Have you ever tried to READ the mozilla source? I rest my case. The build process is great and all, but how does the thing actually perform once built?
P.S. When you get done with the code audit get back to me and we can compare notes;)
I think your reading that backwards my friend basically the way that is SUPPOSED to read is more like "Beyond ANY POSSIBLE sliver of doubt which even two human beings on earth could agree was slightly reasonable."
Basically anything short of "The martians decended and stabbed my wife 467 times and then used odd alien technology to reverse time so my aliby would be disproven, and then they further used their odd alien technology to implant the vision of me commiting the crime in the 47 witnesses minds, then further put my prints on the knife" should be grounds to let the defendant go.
You seriously overrate some IT managers and corporations judge of talent.
I'll give you a random example from my own past experience.
Several years ago (like 6-7, I don't even think I'm under an NDA anymore, ancient times really) I worked for a lesser known corporation called Sony Electronics.
I started off at this Sony Electronics place, in Tech Support. I went there expecting they would be interested in knowledgable people. I walked in and they first did a lie detector test for security clearance and drug testing. Then they gave you a technical test, where they would ask you questions and you'd have to describe how to perform various tasks off the top of your head and explain technologies in certain areas etc (architectures you've worked with etc.). Fair enough, after all a customer isn't generally going to call and give you a multiple choice question.
It wasn't long before the interviewer was starting to scribble on the back of the sheet when writting down the processors I'd worked with (3rd question, after name and date of birth) before he simply sat it down and started quizzing me. All of it fairly easy windows stuff (only setback was that he said it was windows 98se and asked about system resources, I started explaining how to get to the system monitor and he got very confused, he wanted the overall rating in system properties).
So I go through the rigerous Sony 1 month training course and another month on the floor. And then I discover the magic which is numbers. That is all sony cares about. My (now wife) worked there with me, she is of a knowledge level where she knows there is this cd command and a vague idea of how it works, if you ask her how to move to the root of the C drive she will advise to type "cd C:".
She didn't know shit, probably fixed about 3 customers problems for real. It's a fair bet that every customer she handled called back 3 or 4 times. Needless to say she was the Star of our entire shift, 94-96% of her time was spent on the phone or available ready for a call to come in. Her average call time was about 6 minutes. If you checked her calls (easy to do) there was ALWAYS a callback but Sony neither noticed nor cared.
Me, I rated about 85% spending alot of my time in unavailable (mostly spent on call documentation), my average call time was more like 15min. I had an average of 5 or 6 kb updates (solutions that were wrong or had no solution in the sony knowledgebase, wife had zero in the year we worked there) a day. If you looked through my calls you would always see almost nobody I worked with had to call back for the same problem and the only reason I escalated a call was because it required a solution that wasn't within my authority (certain types of repairs) and even then I usually walked over and got authorization rather than bumping up the call.
I have several letters in the Sony book (where customers wrote to the president of the company because they were so pleased with my work) and had one customer try to send me home baked chocolate chip cookies (nazi security gorillas examined and proded them for 3 months and finally handed me a bag full of cookie pieces, seriously).
Now with all that, I was at barely acceptable performance and got lectures on my numbers fairly routinely (course they'd never fire me, that takes a 6month process at sony and they wouldn't start it with my star employee girlfriend as part of the package).
My wife is an accountant by trade by the way, and her poor performance as a phone tech really doesn't reflect on her work in the subject she actually knows something about.
In any case, that is an example of the way Corporate America works, I could give you dozens of other examples. It's much like the government, there are rules and guidelines and reality rarely intrudes on the way things work there.
"There is an even more desperate need to make certain lawyers do not wield total control of the legal process."
RIIIIIIGHT, because they don't wield total control now? Let's see the Politicians who make the laws are all lawyers (I'd be very suprised to hear of a single member of congress who isn't). Who is held in check by the president (lawyer anyone?).
Ok, so now we've got laws. Now we get arrested and are defended by a lawyer of course, and prosecuted by a lawyer of course, and let's not forget, the judge is just another lawyer! Right on up to the supreme court (which is entirely staffed by lawyers).
So umm who exactly is it you think would be doing this reforming of yours? And what significant part of the process isn't alreadying being wielded by lawyers? Face it, the only way we will ever take the reins of power away from the lawyers is revolution.
Look, not only is your post redudant because this has already been discused in a half dozen other threads, but we've already covered the solutions to this as well.
1. This does not apply to invididuals versus corporation, in that case if the corp wins the individual pays his own expense only. But corp loses then the corp pays (justification, corps are not HUMAN BEINGS, they are mythical paper entities).
2. In the cases where someone pays, they pay the sum of their own expenses, the result is always to double their own expenses. You spend $50 on filing fees and defend yourselves and win against megacorp or bill gates personage, you get the amount of megacorp's (or billy) expenses toward (even exceeding) your own. If they win, they get $50 toward their own expenses.
Nope, corporations and buisness in general get the penalty (or rather don't get the bonus) BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS. You know the hairless apes? Those things are supposed to take priority over a buis.
Even a one man show, if it goes out, worst case it goes out. Nobody has died, nobody is even ruined, one man can start another business or go get a job for someone else.
How about your average bench tech does as much average work as lawyer and your average McDonalds fry guy works harder if less hours so we don't allow them to charge millions in the first place?
The reason they have trials is NOT because every case isn't supposed to be a sure thing.
It's the opposite, it's to MAKE SURE every case isn't a sure thing. Plea bargaining has merely INCREASED DELAYS (artificial delays are added to give chances to plea bargain) AND INCREASED the level of corruption in the legal system. If the prosecution has a good case they can pressure an innocent defendent into accepting a plea bargain.
And your damn right if the case isn't a sure thing they should let him off. It's better to let 10,000 rapists and murderers go free than to wrongfully imprison even one innocent. Don't agree? Ok your the next innocent up.
Somehow I think the EU has 3.5bil for it's own mercenaries, not mention the already standing armies , artillery, navy, airforce, lots of damn tanks, biological weapons, NUKES, etc.
When you come down to it, no matter how idealistic your society, the truth is that those who are in power, are in power because they have the biggest guns.
Imagine what it would be like without Microsoft products. True the software functionality isn't all that important, it can be replaced and with superior products and open source applications.
It's the lack of function and not functioning portions which drive IT in the US and I imagine worldwide. Do you have any idea how much artificial need problems in microsoft software have created? Those are artificial jobs. When the company adopts linux across their desktops, how long do you think the IT staff will number 200 strong for a mere 1000 desktops that NEVER have problems?
We need shit software, fixing that shit software is what gives us jobs.
It's more than that, the EU can regulate and fine anyone who operates within the EU even if they don't have a local office.
What your thinking of is the US law concerning operations in various states where certain things only apply within states where the company has a physical presence.
But in this case, there are MS products on the shelfs of EU stores. The EU can do anything it wants including ban MS products within the EU altogether.
Microsoft has a monopoly, either you use a microsoft product or pretty much no product and alot of hardware won't work for you.
It's not because Microsoft has superior software and features, or has uber driver writting ability. It's because they have a monopoly on the desktop and so it's not possible to skip windows when putting out drivers for your product, to to skip windows support for software.
Why should they prevent the company from going bust? If the company was founded on illgotten gains and doesn't have enough legitimate infrastructure to stand without those illgotten gains then what is wrong with busting them?
I haven't seen a bank or utilities site that doesn't work after correcting the agent string. Anybody can do this, in the preferences there is a plugin for mozilla which adds a menu option in the browser to switch between common browser strings.
Not to say I haven't seen sites that don't work with Firebird and Moz I've just never seen a bank or utilities site that doesn't (they don't do anything special and their sites tend to be pretty basic).
Now there ARE some heavy hitter java sites (getting indepth with java still means coding for either sun or microsoft's crap, and that usually means microcrap is the winner) or activeX, etc.
On windows it's less of an issue but still an issue, plugins which add new default applications and content types STILL do not always work properly. Installing the win32 bittorrent for example registers the MIME type but does not set the default application (a google yields the name of said application 20 some results deep and it's not mentioned on their site). With firebird it's even trickier since it runs out of a user created folder which sits god knows where on the hard drive.
Give me a break, nobody is going to have sympathy for SCO over this. Every quarter they spend on bandwidth is a couple letters of FUD they can't send out. Open source has no need nor desire to be PC.
This is no worse than hunting a vicious dictator to the point where he is huddling in a hole and then dragging him off to prison. Or driving another murderous dictator to suicide after pushing his armies back out of most of europe.
Yes I really am equating SCO to hitler and Saddam, they did temporary damage, the damage they did brought about lots of bleeding hearts and disrupted families. SCO is attempting to hinder the technological progress of the human species, that's something more valuable than all but two human lives on earth (doesn't matter which two, so long as one is male and the other female).
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Maybe I got a decimal in there wrong but 0.5% comes out to about $1,250 total.
English is nowhere near the topic of this discussion nor this thread.
yes yes all good and well.
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Have you ever tried to READ the mozilla source? I rest my case. The build process is great and all, but how does the thing actually perform once built?
P.S. When you get done with the code audit get back to me and we can compare notes
I think your reading that backwards my friend basically the way that is SUPPOSED to read is more like "Beyond ANY POSSIBLE sliver of doubt which even two human beings on earth could agree was slightly reasonable."
Basically anything short of "The martians decended and stabbed my wife 467 times and then used odd alien technology to reverse time so my aliby would be disproven, and then they further used their odd alien technology to implant the vision of me commiting the crime in the 47 witnesses minds, then further put my prints on the knife" should be grounds to let the defendant go.
You seriously overrate some IT managers and corporations judge of talent.
I'll give you a random example from my own past experience.
Several years ago (like 6-7, I don't even think I'm under an NDA anymore, ancient times really) I worked for a lesser known corporation called Sony Electronics.
I started off at this Sony Electronics place, in Tech Support. I went there expecting they would be interested in knowledgable people. I walked in and they first did a lie detector test for security clearance and drug testing. Then they gave you a technical test, where they would ask you questions and you'd have to describe how to perform various tasks off the top of your head and explain technologies in certain areas etc (architectures you've worked with etc.). Fair enough, after all a customer isn't generally going to call and give you a multiple choice question.
It wasn't long before the interviewer was starting to scribble on the back of the sheet when writting down the processors I'd worked with (3rd question, after name and date of birth) before he simply sat it down and started quizzing me. All of it fairly easy windows stuff (only setback was that he said it was windows 98se and asked about system resources, I started explaining how to get to the system monitor and he got very confused, he wanted the overall rating in system properties).
So I go through the rigerous Sony 1 month training course and another month on the floor. And then I discover the magic which is numbers. That is all sony cares about. My (now wife) worked there with me, she is of a knowledge level where she knows there is this cd command and a vague idea of how it works, if you ask her how to move to the root of the C drive she will advise to type "cd C:".
She didn't know shit, probably fixed about 3 customers problems for real. It's a fair bet that every customer she handled called back 3 or 4 times. Needless to say she was the Star of our entire shift, 94-96% of her time was spent on the phone or available ready for a call to come in. Her average call time was about 6 minutes. If you checked her calls (easy to do) there was ALWAYS a callback but Sony neither noticed nor cared.
Me, I rated about 85% spending alot of my time in unavailable (mostly spent on call documentation), my average call time was more like 15min. I had an average of 5 or 6 kb updates (solutions that were wrong or had no solution in the sony knowledgebase, wife had zero in the year we worked there) a day. If you looked through my calls you would always see almost nobody I worked with had to call back for the same problem and the only reason I escalated a call was because it required a solution that wasn't within my authority (certain types of repairs) and even then I usually walked over and got authorization rather than bumping up the call.
I have several letters in the Sony book (where customers wrote to the president of the company because they were so pleased with my work) and had one customer try to send me home baked chocolate chip cookies (nazi security gorillas examined and proded them for 3 months and finally handed me a bag full of cookie pieces, seriously).
Now with all that, I was at barely acceptable performance and got lectures on my numbers fairly routinely (course they'd never fire me, that takes a 6month process at sony and they wouldn't start it with my star employee girlfriend as part of the package).
My wife is an accountant by trade by the way, and her poor performance as a phone tech really doesn't reflect on her work in the subject she actually knows something about.
In any case, that is an example of the way Corporate America works, I could give you dozens of other examples. It's much like the government, there are rules and guidelines and reality rarely intrudes on the way things work there.
Too bad I don't have any mod points.
You realize all the democrats and repulicans in office are lawyers right?
"There is an even more desperate need to make certain lawyers do not wield total control of the legal process."
RIIIIIIGHT, because they don't wield total control now? Let's see the Politicians who make the laws are all lawyers (I'd be very suprised to hear of a single member of congress who isn't). Who is held in check by the president (lawyer anyone?).
Ok, so now we've got laws. Now we get arrested and are defended by a lawyer of course, and prosecuted by a lawyer of course, and let's not forget, the judge is just another lawyer! Right on up to the supreme court (which is entirely staffed by lawyers).
So umm who exactly is it you think would be doing this reforming of yours? And what significant part of the process isn't alreadying being wielded by lawyers? Face it, the only way we will ever take the reins of power away from the lawyers is revolution.
Look, not only is your post redudant because this has already been discused in a half dozen other threads, but we've already covered the solutions to this as well.
1. This does not apply to invididuals versus corporation, in that case if the corp wins the individual pays his own expense only. But corp loses then the corp pays (justification, corps are not HUMAN BEINGS, they are mythical paper entities).
2. In the cases where someone pays, they pay the sum of their own expenses, the result is always to double their own expenses. You spend $50 on filing fees and defend yourselves and win against megacorp or bill gates personage, you get the amount of megacorp's (or billy) expenses toward (even exceeding) your own. If they win, they get $50 toward their own expenses.
Nope, corporations and buisness in general get the penalty (or rather don't get the bonus) BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS. You know the hairless apes? Those things are supposed to take priority over a buis.
Even a one man show, if it goes out, worst case it goes out. Nobody has died, nobody is even ruined, one man can start another business or go get a job for someone else.
How about your average bench tech does as much average work as lawyer and your average McDonalds fry guy works harder if less hours so we don't allow them to charge millions in the first place?
The reason they have trials is NOT because every case isn't supposed to be a sure thing.
It's the opposite, it's to MAKE SURE every case isn't a sure thing. Plea bargaining has merely INCREASED DELAYS (artificial delays are added to give chances to plea bargain) AND INCREASED the level of corruption in the legal system. If the prosecution has a good case they can pressure an innocent defendent into accepting a plea bargain.
And your damn right if the case isn't a sure thing they should let him off. It's better to let 10,000 rapists and murderers go free than to wrongfully imprison even one innocent. Don't agree? Ok your the next innocent up.
It sounds like it isn't missing any of the basic features your average webserver needs.
And if that is the case why on earth wouldn't you be using for your typical small deployments whether embedded or not?
Somehow I think the EU has 3.5bil for it's own mercenaries, not mention the already standing armies , artillery, navy, airforce, lots of damn tanks, biological weapons, NUKES, etc.
When you come down to it, no matter how idealistic your society, the truth is that those who are in power, are in power because they have the biggest guns.
Imagine what it would be like without Microsoft products. True the software functionality isn't all that important, it can be replaced and with superior products and open source applications.
It's the lack of function and not functioning portions which drive IT in the US and I imagine worldwide. Do you have any idea how much artificial need problems in microsoft software have created? Those are artificial jobs. When the company adopts linux across their desktops, how long do you think the IT staff will number 200 strong for a mere 1000 desktops that NEVER have problems?
We need shit software, fixing that shit software is what gives us jobs.
It's more than that, the EU can regulate and fine anyone who operates within the EU even if they don't have a local office.
What your thinking of is the US law concerning operations in various states where certain things only apply within states where the company has a physical presence.
But in this case, there are MS products on the shelfs of EU stores. The EU can do anything it wants including ban MS products within the EU altogether.
dunno, it sounds like the EU may be wanting 3.5bil american greenbacks.
Microsoft has a monopoly, either you use a microsoft product or pretty much no product and alot of hardware won't work for you.
It's not because Microsoft has superior software and features, or has uber driver writting ability. It's because they have a monopoly on the desktop and so it's not possible to skip windows when putting out drivers for your product, to to skip windows support for software.
Why should they prevent the company from going bust? If the company was founded on illgotten gains and doesn't have enough legitimate infrastructure to stand without those illgotten gains then what is wrong with busting them?
I haven't seen a bank or utilities site that doesn't work after correcting the agent string. Anybody can do this, in the preferences there is a plugin for mozilla which adds a menu option in the browser to switch between common browser strings.
Not to say I haven't seen sites that don't work with Firebird and Moz I've just never seen a bank or utilities site that doesn't (they don't do anything special and their sites tend to be pretty basic).
Now there ARE some heavy hitter java sites (getting indepth with java still means coding for either sun or microsoft's crap, and that usually means microcrap is the winner) or activeX, etc.
On windows it's less of an issue but still an issue, plugins which add new default applications and content types STILL do not always work properly. Installing the win32 bittorrent for example registers the MIME type but does not set the default application (a google yields the name of said application 20 some results deep and it's not mentioned on their site). With firebird it's even trickier since it runs out of a user created folder which sits god knows where on the hard drive.
Just some thoughts.
Let me take a wild guess, your a VT CS Major who gets A's?
"businesses' rate of adoption of linux" == "increased rate of technological progress of linux" == "technological progress of the human species"
"WTF, linux is more important than millions of tortured and dead?"
That's not what I said at all, I said technological progress is more important than BILLIONS tortured and dead.
Thankyou AC, that's the nicest thing anyone has said to me all day ;)
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Give me a break, nobody is going to have sympathy for SCO over this. Every quarter they spend on bandwidth is a couple letters of FUD they can't send out. Open source has no need nor desire to be PC.
This is no worse than hunting a vicious dictator to the point where he is huddling in a hole and then dragging him off to prison. Or driving another murderous dictator to suicide after pushing his armies back out of most of europe.
Yes I really am equating SCO to hitler and Saddam, they did temporary damage, the damage they did brought about lots of bleeding hearts and disrupted families. SCO is attempting to hinder the technological progress of the human species, that's something more valuable than all but two human lives on earth (doesn't matter which two, so long as one is male and the other female).