"but until a new company named Eazel came along, no one was willing to take the step to create a world-class interface"
Have these guys seen KDE 2 or GNOME? These are both "world-class" GUI's!
The system sounds like it would be a huge hit, but I really have to wonder if it could actually be sold at $50. That is a prety low price. Cell phones cost more and the companies mass produce them and make the money on contracts. Still, for $50, this could put linux in a lot of peoples hands.
AMD is srill looking better. The initial benchmarks show only a slight performance increase by using a P4 over the AMD Thunderbird and now that AMD will be releasing SMP support for the Thunderbird and Intel will not support SMP for atleast a year and a half it just makes it easier to spend the $500 less on the AMD chip and spend the savings on extra RAM or larger hard drives.
But if there is wireless technology (I mean when) brought to linux I hope it is easy to use and maintain. Wireless is going to big in the home. I think more so than at the office. Wireless could help spread linux even further if there were a few devices that ran some sore of linux with ipchains pre-configured and integrated into the users existing network easily. A few months without his/her firewall-router crashing and knowing it runs linux might be enough to lure more people to the linux side of the house.
Ok, This is coming from someone on a Unix/Linux (majority) web site? I think you are mistaken. I do work with a lot of hardware and software and have yet to see an aplication that NEEDS to be run on an Intel chip. Maybe you are confused by the adds for something made for MMX enhanced CPU's? Intel, AMD, Winchip and Cyrix all used Intels MMX technology.
I would go with an AMD over the Intel anyway. AMD is supposedly getting the Thunderbird (Athalon in a socket instead of a slot) ready for multiple CPU Motherboards and they are just as powerful and they cost about 1/4 less (at 1 GHz right now). AMD's plant in Dresden Germany and there other main plant in the states are not haveing any problems with supply and the quality of the Thunderbird I just bought is EXCELENT! I say forget intel and just get an AMD.
I dont think I will ever buy another top of the line chip from Intel again. With the whole Rambus thing and the recall of the P-III 1.13 GHZ chips, I have lost most of my trust in this company. AMD is pushing out processors that are stable and less expensive and perform as well as or better than there equiv. pentium counterpart.
I wonder if Al Gore had anything to do with this report (I am sure he could get in the chain of command somewhere). Now he can claim that he helped invent and develop OSS as well as the internet!:-)
Now I know who is responsible for Windows still being on my home PC. The only reason I have it is to play SIM city 2000 and 3000. Once the full SIM City 3000 gets released by Loki I will finaly be able to get rid of Windows for good. Nice to hear from the man that has cost thousands of us hours upon hours of our lives to the SIM games.
The ISO's have been availible for several days at linuxiso.org. I have been checking the SuSE ftp server frequently while waiting for the 7.0 ISO for i386 to become availible and I have seen them for a while.
The MS antitrust case is about Microsoft using its power to unfairly leverage users and pc manufacturers to use its browser. The case is about a Tech company hurting the "normal user". The normal user is not going to understand or care about things in deep technical detail. The thought that some people should go to one type of court and another go to a different court is crazy. Would that put all of the "smartest" judges in one court and the rest in another. We already have a messed up enough judicial system, we dont need another member to mess it up further. Let normal people decide the things that will affect the rest of us normal people. If we need to go further there is the supreme court after the federal courts after the state and local courts.
It was a real good article. I think more of the newer users of Linux should read a little more about people like this and a few other more important "personalities" of the Unix and programming and networking worlds. It will give you a much higher appreciation of the roots of Unix and therefore Linux also.
First off, let me express my unhappiness with that site layout. There was no "normal" link to the other 2 browser reviews. You had to cick on the item in the right side frame. The design of that was VERY poor. As for the reviews. They gave opera a 6? I do not use Opera very often but we all know it is one of the fastest browers out there. This was supposed to be an article about "alternative" browsers and then they start complaining about some of the features and options not availible. I would expect that a very small, very fast "BROWSER" (not a suite like netscape) would have a few less features. They rated NeoPlanet the same. How could they even think about that. Neo Planet is just a big bloated skin for a browser. If you have ever used it before you know what I am talking about. It is nothing but eye candy. I think they should have done a MUCH better job all around!
A web site should be able to be copied. Come on, this is a web site about an open source OS we are talking about (linux.com). I do think they should say something like "The design of this site was modeled after linux.com" or something of the sort but if the site admin dosent want to, what can you really do. To say a design is yours is a little overboard. Think about it. If that were the case you could say that the first web site ever (whatever that was) would have to be refrenced by all other web sites because it kinda holds to the same standard, reads left to right and top to bottom, is written in html, contains links, etc, etc. This is a wild world out there. The web is just another place for one person to take credit for someone elses work. Unless you copyright everything, there is really not much you can do about it.
It is good to see that the official response is level headed and calm. I use KDE and GNOME(Helix). I like them both. My distro (SuSE) comes with KDE by default but I use both with no problem. I like the option of more than 1 UI. I hope that the KDE team never gets discouraged by any of its "competitors", be it GNOME, Window Maker, XFCE, XXXXXX, XXXX, etc, etc.
I know it wasnt written by the Mozilla team. I was just saying that before anyone gets to concerned with themes we should have a working browser first.
This is sure to bring up A LOT of ethical questions. If we can bring back a certain species of animal then what role does God play? I am not a very religious person but this kind of thing scares the hell out of some people. Think about it, religion is about God making all of the decisions, who lives, who dies, what species keeps going, what species becomes extinct, etc. If we start making these decisions the people that spend every sunday in church will have to look at things differently. It is just 1 BIG can of worms.
I work as a Sys Admin for the US Air Force (SrA.) and I use Linux as a print server and internet connection firewall. There is even virus software (McAfee) for download at the site where I download updates for my Win NT/9x machines. Linux has not been "officially" adopted yet but like many other places, it is in use. The military does not have an "on paper" official OS that we must use but we are encouraged to use NT because it is more "secure" (wonder who made that assumption, I bet not a sys admin) but we can use Linux if we want.
To this day I still can't understand why we Linux users have to have "THE ONE SINGLE BEST DESKTOP". In UNIX there are lots of ways to get the same thing done. One tool can be used in different ways for different things. What's so wrong with more than one desktop? I use KDE, GNOME, afterstep, fvwm, xfce, etc. It depends on how I feel that particular day. The freedom of choice is what I love about Unix and why I switched my desktop to Linux 3 years ago. I guess with Linux getting more and more popular companies like Sun, HP, Compaq, etc. will want a standard interface. Let them have their standard GNOME desktop. Jut let them remember to make all of the code they add available and the community can then make sure the programs that are used are compliant with OUR standards. This is a community of Linux (and *BSD) users, not a community of CEO's. We should not care if GNOME is the default wm for a specific distro or company, we should care if that Distro makes running another wm impossible.
Whether we, as Linux users, like it or not. Software that has been copyrighted has a copyright FOR EVER, unless the developer says otherwise. The developers of these software packages have full legal right to stop 17-year-old kids from giving away their software. I use Linux and download TONS of software for my Linux box but 95% of it is open source. If I want to give away this software, fine, it is within the law. I know it is frustrating for people when a company will not support an older product. This is the companies fault, WOULD FORD or CHEVY NOT SELL PARTS TO A CAR BECAUSE IT WAS MADE 10 YEARS AGO!! No. But we have come to expect this from software companies in the age of Sun, Micro$oft, Oracle, Apple, etc., etc. Bottom line is if you complain to the company enough or stop buying their software and use an open source alternative you would not have this problem. Don't go to jail or get fined because of something stupid.
Windows ME will still have DOS compatibility. To get rid of DOS would mean to re-write Windows (ala NT). There was an article in PC Magazine or Smart Computing or something I read that said there was a way (undocumented of course) to get to DOS mode. Microsoft is most likley doing this so they can create an illusion of having DOS gone so they can get people used to the "no dos" design of there upcoming OS that will merge Win 9x and NT (2000).
Of course that is just my opinion
Is it just me or does anyone else think about Civilization Call to Power when they read these type of postings. It is hard to imagine something sooooo small. I am glad that there is steady progress here, it sounds very promising.
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This is a very cool idea but I wonder how long it will work. Although there are a lot of people that will play with it I am sure there will be some people that will wax the whole site over and over again. I guess I just dont have that much faith in people.
This could be a very good thing. Just think if apache or some other web server came with a high powered search included. Making local web site searches could become MUCH easier. If a nice front end configuration tool was written and also included it could help a lot of sites with making there searching better. There is nothing more annoying that searching a site for something and having the search come up empty and then finding it on the site 2 minutes later. I know it is a bit of over kill for a small site but for a medium to large site it could prove useful. Just my $.02.
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"but until a new company named Eazel came along, no one was willing to take the step to create a world-class interface"
Have these guys seen KDE 2 or GNOME? These are both "world-class" GUI's!
The system sounds like it would be a huge hit, but I really have to wonder if it could actually be sold at $50. That is a prety low price. Cell phones cost more and the companies mass produce them and make the money on contracts. Still, for $50, this could put linux in a lot of peoples hands.
AMD is srill looking better. The initial benchmarks show only a slight performance increase by using a P4 over the AMD Thunderbird and now that AMD will be releasing SMP support for the Thunderbird and Intel will not support SMP for atleast a year and a half it just makes it easier to spend the $500 less on the AMD chip and spend the savings on extra RAM or larger hard drives.
But if there is wireless technology (I mean when) brought to linux I hope it is easy to use and maintain. Wireless is going to big in the home. I think more so than at the office. Wireless could help spread linux even further if there were a few devices that ran some sore of linux with ipchains pre-configured and integrated into the users existing network easily. A few months without his/her firewall-router crashing and knowing it runs linux might be enough to lure more people to the linux side of the house.
Just watch out for the Blob!
Ok, This is coming from someone on a Unix/Linux (majority) web site? I think you are mistaken. I do work with a lot of hardware and software and have yet to see an aplication that NEEDS to be run on an Intel chip. Maybe you are confused by the adds for something made for MMX enhanced CPU's? Intel, AMD, Winchip and Cyrix all used Intels MMX technology.
I would go with an AMD over the Intel anyway. AMD is supposedly getting the Thunderbird (Athalon in a socket instead of a slot) ready for multiple CPU Motherboards and they are just as powerful and they cost about 1/4 less (at 1 GHz right now). AMD's plant in Dresden Germany and there other main plant in the states are not haveing any problems with supply and the quality of the Thunderbird I just bought is EXCELENT! I say forget intel and just get an AMD.
I dont think I will ever buy another top of the line chip from Intel again. With the whole Rambus thing and the recall of the P-III 1.13 GHZ chips, I have lost most of my trust in this company. AMD is pushing out processors that are stable and less expensive and perform as well as or better than there equiv. pentium counterpart.
I wonder if Al Gore had anything to do with this report (I am sure he could get in the chain of command somewhere). Now he can claim that he helped invent and develop OSS as well as the internet! :-)
Now I know who is responsible for Windows still being on my home PC. The only reason I have it is to play SIM city 2000 and 3000. Once the full SIM City 3000 gets released by Loki I will finaly be able to get rid of Windows for good. Nice to hear from the man that has cost thousands of us hours upon hours of our lives to the SIM games.
The ISO's have been availible for several days at linuxiso.org. I have been checking the SuSE ftp server frequently while waiting for the 7.0 ISO for i386 to become availible and I have seen them for a while.
The MS antitrust case is about Microsoft using its power to unfairly leverage users and pc manufacturers to use its browser. The case is about a Tech company hurting the "normal user". The normal user is not going to understand or care about things in deep technical detail. The thought that some people should go to one type of court and another go to a different court is crazy. Would that put all of the "smartest" judges in one court and the rest in another. We already have a messed up enough judicial system, we dont need another member to mess it up further. Let normal people decide the things that will affect the rest of us normal people. If we need to go further there is the supreme court after the federal courts after the state and local courts.
It was a real good article. I think more of the newer users of Linux should read a little more about people like this and a few other more important "personalities" of the Unix and programming and networking worlds. It will give you a much higher appreciation of the roots of Unix and therefore Linux also.
First off, let me express my unhappiness with that site layout. There was no "normal" link to the other 2 browser reviews. You had to cick on the item in the right side frame. The design of that was VERY poor. As for the reviews. They gave opera a 6? I do not use Opera very often but we all know it is one of the fastest browers out there. This was supposed to be an article about "alternative" browsers and then they start complaining about some of the features and options not availible. I would expect that a very small, very fast "BROWSER" (not a suite like netscape) would have a few less features. They rated NeoPlanet the same. How could they even think about that. Neo Planet is just a big bloated skin for a browser. If you have ever used it before you know what I am talking about. It is nothing but eye candy. I think they should have done a MUCH better job all around!
A web site should be able to be copied. Come on, this is a web site about an open source OS we are talking about (linux.com). I do think they should say something like "The design of this site was modeled after linux.com" or something of the sort but if the site admin dosent want to, what can you really do. To say a design is yours is a little overboard. Think about it. If that were the case you could say that the first web site ever (whatever that was) would have to be refrenced by all other web sites because it kinda holds to the same standard, reads left to right and top to bottom, is written in html, contains links, etc, etc. This is a wild world out there. The web is just another place for one person to take credit for someone elses work. Unless you copyright everything, there is really not much you can do about it.
It is good to see that the official response is level headed and calm. I use KDE and GNOME(Helix). I like them both. My distro (SuSE) comes with KDE by default but I use both with no problem. I like the option of more than 1 UI. I hope that the KDE team never gets discouraged by any of its "competitors", be it GNOME, Window Maker, XFCE, XXXXXX, XXXX, etc, etc.
I know it wasnt written by the Mozilla team. I was just saying that before anyone gets to concerned with themes we should have a working browser first.
This is sure to bring up A LOT of ethical questions. If we can bring back a certain species of animal then what role does God play? I am not a very religious person but this kind of thing scares the hell out of some people. Think about it, religion is about God making all of the decisions, who lives, who dies, what species keeps going, what species becomes extinct, etc. If we start making these decisions the people that spend every sunday in church will have to look at things differently. It is just 1 BIG can of worms.
I work as a Sys Admin for the US Air Force (SrA.) and I use Linux as a print server and internet connection firewall. There is even virus software (McAfee) for download at the site where I download updates for my Win NT/9x machines. Linux has not been "officially" adopted yet but like many other places, it is in use. The military does not have an "on paper" official OS that we must use but we are encouraged to use NT because it is more "secure" (wonder who made that assumption, I bet not a sys admin) but we can use Linux if we want.
To this day I still can't understand why we Linux users have to have "THE ONE SINGLE BEST DESKTOP". In UNIX there are lots of ways to get the same thing done. One tool can be used in different ways for different things. What's so wrong with more than one desktop? I use KDE, GNOME, afterstep, fvwm, xfce, etc. It depends on how I feel that particular day. The freedom of choice is what I love about Unix and why I switched my desktop to Linux 3 years ago. I guess with Linux getting more and more popular companies like Sun, HP, Compaq, etc. will want a standard interface. Let them have their standard GNOME desktop. Jut let them remember to make all of the code they add available and the community can then make sure the programs that are used are compliant with OUR standards. This is a community of Linux (and *BSD) users, not a community of CEO's. We should not care if GNOME is the default wm for a specific distro or company, we should care if that Distro makes running another wm impossible.
Whether we, as Linux users, like it or not. Software that has been copyrighted has a copyright FOR EVER, unless the developer says otherwise. The developers of these software packages have full legal right to stop 17-year-old kids from giving away their software. I use Linux and download TONS of software for my Linux box but 95% of it is open source. If I want to give away this software, fine, it is within the law. I know it is frustrating for people when a company will not support an older product. This is the companies fault, WOULD FORD or CHEVY NOT SELL PARTS TO A CAR BECAUSE IT WAS MADE 10 YEARS AGO!! No. But we have come to expect this from software companies in the age of Sun, Micro$oft, Oracle, Apple, etc., etc. Bottom line is if you complain to the company enough or stop buying their software and use an open source alternative you would not have this problem. Don't go to jail or get fined because of something stupid.
Windows ME will still have DOS compatibility. To get rid of DOS would mean to re-write Windows (ala NT). There was an article in PC Magazine or Smart Computing or something I read that said there was a way (undocumented of course) to get to DOS mode. Microsoft is most likley doing this so they can create an illusion of having DOS gone so they can get people used to the "no dos" design of there upcoming OS that will merge Win 9x and NT (2000).
Of course that is just my opinion
Is it just me or does anyone else think about Civilization Call to Power when they read these type of postings. It is hard to imagine something sooooo small. I am glad that there is steady progress here, it sounds very promising.
This is a very cool idea but I wonder how long it will work. Although there are a lot of people that will play with it I am sure there will be some people that will wax the whole site over and over again. I guess I just dont have that much faith in people.
This could be a very good thing. Just think if apache or some other web server came with a high powered search included. Making local web site searches could become MUCH easier. If a nice front end configuration tool was written and also included it could help a lot of sites with making there searching better. There is nothing more annoying that searching a site for something and having the search come up empty and then finding it on the site 2 minutes later. I know it is a bit of over kill for a small site but for a medium to large site it could prove useful. Just my $.02.