people who pretent there is. The whole premis of this report is that someone actually has the correct perception of all of these stories. That idea in itself strikes me as funny.