Not a slapdown at all, they'll just get money for programs the government approves, to be good little corporate droids. Arts, philosophy, humanities, history...what civilization needs that extraneous bullshit, there are products to be made, moved and sold!
Well, if someone comes from a wealthy family and can afford it, sure they can take nothing but philosophy and underwater basket weaving all they want.
But it makes sense that if loans that need to be paid back are being given out, it makes sense that you lower the risk of default (or misery of lifetime debt) by loaning to those that are studying something with real potential to go on in life and repay the loans.
It doesn't make sense to give $120K in loans to someone taking Medieval Lesbian Literature studies as a major, does it? How the hell will they ever pay that back with their glorious career as a burger flipper at McD's?
Most people go to college to get a degree to get them a foot in the door at a good job at the end. It makes sense to loan out in amounts equitable to what they likely will make at the end of their degree run.
I guess I'm not sure what this thread is going on about. Of course college is a stepping stone (hopefully) for a better job and living.
Why else would you go to college?
Most people aren't independently wealthy, and can go to academia just for academia and knowledge's sake....most people go with the intention of getting a degree that will open doors to them for making more money when they get out, than a HS diploma will allow for....no?
Local and national news channels tend to run web sites. Is it that much less convenient to read instead of watching?
Well, in most cases...YES.
I do tech for a living, and I don't know about you, but I'm reading pretty much 99% of my day...staring at a computer all that time.
Before and after the day job...I kinda prefer to get away from a computer screen for a bit....and relax and watch and listen.
I suppose if your job doesn't have you reading a computer screen your full day, it might be more convenient to sit and read it all...but that's not my day. I like to get away from the computer when I can...
I like to read, but I'm reading SO much for my day job, I actually like to relax a bit and WATCH and listen to a news report, along with video, etc...I can ingest it a bit easier before and after a long day on the job spent reading most all day...
I'm a good reader, a fast reader..but after awhile I like to rest of them, do you not too?
If you think Fox and MSNBC define the right and the left... then you really are a clueless American. What passes for 'left' in America is pretty severely to the right in the rest of the world.
And precisely why would I give a fuck what is "right" and "left" in other parts of the world?
If I wanted to live in a left leaning, more socialist part of the world, I would.
I prefer the US.
I will agree, the US and its polices aren't the "good guy" ones of the past, I blame that on corporate money takeover of our govt.
But I don't really care what the world thinks of us. I really don't, I have too much of my own life occupying my time and efforts. I don't have time to waste worrying if country X doesn't like me really, as long as they leave me alone and don't throw a weapon at me.
I do think if the US *did* pull fully out of world politics and wars...there'd be a lot of screaming that "the US doesn't do anything, they don't share, they don't help"...etc.
Hell, if we pulled fully out of all the bases and all in Europe, there would likely be a lot of pissed off people when they found they had to start pulling all that funding for free healthcare and 3 month vacations in order to pay for their own self defense in the big bad world. The US covers a lot of your countries' defense cost allowing you to spend your money on other things.
I can buy a box of salad greens (already mixed and washed) at Costco/Sams for less than $5...and some onions, tomatoes, cukes, etc...for a total of maybe altogether $10...and get several meals out of it, maybe 5-7.
That's just barely over a $1.x / meal....and much better and filling for you.
When I was in college, we fit 21 people into a station wagon and 19 people into a pickup truck. This was years before the practice was made illegal by state law. I doubt they can get that many dummies into today's cars.
Back when I was in college, I fit in 5 people into a 2x seater Datsun 280Z, along with a case of beer.
We had to leave the hatch up and it was only about a couple miles or so....
I can get a 500 calorie sausage McMuffin for $1 (ready to eat no les), about the same price that I pay for an 100 calorie apple,
Wow..where do you pay that much for an apple? When they are in season (and I try to only eat fresh veggies and fruit that are in season and mostly local)...I buy 6-8lb bags of apples for $4 or so.
Go compare what is costs in most cities to put a veggie loaded salad with some white meat chicken on the table ($20-25 in my experience)
Where are you paying this much?? I mean, chicken breasts in the meat dept on sale are about $1.99/lb....whole chickens often are $0.89/lb...so a veggie and chicken dinner to feed a family of 4 isn't $25?!?!
Where in the US do you live where food is so expensive?
I find that I spend far less money buying whole foods like veggies and fruit in season, along with good animal proteins, cooking from scratch..that I would for crap processed food.
I certainly feel MUCH better doing it that way too. I mean, don't get me wrong, I like a good pizza or occasional Taco Bell..but if I eat that crap for 2 days in a row, I feel physically less better than I do when eating good for you foods.
And again...it isn't a money thing, at least not anywhere I've lived before.
Only if you want news biased to a conservative, American ego-centric sources.
If you think you're getting the truth by watching those three sources, you're sadly mistaken.
CNN hasn't been an objective source of news for over a decade now. Fox never was.
Add some international stuff to your news, because with only 3 US sources, you're pretty far from objective truth and balanced coverage.
Well, I"m not that interested frankly, in the news of the world for the most part...why would I?
I don't expect that much of the world to be that interested in US news...?
But really....I watch a swath of new channels from the right (Fox) to the far left (MSNBC) and the more moderate ones....and try to get my own sense of balance between all of them.
It was a bit of a joke but also based on the truth.
No, there really is no unbiased news in the US...hence a good reason to watch them all, and make your own decision.
But what happens outside of the US, has very little impact on the average US citizens life....
Anecdotally, I never watch TV and I'm 27, part of a fairly large generation/cohort that has shown to be very unlikely to adopt TV. Ran into a classmate from high school and the story was the same, she doesn't even OWN a TV, let alone TV service.
How do you get your news , both local and national?
I usually start my day with TV switching between morning local and national, to see what's going on in the world, local weather..traffic, local interest stories, etc.
Do you not keep up with or care about real news of the world and your local community?
You see all sorts of businesses giving a discount for bundling things. What about those meal deals at McD or BK or Taco Bell? Are you wanting to sue them too?
Why would it be illegal, this is a long time tried and true method used by companies selling products.
I've been seriously considering cutting it myself.
I've been toying with the idea of setting up a HD external to the home antenna, and hooking it to a MythTV box for local HD stuff.
And with Netflix and Amazon Prime that would cover about 95% of what I usually watch. I'm pissed that there are really no cooking shows anymore on FoodTV or Cooking Channel, just contest and reality crap.
The only thing I'd miss from my cutting the cord...are the cable new networks. I figure between watching MSNBC, FoxNews and CNN...I get some idea of the truth between them all.
I only watch ESPN during college football season....so would miss that I guess, or could just have a permanent excuse on Saturday to go to the local bars to watch games.
But man...I'm on ATT Uverse...U200 package with taxes is about $112/mo....for tv only. I find I'm watching less and less of the main channels they offer, and could likely get by with the HD / Mythtv setup I mentioned earlier. I can easily afford what I have now, but I do hate to waste money.
The fact that your friend and corporate overlord was suddenly against universal healthcare should have been a good enough indication that any advances were despite him and not because of him.
Well, the majority of the US still isn't for this "universal health care" they way it has been forced down our throats.
I know MY costs have gone up significantly, with less coverage. And so far, nothing on the horizon showing the healthcare costs will be coming down rather than steadily increasing.
Better than if one of the conservatives would have been in office, not much, but still better.
I dunno.
Honestly, I think obama has hit a new low in overall presidency and administration gathered about him on pretty much ALL fronts.
He has in the past couple years, bottomed out past bush.
So, anyone but obama? Sure...I really don't know how anyone could do worse (I just hope I'm not surprised by the next guy).
At this point, I'd rather have random guy off the streets than what we currently have in power.
I think the random guy in the streets would do less damage to our country and its constitution that what almost in so many ways seems active derailment and dismantlement of what the US has built up over the last couple of centuries by the current admin.
I wont be giving away access to my bank accounts. Sorry, not gonna happen.
Yep, this was my first thought myself!!
I try to generally pay for everyday things in meatspace with cash. Online, mostly with one CC.
I don't plan to use or store ANY CC or banking information on my phone...much less have it set up to directly access my bank account via this system.
Hell, I refuse to have a debit card, my ATM card is purely ATM. I don't want debit...at least with CC if it gets stolen, you don't lose cash out of your account.
Even in this day, with many debit cards, if it is stolen and used, the cash is out of your account UNTIL you can prove it wasn't you.
I've seen it happen recently to a friend, and it caused all sorts of problems, with not only having to wait for their money to be returned to their account, but also all the overdraft and bounced checks/auto payments that hit while they were waiting for their money to be given back to them.
I can foresee the same dangers happening with this or any other direct to bank account transaction.
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Well, if someone comes from a wealthy family and can afford it, sure they can take nothing but philosophy and underwater basket weaving all they want.
But it makes sense that if loans that need to be paid back are being given out, it makes sense that you lower the risk of default (or misery of lifetime debt) by loaning to those that are studying something with real potential to go on in life and repay the loans.
It doesn't make sense to give $120K in loans to someone taking Medieval Lesbian Literature studies as a major, does it? How the hell will they ever pay that back with their glorious career as a burger flipper at McD's?
Most people go to college to get a degree to get them a foot in the door at a good job at the end. It makes sense to loan out in amounts equitable to what they likely will make at the end of their degree run.
Why else would you go to college?
Most people aren't independently wealthy, and can go to academia just for academia and knowledge's sake....most people go with the intention of getting a degree that will open doors to them for making more money when they get out, than a HS diploma will allow for....no?
Well, in most cases...YES.
I do tech for a living, and I don't know about you, but I'm reading pretty much 99% of my day...staring at a computer all that time.
Before and after the day job...I kinda prefer to get away from a computer screen for a bit....and relax and watch and listen.
I suppose if your job doesn't have you reading a computer screen your full day, it might be more convenient to sit and read it all...but that's not my day. I like to get away from the computer when I can...
Well, we ARE talking about the USA here after all, so, that's what matters, what is left for us.
Who gives a damn about what is right or left in the rest of the world, eh? That isn't germane to the conversation here.
I'm a good reader, a fast reader..but after awhile I like to rest of them, do you not too?
And precisely why would I give a fuck what is "right" and "left" in other parts of the world?
If I wanted to live in a left leaning, more socialist part of the world, I would.
I prefer the US.
I will agree, the US and its polices aren't the "good guy" ones of the past, I blame that on corporate money takeover of our govt.
But I don't really care what the world thinks of us. I really don't, I have too much of my own life occupying my time and efforts. I don't have time to waste worrying if country X doesn't like me really, as long as they leave me alone and don't throw a weapon at me.
I do think if the US *did* pull fully out of world politics and wars...there'd be a lot of screaming that "the US doesn't do anything, they don't share, they don't help"...etc.
Hell, if we pulled fully out of all the bases and all in Europe, there would likely be a lot of pissed off people when they found they had to start pulling all that funding for free healthcare and 3 month vacations in order to pay for their own self defense in the big bad world. The US covers a lot of your countries' defense cost allowing you to spend your money on other things.
Seriously? You thank Rachel Maddow, and Al Sharpton are centrists??
[rolls eyes]
Amen.
I can buy a box of salad greens (already mixed and washed) at Costco/Sams for less than $5...and some onions, tomatoes, cukes, etc...for a total of maybe altogether $10...and get several meals out of it, maybe 5-7.
That's just barely over a $1.x / meal....and much better and filling for you.
Back when I was in college, I fit in 5 people into a 2x seater Datsun 280Z, along with a case of beer.
We had to leave the hatch up and it was only about a couple miles or so....
Thankfully the cops didn't see us...hahaha.
Wow..where do you pay that much for an apple? When they are in season (and I try to only eat fresh veggies and fruit that are in season and mostly local)...I buy 6-8lb bags of apples for $4 or so.
Where are you paying this much?? I mean, chicken breasts in the meat dept on sale are about $1.99/lb....whole chickens often are $0.89/lb...so a veggie and chicken dinner to feed a family of 4 isn't $25?!?!
Where in the US do you live where food is so expensive?
I find that I spend far less money buying whole foods like veggies and fruit in season, along with good animal proteins, cooking from scratch..that I would for crap processed food.
I certainly feel MUCH better doing it that way too. I mean, don't get me wrong, I like a good pizza or occasional Taco Bell..but if I eat that crap for 2 days in a row, I feel physically less better than I do when eating good for you foods.
And again...it isn't a money thing, at least not anywhere I've lived before.
Well, I"m not that interested frankly, in the news of the world for the most part...why would I?
I don't expect that much of the world to be that interested in US news...?
But really....I watch a swath of new channels from the right (Fox) to the far left (MSNBC) and the more moderate ones....and try to get my own sense of balance between all of them.
It was a bit of a joke but also based on the truth.
No, there really is no unbiased news in the US...hence a good reason to watch them all, and make your own decision.
But what happens outside of the US, has very little impact on the average US citizens life....
How do you get your news , both local and national?
I usually start my day with TV switching between morning local and national, to see what's going on in the world, local weather..traffic, local interest stories, etc.
Do you not keep up with or care about real news of the world and your local community?
You see all sorts of businesses giving a discount for bundling things. What about those meal deals at McD or BK or Taco Bell? Are you wanting to sue them too?
Why would it be illegal, this is a long time tried and true method used by companies selling products.
I've been toying with the idea of setting up a HD external to the home antenna, and hooking it to a MythTV box for local HD stuff.
And with Netflix and Amazon Prime that would cover about 95% of what I usually watch. I'm pissed that there are really no cooking shows anymore on FoodTV or Cooking Channel, just contest and reality crap.
The only thing I'd miss from my cutting the cord...are the cable new networks. I figure between watching MSNBC, FoxNews and CNN...I get some idea of the truth between them all.
I only watch ESPN during college football season....so would miss that I guess, or could just have a permanent excuse on Saturday to go to the local bars to watch games.
But man...I'm on ATT Uverse...U200 package with taxes is about $112/mo....for tv only. I find I'm watching less and less of the main channels they offer, and could likely get by with the HD / Mythtv setup I mentioned earlier. I can easily afford what I have now, but I do hate to waste money.
Well, the majority of the US still isn't for this "universal health care" they way it has been forced down our throats.
I know MY costs have gone up significantly, with less coverage. And so far, nothing on the horizon showing the healthcare costs will be coming down rather than steadily increasing.
Nope, I am saying, however..that he is now the new "worst" at being a lying hypocrite...with incompetent added on top of the mix.
Well, I'd say the "old while guys" had a pretty good track record up till a couple presidents ago.
So far, the young black guy....not so much.
One of the crappiest product producing companies is now cornering the market in computers AND cellphones.
I dunno.
Honestly, I think obama has hit a new low in overall presidency and administration gathered about him on pretty much ALL fronts.
He has in the past couple years, bottomed out past bush.
So, anyone but obama? Sure...I really don't know how anyone could do worse (I just hope I'm not surprised by the next guy).
At this point, I'd rather have random guy off the streets than what we currently have in power.
I think the random guy in the streets would do less damage to our country and its constitution that what almost in so many ways seems active derailment and dismantlement of what the US has built up over the last couple of centuries by the current admin.
The study of people named Eugene?
So...how's that "Hope and Change" working out for all of ya'll out there that voted for him...twice?
An ATM card ONLY works at an ATM...for cash, it isn't a purchase card.
Hmm. I usually keep about $200 give/take on me at any given time.
Yep, this was my first thought myself!!
I try to generally pay for everyday things in meatspace with cash. Online, mostly with one CC.
I don't plan to use or store ANY CC or banking information on my phone...much less have it set up to directly access my bank account via this system.
Hell, I refuse to have a debit card, my ATM card is purely ATM. I don't want debit...at least with CC if it gets stolen, you don't lose cash out of your account.
Even in this day, with many debit cards, if it is stolen and used, the cash is out of your account UNTIL you can prove it wasn't you.
I've seen it happen recently to a friend, and it caused all sorts of problems, with not only having to wait for their money to be returned to their account, but also all the overdraft and bounced checks/auto payments that hit while they were waiting for their money to be given back to them.
I can foresee the same dangers happening with this or any other direct to bank account transaction.