I don't see how the Unix base has anything to do with it. Which Unix systems can run typical OS X apps? Which *nix systems other than linux can run linux specific apps?
When I heard that MSFT was going to release Vista with features missing, I was urging them to delay it further rather than releasing an incomplete product.
If I was a developer of software for the mac platform, I would be interested in the number of macs sold and the the best possible estimate of install base. Independent developers are not really going to be affected one way or another by large corporate upgrade rollouts since most corporate desktops are pretty much locked down and standardized on MSFT products anyway. I think marketshare percentages of the total market is pretty much useless especially considering that not only does it include corporate desktop sales but also POS and industrial sales as well.
I can't believe that not a single person has mentioned the fact that even though you buy a track DRM free, it doesn't mean that they can't still add the watermark that actually connects the file to YOU when you buy it from the store. So when you give it to your friends, they can track all the copies in the wild back to you! So? Did you purchase distribution rights? No? Then what right do you have to distribute someone else's work? Would you like people ripping you off?
Quit being a cockmunch, Aristotle-Dude, before I stick your ass in a headlock. Looks like someone isn't getting any and is in need of a basic anatomy lesson. You want to stick my ass in a headlock? Dude, those two things are at opposite ends of a human torso. Do I look like a starfish to you? Man you really need to take a chill pill before you go postal at work.
Why are so many people so concerned that not everyone believes the same thing? I find it kind of amusing that the same atheists who claim someone is always trying to shove religion down their throat seems to be bothered that not everyone is 100% convinced that the current theories of evolution are correct.
In a pluralistic and democratic society, differences of opinion and belief should not only be tolerated tolerated but encouraged. Quite frankly, some of you staunch supporters of Darwin sound more fanatical than the biggest religious fanatics in the middle east. Get over it and live your own lives.
You're a kid, aren't you? Either that or you're ESL...
"real job" in a corporation... ?
Troll much? Slashdot is not usually known for grammar, proper sentence structure. It's the bloody weekend for crying out loud. Take that pitch fork out of your ass. I have met hardworking entrepreneurial teens trying to start their own businesses with a higher maturity level that what you have displayed thus far. I'm tempted to not even bother continuing.
Just because your company purchases from a certain vendor doesn't mean they treat the systems as preconfigured black-boxes. Our IT department upgrades and customizes our graphical workstations as needed.
Assmunch. I find what you are suggesting laughable. It is not cost effective to source upgrades through third-parties and customize workstations on a case by case basis. Do your techs work for free? Are you aware of the costs of employing a salaried employee beyond their actual salary? A good rough estimate would be to take their gross salary and multiply it by 2.
Forgetting the upfront costs, have you considered how much time and money it would cost to get someone with a custom built workstation up and running should their current workstation fail? Now consider being able to develop a limited series of workstation images that the IT department can install on spare machines sitting in storage. Which approach is more cost effective in the long run? Really now, how much do you really need in a machine to run Photoshop and illustrator?
I was not talking about this mythical corporations you keep on talking about dumbass. Most companies standardize on one desktop for everyone from "one" vendor. My employer uses Lenovo workstations throughout the company. I've heard others using Dell systems in their companies. These mythical companies with whitebox workstations either do not exist or they are not actually large corporations. Our company used white boxes for a while until it became unmanageable and we standardized on IBM for both our rack mounted servers and our workstations.
Ubuntu is generating a lot of hype but not much marketshare. I really does not matter anyway because people like RMS will sabotage linux anyway with their GPL 3 nonsense.
You really should check out Apple's prices and see how they compare with similarly configured Dell systems.
I would suggest actually getting a "real job" in a corporation. You will quickly find that they do not tolerate fanboys even if they happen to be MSFT fanboys.
If I want to play Age of Empires (any of the three, with expansions), DDO, Rise of Nations, Rise of Legends, etc, which console should I get?
All of the Age of Empires games have been ported to OS X. WTF is DDO? Rise of Nations etc... run fine in a dual booted MB let alone a MBP. No "gaming rig" needed.
Oooh.. That's right, NONE OF THOSE ARE AVAILABLE ON A CONSOLE.
Yeah, console games tend to be more social which are designed to be played head to head. Strategy games tend to drag on.
Ok, so lets say I wish to play WoW. Oh... Not available either? Well, then, surely SWG is a... no? Ummm.. Asheron's Call (I hear they recently released antoher expansion for it).. Not available either?
Well, damn.
I guess PC Gaming isn't as dead as you thought it was.
You are right, none of those solitary "online" games are available for consoles but they are available for macs if you are so inclined except for the last one which I've never heard of. WoW has been available for the mac about the same amount of time as the windows version IIRC but I have no desire to play it.
Do me a favor. Grow up, graduate High School, get some sort of job and get out of your parents house/basement, buy a car, get into a house/apartment (rent or buy, I don't care), THEN come talk to me about things, let alone gaming.
I'm sorry that I took until Saturday in the afternoon to reply back as I had to get back to my full time salaried job which I've had for about 8 years now. I'm about to go pay my rent. I am thinking about buying a condo after I get back from my summer vacation travelling through Europe. This will be my second trip to Europe as an adult since my Rome trip two years ago. I outgrew the desire for a car while my classmates were still playing Nintendo and I was helping my dad rebuild engines and painting primer on collision repairs.
Just to pour some more salt into your already gaping wound, I paid $667 for the power supply, mainboard, processor, memory, and video card. The rest of the components were recycled from my previous computer (case included). My PC, as I previously stated, is used for more than "gaming", though it does sit idle quite abit (I do have a life away from my PC, especially now that I own my own home.).
Jackass. Good for you. I'll just keep on enjoying my 15" MBP in OS X with the occasional gaming session in Vista on the same machine when I want to wasted some time. You see, computer gaming for me is something I might do to pass the time occasionally. If I want to actually have "fun", I'd invite a few friends over to play some board games.
then of course there are those people who need Windows to play Warcraft more hours than sleeping..... =) You do realize that WOW has been out the same amount of time for OS X as windows don't you? Not only that but since 10.4.8, WOW now runs faster in OS X than windows on the same hardware. This is because of the multi-threaded OpenGL Apple introduced in 10.4.8.
You really don't get it do you? Linux is a great server OS. For the general public, it is not about choice of hardware vendors or being able to upgrade their motherboard or open source. The average joe wants a computer that will work out of the box and Apple provides that. Apple even provide driver support for most new peripherals you might want to connect to your mac. Finally, they provide software that works out of the box and is intuitive.
Hardware choice and ability to upgrade is a non-issue for the average user. It's the software stupid. People care about the software and what they can get done with the software.
The downside is, as a development company given a choice of limited resources and the realization that Mac users can run Windows software, but not vice versa. What do you target?
Windows, obviously. Wrong. You target what offers your customers the path of least resistance for the OS of their choice. Only a foolish company would think of which is easier for them to develop. Any company making such a choice could face stiff competition from OS X only developers who could leverage all of the latest frameworks the latest OS X version has to offer giving them an advantage in not only development time and features but integration into the OS and other applications running on OS X. Ultimately, targeting OS X directly will offer easier development if your product is primarily or exclusively for the mac.
I (and quite a few others) have said it before, and I'll say it again. I have Age of Empires (the first, through AOE3), Rise of Nations (the base game and the add-ons), Rise of Legends, City of Heroes/Villains, etc. Not one of these games (and hundres of others) works in OSX (without emulation -- that doesn't count). Yawn. If you want to play games, get a console. PC gaming is the past and console gaming is the future. Seriously dude, if you spent over a thousand dollars on a "gaming rig" and you are an adult, then I have to say that it really sad.
Isn't it ironic that PC users used to view computers like the Atari ST and Amiga as silly toys and game machines and now PC fanboys cannot stop talking about games as if they were the most important thing you could do with your computer?
What is this world coming to when you see so many adults playing computer games online?
Here are some more words for you: Step 1. Take any USB mouse with two or more buttons. Step 2. Plug it into any mac. Step 3. Use it. Step 4. There is no step 4.
On a mac laptop: Step 1. Place two fingers on the trackpad. Step 2. click on the mouse button while keeping the two fingers on the trackpad. Step 3. Observe a right click menu popup. Step 4. There is no Step 4.
You're missing the point. The point is Apple (and MS) are competing with a movement all of whose members have access to all the work and all the progress and can take bits of it as they wish. I'm afraid that you are missing the point. BSD *is* and Darwin open source even if it does not fit in with the RMS Koolaid drinking crowd.
I could site a number of contributions Apple employees have made to numerous open source projects but it would go in one ear and out the other. Webkit for example has been used by a number of projects and organizations outside of Apple including Nokia for their phone browser and Adobe for their Apollo project.
I think you and people like you (ie. RMS) are missing the point that Open source is supposed to be about people co-operating with each other to develop software everyone can use and to further interoperability through open and well documented standards. It is *not* supposed to be a political movement or holy crusade.
If you give me source code without documentation which reads and writes its own undocumented format, it will be completely useless to me. However, if you provided me with an open standard format that you gave rights for everyone to use and it was well documented, I would find that far more useful as I could be "free" to write an open or closed source implementation of that standard which would be inter-operable with other open or closed source software that also implemented that standard. As long as a format or protocol is open and documented, it does not matter if you provide source code.
You are confusing open source software in general with open source operating systems. The former can exist on open and closed source systems. True "freedom" allow for the end user to not be locked into an OS. Just because an OS is open source, it does not make OS lockin any different.
In the short term, you are right. A lot of switchers will buy a windows license to either run via dual boot, Vmware Fusion or Parallels. In the long term however, as more people switch and consequently developers switch, you will see more and more software available for OS X. At some point, less and less software will be appearing on windows as the scales begin to tip.
I've heard a lot of people say that macs are just the same as generic hardware but more expensive. This is simply not true for two reasons. One is that Apple simply does not compete on the low end with Celerons and Pentium M CPUs. Where they do compete, their hardware is reasonably priced if not the cheapest in some categories. The second reason is that mac hardware is not completely generic. Not only do the laptops come with bells and whistles not found on other X86 laptops but their architecture for power management and ports is quite different.
Anyone who installed the most recent iteration of Bootcamp drivers for Vista should have noticed this. Prior to 1.2, Vista would not kick in after the set delay period and a lot of hardware was still unsupported. I noticed that with 1.2, Apple has provided a Mac HAL for Vista to allow support for the mac motherboard architecture under vista.
You see, a lot of hardware on X86 machines is dependent on BIOS. This extends from video hardware to the ACPI power management chips even after Windows is running. Macs, by comparison use either Open Firmware or EFI in the early stages of the bootstrap process and after that, control of the hardware is handed off to the OS with no more references to the firmware. Apple's power management features are software controlled for the most part with only some use of the firmware in bootstrapping the scheduled turn on events.
In a nutshell, although an X86 PC and X86 macs may share some common components, they are different animals as far as hardware management is concerned.
They both follow the same model, which is to reinvent the wheel every time, and keep the code secret from the competitors. What they should both fear is a competitor who can always start where the last guy left off. This is how science advanced - Newton did not have to invent Euclid from scratch, and this is how Linux has advanced using shared libraries. This is how xorg got started in three months.
This is why they are both following an over costly and obsolete business model, and they will both fall. Apple maybe first, with its locked software and DRM mania. But both will go. Its just when. *Sigh* http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html
You really should do your research before making unsubstantiated claims. Never assume. Do you know why?
"In related news, Fidel Castro is blasting the production of corn fuel as a blatant waste of food that would otherwise feed 3 billion people who will die of hunger." Oh the humanity, forget about food, think of how many drinks it could make. Such a waste of perfectly good alcohol.
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Who the fuck modded that as insightful? There is nothing insightful about it. It is the same boring and tired rhetoric we have heard a million times before. Not only is is bigoted flamebait but completely off topic.
I don't care whether you believe in god or not or support bush, it has nothing to do with either of those things. Your FCC is governed by your legislative branch. They enact the stupid laws you all complain about. Guess what? You are to blame for electing those boneheads to office.
Ok, you are still confusing rights and freedoms. Freedom is a state of being. It can also be condition created by set of laws enacted by the state or by simply being away from everyone else. It most certainly is not within the privy of contract law to grant. Contracts and licenses can grant different types of "rights". There is s fundamental difference between your freedom of speech and the rights you have under a contract. The latter is far more limited compared with your "freedoms". Did you notice the word "free' at the beginning of the word freedom?
RMS never understood what real freedom was all about in the first place. GNU Freedom is apparently freedom with a number of terms and conditions and is viral in nature. That my friend, is an oxymoron because freedom cannot have terms and conditions given that freedom is the lack of rules and regulations. I think hippies like RMS have confused "rights" with freedoms. The former is something that is granted by authority with or without limits whereas the latter springs out of a lack of regulation.
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When I heard that MSFT was going to release Vista with features missing, I was urging them to delay it further rather than releasing an incomplete product.
If I was a developer of software for the mac platform, I would be interested in the number of macs sold and the the best possible estimate of install base. Independent developers are not really going to be affected one way or another by large corporate upgrade rollouts since most corporate desktops are pretty much locked down and standardized on MSFT products anyway. I think marketshare percentages of the total market is pretty much useless especially considering that not only does it include corporate desktop sales but also POS and industrial sales as well.
Looks like someone isn't getting any and is in need of a basic anatomy lesson. You want to stick my ass in a headlock? Dude, those two things are at opposite ends of a human torso. Do I look like a starfish to you? Man you really need to take a chill pill before you go postal at work.
Microsoft = Software Actually Apple = Hardware+Software
In a pluralistic and democratic society, differences of opinion and belief should not only be tolerated tolerated but encouraged. Quite frankly, some of you staunch supporters of Darwin sound more fanatical than the biggest religious fanatics in the middle east. Get over it and live your own lives.
"real job" in a corporation... ?
Troll much? Slashdot is not usually known for grammar, proper sentence structure. It's the bloody weekend for crying out loud. Take that pitch fork out of your ass. I have met hardworking entrepreneurial teens trying to start their own businesses with a higher maturity level that what you have displayed thus far. I'm tempted to not even bother continuing. Just because your company purchases from a certain vendor doesn't mean they treat the systems as preconfigured black-boxes. Our IT department upgrades and customizes our graphical workstations as needed.
Assmunch. I find what you are suggesting laughable. It is not cost effective to source upgrades through third-parties and customize workstations on a case by case basis. Do your techs work for free? Are you aware of the costs of employing a salaried employee beyond their actual salary? A good rough estimate would be to take their gross salary and multiply it by 2.
Forgetting the upfront costs, have you considered how much time and money it would cost to get someone with a custom built workstation up and running should their current workstation fail? Now consider being able to develop a limited series of workstation images that the IT department can install on spare machines sitting in storage. Which approach is more cost effective in the long run? Really now, how much do you really need in a machine to run Photoshop and illustrator?
Ubuntu is generating a lot of hype but not much marketshare. I really does not matter anyway because people like RMS will sabotage linux anyway with their GPL 3 nonsense.
You really should check out Apple's prices and see how they compare with similarly configured Dell systems.
I would suggest actually getting a "real job" in a corporation. You will quickly find that they do not tolerate fanboys even if they happen to be MSFT fanboys.
If I want to play Age of Empires (any of the three, with expansions), DDO, Rise of Nations, Rise of Legends, etc, which console should I get?
All of the Age of Empires games have been ported to OS X. WTF is DDO? Rise of Nations etc... run fine in a dual booted MB let alone a MBP. No "gaming rig" needed. Oooh.. That's right, NONE OF THOSE ARE AVAILABLE ON A CONSOLE.
Yeah, console games tend to be more social which are designed to be played head to head. Strategy games tend to drag on. Ok, so lets say I wish to play WoW. Oh... Not available either? Well, then, surely SWG is a... no? Ummm.. Asheron's Call (I hear they recently released antoher expansion for it).. Not available either?
Well, damn.
I guess PC Gaming isn't as dead as you thought it was.
You are right, none of those solitary "online" games are available for consoles but they are available for macs if you are so inclined except for the last one which I've never heard of. WoW has been available for the mac about the same amount of time as the windows version IIRC but I have no desire to play it. Do me a favor. Grow up, graduate High School, get some sort of job and get out of your parents house/basement, buy a car, get into a house/apartment (rent or buy, I don't care), THEN come talk to me about things, let alone gaming.
I'm sorry that I took until Saturday in the afternoon to reply back as I had to get back to my full time salaried job which I've had for about 8 years now. I'm about to go pay my rent. I am thinking about buying a condo after I get back from my summer vacation travelling through Europe. This will be my second trip to Europe as an adult since my Rome trip two years ago. I outgrew the desire for a car while my classmates were still playing Nintendo and I was helping my dad rebuild engines and painting primer on collision repairs. Just to pour some more salt into your already gaping wound, I paid $667 for the power supply, mainboard, processor, memory, and video card. The rest of the components were recycled from my previous computer (case included). My PC, as I previously stated, is used for more than "gaming", though it does sit idle quite abit (I do have a life away from my PC, especially now that I own my own home.).
Jackass. Good for you. I'll just keep on enjoying my 15" MBP in OS X with the occasional gaming session in Vista on the same machine when I want to wasted some time. You see, computer gaming for me is something I might do to pass the time occasionally. If I want to actually have "fun", I'd invite a few friends over to play some board games.
Have fun with your 'puter little man.
You really don't get it do you? Linux is a great server OS. For the general public, it is not about choice of hardware vendors or being able to upgrade their motherboard or open source. The average joe wants a computer that will work out of the box and Apple provides that. Apple even provide driver support for most new peripherals you might want to connect to your mac. Finally, they provide software that works out of the box and is intuitive.
Hardware choice and ability to upgrade is a non-issue for the average user. It's the software stupid. People care about the software and what they can get done with the software.
Yawn. If you want to play games, get a console. PC gaming is the past and console gaming is the future. Seriously dude, if you spent over a thousand dollars on a "gaming rig" and you are an adult, then I have to say that it really sad.
Isn't it ironic that PC users used to view computers like the Atari ST and Amiga as silly toys and game machines and now PC fanboys cannot stop talking about games as if they were the most important thing you could do with your computer?
What is this world coming to when you see so many adults playing computer games online?
Here are some more words for you:
Step 1. Take any USB mouse with two or more buttons.
Step 2. Plug it into any mac.
Step 3. Use it.
Step 4. There is no step 4.
On a mac laptop:
Step 1. Place two fingers on the trackpad.
Step 2. click on the mouse button while keeping the two fingers on the trackpad.
Step 3. Observe a right click menu popup.
Step 4. There is no Step 4.
I could site a number of contributions Apple employees have made to numerous open source projects but it would go in one ear and out the other. Webkit for example has been used by a number of projects and organizations outside of Apple including Nokia for their phone browser and Adobe for their Apollo project.
I think you and people like you (ie. RMS) are missing the point that Open source is supposed to be about people co-operating with each other to develop software everyone can use and to further interoperability through open and well documented standards. It is *not* supposed to be a political movement or holy crusade.
If you give me source code without documentation which reads and writes its own undocumented format, it will be completely useless to me. However, if you provided me with an open standard format that you gave rights for everyone to use and it was well documented, I would find that far more useful as I could be "free" to write an open or closed source implementation of that standard which would be inter-operable with other open or closed source software that also implemented that standard. As long as a format or protocol is open and documented, it does not matter if you provide source code.
You are confusing open source software in general with open source operating systems. The former can exist on open and closed source systems. True "freedom" allow for the end user to not be locked into an OS. Just because an OS is open source, it does not make OS lockin any different.
Oops, that should be "the screensaver in Vista would not kick in".
I've heard a lot of people say that macs are just the same as generic hardware but more expensive. This is simply not true for two reasons. One is that Apple simply does not compete on the low end with Celerons and Pentium M CPUs. Where they do compete, their hardware is reasonably priced if not the cheapest in some categories. The second reason is that mac hardware is not completely generic. Not only do the laptops come with bells and whistles not found on other X86 laptops but their architecture for power management and ports is quite different.
Anyone who installed the most recent iteration of Bootcamp drivers for Vista should have noticed this. Prior to 1.2, Vista would not kick in after the set delay period and a lot of hardware was still unsupported. I noticed that with 1.2, Apple has provided a Mac HAL for Vista to allow support for the mac motherboard architecture under vista.
You see, a lot of hardware on X86 machines is dependent on BIOS. This extends from video hardware to the ACPI power management chips even after Windows is running. Macs, by comparison use either Open Firmware or EFI in the early stages of the bootstrap process and after that, control of the hardware is handed off to the OS with no more references to the firmware. Apple's power management features are software controlled for the most part with only some use of the firmware in bootstrapping the scheduled turn on events.
In a nutshell, although an X86 PC and X86 macs may share some common components, they are different animals as far as hardware management is concerned.
This is why they are both following an over costly and obsolete business model, and they will both fall. Apple maybe first, with its locked software and DRM mania. But both will go. Its just when. *Sigh*
http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html
You really should do your research before making unsubstantiated claims. Never assume. Do you know why?
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I don't care whether you believe in god or not or support bush, it has nothing to do with either of those things. Your FCC is governed by your legislative branch. They enact the stupid laws you all complain about. Guess what? You are to blame for electing those boneheads to office.
Ok, you are still confusing rights and freedoms. Freedom is a state of being. It can also be condition created by set of laws enacted by the state or by simply being away from everyone else. It most certainly is not within the privy of contract law to grant. Contracts and licenses can grant different types of "rights". There is s fundamental difference between your freedom of speech and the rights you have under a contract. The latter is far more limited compared with your "freedoms". Did you notice the word "free' at the beginning of the word freedom?
RMS never understood what real freedom was all about in the first place. GNU Freedom is apparently freedom with a number of terms and conditions and is viral in nature. That my friend, is an oxymoron because freedom cannot have terms and conditions given that freedom is the lack of rules and regulations. I think hippies like RMS have confused "rights" with freedoms. The former is something that is granted by authority with or without limits whereas the latter springs out of a lack of regulation.