That's a *very* interesting point, and I wish I'd seen it earlier. I am using a "clean" install of Vista which may be the reason UAC "intrusions" are very rare for me. Like you, the only reason I even *have* Vista is because I had to buy a new family computer, and it came with Vista pre-installed. I never even considered upgrading.
Hmm... I wonder if the upgrade issues have something to do with FAT32 being the underlying format rather than NTFS.
The implication of constant security popups -- they're actually quite rare. They occur at the same times that you might have to use sudo on OSX -- when you want to do something that you're not allowed to do. Like, say, adding a file to a directory on which you don't have write permissions.
It's clear you're an Apple-hater
I think you read the wrong post; I'm actually *not* an Apple-hater. I don't hate any operating system or platform. I am not a zealot with blinders on drinking my anti-whatever kool-aid, like so many out there on either side of the debate. I happen to like and use Vista, and I happen to like and use OSX. I even *gasp* use and like linux. Although I still think both vi *and* emacs suck. ducks the impending flamewar
but you don't offer any examples beyond a vague implication that endless security prompts also appear in OS X, which isn't true.
Again, please read my post. I do not imply that OSX has endless security prompts, I imply that Vista does *not*.
As for the difference between Apple's ads and Vista's ads, Apple's ads correctly point out the difficulties and hassles of using PCs compared to Macs.
No, they don't -- the ads are blatant lies. By that I do not mean that OSX is bad, but that Vista is actually *not* bad.
I love them.
Actually, so do I. They're quite funny. Innaccurate.... but funny.
Microsoft's are goofy marketing drivel about "Wow" and other goofiness. No wonder Vista is a flop sales-wise.
Again, I agree. Snoozefest. And, please, the window switcher is neat, and the frosty windows are meh, but they're not a great reason to get Vista! The problem is that the changes with Vista are mostly under the hood. There are very few things on the surface that are new. Now, if Microsoft focused on the new parental controls, which are frankly amazing, they might get a winner ad.
Yes, we're all familiar with the inaccuracies of Apple's ads. Here's a more accurate (but less funny) "man in black" statement:
"You want to write a file to a directory you don't have permission to use. Please log in as an administrator to do so. Otherwise, fuck off."
Of course in OSX you could just SU and go ahead and write that damn file wherever you please. Wait, that seems a little familiar...
On a side note, since you brought up Apple's ads, I'd like to discuss the difference between Apple's ads and Microsoft's Vista ads. Have you noticed the huge difference? Vista focuses on all the nifty things you can do (albeit a little too much on the window-switching gimmick -- we get it!), while Apple focuses instead on the other guy. Why? "This product sucks, buy my product instead!" isn't exactly whelming.
When I installed Vista, I had to click no less than 50 security confirmation dialog boxes (it's important to note that these were security dialog boxes) within the first hour or so in order to do simple, stupid stuff that clearly should not have needed confirmation. Stuff like changing my desktop background. Stuff like moving some documents around on a removable hard drive. Stuff like copying a line of text from an IE7 edit box. Stuff like pasting that line of text into a different IE7 edit box. Stuff like creating a new text file on my removable hard drive. And so on, and so on, ad nauseum.
I change the background and move and create files without security alerts showing up. And yes, the security thing is still on. I think there's something wrong with your Vista...
Actually, every example the original poster gave appeared to be an outright lie. I doubt he even *has* Vista.
Moving documents to and creating a text document on a removable hard drive were the most *plausible* examples, and could cause a security confirmation -- if he doesn't have permissions to write on the removable hard drive. Big surprise there. In linux, a unix flavor, or OSX, he wouldn't be able to do it at all -- unless he always logs in as root.
Seriously, have you talked to Microsoft yet? I've had the same or similar problems in the past, and had no trouble getting a new key issued. Just call them up. They might surprise you.
Perhaps someone can confirm to me whether or not my concerns is valid--has MS learned anything or are they still pushing the user around by doing too may user-interface alterations automatically?
You should do a little research into Microsoft's motives before you blindly bash. Really. The vast majority of the changes Microsoft implements are the result of user request and feedback. They spend millions of dollars on focus groups and interactivity research.
There is a reason the original post called Office "bloatware". Even Microsoft acknowledges it; they've been fighting it for years. Back in Office 2000, they introduced "adaptive menus", which you (and everyone else) hated. Why did they do it? Because people were bitching about the menus being too big and hard to navigate. They acknowledge it was a mistake, and (FYI) Office 2007 apps that don't have the Ribbon (like Visio) will have adaptive menus turned off by default.
My point is that Microsoft is not "forcing" anything on the user; they're actually *gasp* trying to help the user, trying to give them what they want. For more info on the motives behind Office, I suggest you read Jensen Harris's blog. Start with the Office 2007 UI Bible. Very informative.
I suppose the title would be better phrased as "Electronic Paper Component Plant...", rather than "Electronic Paper Plant...". That was the original poster's objection -- it's not making actual electronic paper, but components that could be used for electronic paper. It's a little like saying that a video card manufacturing plant is a computer manufacturing plant.
But when you have a week when you're not under intense deadlines, give it a chance. I've really learned to like it, and think it does add some clarification to UI that was the definition and punchline of "Bloatware"
Why? It's like getting into a car and finding that the UI you have come to love to hate has changed to something completely different. Gone is the steering wheel as you know it, gone are the foot pedals, and gone are the buttons that operate the comfort controls. In its place you have a foreign interface that will take a few days to get used to for no good reason other than Bill and his head of Office development decided it would be a good idea.
A more appropriate metaphor would have been "gone is the steering wheel and foot pedals and 15 bajillion buttons and dongles (dongles being equivalent to pull-down menus, to clarify the metaphor) on your dashboard that you only rarely used, and in its place is a steering wheel and foot pedals and a streamlined context-sensitive dash-board control with only a few buttons, but only the buttons that you happen to need at the time"
Was that supposed to read "No macros will work, fine" or even just "no marcos will work fine"?
No... He means... "No (as in it won't break all the Macros he's written), macros still work fine (as in... they work)" Get your English straight, and learn to use punctuation... GR
That "wooshing" sound you just heard is that (admittedly rather lame) joke going right over your head. Or perhaps under your feet.
Wait, were you just pretending to get all upset over it? Maybe I should listen for a "woosh"....
Heh... MUDs were my first forray into programming as well. My haunt was a place called Castle Aaaaarrrrrrghh..... It ran over at Michigan State University back in '92. I can still remember the address.... 35.8.1.10, port 7777. Those were the days.
Ah... well do I remember the days of TSR's hate-on for its fans! I missed the DikuMUD scenario, but if it was like the others, I'm sure it was dramatic.
Fortran does actually have some very useful features not found in c or most other languages, especially when doing vector processing; it would be in your best interest to (*gasp*) learn the language rather than run f2c. Also, I would remind you that you compiled c and fortran are link-compatible, so you could create a function-interface specification that would allow you and your curmudgeon to work together, rather than cross-purposes.
Your problem is you think "space exploration" is the crap on Star Trek, and if you're not going between stars, it doesn't count. Sorry, but you don't speak well for your generation.
I'm not of the 18-25 generation, but I think what you said explains the situation nicely. Whether you like it or not, people do associate space exploration with boldly going to the new frontier and conquering it Kirk-style or negotiating with it Picard-style.
As I mentioned in my post, the problem is that we no longer have a frontier -- at least, not an available one. We already know what's out there in our own solar system: we've robotically explored Mars, we've taken high-resolution pictures of the giants, we've demoted Pluto. Additionally, what we've done is pretty much all we're capable of doing, either for political, economic, or physical reasons. We're not about to leave the solar system until somebody figures out FTL travel -- assuming it's even possible which is still highly debatable. We're not about to terraform Mars because, well, it's not likely it's physically possible; and if it is, the cost would be huge.
Until what's out there becomes unknown, accessible, and just a little bit sexy-dangerous, space exploration will continue to lack that "wow" charm for that "iPod generation".
Your problem is you think "space exploration" is the crap on Star Trek, and if you're not going between stars, it doesn't count. Sorry, but you don't speak well for your generation.
I'm not <em>of</em> the 18-25 generation, but I think what you said explains the situation nicely. Whether you like it or not, people do associate space exploration with boldly going to the new frontier and conquering it Kirk-style or negotiating with it Picard-style.<br/><br/>
As I mentioned in my post, the problem is that we no longer have a frontier -- at least, not an available one. We already know what's out there in our own solar system: we've robotically explored Mars, we've taken high-resolution pictures of the giants, we've demoted Pluto. Additionally, what we've done is pretty much all we're capable of doing, either for political, economic, or physical reasons. We're not about to leave the solar system until somebody figures out FTL travel -- assuming it's even possible which is still highly debatable. We're not about to terraform Mars because, well, it's not likely it's physically possible; and if it is, the cost would be huge. <br/><br/>Until what's out there becomes unknown, <b>accessible</b>, and just a little bit sexy-dangerous, space exploration will continue to lack that "wow" charm for that "iPod generation".
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That's a *very* interesting point, and I wish I'd seen it earlier. I am using a "clean" install of Vista which may be the reason UAC "intrusions" are very rare for me. Like you, the only reason I even *have* Vista is because I had to buy a new family computer, and it came with Vista pre-installed. I never even considered upgrading.
Hmm... I wonder if the upgrade issues have something to do with FAT32 being the underlying format rather than NTFS.
I think the funniest thing about your post is that is has (as of the time I'm posting) +1 Informative.
No, the guy just took his anti-MS kool-aid then lied through his teeth. That doesn't happen, period.
Yes, we're all familiar with the inaccuracies of Apple's ads. Here's a more accurate (but less funny) "man in black" statement:
"You want to write a file to a directory you don't have permission to use. Please log in as an administrator to do so. Otherwise, fuck off."
Of course in OSX you could just SU and go ahead and write that damn file wherever you please. Wait, that seems a little familiar...
On a side note, since you brought up Apple's ads, I'd like to discuss the difference between Apple's ads and Microsoft's Vista ads. Have you noticed the huge difference? Vista focuses on all the nifty things you can do (albeit a little too much on the window-switching gimmick -- we get it!), while Apple focuses instead on the other guy. Why? "This product sucks, buy my product instead!" isn't exactly whelming.
Moving documents to and creating a text document on a removable hard drive were the most *plausible* examples, and could cause a security confirmation -- if he doesn't have permissions to write on the removable hard drive. Big surprise there. In linux, a unix flavor, or OSX, he wouldn't be able to do it at all -- unless he always logs in as root.
I'd be willing to bet that he does.
Well, I'll say this about a Pokemon MMORPG:
:D
I'd really love to grind Pikachu. Into dust.
Or, I'd really love to grind that Team Rocket chick Jessie. In an entirely different way.
Or,
Nah, I'll stop there.
Except that you have to *not* smoke it. Bit of a dealbreaker for you hemp-lovers.
That might solve the "I want diamonds" problem, but there are two fatal flaws:
1) Eating carbon won't reduce carbon dioxide
2) The folks at DeBeers will come for you in the dead of night.
DINGDINGDINGDINGDING
Discussion closed. There is nothing else to post. You, sir, are right on the money.
Er, by that I meant the full movie that can be watched. Not the movie's website.
Sorry, thought I was being precise there. My bad.
Seriously, have you talked to Microsoft yet? I've had the same or similar problems in the past, and had no trouble getting a new key issued. Just call them up. They might surprise you.
I mean, come on, we're SLASHDOT, people! Why hasn't anybody found the movie online and posted a link to it yet?
Pay absolutely no attention to the fact that I failed to find it. Yeah. And ignore that man behind the curtain, too.
Wow, 200 posts, and not one complaint about railgun campers. I guess nobody plays Quake anymore.
Case in point: TSR.
There is a reason the original post called Office "bloatware". Even Microsoft acknowledges it; they've been fighting it for years. Back in Office 2000, they introduced "adaptive menus", which you (and everyone else) hated. Why did they do it? Because people were bitching about the menus being too big and hard to navigate. They acknowledge it was a mistake, and (FYI) Office 2007 apps that don't have the Ribbon (like Visio) will have adaptive menus turned off by default.
My point is that Microsoft is not "forcing" anything on the user; they're actually *gasp* trying to help the user, trying to give them what they want. For more info on the motives behind Office, I suggest you read Jensen Harris's blog. Start with the Office 2007 UI Bible. Very informative.
I suppose the title would be better phrased as "Electronic Paper Component Plant...", rather than "Electronic Paper Plant...". That was the original poster's objection -- it's not making actual electronic paper, but components that could be used for electronic paper. It's a little like saying that a video card manufacturing plant is a computer manufacturing plant.
Wait, were you just pretending to get all upset over it? Maybe I should listen for a "woosh"....
Er... is that for giving bills to pasty-covered strippers and saying "shake-it, baby!", or for equally unraunchy "penthouse level"?
Heh... MUDs were my first forray into programming as well. My haunt was a place called Castle Aaaaarrrrrrghh..... It ran over at Michigan State University back in '92. I can still remember the address.... 35.8.1.10, port 7777. Those were the days.
I wonder if it's still up? Doubt it.
Ah... well do I remember the days of TSR's hate-on for its fans! I missed the DikuMUD scenario, but if it was like the others, I'm sure it was dramatic.
Fortran does actually have some very useful features not found in c or most other languages, especially when doing vector processing; it would be in your best interest to (*gasp*) learn the language rather than run f2c. Also, I would remind you that you compiled c and fortran are link-compatible, so you could create a function-interface specification that would allow you and your curmudgeon to work together, rather than cross-purposes.
As I mentioned in my post, the problem is that we no longer have a frontier -- at least, not an available one. We already know what's out there in our own solar system: we've robotically explored Mars, we've taken high-resolution pictures of the giants, we've demoted Pluto. Additionally, what we've done is pretty much all we're capable of doing, either for political, economic, or physical reasons. We're not about to leave the solar system until somebody figures out FTL travel -- assuming it's even possible which is still highly debatable. We're not about to terraform Mars because, well, it's not likely it's physically possible; and if it is, the cost would be huge.
Until what's out there becomes unknown, accessible, and just a little bit sexy-dangerous, space exploration will continue to lack that "wow" charm for that "iPod generation".
I'm not <em>of</em> the 18-25 generation, but I think what you said explains the situation nicely. Whether you like it or not, people do associate space exploration with boldly going to the new frontier and conquering it Kirk-style or negotiating with it Picard-style.<br/><br/>
As I mentioned in my post, the problem is that we no longer have a frontier -- at least, not an available one. We already know what's out there in our own solar system: we've robotically explored Mars, we've taken high-resolution pictures of the giants, we've demoted Pluto. Additionally, what we've done is pretty much all we're capable of doing, either for political, economic, or physical reasons. We're not about to leave the solar system until somebody figures out FTL travel -- assuming it's even possible which is still highly debatable. We're not about to terraform Mars because, well, it's not likely it's physically possible; and if it is, the cost would be huge.
<br/><br/>Until what's out there becomes unknown, <b>accessible</b>, and just a little bit sexy-dangerous, space exploration will continue to lack that "wow" charm for that "iPod generation".