Up to then, Apple had been some mythical "great company" to me. Then I found that not only was their user interface tricky to get the hang of, but their hardware was shit. That kind of turned me off Apple. PCs straight along the line for me since then.
jesus...what did you major in over at the "uni" ? Giving up early? Science for the Technically Retarded?
I did an install of XP Pro a couple nights ago, for a friend, and the Start button window...did you design that? It looks like the 'author' used Crayons and set it up for old folks in a hospital 'Activity" room....You must love that, eh?
That's the guys behind the Omni Group (OmniWeb) heheh, Jobs was using their browser when he came back to Apple.
Meanwhile, Mr. Jobs looked extremely lackluster at the last SF Mac show. Really ho-hum. I wondered if it was his health, or the crazy shit Apple was pulling with the News 'scoop' sites, or what...
Now this thing with the kids and a relative handful of folks taking a look at what's coming around the corner, a little early. Jesus, yo Jobs, chill a bit man. We need you to last for a while, there's real work to be done.
Like maybe, fire a couple lawyers, and get a couple motivated kids to fix the fucking Finder. It's been around forever, and even under OS X, after a reboot, the menus hesitate about dropping, the beach ball spins if you ask it to do two things almost at once, etc. And those keyboards, you should sue the mofos behind those pieces of shit right now. Dreadful. Check it out Steve, the fucking keyboard is the tactile interface to the whole schmear, get it? I mean, come on...
I used Earthlink for a long time as an ISP. Their policy changed to 2 GB per month per account. But it turned out ( I checked about 5 seconds after getting the alert email from E-link) that the 'account' referred to was one of your 5 aliases that came with the basic service. So...I just logged on as one of three 'rotating' accounts and as they neared the 2GB limit, shifted to a 'new' alias, creating aliases to replace 'old' ones, as needed. Bottom line: uninterrupted 30+ GB/month transfers. Meanwhile, I use Giganews ($24.99 unlimited d-loads, ability to saturate any pipe), and sometimes see my posts propagate to Verizon at the same time as on the Giga servers. (The 'path' from home to the Giga servers runs through Verizon, usenetserver, easynews, newsguy, etc... zero propagation probs when one keeps segment parts under 500kb). Usenet dying? Don't hold yer breath.
Not about Bush's out-of-work buddies. The main goal of the creation of DHS was to combine a shitload of unrelated departments full of civil servants and legislate their bargaining rights, etc, out of existence.
but long story short I had to send vonage back thier hardware and cancel service because it was totally unworkable for me.
The same big carriers (backbones) are telcos and others. It was only 4 or 5 years ago they lost a big suit filed by an Association of Independent Service providers for doing the exact same thing. Customers (being newbies, for the most part, God Bless 'Em), were calling the local Bell saying, "I can't get through to the Internet." And were met with, "Well, your line is fine, why don't you let me connect you to our Internet Provider (sic) and we can have you back online in 5 minutes?"
It was predatory and illegal then, and it will be judged in the same manner, again. It's nice to see so many people getting up to defend Goliath, here. What a progressive bunch.Shame.
We can plan for the future and learn from our mistakes. We are not governed by instinct as animals are:
I got a little bad news for ya, pal. All your planning, and decisive activity is nothing but simple strategy to accommodate your instinct-driven nature.
Nice try at some quasi science in support of self-preservation of your delusions of grandeur, though. ( said 'delusions' being mere extensions of 'self', ergo, the instinct of self-preservation at 'work')
I don't know: show me the ape which has conquered the planet, which has tamed the forces of nature, which thinks, and maybe I'll consider him my equal...
You're right, at first anyway...you 'don't know'... nice job your 'thinking' did taming 'nature' recently, that tsunami might have hurt somebody without your superiority.Get a fucking clue.
Yeah, I understand that position. I mean, why be a second or 'same' rate version of a second-rate thing, in the first place. But come on, 'aim high, settle for a tie' is almost certain to yield better efforts and results than 'aim for a tie'. My point, whether clear or not, was that competition (in the true sense, that of 'competing to win'), would push both sides, further. Even if a desktop Linux came out with a GUI/CLI that was as good as OS X I wouldn't switch, what would be the point? It isn't going to happen, anyway, because Apple, under current leadership (no bets on what happens 'after'), isn't sitting still. by the way, as far as MS goes, they've coerced, manipulated, co-opted, assimilated... but 'struggled'? I don't see it.
"As good as" isn't the nature of technological advancement.
It's a leapfrog thing. You know, the old 'standing on the shoulders of giants' math thing. Original poster had the right idea. "As good as" is like setting 'mediocrity' (not to mention, 'redundance') as a goal. That's not a 'goal' at all.
I just hope the hardcore Linux, *nix developers start working on squeezing the most out of cycles and RAM, rather than using the apparent 'abundance' of those two things as a 'cushion'. Tighten it up, that's what i say.
If Apple has to bust ass to stay in the thick of the tech 'wedge' between empowerment and the 'lowest common denominator' 'good enough for the newbs' stuff, then so be it.
As a user, I don't give a rat's ass about competition in the marketplace. I want the people writing the code of the stuff I want to use, to have a drive to be 'better than the rest', and if they get surpassed, to just get back in and do it again, and on and on.
There is a big need however for mouse and keyboard packages for this computer (that aren't made by Apple and overpriced).
I'm a long-time Apple and SGI user (mainly Apple) who works full-time on Compaqs at work (day job)...and believe me, Apple is doing Anybody who buys a Mini a HUGE favor in not shipping an Apple "Pro" keyboard with the unit. Ask any halfway honest Mac user, they'll tell you the same thing. It's a marvel of a technological piece of shit. I'm convinced the 'keys' are riding on a bed of room temperature oatmeal (with a 'splash' of cream for added 'muck' factor). Terrible, that a company could cram pretty good tech and engineering into boxes, and make the tactile user 'interface' so atrocious. I'll take my throwawy Compaq board (from 5 or 6 yrs ago), any day of the week. The Mouse? I've been on Kengington TurboPro trackballs forever. 'Nuff said.
And yeah, the Control keys are in the same spot, and the Apple alt-Option key is in the middle, like the Start key, Apple's Command (or 'splat' key - next to the spacebar) is the 'Alt' key. Switching, in this case, is trivial. The devil is in the PS/2 vs. USB hookup, it can be negotiated. Also, the older Apple Extended Keyboards (which go for about $5 on eBay), can be used with an ADB - USB converter, and they are the 'one' for the Mac
what i mean is, an average user who would use a database application (ie access on windows) to construct their *own* database - which is what the parent (now great-grandparent) poster was saying was needed.
Yup, I don't really disagree with your point, despite last night's evidence to the contrary:=)
I use Filemaker Pro, myself, for a database with well over 100k audio samples for theater/film, and it took forever to properly construct (the time was spent in intellectual construct, not mechanical efforts at all, still...). But, now, it will load and open to results of many-angled queries faster than Safari loads. heheh. Not for everybody. No doubt.
Last notion: With Oracle 10g ported to OS X, there's no need for Access, now, heheh. Go Larry, Beat Bill!:)
has anyone ever come across an "average" user who actually uses databases?
how about every iTunes user for starters?
Apple uses XML all over the place, and really, for all we know, their DTD could be huge, and iTunes is just a minor slice of the whole.
But that's the Apple way, isn't it? To let the user benefit from an application without realizing that there are parsers, and databases, and hidden global prefs, and GUI front-ends to piped Unix commands, doing all the actual 'work' behind the scenes.
It's kind of like a Wizard of Oz, in reverse, wherein the simple facade masks a very intricate, complex,well-engineered system. Ya gotta love it.,/P>
I wonder if Pages was descended from Pages for NeXT:
I certainly don't have a factual answer to that question, but my 'take' on the whole deal is that Apple's Macintosh is NeXT, basically, now. It has far more in common with the NeXT platform than the old pre-OS X platform.
The weird thing is that quasi-Open apps like Firefox, which I'm using right at the moment (because OmniWeb is on the other monitor keeping my places in a few chm-to-html 'books' right now), look more like Windows on a Mac, than true Mach-O and Cocoa apps.
Looks like it could hurt InDesign, maybe, and kill those "Lost Kitten" posters written in Quark, hopefully.
I got the feeling that Jobs, in his presentation, was seeming to express 'wonder' over the use of templates... which struck me as rather ridiculous, at the time.
Was Appleworks available before the//e came out? I thought it was a//e package.
No. It's a somewhat complicated story, but it started out as a database app written by Rupert Lissner. He decided to expand it to a three-app 'suite'. He wrote the programs on an Apple///, which actually came out 3 years before the Apple//e. (The// was released 6 years before the//e). The//e was released in early 83, I think, but the AppleWorks wasn't sold until 84, it wasn't 'bundled', either.
When he brought the app to Apple, I think it was called A-B-C (like 1-2-3, get it?) but it predated Lotus. At the time he was working it out he went to a presentation by some Lotus guys at a seminar where the Lotus guys were asserting that a 'suite' of complementary apps was logically impossible to write. Rupert got a kick out of that, apparently. Apple bought the package, partially. They kept the version for the//e, and let Rupert keep his version for the///. A year after the//e was released, the Apple-owned app came out as AppleWorks. Rupert called his app/// E-Z Pieces. There were plugins from Bank St, the Beagle Brothers, and others, as well as cool standalones from all those guys, too.
When ProDOS 3.3 was ported back to the///, AppleWorks was also ported back. Meanwhile, by the end of 1985, AppleWorks, in its first year on the market, became the biggest selling software app ever. (up until then). Apple was furious in a way, because 'they' hadn't developed it. They shunned Rupert and never mentioned the name AppleWorks in any advertising (most famously an ad that had an AppleWorks screenshot, and then listed something like 28 apps on the box, except for AppleWorks, itself.) When AppleWorks fell out of the number one selling slot in office/business software, the top ten selling apps were mostly plugins and third-party add-ons written by third-party folks for it. Meanwhile, Rupert went to MS, with his old version, and that became Microsoft Works.
Apple had a rep for writing software that would dominate the market it was written for, and the fact that that was scaring away third-party developers led them to spin off the app into a new company called Claris, where it got revitalized, and again became the biggest selling suite on the Apple, and Macintosh platforms. The//e was a very cool, small computer that Apple also sabotaged. They wouldn't allow the engineers to implement design mods that made it faster than the///. Very fucking baby-like attitude. The//gs was the first of the 16-bit audio boxes, and was all over the pro recording biz. The Apple// line, from the e to the gs, just about refused to die. The/// was supposed to be the 'business' machine, but was a huge failure. Jobs wasn't running the show back then, he just worked there, in a way, and was attracted to the//e project because of the challenge (at that time) of producing such a low profile box.They really were quite remarkable, then.
I collected records, and, to a lesser extent, books. When I was a part owner of a record shop I took records in lieu of profit-sharing, or pay. My weekly stipend? 400 albums. And I spent my weekends driving to jobbers, hitting flea markets (including the cool one at Capitol Records, monthly).
And yeah, there might have been one or two 'dupes' in there. {laughs}
It's kind of mean to assume we're stupid just because we managed to get some publicity for our tiny company. We still worked really hard on our product.
Ignore jerks like that. This is slashdot, and it can be the most incredibly interesting place, but it also attracts some of the most -apparently- useless individuals. Blame it on cheap PCs, or the small 'price we pay' for access.
You might have noticed a post referring to 'patents', and Omni using Apple 'patents'. Just another jerk that doesn't know the difference between patent infringement, and following the Apple APIs. What can ya do? As us older musicians used to say: "It takes the black keys and the white keys to make the whole piano."
I love OmniWeb, DiskSweeper, Graffle, and Outliner. Well done on all of them. (And by the way, you guys in the 'peanut gallery', I paid for my copies, no Demos.)
As for 'the peanut gallery' (yeah you, in mom and dad's basement), I am not a 'shill'. As a matter of fact I have been attempting to motivate a couple folks at OmniGroup to get the 'wonkiness' out of AdBlock (in OmniWeb). I use OmniWeb about 70% of the time, but the extensibility of Firefox is just another World. On the other hand, Firefox doesn't pay any attention to Apple APIs, though, and it shows. Again, not bad for a Windows 'alternative'. But on the Mac, OmniWeb is *the* alternative browser. No question about it.
I heard that when Steve Jobs showed up for his 'return' to Apple, he was running OmniWeb (in NeXTSTEP?) on a ThinkPad, and said (to the Apple engineers there) "When you build a better browser, I'll use it." I'm thinking either Steve is still using Omni, or he's more of a 'team player', these days. One or the other.
Why are we giving more opportunity to those people who already have all the opportunities in the world?
Because if we didn't, then 'the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer' would be a simple cliché, rather than an accurate depiction of the US socioeconomic structure.
Whose property has been taken?
Apple's.
Are you claiming that information is property?
It can be.
On what basis do you make that claim?
"property." Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. 2005. http://www.merriam-webster.com (8 Jan. 2005).
Oh Yeah? Well, in the spirit of Columbus (and the other Europeans') 'discovery' of America, I decided to 'discover Jaguar, Final Cut Pro, and a shitload of other stuff, so Fuck You, pal. Shove the fuckin' dictionary.
Apple's made their share of mistakes. With their great tech, and loyal base of users, and the over-emphasized 'design' thing, they've pulled some World Class Boners, themselves. They aren't 'kids', stupid, naive, or otherwise. And I'll bet that more than a few people will be watching to see what they really want to do to these kids' lives.
In the meantime, they should be aware that there are a lot more of 'us' out here, than there are them and their lawyers out in Cupertino. And if they decide to fuck around here, (when they should be focused on porting the Finder in Cocoa instead of fucking Carbon, etc.)... well, all I can say is: If anyone's interested in Final Cut Pro, Logic 7, Motion, DVD SP, or any OS from 6 to 9, to OSX to "name it and claim it", don't buy it until after this situation plays out.
Was the kid a bit naive? Sure. I'm occasionally on invitation-only torrents in the Mac, and multi-platform, scenes, and the trackers are adamant about people NOT distributing the torrent files, themselves, on other trackers. Always lots of warnings regarding "Don't share torrents, outside." So, I give the kid the benefit of the doubt regarding his belief that the buggy beta would stay 'inside' somewhat. He made, as Nixon put it, 'an error in judgment', no question of that.
I also believe that the real asshole in this situation was the 'paid-up' ADC Member who had the 'seed' of Tiger, in the first place, and 'gave' it to the kid with the freebie ADC account. (Trust me, the 'free' ADC accounts never see 'seeds' of an OS. Period.) He's the one who should be taken to the cleaners, not the kids.
Apple Computer is also made up of 'smart' people, with history and experience. And they should know, (as well as most of us here) that 'good' people do 'bad' things, and smart people are capable of doing the stupidest things.
I did some freelance work in the Securities industry (as an investment analyst for a small group of fellows), and one of the truisms in Markets and market interventions is this: The mechanisms put in place after a crisis, stock crash, etc, are never sufficient to prevent the next shock, and what is more, the mechanisms, themselves, almost invariably guarantee that the next 'event' will be far worse than the one that precipitated the intervention, and its so-called 'protection'. We'll just see... the ball is in Apple's court... for the time being.
That's right Iberians.... Canadians have long memories, don't expect us to accept much of your displaced population when the changing climate requires the evacuation of large chunks of your sub-continent. We'll take the UK, Eire, French, Germans, etc., but you fucking Pork-Spic ocean rapers can rot.
Ah yes, as Lenny on Law & Order said, "I love it when they're dumb."...
With apologies to my many Canadian friends, this asshole deserves a "history whuppin'"...
Back in the late 60s, I, myself, and thousands of students, scientists, and ordinary people, were involved in forcing a company called Dow Chemical (think 'Bhopal') to stop researching napalm and Agent Orange (a defoliant), in the US... and they did stop. But guess what? They simply moved their research into Canadian Universities.
What this toadie original poster has shown (inadvertently ) is this: The 'problem' isn't 'Iberians', or 'Canadians' , or even Canadian "First Nations people".
The real problem, as so eloquently voiced by this fuckwad, is ignorance of history, wrapped in false pride. Canadians, whom I got to know well, after living coast-to-coast-to-coast in Canada for 30 years, have many characteristics and actions to be proud of, but hypocrisy, as exhibited by this asswipe, isn't one of them.
The folks up North (of here, heheh) have a far better grasp of History, including world history, than most Americans I've ever gone to school with, or met...which only makes this one guy's racist ignorance that much more galling. The guy needs to grow up, and think. Not a likely event, perhaps, akin to 'When the Leafs win the Cup.":)
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jesus...what did you major in over at the "uni" ? Giving up early? Science for the Technically Retarded?
I did an install of XP Pro a couple nights ago, for a friend, and the Start button window...did you design that? It looks like the 'author' used Crayons and set it up for old folks in a hospital 'Activity" room....You must love that, eh?
Regarding "Delicious Monster"
That's the guys behind the Omni Group (OmniWeb) heheh, Jobs was using their browser when he came back to Apple.
Meanwhile, Mr. Jobs looked extremely lackluster at the last SF Mac show. Really ho-hum. I wondered if it was his health, or the crazy shit Apple was pulling with the News 'scoop' sites, or what...
Now this thing with the kids and a relative handful of folks taking a look at what's coming around the corner, a little early. Jesus, yo Jobs, chill a bit man. We need you to last for a while, there's real work to be done.
Like maybe, fire a couple lawyers, and get a couple motivated kids to fix the fucking Finder. It's been around forever, and even under OS X, after a reboot, the menus hesitate about dropping, the beach ball spins if you ask it to do two things almost at once, etc. And those keyboards, you should sue the mofos behind those pieces of shit right now. Dreadful. Check it out Steve, the fucking keyboard is the tactile interface to the whole schmear, get it? I mean, come on...
I used Earthlink for a long time as an ISP. Their policy changed to 2 GB per month per account. But it turned out ( I checked about 5 seconds after getting the alert email from E-link) that the 'account' referred to was one of your 5 aliases that came with the basic service. So...I just logged on as one of three 'rotating' accounts and as they neared the 2GB limit, shifted to a 'new' alias, creating aliases to replace 'old' ones, as needed. Bottom line: uninterrupted 30+ GB/month transfers. Meanwhile, I use Giganews ($24.99 unlimited d-loads, ability to saturate any pipe), and sometimes see my posts propagate to Verizon at the same time as on the Giga servers. (The 'path' from home to the Giga servers runs through Verizon, usenetserver, easynews, newsguy, etc... zero propagation probs when one keeps segment parts under 500kb). Usenet dying? Don't hold yer breath.
Not about Bush's out-of-work buddies. The main goal of the creation of DHS was to combine a shitload of unrelated departments full of civil servants and legislate their bargaining rights, etc, out of existence.
The same big carriers (backbones) are telcos and others. It was only 4 or 5 years ago they lost a big suit filed by an Association of Independent Service providers for doing the exact same thing. Customers (being newbies, for the most part, God Bless 'Em), were calling the local Bell saying, "I can't get through to the Internet." And were met with, "Well, your line is fine, why don't you let me connect you to our Internet Provider (sic) and we can have you back online in 5 minutes?"
It was predatory and illegal then, and it will be judged in the same manner, again. It's nice to see so many people getting up to defend Goliath, here. What a progressive bunch.Shame.
I got a little bad news for ya, pal. All your planning, and decisive activity is nothing but simple strategy to accommodate your instinct-driven nature.
Nice try at some quasi science in support of self-preservation of your delusions of grandeur, though. ( said 'delusions' being mere extensions of 'self', ergo, the instinct of self-preservation at 'work')
Next.
You're right, at first anyway...you 'don't know'... nice job your 'thinking' did taming 'nature' recently, that tsunami might have hurt somebody without your superiority.Get a fucking clue.
Yeah, amazing huh? It's got something to do with that 'Back door" they were talking about a while ago.
Uhhh....no you wouldn't :)
an insurance company, or a bank? yeah, maybe.
Yeah, I understand that position. I mean, why be a second or 'same' rate version of a second-rate thing, in the first place. But come on, 'aim high, settle for a tie' is almost certain to yield better efforts and results than 'aim for a tie'. My point, whether clear or not, was that competition (in the true sense, that of 'competing to win'), would push both sides, further. Even if a desktop Linux came out with a GUI/CLI that was as good as OS X I wouldn't switch, what would be the point? It isn't going to happen, anyway, because Apple, under current leadership (no bets on what happens 'after'), isn't sitting still. by the way, as far as MS goes, they've coerced, manipulated, co-opted, assimilated... but 'struggled'? I don't see it.
It's a leapfrog thing. You know, the old 'standing on the shoulders of giants' math thing. Original poster had the right idea. "As good as" is like setting 'mediocrity' (not to mention, 'redundance') as a goal. That's not a 'goal' at all.
I just hope the hardcore Linux, *nix developers start working on squeezing the most out of cycles and RAM, rather than using the apparent 'abundance' of those two things as a 'cushion'. Tighten it up, that's what i say.
If Apple has to bust ass to stay in the thick of the tech 'wedge' between empowerment and the 'lowest common denominator' 'good enough for the newbs' stuff, then so be it.
As a user, I don't give a rat's ass about competition in the marketplace. I want the people writing the code of the stuff I want to use, to have a drive to be 'better than the rest', and if they get surpassed, to just get back in and do it again, and on and on.
I'm a long-time Apple and SGI user (mainly Apple) who works full-time on Compaqs at work (day job)...and believe me, Apple is doing Anybody who buys a Mini a HUGE favor in not shipping an Apple "Pro" keyboard with the unit. Ask any halfway honest Mac user, they'll tell you the same thing. It's a marvel of a technological piece of shit. I'm convinced the 'keys' are riding on a bed of room temperature oatmeal (with a 'splash' of cream for added 'muck' factor). Terrible, that a company could cram pretty good tech and engineering into boxes, and make the tactile user 'interface' so atrocious. I'll take my throwawy Compaq board (from 5 or 6 yrs ago), any day of the week. The Mouse? I've been on Kengington TurboPro trackballs forever. 'Nuff said.
And yeah, the Control keys are in the same spot, and the Apple alt-Option key is in the middle, like the Start key, Apple's Command (or 'splat' key - next to the spacebar) is the 'Alt' key. Switching, in this case, is trivial. The devil is in the PS/2 vs. USB hookup, it can be negotiated. Also, the older Apple Extended Keyboards (which go for about $5 on eBay), can be used with an ADB - USB converter, and they are the 'one' for the Mac
Yup, I don't really disagree with your point, despite last night's evidence to the contrary :=)
I use Filemaker Pro, myself, for a database with well over 100k audio samples for theater/film, and it took forever to properly construct (the time was spent in intellectual construct, not mechanical efforts at all, still...). But, now, it will load and open to results of many-angled queries faster than Safari loads. heheh. Not for everybody. No doubt.
Last notion: With Oracle 10g ported to OS X, there's no need for Access, now, heheh. Go Larry, Beat Bill! :)
how about every iTunes user for starters?
Apple uses XML all over the place, and really, for all we know, their DTD could be huge, and iTunes is just a minor slice of the whole.
But that's the Apple way, isn't it? To let the user benefit from an application without realizing that there are parsers, and databases, and hidden global prefs, and GUI front-ends to piped Unix commands, doing all the actual 'work' behind the scenes.
It's kind of like a Wizard of Oz, in reverse, wherein the simple facade masks a very intricate, complex,well-engineered system. Ya gotta love it.,/P>I certainly don't have a factual answer to that question, but my 'take' on the whole deal is that Apple's Macintosh is NeXT, basically, now. It has far more in common with the NeXT platform than the old pre-OS X platform.
The weird thing is that quasi-Open apps like Firefox, which I'm using right at the moment (because OmniWeb is on the other monitor keeping my places in a few chm-to-html 'books' right now), look more like Windows on a Mac, than true Mach-O and Cocoa apps.
Looks like it could hurt InDesign, maybe, and kill those "Lost Kitten" posters written in Quark, hopefully.
I got the feeling that Jobs, in his presentation, was seeming to express 'wonder' over the use of templates... which struck me as rather ridiculous, at the time.
No. It's a somewhat complicated story, but it started out as a database app written by Rupert Lissner. He decided to expand it to a three-app 'suite'. He wrote the programs on an Apple ///, which actually came out 3 years before the Apple //e. (The // was released 6 years before the //e). The //e was released in early 83, I think, but the AppleWorks wasn't sold until 84, it wasn't 'bundled', either.
When he brought the app to Apple, I think it was called A-B-C (like 1-2-3, get it?) but it predated Lotus. At the time he was working it out he went to a presentation by some Lotus guys at a seminar where the Lotus guys were asserting that a 'suite' of complementary apps was logically impossible to write. Rupert got a kick out of that, apparently. Apple bought the package, partially. They kept the version for the //e, and let Rupert keep his version for the ///. A year after the //e was released, the Apple-owned app came out as AppleWorks. Rupert called his app /// E-Z Pieces. There were plugins from Bank St, the Beagle Brothers, and others, as well as cool standalones from all those guys, too.
When ProDOS 3.3 was ported back to the ///, AppleWorks was also ported back. Meanwhile, by the end of 1985, AppleWorks, in its first year on the market, became the biggest selling software app ever. (up until then). Apple was furious in a way, because 'they' hadn't developed it. They shunned Rupert and never mentioned the name AppleWorks in any advertising (most famously an ad that had an AppleWorks screenshot, and then listed something like 28 apps on the box, except for AppleWorks, itself.) When AppleWorks fell out of the number one selling slot in office/business software, the top ten selling apps were mostly plugins and third-party add-ons written by third-party folks for it. Meanwhile, Rupert went to MS, with his old version, and that became Microsoft Works.
Apple had a rep for writing software that would dominate the market it was written for, and the fact that that was scaring away third-party developers led them to spin off the app into a new company called Claris, where it got revitalized, and again became the biggest selling suite on the Apple, and Macintosh platforms. The //e was a very cool, small computer that Apple also sabotaged. They wouldn't allow the engineers to implement design mods that made it faster than the ///. Very fucking baby-like attitude. The //gs was the first of the 16-bit audio boxes, and was all over the pro recording biz. The Apple // line, from the e to the gs, just about refused to die. The /// was supposed to be the 'business' machine, but was a huge failure. Jobs wasn't running the show back then, he just worked there, in a way, and was attracted to the //e project because of the challenge (at that time) of producing such a low profile box.They really were quite remarkable, then.
Totally.
I collected records, and, to a lesser extent, books. When I was a part owner of a record shop I took records in lieu of profit-sharing, or pay. My weekly stipend? 400 albums. And I spent my weekends driving to jobbers, hitting flea markets (including the cool one at Capitol Records, monthly).
And yeah, there might have been one or two 'dupes' in there. {laughs}
Ignore jerks like that. This is slashdot, and it can be the most incredibly interesting place, but it also attracts some of the most -apparently- useless individuals. Blame it on cheap PCs, or the small 'price we pay' for access.
You might have noticed a post referring to 'patents', and Omni using Apple 'patents'. Just another jerk that doesn't know the difference between patent infringement, and following the Apple APIs. What can ya do? As us older musicians used to say: "It takes the black keys and the white keys to make the whole piano."
I love OmniWeb, DiskSweeper, Graffle, and Outliner. Well done on all of them. (And by the way, you guys in the 'peanut gallery', I paid for my copies, no Demos.)
As for 'the peanut gallery' (yeah you, in mom and dad's basement), I am not a 'shill'. As a matter of fact I have been attempting to motivate a couple folks at OmniGroup to get the 'wonkiness' out of AdBlock (in OmniWeb). I use OmniWeb about 70% of the time, but the extensibility of Firefox is just another World. On the other hand, Firefox doesn't pay any attention to Apple APIs, though, and it shows. Again, not bad for a Windows 'alternative'. But on the Mac, OmniWeb is *the* alternative browser. No question about it.
I heard that when Steve Jobs showed up for his 'return' to Apple, he was running OmniWeb (in NeXTSTEP?) on a ThinkPad, and said (to the Apple engineers there) "When you build a better browser, I'll use it." I'm thinking either Steve is still using Omni, or he's more of a 'team player', these days. One or the other.
Regards
~flipper
Because if we didn't, then 'the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer' would be a simple cliché, rather than an accurate depiction of the US socioeconomic structure.
Who told? :)
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Apple's made their share of mistakes. With their great tech, and loyal base of users, and the over-emphasized 'design' thing, they've pulled some World Class Boners, themselves. They aren't 'kids', stupid, naive, or otherwise. And I'll bet that more than a few people will be watching to see what they really want to do to these kids' lives.
In the meantime, they should be aware that there are a lot more of 'us' out here, than there are them and their lawyers out in Cupertino. And if they decide to fuck around here, (when they should be focused on porting the Finder in Cocoa instead of fucking Carbon, etc.)... well, all I can say is: If anyone's interested in Final Cut Pro, Logic 7, Motion, DVD SP, or any OS from 6 to 9, to OSX to "name it and claim it", don't buy it until after this situation plays out.
...how Apple plays this one.
Was the kid a bit naive? Sure. I'm occasionally on invitation-only torrents in the Mac, and multi-platform, scenes, and the trackers are adamant about people NOT distributing the torrent files, themselves, on other trackers. Always lots of warnings regarding "Don't share torrents, outside." So, I give the kid the benefit of the doubt regarding his belief that the buggy beta would stay 'inside' somewhat. He made, as Nixon put it, 'an error in judgment', no question of that.
I also believe that the real asshole in this situation was the 'paid-up' ADC Member who had the 'seed' of Tiger, in the first place, and 'gave' it to the kid with the freebie ADC account. (Trust me, the 'free' ADC accounts never see 'seeds' of an OS. Period.) He's the one who should be taken to the cleaners, not the kids.
Apple Computer is also made up of 'smart' people, with history and experience. And they should know, (as well as most of us here) that 'good' people do 'bad' things, and smart people are capable of doing the stupidest things.
I did some freelance work in the Securities industry (as an investment analyst for a small group of fellows), and one of the truisms in Markets and market interventions is this: The mechanisms put in place after a crisis, stock crash, etc, are never sufficient to prevent the next shock, and what is more, the mechanisms, themselves, almost invariably guarantee that the next 'event' will be far worse than the one that precipitated the intervention, and its so-called 'protection'. We'll just see... the ball is in Apple's court... for the time being.
Ah yes, as Lenny on Law & Order said, "I love it when they're dumb."...
With apologies to my many Canadian friends, this asshole deserves a "history whuppin'"...
Back in the late 60s, I, myself, and thousands of students, scientists, and ordinary people, were involved in forcing a company called Dow Chemical (think 'Bhopal') to stop researching napalm and Agent Orange (a defoliant), in the US... and they did stop. But guess what? They simply moved their research into Canadian Universities.
What this toadie original poster has shown (inadvertently ) is this: The 'problem' isn't 'Iberians', or 'Canadians' , or even Canadian "First Nations people".
The real problem, as so eloquently voiced by this fuckwad, is ignorance of history, wrapped in false pride. Canadians, whom I got to know well, after living coast-to-coast-to-coast in Canada for 30 years, have many characteristics and actions to be proud of, but hypocrisy, as exhibited by this asswipe, isn't one of them.
The folks up North (of here, heheh) have a far better grasp of History, including world history, than most Americans I've ever gone to school with, or met...which only makes this one guy's racist ignorance that much more galling. The guy needs to grow up, and think. Not a likely event, perhaps, akin to 'When the Leafs win the Cup." :)