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Interview With "Switcher Girl" Ellen Feiss

Ed over in Accounting writes in with a Macinstein interview with Ellen Feiss, an Internet cult figure of a bygone era. Back in 2002, in the heyday of Apple's "Switcher" ads, the 14-year-old Feiss garnered a bit more than 15 minutes of fame. Her Switcher ad became an instant classic — partly because of the widespread belief that she was stoned while filming it, which she says was not the case. In the interview Feiss, who is now a college student with one movie behind her, talks about pseudo Internet fame, drugs, and acting. She says she's still using the same G4 she had when the ad ran. Nostalgia bonus: the ad is embedded at the end of the interview.

351 comments

  1. Oh dear. by Funkcikle · · Score: 5, Funny

    She actually says "Psych!", as if she is still 14. She may have well as ended a hilariously fallacious statement with "...NOT!".

    1. Re:Oh dear. by Mal-2 · · Score: 0

      I fear the "NOT" joke comeback (thanks to "Borat") has led to anything similar making a comeback as well. Like "Psych!" I hope it is short-lived, it will not be forgivable for long.

      Mal-2

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    2. Re:Oh dear. by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hope it is short-lived, it will not be forgivable for long.

          Meh. As if.

    3. Re:Oh dear. by kjart · · Score: 5, Funny

      ..and you used "oh dear" as if you're retired and like to knit for your grandchildren. Judging people based on a word or two is fun!

    4. Re:Oh dear. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:Oh dear. by somersault · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm a retired grandmother who likes to knit, you insensetive clod!

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    6. Re:Oh dear. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Irony: The article itself reeks of snobbery and "how much better" the people are that don't use "meh."

    7. Re:Oh dear. by MsGeek · · Score: 1

      Returning to popularity? Yeah. Forgivable? Not so much.

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    8. Re:Oh dear. by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

      ".. hey, missy, go knit me a sweater before I slap you in the face!"

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    9. Re:Oh dear. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      I am the insensitive clod, you, discriminating person.

    10. Re:Oh dear. by Associate · · Score: 1

      What ev!

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    11. Re:Oh dear. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Meh.

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    12. Re:Oh dear. by evilviper · · Score: 1

      ..and you used "oh dear" as if you're retired and like to knit for your grandchildren.
      Oh monkey trumpets...
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    13. Re:Oh dear. by O'Laochdha · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting "Michael was hoping for something a bit more dramatic, or at least less dated."

    14. Re:Oh dear. by umbrellasd · · Score: 1

      By golly, you have a point.

  2. Foreign film by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 0
    No doubt set in Amserdam.

    To me it looks more like she's lost her contact lenses than is stoned.

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    1. Re:Foreign film by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      have you seen the ad? she was most definitely stoned. even if she had put in clear eyes you'd be able to tell from her demeanor.

    2. Re:Foreign film by Gospodin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow am I square. It took me until this post (I haven't RTFA yet) to realize that the summary wasn't referring to a Biblical stoning. Yikes.

      "Clear eyes? How would that protect this poor girl from a thrown... ooooh!"

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    3. Re:Foreign film by operagost · · Score: 1

      She claims it was cough medicine.

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    4. Re:Foreign film by CptPicard · · Score: 1

      Are you by any chance related to Ned Flanders?

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  3. Stoned? by noz · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wasn't stoned when I saw the ad either!

    1. Re:Stoned? by jkrise · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I wasn't stoned when I saw the ad either!"

      Getting stoned for watching Mac ads is so 5 years ago... these days you get 'chaired'.

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    2. Re:Stoned? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, but I've still got a 5 year old G4 sitting in a corner at home. It runs Linux just fine... ;-)

    3. Re:Stoned? by kv9 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Fair enough, but I've still got a 5 year old G4 sitting in a corner at home. It runs Linux just fine... ;-)

      you'll get double chaired!

    4. Re:Stoned? by somersault · · Score: 2, Funny

      it's easier in these cases just to use a couch

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    5. Re:Stoned? by COMON$ · · Score: 2, Funny

      Then you should check out this if you havent already... http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54

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    6. Re:Stoned? by zobier · · Score: 1

      Getting stoned for watching Mac ads is so 5 years ago... these days you get 'chaired'. Anyone wanna get chaired this W/E?
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  4. pupils by slazar · · Score: 1

    boy those pupils look big in the pic from bed and breakfast. did they do that on purpose? she can never live it down!

    1. Re:pupils by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It could simply be that she had a crush on the camera person. Pupils dialate for all manner of reason.

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    2. Re:pupils by lysergic.acid · · Score: 2, Informative

      she said she was hired for the role because her character goes on a shroom trip. and shrooms do make your pupils dilate.

    3. Re:pupils by zombie_striptease · · Score: 1

      ...OR, maybe she could be in low light and looking into the distance? Geez, Occam's razor goes right out the window with you folks sometimes.

    4. Re:pupils by fafalone · · Score: 3, Informative

      It could simply be that she had a crush on the camera person. Pupils dialate for all manner of reason.

      When filming a scene, there's all sorts of lights pointed at the set, and you can see there's a light pointed right at her face. Natural causes of pupil dilation simply don't dilate THAT much when there's a light of any noticeable intensity on the eye. To have eyes like that without a chemical influence, she'd have to be in dim light AND having a physiological response, or complete darkness, to get that wide.
      That said, the chemical influence causing it isn't necessarily a hallucinogen (or a stimulant), it could be the same stuff the optometrist uses, to simulate the effect of drugs. The actors in drug movies don't really take drugs in front of the camera, most of the time anyway.

    5. Re:pupils by udderly · · Score: 4, Funny

      or maybe she was frightened by rogue clowns from outer space who just flew into the room wearing nothing but loincloths and Cyndi Lauper concert T-shirts. That's a perfectly reasonable explanation too.

    6. Re:pupils by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1, Funny
      Geez, Occam's razor goes right out the window with you folks sometimes.


      Naw, it's because drugs are cool man. Didn't you know, it's ok for people to be stoned while using heavy equipment or taking care of your bank accounts. Nothing wrong with that. It's like, the thing to do to escape and relax.

      Besides, what do you care if the guy next to you is doing coke? Just because he gets a bad batch and flips out on your ass doesn't mean it's a bad thing. It's like, you know, just one of those things.

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    7. Re:pupils by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Informative

      That said, the chemical influence causing it isn't necessarily a hallucinogen (or a stimulant), it could be the same stuff the optometrist uses, to simulate the effect of drugs.

            Atropine is available in eye-drops, it blocks muscarinic receptors and causes pupillary dilation. It has been used for hundreds of years by women because they thought dilated pupils make them look "sexy". In fact atropine is derived from the "belladonna" plant, bella donna meaning "beautiful woman" in latin.

            There are other antimuscarinincs that can be used by hollywood to acheive this effect, since atropine can dilate pupils for weeks at a time which is not a good thing if you plan to be outside once in a while...

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    8. Re:pupils by thousandinone · · Score: 1

      The most violent act ever done under the influence of marijuana would be breaking into a convenience store to get pop tarts.

    9. Re:pupils by phoenixwade · · Score: 1

      Isn't being stoned a much simpler explanation?

      Besides, I heard from a friend of the girlfriend of her agents brother that she was "Doing Kermit"...... So I'm sure that's the real story..... And I'm sticking to it.

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    10. Re:pupils by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, committing a crime by destroying someone else's property, which the owner will have to pay for out of their own pocket to get fixed, because someone was using drugs.

      That's ok, right?

      You do realize that most crime is committed by people *NOT* on drugs?

      So it's okay to commit a crime, just as long as you're not on drugs, right?

      Get a clue.

    11. Re:pupils by zombie_striptease · · Score: 1

      It has been used for hundreds of years by women because they thought dilated pupils make them look "sexy".

      Probably made their dates look nicer, too. :P

    12. Re:pupils by kill-1 · · Score: 1

      Belladonna is Italian, not Latin. But you were quite close.

    13. Re:pupils by thousandinone · · Score: 1

      That was a joke, and it was in reference to someone 'flipping out' on you under the influence of coke, which I don't believe was mentioned in the article at all.

    14. Re:pupils by Poltras · · Score: 1

      Hey! I love pop tarts.

    15. Re:pupils by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Besides, what do you care if the guy next to you is doing coke? Just because he gets a bad batch and flips out on your ass..."

      I'm not advocating using coke, but, before you post about it...try to know a little about what the effects of each drug does. People do no 'flip out' on cocaine if it is a 'bad batch'...there is no such thing. This is not like LSD or another hallucinogin where you can lose touch with reality...and 'flip out'.

      But, look, all these chemicals have different effects on your body. Alcohol is just as much a drug as pot or coke or anything else, and just as dangerous. No one should be using them when they are working, that is not what you are being paid to do.

      Personally, I don't do them, but, I don't see the reasons that some of them are classified illegal and some of them are not...I think in a person's own free time, they should be able to ingest what they wish, I don't think it is the state's place to save someone from their own stupidity if they make bad choices.

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    16. Re:pupils by Blappo · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to kick you in the nuts. You deserve it.

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    17. Re:pupils by georgewad · · Score: 1

      Man, you should relax. It was a joke. dood.

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    18. Re:pupils by PateraSilk · · Score: 1

      Occam's Razor says that someone Photoshopped larger pupils on the publicity still to make her seem more inviting. As is done with just about every photo for public consumption these days.

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    19. Re:pupils by eno2001 · · Score: 1

      Yes... if someone wants to take an overdose of bleach in the privacy and comfort of their own home, they should be allowed to dammit!!!

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    20. Re:pupils by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Funny

      The most violent act ever done under the influence of marijuana would be breaking into a convenience store to get pop tarts.

            You've never watched much "Trailer Park Boys", have you? Granted, the cougar on pot was pretty mellow . . .. but horny!

    21. Re:pupils by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      He had seen the commercial and wanted me for this particular part-mostly because there is a scene where I trip on mushrooms in it.

      If you want to find the most obvious explaination, then that would probably be it. I'm not saying she's actually on shrooms, but the picture shows her with full pupil dilation in moderate light. Isn't it possible that that's the scene she was referring to? I dunno, maybe they gave her contact lenses or something, but it's not like this is a very contrived explaination when she blatantly says thats partly what the movie was about.

    22. Re:pupils by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they're making pupils bigger in photos, it's probably to remove the reflection of the lights you get in any hi-res studio photo of someone looking directly at the camera.

    23. Re:pupils by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish to subscribe to your newletter.

    24. Re:pupils by PakProtector · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes... if someone wants to take an overdose of bleach in the privacy and comfort of their own home, they should be allowed to dammit!!!

      Yeah, they should.

      Just like if I want to go down to the corner pharmacist and buy a massive overdose of morphine, the size that you have no reason to possess other than to kill someone, I should be allowed to do so, then go home and mainline it all so that I go into respiratory arrest.

      Freedom used to mean something.

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    25. Re:pupils by krilli · · Score: 1

      It has been used for hundreds of years by women because they thought dilated pupils make them look "sexy".
      It works. Pupils have different 'neutral' states, varying from person to person. I find myself captivated by girls with naturally large pupils. The effect seems magical.
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    26. Re:pupils by Golias · · Score: 1

      but the picture shows her with full pupil dilation in moderate light.

      Aren't movie-camera lights typically really fucking bright? Just because that still shot looks like moderate light, doesn't mean that it is.

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    27. Re:pupils by sznupi · · Score: 1

      And in some psychological studies it was shown what a powerfull effect it is. For example: basically two groups of participants were given the same photo of a woman holding her child, but one groups photo was slightly "enhanced" (bigger pupils of the mother). Guess "which" mother was more carying, loved more her child? And participants were totally unaware of this, reasons goven were how sche holds her child, her smile, etc.
      There's definatelly a reason this method is used in virtually every "romantic" movie scene...

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    28. Re:pupils by Nutria · · Score: 1
      I find myself captivated by girls with naturally large pupils.

      Stop watching so much anime.

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    29. Re:pupils by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Me too. And naturally large areolas, too.

    30. Re:pupils by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...or maybe Cowboy Neal walked into the room wearing nothing but a loincloth. That would be a very good explanation too, considering Cowboy Neal probably can't account for his whereabouts at the time when they were filming the commercial.

  5. let it be by macadamia_harold · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ed over in Accounting writes in with a Macinstein interview with Ellen Feiss, an Internet cult figure of a bygone era.

    Well, you know what they say. You should let bygones be bygones.

    1. Re:let it be by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's not like the kids these days will believe the conditions we lived under back then anyway (both ways), or our strange social customs, or that we really risked prosecution to download that shitty, old fashioned music.

      And Jesus we dressed funny. No, that half decade is an era best left bygone alrighty.

      KFG

    2. Re:let it be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She's one of the sweetest and cutest icons yet - sure beats Linus or CowboyNeal.

    3. Re:let it be by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      And Jesus we dressed funny. No, that half decade is an era best left bygone alrighty.

      Hell, I had some great flared jeans back in the early '70s. I saw an identical pair on this really cute chick a few days ago. I was so tempted to go up to her and demand my pants back. She wouldn't have believed they ever fitted me, though... :-D

    4. Re:let it be by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      People tease me because I still call them "bell bottoms".

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    5. Re:let it be by bynary · · Score: 1

      I was born in '79 and I "still" call them bell bottoms, because that's what they are. Flare? Isn't that what Chotchkie's employees are "required" to wear?

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    6. Re:let it be by tenton · · Score: 2, Funny

      People tease me because I still call them "bell bottoms".

      We tell those people to stay the hell off our lawns. Damn kids these days...

    7. Re:let it be by skoaldipper · · Score: 0

      We tell those people to stay the hell off our lawns. Damn kids these days...

      I pull my pants up to my armpits and beat them off my lawn with a good shaking stick. If that don't work, I throw postage stamps out in the busy street and tell 'em "they're groooovy love wafers maaaan".
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    8. Re:let it be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's flair.

    9. Re:let it be by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, the new employee uniforms are also useful for signaling rescue planes.

    10. Re:let it be by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

      And Jesus we dressed funny. No, that half decade is an era best left bygone alrighty.

      I can tell a true singulatarian when I see one!

  6. There is another . . . by GMontag · · Score: 1, Informative

    Another interview, with audio, is linked in the responses to the story.

  7. She likes the L word! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She said no comment to the relationship question and then she also says she like the show 'L word'..... hmmm you make your mind up.

    1. Re:She likes the L word! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Switcher" is also a slang term for a bisexual.

    2. Re:She likes the L word! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Slashdotter" is also a slang term for a shitcocked nerd.

    3. Re:She likes the L word! by somersault · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "troll" is also a term for a shitcocked nerd who is so bitter and twisted that nobody loves him that he has to anonymously insult random people in an effort to regain his confidence without having any possibility of retribution.

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    4. Re:She likes the L word! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:She likes the L word! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FTA: I don't want that kind of gendered fame and I was never proud of the fact that a bunch of dudes on the internet thought I was hot, or ugly or stoned or stupid or any of the other things people talked about.

      Also:
      Macenstein: So what are you majoring in at college?

      Ellen: Photography/video or women's studies.

      She's either a carpet muncher or been indoctrinated by the NOW bulldykes.

  8. Apple ads by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's been 5 years or so. And still most of the Apple ads represent one or at most two objects (frequently human actors it seems), which are speaking about how much PC-s suck, and occasionally, ONLY occasionally, also mentioning how Mac software never has problems (lie) or how on Mac you can process photos and videos, and on the PC you can't (lie).

    And you suddenly know why most people just don't buy Macs. Mac marketing makes impression of being really really desparate.

    Maybe they should try some of their iPod concepts for advertising the Mac? This could work better. Show people having fun with a Mac, show Mac being used.

    Stop with the "PC sucks" nonsense.

    1. Re:Apple ads by Brett+Buck · · Score: 0, Troll

      If PC's stop sucking, I'll stop saying they suck.

              Brett

    2. Re:Apple ads by jkrise · · Score: 1

      Stop with the "PC sucks" nonsense.

      Maybe the PC isn't synonymous with IBM, Microsoft or Windows anymore?

      I think Linux has changed the face of the PC, and what we expect out of them... for the better.

      So Apple better say "Windows" or "Office" in their switcher ads, I guess...

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    3. Re:Apple ads by el_womble · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I worry about this too.

      I'll be suprised if the new UK ads make an impact. We don't react very well to negative advertising over here and we tend to be more diserning consumers. Most people who are using Windows are using XP. XP, for all of its faults is stable, verstaile and familiar; on modern hardware with oodles of ram its fast and it does work with all of those odd USB gadgets that people buy (my missle launcher doesn't work under OS X).

      Its also cheap. You can buy a decent computer from Dell with LCD monitor etc. for under £300.

      I'm a devout Mac user and even I don't relate to adverts. Yes, I have made photo albums, they did look fantastic and I could do it with the software that was provided with the machine but it also cost me £30. Yes, I can watch DVDs out of the box, but if I want to watch anything in fullscreen in Quicktime I need to buy a £20 pro update, or import them into iTunes (not iMovie) and watch them in front row.

      As for the 'no drivers' being a good thing, I'm not sure what they are smoking. There are laser printers that require you to compile open source drivers to get to work, mobile phones that refuse to connect via bluetooth and perhaps my biggest irritation is cameras whose RAW file format isn't supported. Now these arn't necessarily Apples problem: Fujitsu encrypt their RAW, Minolta only support Macs on their more expensive printers and Motorola are the worst phone manufacturer, but they ALL work on Windows with the drivers in the box.

      Telling Brits that they are stupid for buying a PC isn't going to work. Buying a PC is a choice. There is more software (including viruses), they are cheaper and they are as stable. The reason I bought a Mac? UNIX under the hood, a great interface (apart from finder), great hardware and in my experience less goes wrong.

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    4. Re:Apple ads by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So Apple better say "Windows" or "Office" in their switcher ads, I guess...

      That'd be kinda ironic given in their ads they specifically stress on the fact MS Office is available on Mac and It Is Good.
      They need Office on the Mac and they know that.

      As for Windows.. they'd piss off someone's lawyers to directly flame the Windows brand. So they use a "PC" as a generic name, but of course talking about Windows (not Linux or BSD or anything).

      Which is *again* ironic, and doubly so, as what they sell right now is exactly a PC. No more, no less. The only single difference being the DRM chip they use to lock OSX, and the EFI (versus the classic BIOS). But new PC-s are sold with EFI too, so..

      I remember when they were also flaming the Pentium 2/3/4 chips, talking about how terribly slow they are compared to G4 and G5. Which was again a lie, when they switched to Intels they got away from the situation talking how hugely different Core is, a totally, totally different thing, completely different from the Pentiums we flamed just few months ago!

      Of course, those better informed, know Core 1 is in fact enhanced Pentium 3 with more SIMD commands and extra power-saving features.

    5. Re:Apple ads by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      It's not lies per se. It's selective sampling. Give me enough PC users, and I can find you one who has never seen a BSOD, and one who has never used a Windows PC for more than an hour without it crashing. You just pick the person who will send the message you want.

    6. Re:Apple ads by arifirefox · · Score: 1

      maybe they could show the imac doing something fun like playing Crysis unlike those boring pc's that can only do black and white spreadsheets.

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    7. Re:Apple ads by giorgiofr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's really funny, because today's Macs ARE PCs.

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    8. Re:Apple ads by kjart · · Score: 1

      If PC's stop sucking, I'll stop saying they suck.

      Fair enough - and when Mac users stop saying things like that, I'll stop saying they're pretentious.

      Though, I do actually have a macbook pro, so I guess that includes me too.

    9. Re:Apple ads by gujo-odori · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm a recent first-time Mac owner (except for a brief stint on 7.6.1 on some Motorola-based Mac in the late nineties; that sucked), and do you know what? Windows machines (not PCs; Linx machines are mostly PCs, too) do suck relative to the competition in most respects.

      Honestly, unless you're really into PC games, there aren't many areas where a Mac isn't >= to a Windows machine. Granted, one of those areas is that there is no Exchange client on Mac that is as good as Outlook 2003 or Outlook 2007 on Windows. Microsoft Entourage is adequate, though, and Mail.app can handle the mail part of dealing with an Exchange server just fine (I'd love to see Apple add calendar integration, though; the best thing Apple could do here is put out their own complete Exchange client). Mac Office 2004 is decent, and at my company - which my eyeball estimate says is 1/4 - 1/3 Mac, some Linux and FreeBSD, and majority Windows - the Macs work just fine on the Windows network.

      Mac is a no-brainer for ease of use, but what may come as a surprise to many is that among the three platforms, I also consider Linux to beat XP for ease of use in most areas (roaming between wireless networks is not one of them, which is one reason I chose a Mac; I move around the building a lot and don't want to have to mess with wireless problems). The main reason most Windows users today would say Windows is easier to use is because it's what they're used to. If they switched to a Mac, they would also find it "harder" than Windows at first, but once they got used to it over a month or so of use, they'd realize there's no way they'd go back.

      I don't see myself going over to Mac as my primary system instead of Linux, I just like Linux to much. But migrating my parents from Linux to Mac? Yeah, I can see myself encouraging them to get a Mac. My dad likes to tinker too much to ever give up Linux, but I think they'd really enjoy a Mac as their "real work" computer.

    10. Re:Apple ads by cyclomedia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You touched upon an important point there too, Joe Public usually doesnt think in terms of Windows vs OSX vs GNU/Linux vs AmigaOS4 ... They buy a "computer". That computer will most likely come in the form of a Dell a HP or a Mac and may well be from PC World with a free digital camera, oh and have Intel Inside too, because that's what the TV adverts tell them is good.

      While us geeks are sitting around slashdot arguing about Vista's lateness, OSX's niceness and Linux's empire toppling innocence PC World, HP, Dell and Apple are raking in the big bucks and conditioning the public's opinions on what constitutes the latest greatest in computing via advertising.

      The simple fact is that until PC World adertises their latest Red Hat or Suse bundle during the Superbowl GNU/Linux will not be joe-public's-desktop-ready no matter what we collectively shout about it here.

      Obviously, i sincerely hope to be eventually proven wrong, but i suspect my karma's about to plummet rollercoaster style, in which case: Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

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    11. Re:Apple ads by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's been 5 years or so. And still most of the Apple ads represent one or at most two objects (frequently human actors it seems), which are speaking about how much PC-s suck,
      This is known in the trade as "shooting fish in a barrel."

      People are aware that computers are these cool, amazing machines. As is written in the Book of Jobs: "bicycles for the mind The problem is that (Windows) PCs do suck. It's like having to work with a manic depressive coworker who drains your energy by making you deal with his weird issues all the time.

      You can't sell a computer that you want people to love without reminding them that (Windows) PCs suck, because over time people begin to accept that suckiness is the way computers are supposed to be. You can't change the world without first upsetting the unconscious accomodations people have made to the status quo. The world if full of unreasonable things people get accustomed to; it's only when they are reminded they have a choice that they remember how ridiculous things are.

      The reason people "don't buy" Macs is the same reason people "don't buy" BMW cars. There are cheaper alternatives that fill their needs. Yes, the Mac Mini is pretty cheap, but beige boxes are even cheaper. If they could buy the mini at $299, more people would buy them. But cheapness is a game Apple can't win at, and doesn't want to play. BMW could sell more cars if it had an offering to set against the Ford Focus, but that would turn them from BMW into a smaller, less competitive Ford. BMW sells luxury cars, Apple sells luxury computers. And Apple has the luxury of not needing to advertise much if at all to its existing customers; most of them are not going to switch to a PC unless they are forced to be circumstances that no advertising could alter. What Apple needs is to find the people who are disatisfied with their old PC jaloppy and can be interested in trading up.

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    12. Re:Apple ads by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      it does work with all of those odd USB gadgets that people buy (my missle launcher doesn't work under OS X).
      Microsoft XP: Favoured by terrorists.

    13. Re:Apple ads by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      I don't like being told I can't use particular hardware, just because a company doesn't feel like it.

    14. Re:Apple ads by jorgevillalobos · · Score: 1

      -1, Technicality

    15. Re:Apple ads by jpellino · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      "mentioning how Mac software never has problems"

      That's not been said in any ad.

      The truth is PCs running Windows are more problematic than Macs.

      Just yesterday it took a half an hour to get a mainstream quickcam out of the box and showing video. iSight? No longer than it takes to launch the app than needs it.

      Use a thumb drive on a Windows PC. As in, go hunt for it once you plug it in - then use it.

      Picasa vs. iPhoto. No contest.

      Actually, Picasa (and much of the rest of Google's stuff) has saved Microsoft's bacon as far as good app experiences go - Bill and Steve B should face Mt View and pray every morning in gratitude.

      Add a printer? 90% of them work in OSX with included drivers.

      Need to do something tough in networking? Go buy another version of Windows.
      Need to be a media center? Goi buy another version of Windows.

      There's more but I have to get to work...

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    16. Re:Apple ads by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      If PC's stop sucking, I'll stop saying they suck.

      Fair enough - and when Mac users stop saying things like that, I'll stop saying they're pretentious.

      Though, I do actually have a macbook pro, so I guess that includes me too.

      We all know that owning an object automatically causes you to have certain personality traits. And it makes you cool and gives you a whole set of new friends, membership in a secret society, etc.

      Wait..was I being sarcastic?

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    17. Re:Apple ads by soft_guy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      They need Office on the Mac and they know that. Why? With OpenOffice, I don't think we even need Office for Windows anymore.
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    18. Re:Apple ads by NTiOzymandias · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm -really- tired of people saying how well OpenOffice works when it doesn't. Just because it -is- an alternative doesn't mean it's superior, or even on an even footing with its competition.

    19. Re:Apple ads by cocotoni · · Score: 1

      If it's the standard USB Missile Launcher, have you tried the USB Missile Launcher NZ. It should work with USB Missile Launcher and the DreamCheeky Rocket Launcher.

      You are welcome!

    20. Re:Apple ads by AnswerIs42 · · Score: 1

      But... a Mac is also a PC. So, shouldn't people be saying the "Windows Operating System" instead?

    21. Re:Apple ads by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

      Do macs make you pretentious or are pretentious people naturally attracted to macs? It's not hard to see why a pretentious person would choose a mac with the slick looks and superiority stereotype delivered by the ID and marketing departments.

      I'm not saying all mac owners are pretentious, just the vocal abrasive minority... which doesn't help the stereotype any.

    22. Re:Apple ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      a Mac is also a PC. So, shouldn't people be saying the "Windows Operating System" instead?

      You may notice, as you pay attention to the world, that much of communication is dependent upon context. Many small details are omitted in the interest of brevity, as it's assumed that the listener will have enough context and shared experience to be able to fill in the omitted parts.

      Even you, in your long-winded alternative, assume that the listener will understand that you're talking about computers and not, say, one of those cranks that open and close a window.

    23. Re:Apple ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mail.app can handle the mail part of dealing with an Exchange server just fine Not from where I'm sitting. MS-only office environment, Exchange server 2003 for our mail and such, Outlook 2003 on XP SP2 for our laptops. I have tried a dozen times to configure OS X Mail on my 10.4.8 Powerbook G4 to work with the Exchange server, including all imaginable combinations of ports, authentication, FQDNs, and so on in the Mail.app settings. No dice -- it just doesn't work for me.

      On the other hand, I burned an Ubuntu LiveCD a few months back (I think it was 6.06 Dapper Drake) and randomly tested it on my XP laptop at work one day. Started the built-in mail client (Evolution I think) and it worked correctly, straight out of the "box." Saw my Exchange folders and everything.

      My conclusion is that OS X Mail still leaves a lot to be desired as concerns Exchange Server compatibility.
    24. Re:Apple ads by delymyth · · Score: 1

      I'm -really- tired of people saying how well OpenOffice works when it doesn't. Just because it -is- an alternative doesn't mean it's superior, or even on an even footing with its competition. Basically, OpenOffice isn't completely an alternative, not in the "full" sense of the word. It's about 90% compatible, but can crash with some .doc files, refusing to open them and forcing the user to go through through a "open as plain text + copy/paste + new doc + add paragraph formatting" experience, and I bet it also has problems with macros (do they work?) and complex excel sheets.

      MS-Office is MS-Office, OpenOffice can read those docs, but it's *not* 100% compatible, and people who use it everyday should be aware of this.
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    25. Re:Apple ads by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only single difference being the DRM chip they use to lock OSX, and the EFI (versus the classic BIOS)

      There is no DRM chip. I have a Mac less than 6 months old. I've spent some time looking for the chip, and I used Amit Singh's software to try to find it. It's only on some models, and is inactive. It's basically only present if it happened to be on the motherboard they use. There's not even an OS X driver for it.

    26. Re:Apple ads by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 5, Funny

      The reason people "don't buy" Macs is the same reason people "don't buy" BMW cars.

      They don't want others to presume they're obnoxious twats who derive self-esteem from a brand identity?

    27. Re:Apple ads by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      I don't remember an Apple ad saying that Mac software never has problems or an Apple ad saying that PCs can't handle photos or videos. Can you please link me to the ad that says this? I get the feeling that your entire rant is about what you are reading too much into the ads, not what the Mac ad is actually saying.

    28. Re:Apple ads by Short+Circuit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Aside from Access, is there something you've done with Microsoft Office that I haven't done--or can't do--with OpenOffice?

      Heck, I can even think of a couple things I've done in OpenOffice that can't be done with Microsoft Office. Take superscript, for example. Yes, MS Office supports a superscript flag, but OpenOffice lets me apply varying degrees of superscript. And that's functionality I've needed.

      I've also used OpenOffice to repair Microsoft Word documents that crashed Microsoft's product.

      I tutor people in working with Microsoft Office every day, and every day I encounter things that lead me to believe that OpenOffice works better.

    29. Re:Apple ads by Short+Circuit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've had the reverse experience. A student's Word document resided on a floppy disk they hadn't been taking care of, and wound up corrupted. The document crashed Word, even after running ScanDisk on the floppy.

      I popped the floppy into the one computer in the lab which I had installed OOo on, opened the document, and re-saved it as a Word document. The student lost some of their document, but much of it was still recoverable.

    30. Re:Apple ads by screeble · · Score: 3, Informative

      if I want to watch anything in fullscreen in Quicktime I need to buy a £20 pro update, or import them into iTunes (not iMovie) and watch them in front row.

      Not true... Open up AppleScript Editor, type...

      tell application "QuickTime Player"
      present front movie scale screen
      end tell

      ...and save as application. Drag into user scripts folder.

      The next time you want fullscreen just use the script.

    31. Re:Apple ads by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 1

      Yes, the Cores are a proper upgrade to the PIII (and arguably what should have been released instead of the PIV), but for floating-point, the old PII/III/IV did suck compared to G4 and G5. Their only advantage was that you could afford to buy them in bulk and make up the difference by number of machines, rather than per-machine performance. The Core floating-point is now adequate, but still lagging.

      Such a pity; I was hoping the MacPros would ship with dual-core Itaniums. Intel's last chance to make that chip sexy and desirable.

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    32. Re:Apple ads by el_womble · · Score: 1

      Thank god for that, I thought it was going to be difficult! ;)

      Whilst your at it... do you have a short folder action that will convert avi to mov and then import to iTunes Movies and delete the original? It doesn't have to re-encode, just repackage.

      Thanks in advance

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    33. Re:Apple ads by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Your points are more or less what I try to explain to Apple fans. I happen to use Windows and OS X, and OS X is clearly superior, especially on OS/software maintainability, IMO. The people that have never used OS X rarely see or understand why. It's still a hard sell when it's an unfamiliar system and it costs more just to get into one. I'm not totally dumping Windows because I don't want to restrict myself to only the software available on one platform. Both platforms have strong apps that I'd hate to do without Windows or without OS X, to me, that seems short-sighted.

      I don't like the arguments put forth by Mac fans that Macs are cheaper when you compare like-for-like and feature-for-feature, because Apple doesn't try selling similar computers, I called them novelty form factors, particularly the mini and iMac. I think that sort of argument that Macs are cheaper for the same type of device is a bit of a smoke screen. Most of the other computers that mimic the current iMac or mini form factors are more expensive, probably only because of economies of scale. Apple sells very few models of computers, about six, where much smaller computer makers have dozens of models, reducing those economies of scale for the competitors that also make novelty computers.

      I also don't like it when PC/Windows fans just don't figure into the value the software. The argument on the PC side is that a computer is just a pile of parts, ignoring the software part of the equation. There's also the time taken to remove all the worthless load-on-start stuff and worthless trial software cruft from the bargain computers often have that only hurts the performance of the computer, and Macs don't have that.

    34. Re:Apple ads by nomadic · · Score: 1

      we tend to be more diserning consumers.

      Are you all more intelligent and good-looking too?

    35. Re:Apple ads by hey! · · Score: 1

      They don't want others to presume they're obnoxious twats who derive self-esteem from a brand identity?
      Maybe. But there are more obnoxious ways to gain self-esteem. ;-)
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    36. Re:Apple ads by CDarklock · · Score: 1

      A couple of good points upon which I wanted to expand, in the context of "PCs are not just Windows".

      > people begin to accept that suckiness is
      > the way computers are supposed to be.

      However, using something that sucks is a sign of expertise. Culturally, we associate "ugly and ineffective tool" with "brilliant and experienced user". We actively select for this in tech circles. I get a little flak from people because I don't use Linux on my desktop, but I still run several Linux boxes - I just run them entirely from shell windows over SSH. That way I can leave them sitting in the garage where they run cooler and the noise doesn't bother anyone; it sounds like an airplane hangar in there. The respect I would get for running Linux on my desktop is nothing compared to the respect I get when people see a ragtag collection of mismatched boxes in all sizes, most of them with partial or no outer casings, roaring like a racecar in my garage.

      > The reason people "don't buy" Macs is the
      > same reason people "don't buy" BMW cars

      There are plenty of people who could afford a BMW just fine, but don't buy one. It's not just because they can find something cheaper that meets their needs, but also because they can find something that meets needs the BMW can't. I like 1970s muscle cars. I don't want a BMW. I want a classic Dodge Charger with a big-ass Hemi and glass packs. I want the engine to roar like a pride of lions and the tires to scream like a banshee when I hit the accelerator. I can't get that from a BMW. Sure, on the average day, a BMW would probably be a more comfortable commute - but it's just the wrong attitude. A car should be scary.

      Basically, I don't mind the PC/Apple commercials. They just market to someone else. They market to the whiny little pussy who plays the Mac. I know he's supposed to be cool and hip and approachable, but I just keep looking at him and thinking "is he supposed to be gay?" or "I could break him in half". I don't get offended about the PC guy, because that's not me. Sure, I wear a tie, I use a PC, I do a lot of businessy stuff. But that's not me. That's the people I used to work with.

      I see these commercials as "don't be the PC guy, be the Mac guy". But I'm not the PC guy, and I don't want to be the Mac guy. I don't relate to these commercials. I don't see them as speaking to me at all.

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    37. Re:Apple ads by vertinox · · Score: 1

      And you suddenly know why most people just don't buy Macs. Mac marketing makes impression of being really really desparate.

      To be fair, the majority of people who own PCs don't buy Windows either.

      Maybe they should try some of their iPod concepts for advertising the Mac? This could work better. Show people having fun with a Mac, show Mac being used.

      To be fair, I want to vomit and curse violently when I see the Zune commercials with the happy couples using their squirt feature while the dancing hipsters on the iPod commercials just make me want to punch a few kids at the local mall.

      Personally... I'm ok with punching people. The love shit I can't handle.

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    38. Re:Apple ads by Chelloveck · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The truth is PCs running Windows are more problematic than Macs.

      The truth is, they're roughly equivalent. My shiny new MacBook Pro has crashed as many times in the two months that I've had it as any Windows machine has in a two-month period. Some things are easier on the Mac, but some other things are easier on Windows. On both platforms I've had things "just work", and on both I've had things "just fail for inscrutable reasons".

      I have a vague preference for the Mac, but it's just that -- a vague personal preference. It mostly comes from the Unix underpinnings of OSX, which means that an old Unix hack like me can get in under the hood and actually fix some of the things that go wonky. I have found nothing that clearly sets either platform above the other, at least for the things I need a computer for.

      Heresy, I know.

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    39. Re:Apple ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod something in a different thread and you can't respond... somehow they need to fix the mod system for threading!

      Anyways, I'm on my second Mac (Powerbook, now Macbook Pro) and I own a new 3 series BMW.

      Originally, I was planning on using my PB just for a few things, being a heavily invested Windows user with lots of apps for specific purposes. I needed a laptop, and the PB just was what I was looking for in battery life, support, build, etc. I never expected to move all my photo, video, and email to it. But as I started using it more and more, everything just worked. I can't even get my windows box to recognize my default USB printer automatically if I happen to plug the print into a different USB port by mistake, nevermind the network issues. As my photo library exploded last year from the acquisition of a DSLR and my development also migrated fully to the mac, I decided to spring for the new Core 2 MBP. It's definitely a never going back scenario.

      As for the BMW, it's a BMW. What more is there really to say? I drove it and wow... it too just works. If you ever wonder whether a BMW really is worth that small premium (and it's only small if you look at feature for feature comparisons) take one out for a test drive in the rain on slick roads and do a couple of quick accellerating turns (ie, try to fishtail). You'll never drive a Ford again.

    40. Re:Apple ads by MightyYar · · Score: 1, Flamebait
      Pretentious probably isn't the right word... the people you deride are more ostentatious. They like to show off their nice things. Sort of a "Look, I have the BEST computer!" Pretentious people have a more self-important flavor to them, and certainly a lot of the hipster Mac users fit into that category as well. And of course, ostentatious people can also be pretentious... I think I'm rambling.

      That said, I am a Mac user, and I do buy them partially for their looks. To be fair, I also spend extra on the nicer PC cases for my Windows/Linux machines. I just like things to look nice - I guess it could be considered ostentatious, but I've at least convinced myself that I'm not showing off :)

      So I think Macs attract the following:
      1. People who are pretentious. (The Mac makes me look important.)
      2. People who are ostentatious. (Look, I have the coolest, nicest computer!)
      3. People who like things that look good.
      4. Psuedo-geeks who a unix with a nice interface.
      I think I'm asking for a flaming with #4. ;p
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    41. Re:Apple ads by WinterSolstice · · Score: 1

      I like OO.o, and I use it every day... but here are some examples of why it's not great:
      1) Text to columns (WTF? This isn't rocket science)
      2) Multi-User documents (like when I have to update a shared group task list)
      3) Speed (It takes roughly 5-10x as long to open a document with screenshots as Word)

      -WS

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    42. Re:Apple ads by Achoi77 · · Score: 1

      you're post would have been modded up funny if GP was modded up other than funny.

      my post is going to be offtopic because I'm trying to explain the meta-humor, which has nothing to do with this Ellen Feiss article.

      maybe I'll be lucky and people won't bother mod me.

    43. Re:Apple ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple crap is as much luxury as a high end Casio. It's no rolex.

      If you want to see what's real luxury in computing, search for the toughbooks. Panasonic toughbook are much more durable, undestructible than any apple computer ever made.
      And they are PCs.

    44. Re:Apple ads by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      Seriously, whats wrong with deriving self-esteem from brand identity? Considering the number of peoples who have low self esteem issues I would consider ANYTHING that gives folks positive self esteem to be a good thing.

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    45. Re:Apple ads by sheldon · · Score: 1

      They don't want others to presume they're obnoxious twats who derive self-esteem from a brand identity?
      Only the ones who order the slush box.

    46. Re:Apple ads by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

      You are certainly correct about the ostentatious, they do make up a relevant portion of Mac users. Though I do believe that the pretentious are attracted to that platform because of it's supposed superiority and it's style falls in line with that. Superior looks becomes another bullet on the long list of why they think they're better then everyone else. Not to mention it's distinctive look makes it easier to boast while toting it in public.

    47. Re:Apple ads by cunamara · · Score: 1

      Yes, I can watch DVDs out of the box, but if I want to watch anything in fullscreen in Quicktime I need to buy a £20 pro update, or import them into iTunes (not iMovie) and watch them in front row.

      Just put the .mov, .mpg, etc. in the "Movies" folder and launch FrontRow. Navigate to the movies from there. You don't need to import the file into anything. Hope this makes life a little simpler!

    48. Re:Apple ads by Straif · · Score: 1

      Had a similar thing happen here at work. A co-workers spec document would crash Word or Wordpad on every attempt to open it so in an attempt to save about 2 weeks worth of work I downloaded OO and it opened just fine and re-saved with no problems. No loss of data and no further problem with opening in Word.

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    49. Re:Apple ads by dr.badass · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what you need to do to make this work as a Folder Action, but this should get you started. You might look into using this in Automator's script-running action, as it can save workflows as Folder Actions Also, I have no idea if this works without QuickTime Pro, as all of my machines have it for work; but I think it will. It might make your computer explode, too.

      This assumes you have a movie open, and it saves it to the root of the drive ("Macintosh HD" or whatever) as a QuickTime Movie. No conversion, but it may take a few minutes to copy. It saves to the root because I every time I play with paths in AppleScript, it makes me cry.


      tell application "QuickTime Player"
              activate
              set savename to name of movie 1 & ".mov"
              delay 1
              save movie 1 in savename
      end tell

      tell application "iTunes"
              activate
              add "Macintosh HD:" & savename
      end tell


      Alternately you can use "open" instead of "add" to make it play automatically so you can make sure it works right away. And replace "Macintosh HD" with whatever your drive is named.

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    50. Re:Apple ads by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      Or maybe you're choosing to ignore 5. Those who like working with Macs and don't feel the need to crow or boast about it.

      I work with both Macs and PCs. I own both, at home. I tend to like working on the Mac better, because it's just a better built system all around. But I don't feel the need to deride people for using Windows or other Microsoft products. I just do my work. I like Coca-cola too. I don't feel superior to people who like Pepsi or Dr. Pepper.

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    51. Re:Apple ads by bogjobber · · Score: 1
      Honestly, unless you're really into PC games, there aren't many areas where a Mac isn't >= to a Windows machine.

      How about price? Software availability? For most people, those are the only things that matter. I would agree that Mac probably has a slight edge in ease of use, but it isn't as if using Windows is difficult by any means.

    52. Re:Apple ads by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      And still most of the Apple ads represent one or at most two objects (frequently human actors it seems), which are speaking about how much PC-s suck, and occasionally, ONLY occasionally, also mentioning how Mac software never has problems (lie) or how on Mac you can process photos and videos, and on the PC you can't (lie).

      First off, the people in the Switchers ads were real people and not paid actors. Pulling that kind of stunt is something that MS tried to do but failed.

      Second, the gist of the ads was that these real people had issues with the PC and the software. They couldn't do things like photos and videos and a PC not because it's not possible but it wasn't easy for them. Representing average people, the ads imply using PC software can be tricky. While your average computer geek might be able to handle these tasks simply on a PC, your average computer user might not. So the message is to switch to a Mac: it was made for your average person.

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    53. Re:Apple ads by Lars+T. · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      The 604 beat the Pentium 2 to hell and back even in SPEC, and yet lamers like you still didn't buy Macs. It must be great to be a lying hypocrite, tell us about it.

      BTW, the latest PC are sold with DRM chips, while the latest Macs aren't - suck up to that.

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    54. Re:Apple ads by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "That's really funny, because today's Macs ARE PCs."

      It's not THAT funny, my PC isn't a Mac.

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    55. Re:Apple ads by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

      Or maybe it's because they're better. I had an old 325 and it was the best car I ever owned, and not because it had BMW logos. Limited-slip RWD meant that if you slid in the snow you could recover... and because they spend so much time making them perfectly balanced it was easy. I used to take corners sideways on snowy days, and never worry I was going to end up in a ditch. The interior wasn't chincy and tacky... No broken door handles, or any of the other usual crap that happens. Heat directed to the rear passengers. A warning if it was below 36F to watch for icy roads. The driver's side door wouldn't lock if it was open, so no locking your keys in the car. A light came on for everything that could go wrong, from coolant level low to washer fluid to a brake light being out. When the weather was good, it positively stuck to the road. Plus, a smooth straight six for plenty of power, a damn near silent exhaust that still passed CA emissions tests after 20 years, and 28MPG ain't bad, especially with over 200,000 miles on it. I recently gave it to a friend because I didn't want to put the $2,000 into suspension work that it neeeded, but he did and it's still going strong. Next time I'm in the market, I'm getting a more recent beamer and I'm sure I'll love it.

      Somebody who takes their identity from a car is a jackass, but in my opinion dipshits like you who claim to know better and yet still judge people based on what they drive, are even worse.

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    56. Re:Apple ads by yo_tuco · · Score: 1

      "And it makes you cool..."

      It kind of does. Case in point. In an all Windows workplace I once attended a meeting without my work issued laptop because I was late getting in. I carry my MacBook everyday to work. In the meeting I needed to take some notes. I brought out my MacBook Pro and started. I got looks from everyone. The Japanese partners just couldn't stop staring. After the meeting I had a crowd around me asking all kinds of questions about the Mac. I guess in a sea of Windows laptops, the Mac stands out.

    57. Re:Apple ads by el_womble · · Score: 1

      Many thanks!

      That will save me a lot of time!

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    58. Re:Apple ads by 4iedBandit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However, using something that sucks is a sign of expertise. Culturally, we associate "ugly and ineffective tool" with "brilliant and experienced user".

      Would you hire a roofing contractor who uses a rock to drive nails? Would you hire a roofing contractor and then insist that he use a rock instead of a nail gun? After all rocks are "ugly and ineffective" and only "brilliant and experienced" roofers use them.

      You can argue all you want that it's not the same thing, but it is. People accept "ugly and ineffective" with computers and that's a shame. It doesn't have to be that way. If you think people choose Macs because they're "ignorant and inexperienced" then you are misguided. I would definitely recommend a Mac to someone who doesn't know anything about computers true enough. But I also recommend to people who know computers to check out the Mac.

      A colleague of mine recently bought a MacBook Pro. The second day he had it I asked him if he'd been playing around with it. Do you know what his response was? "Not really. I've found I don't really need to play around with it to do what I want." Stick with "ugly and ineffective" if that's what you like. While I'm sure some may consider it "brilliant" I for one, do not. Ugly I can and do live with. Ineffective? Not unless I'm being paid very well. Fortunately the Mac is neither ugly, nor ineffective. (My opinion to be sure, but the success of the iPod is driving people Apple's way for a reason.)

      They just market to someone else. They market to the whiny little pussy who plays the Mac.

      Apple is doing what they have to. Reminding people that computers don't have to be "ugly and ineffective." You're absolutely right about one thing, they are not marketing to you. You think "ugly and ineffective" is acceptable and people who deal with it are "brilliant." While there are lots of people who deal with it who are brilliant, "ugly and ineffective" != "brilliant".

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    59. Re:Apple ads by crabpeople · · Score: 1

      I take it you don't tutor them with excel? Because thats what everyone complains "doesn't work right" in my office. OO is a great product but its not fully compatable at all. I also remember someone getting very confused by the way it did mail merges. I seem to remember it involved one or two extra steps, but really you cant say "well learn the new way" because people are lazy and its far easier to bitch to my boss than actually take time to learn something new.

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    60. Re:Apple ads by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm -really- tired of people saying how well OpenOffice works when it doesn't. Just because it -is- an alternative doesn't mean it's superior, or even on an even footing with its competition. Open Office works fine for me. My company switched to it over a year ago because they didn't want to pay for MS Office and I haven't heard any complaints.
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    61. Re:Apple ads by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      How about people who just want to get their work done?

      I started using the Mac long before Windows even existed and I haven't found any reason to switch away from it. Although I was tempted to switch to the Amiga at one time, Windows never seemed like it was better.

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    62. Re:Apple ads by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Posting on Slashdot like me, are you suuuuure you don't fall into category 4? I, same as you, just like working on a Mac better. I've never tried to "switch" someone, either. But I'm a geek.

      We can add 5 if you want though :)

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    63. Re:Apple ads by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Just yesterday it took a half an hour to get a mainstream quickcam out of the box and showing video. iSight? No longer than it takes to launch the app than needs it.

      Last time I hooked up an ass-brand webcam it just worked. I did have to install the driver of course but it worked fine in less than three minutes, let alone thirty. Also, you are comparing a camera sold by the OS manufacturer to a third party device. This is not a direct comparison.

      Use a thumb drive on a Windows PC. As in, go hunt for it once you plug it in - then use it.

      This is pure FUD. When I plug in a USB mass storage device, Windows scans its contents and pops up a window asking me what I would like to do with the drive based on the type of content stored on it. Meanwhile, the "Macintosh HD" icon on the Dual G5 2 GHz running OSX 10.3 to the right of me wanders around my desktop, and I have to go looking for it after each reboot. Windows is clearly superior here.

      Picasa vs. iPhoto. No contest.

      I despise both, personally, and use neither. I find that intelligently categorizing my images and then just using XP's thumbnail and filmstrip views is superior to basically any other interface I've yet used. I would like to have free tagging, but my solution to that is to use drupal to maintain my photo library (which I'm working on... but I'm short on disk space. got to buy more.) This, anyway, is a matter of opinion.

      Add a printer? 90% of them work in OSX with included drivers.

      Ditto for Windows. And?

      Need to do something tough in networking? Go buy another version of Windows.

      What? Speak in specifics or go home. Thanks for the additional helping of FUD though.

      Need to be a media center? Goi buy another version of Windows.

      Okay, you have officially branded yourself an idiot. There are several free media center programs for windows. For example, you could use MediaPortal.

      There's more but I have to get to work...

      That's okay, we've had enough of your ignorance and FUD for one day.

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    64. Re:Apple ads by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      You telling me that you aren't a geek? Heh, okay, we can make a 5... :)

      I'm kind of in the same boat - I got my first Mac as a requirement for school pre-Windows95. I tend to keep both a decent Mac and a decent PC in the house. I've got no illusions, though - I'm a geek.

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    65. Re:Apple ads by k_187 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but those ease of use things are worth something. That's the point of these commericals. Buy a mac and your time will be spent doing more useful things rather than fiddling with the system.

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    66. Re:Apple ads by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      Yesterday's macs were pcs too.

      pc = personal computer

      too bad to most people pc = windows

      The chip inside can be made by sun, ibm, amd, intel, . If the devie is a personal computer it is a PC no matter the brand.

      I would love for apple to sell OSX bt itself. They will never do this for too reasons. 1st they are a hardware company. 2nd Apple does not want to support every different type of motherboard, sound card, video card, etc. that is out there.

      2nd point I feel is a bad one. The hardware companies should provide the drivers for their hardware. Let the os makwers provide a set of communication rules (APIs) that all can see. The hard ware companies make the drivers for all the operating systems. Then we the people could getwhat we feel is the bast choice to meet our needs. Wait MS still doesn't fully do that....

      I would love to see some scary looking parts not matching computer running OSX (and no I am not talking about the pumpkin macs).

    67. Re:Apple ads by holt · · Score: 1

      Apple crap is as much luxury as a high end Casio. It's no rolex.

      Heh, when I first read that, I thought you wrote "high end Casino" and I couldn't figure out exactly what you meant. Anyway...

      If you want to see what's real luxury in computing, search for the toughbooks. Panasonic toughbook are much more durable, undestructible than any apple computer ever made. And they are PCs.

      Why do you say that durable and "undestructible" == luxury? I'm not necessarily saying that Apple products are luxury, but what you're saying is like saying that a Bentley Continental GT isn't real luxury, an Army Humvee is luxury. Not that a Mac is the same as an Bentley, but you get the idea.

    68. Re:Apple ads by p0tat03 · · Score: 1

      How about price?

      Check out the pricing on a new MacBook, which is their consumer-level mobile product. Compare that with an equally equipped Dell, and you will see that the infamous "Apple premium" only exists in their prosumer lines. Apple doesn't sell cheapo crap-in-a-box machines, and as such the lowest MacBook would be considered mid-end by PC standards. Compare that with mid-end PC laptops and you will see that the price difference is almost negligible and sometimes favors the Mac, even.

      Software availability?

      Like what? I recently had an amusing discussion with a PC zealot who went on about how his software choices were vastly better than on a Mac. He even went as far as to boast that he could download torrents, as if OSX doesn't have its own slew of clients. The most popular (and IMHO most usable) office suite, MS Office, is available on the Mac, and is continually being developed. As a software developer there is absolutely no shortage of tools that fit my development needs. Heck, I enjoy the fact that many 'nix apps are perfectly compatible with OSX, opening many doors for a geek like myself. Really, the only lack of "software availability" is in gaming.

      I would agree that Mac probably has a slight edge in ease of use, but it isn't as if using Windows is difficult by any means.

      Spoken like one who hasn't spent enough time with a Mac. I've converted many of my friends and colleagues over to Mac over the last year. The switch to Intel helped, since nearly all of them wanted to leave Windows on the machine, being unsure about OSX. All but one of these people have since removed Windows from the machine, preferring OSX - and the one that didn't is a hardcore gamer. So am I, I suppose, and that's the only reason I ever run Windows on my MacBook Pro. I've seen many people who pick up OSX for 2 hours, get frustrated at the differences, and then proclaim loudly that Macs suck. Many of these same people then spend more time with the system, and in a week or two they're all pretty much die-hard OSX proponents.

    69. Re:Apple ads by tsa · · Score: 1

      Very good point. You'd almost be tempted to buy a PC after seeing those ads. And another thing: according to Apple, Macs are for 'fun stuff'. If that is so, then why can't I play the games I like on a Mac? Without first putting Windows on it I mean. And why do most Macs come with mediocre videocards at best? I mean I just love my MacBook Pro but I'd never buy an iMac, just because of their crappy videocards.

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    70. Re:Apple ads by cliveholloway · · Score: 1

      Oh dear, oh dear. That's not self esteem. That's the problem. If you base your "self esteem" on the brands you identify with, unlesss they are walmart and costco you can end up having bigger problems than basic self esteem. Do you know how many people buy cars, clothing and electronics they can't afford on credit cards because of brand based self esteem? Sure, short term it puts these issues on the back burner, but sooner or later they have to deal with the fact that they can't live that life.

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    71. Re:Apple ads by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

      Your thoughts about Apple are mostly correct but yougot the PC thing really wrong - in fact, it is the very kind of chip inside a computer that determines if it is a "PC" or not. "PC" used to be a trademark, owned by IBM, and was later extended to include all kinds of x86-based computers (see "IBM or compatible PC" on old software). Today, "PC" means (at least, that's how most people regard it) a computer running its OS on a x86 (or its clone). PPC, Spark-based etc computers CANNOT be PCs. Even though I do have a personal G3, it's still not a PC.

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    72. Re:Apple ads by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Just yesterday it took a half an hour to get a mainstream quickcam out of the box and showing video. iSight? No longer than it takes to launch the app than needs it. Ah, but how long would it take you to get that same "mainstream quickcam" working on your Mac?
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    73. Re:Apple ads by boriquajake · · Score: 1

      Yes, anyone who has ever watched parliament on TV is amazed at how you brits hate negativity and would never be swayed by it. Of course *discerning consumer* is just a euphemism for to poor to by what you want. I am sure you all have just "discerned" that tiny-ass houses, bus passes, and public television are better than their more expensive alternatives, douche.

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    74. Re:Apple ads by skoaldipper · · Score: 0

      Would you hire a roofing contractor who uses a rock to drive nails? Would you hire a roofing contractor and then insist that he use a rock instead of a nail gun? After all rocks are "ugly and ineffective" and only "brilliant and experienced" roofers use them.
      Sure, why not. I've built multi million dollar custom homes in Maryland and Virginia (around D.C.). One time, I was dangling over a 3rd story deck and dropped my hammer. I finished off a few nails with my hand in shoe while my hammer was being toted back up to me. The owner, observing below, bellowed out a hearty laugh and haller'd back up to me in admiration, "@#$ damn! You boys work fast!" As I coated his 2nd floor below with a nice smooth gloss of chewing tobacco spit, I yelled back, "Yes sir! I can use my head if you want!" He just dropped his head back down into the blueprints he was holding and kept laughing for another good twenty seconds or so. Shoot, I've seen greenies on the job take 5 or 6 taps before just to drive home a 12 penny nail, while I can pop that bitch straight with one good smack from my 16 ounce'r. A Rock? A hammer? Whatever it takes. In case you or others missed the point, use whatever tool you need with any tool within reach.

      People accept "ugly and ineffective" with computers and that's a shame.
      How so? How do you explain the clone computer frenzy which set the wheels of the "computer revolution" in motion back in the 80s? Or E-machines? And would you apply that same principle to the $100 "crank a chip" green machines soon to be deployed in parts of the sub sahara? I understand the point you're tryiing to make here, but quite simply, you neglect simple economics from this equation; not to mention most people cover their computers with coffee cups and stacks of documents anyways. Ultimately, who cares about aesthetics? The grandparent is quite correct in his synopsis, especially in his appreciation of muscle cars. Well said, sir. Well said. And, yes, like the grandparent, these Apple commercials today make me feel like Eddie Murphy in Trading Places, "When I was growing up, if we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub". I just don't get it. And quite frankly, I don't mind wallowing in my own flith so long as I see the bubbles. Know what I mean? Them Apple fellers still seem like they're living on the other side of the tracks to me. Anyways, it looks to me like Apple has long since been searching for an identity since day one; day one being the [in]famous 1984 Super Bowl commercial, and has been progressively changing ever since to find it's market niche. Your guess is as good as mine what that niche is.

      Apple is doing what they have to. Reminding people that computers don't have to be "ugly and ineffective."
      Maybe that's the problem with Apple's marketing. May I?

      "Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality product from me."

      Sure, I opted for the Tommy Boy "discount" special instead. My rig ain't no Apple, but hey, I saved a buttload and all my parts are guaranteed for three years anyways.

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    75. Re:Apple ads by elsilver · · Score: 1

      The reason people "don't buy" Macs is the same reason people "don't buy" BMW cars. There are cheaper alternatives

      If people didn't by BMWs for the same reason as Macs, then BMWs wouldn't take the same gas as the other 90% of cars, would have problems driving on non-BMW roadways, won't fit into the company car park, wouldn't be allowed on the road rally until 6 months after race day, and getting spare parts would be a real pain in the ass. Oh, yeah, and they're more expensive.

      Uhuh, it's exactly the same situation.

      While price is no doubt a factor for some, the fact that it isn't what's used at work or school, the fact that games are limited, the fact that I need to worry about compatibility (which is completely different from whether there are any actual compatibility issues), and so on, are what's holding more people back.

      If I was told I could have this $500 Dell or a $800 Mac, I'd take the Mac. But that's not the choice. The choice is I could have this $500 Dell, or a $800 Mac which may or may not be at all familiar to me, may or may not run half the software I'm interested in, etc.

      The only way Apple can change this is to (a) come up with some killer features that Windows doesn't have (and I mean really outstanding, not like widgets, not things that MS can copy in their next OS), or (b) to build up their percent user base (which they need (a) to do).

      Until I'm working on a Mac at work, I'm not getting one at home.

      E.

    76. Re:Apple ads by nasch · · Score: 1

      Would you hire a roofing contractor who uses a rock to drive nails? Would you hire a roofing contractor and then insist that he use a rock instead of a nail gun? After all rocks are "ugly and ineffective" and only "brilliant and experienced" roofers use them.
      His point was not that we ought to be using ugly and ineffective tools, but that it takes more skill to get the same thing done with ineffective tools than it does with effective ones. If one roofer is using a claw hammer and the other a nail gun, and they get the same amount of work done in the same amount of time, I would assume the claw hammer guy is better, because he can do the same job with an inferior tool. This does not mean I think it is a good idea for him to use a claw hammer - he's probably even faster with a nail gun.
    77. Re:Apple ads by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 1

      What hardware are you talking about, and to which company are you attributing blame?

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    78. Re:Apple ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quote: XP, for all of its faults is stable, verstaile and familiar; on modern hardware with oodles of ram its fast and it does work with all of those odd USB gadgets that people buy (my missle launcher doesn't work under OS X). Yes, I agree... XP is "very stale" indeed.

    79. Re:Apple ads by bogjobber · · Score: 1
      Check out the pricing on a new MacBook, which is their consumer-level mobile product. Compare that with an equally equipped Dell, and you will see that the infamous "Apple premium" only exists in their prosumer lines. Apple doesn't sell cheapo crap-in-a-box machines, and as such the lowest MacBook would be considered mid-end by PC standards. Compare that with mid-end PC laptops and you will see that the price difference is almost negligible and sometimes favors the Mac, even.

      That is exactly the point I was making. There are no low-end Apple machines. If I want to buy a $300 PC or $600 notebook, Apple isn't even an option. When people compare Macs to other PC's, they usually don't take into account price. Here's a car analogy. BMW cars in general are nicer than Honda cars, but there is a reason Honda sells more. Price is the single largest factor for nearly every person buying a computer.

      And I would dispute the fact that the price difference between mid-end systems is "negligible". Here is the link to Dell's PC page and Apple's iMac page. You can see that the E520, which has the same processor, same size monitor, twice as much memory, and 100GB larger hard driver is $150 less than the lowest priced iMac. On Dell's notebook page you can see that the mid-range 1501 has more memory and a larger screen than the lowest price MacBook. It has a less powerful processor, but it is over $250 less! The notebook with a similar AMD processor is still over $100 less than the cheapest Macbook. So you are full of shit about the pricing aspect.

      To reiterate my software point when was the last time you ever, under any circumstances, saw a piece of mass-market commercial software that ran on OSX but did not run on Windows? It almost never happens, simply because of Apple's lower market share. There are, however, quite a few programs that run only on Windows (not just games).

      Spoken like one who hasn't spent enough time with a Mac... I've seen many people who pick up OSX for 2 hours, get frustrated at the differences, and then proclaim loudly that Macs suck. Many of these same people then spend more time with the system, and in a week or two they're all pretty much die-hard OSX proponents.

      This is a completely ridiculous argument. I have used Mac software, and like I said I agree with you that Apple has the edge in ease of use. I like OSX, I'm just not convinced it is such a huge step above Windows as most Apple fans make it out to be. I like a very sparse and unobtrusive UI, and I have my Windows machine set up to reflect that. For this reason, I personally find the Dock to be a huge pain in the ass, although I can see why some people would like it. It's not that I haven't spent enough time with it, I just don't like it. For you to claim to know better than me what I like and don't like is ridiculous.

      Besides, my point was that Windows is also fairly intuitive and easy to use, so ease of use isn't as big of a deal for most people as Apple makes it out to be. I have no difficulty doing anything that I want in Windows, so Apple isn't going to drag me away by telling me that it's easier on OSX. I assume most other people using Windows feel the same way.

    80. Re:Apple ads by burndive · · Score: 1

      Seriously, whats wrong with deriving self-esteem from brand identity?

      Self esteem is only "good" to the extent that it is accurate, and "bad" to the extent that it is inaccurate.

      Deriving your self-image from what advertisers tell you you will be when you buy their products is almost always "bad." They have a vested interest in not portraying reality accurately and reality is messy and nuanced. Apple commercials are simplistic blurbs about one, maybe two, things.

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    81. Re:Apple ads by Kancept · · Score: 1

      http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/ 30149 Maybe that'll help solve your missile launcher dilemma. Unless you have the super new green one, which IIRC is the Rocket Launcher, which is this link for progress: http://dgwilson.wordpress.com/ Enjoy!

    82. Re:Apple ads by CDarklock · · Score: 1

      > People accept "ugly and ineffective" with computers and that's a shame

      I would actually argue that people seek out ugly and ineffective tools in a classical confusion of cause and effect: they believe that by using an ugly and ineffective tool, they will appear to be brilliant and experienced users. Conversely, they avoid pretty and elegant tools because they don't want to look like dumb novices.

      Instead, they get an ugly and ineffective tool they don't understand, and have no hope in hell of doing a decent job with it. This makes them look like dumb novices to everyone except... dumb novices. The learning curve is steep, so they look like that for a much longer time. Meanwhile, the dumb novice who got the pretty and elegant tool has rapidly outgrown it, moved on to the ugly and ineffective tool - and recognised the other guy for the dumb novice he is.

      The Mac commercials are not helping this phenomenon. Indeed, they are encouraging it.

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    83. Re:Apple ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Reminds me of what a buddy says - You know the difference between a BMW and a porcupine?

      The porcupine has the pricks on the outside...

    84. Re:Apple ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The truth is PCs running Windows are more problematic than Macs."

      I don't know if 'problematic' is the word I'd use, but they do give a greatly diminished user experience. I was going to 'cute' this up by interspersing various lines throughout the post, emulating the damned balloons that constantly pop up in your face while using XP, and that after I turned them off! That is probably my biggest peeve about XP - it constantly wants to update you on what is going on..."hey, you just plugged something in!...Oh, it's a mouse!...Hey! Your mouse is working!". You know, when I plug it in and the cursor moves, I know I plugged it in, it's a mouse, and it's working. No balloons needed.

      But the one that makes me ballistic is when it interrupts you in the middle of something else, but not in a subtle way. Acrobat was hounding me yet again to upgrade to the latest patch, so I finally relented...then it told me "hey, go ahead and get other work done, I'll just do my thing in the background". Yeah. Until it was done. I was in the middle of furiously typing away at an email, when I saw a window pop up, accept my text as a response, and disappear, quick as a wink. I didn't mean to do that...I wish I had seen what I responded to, but the only reason I think it was Acrobat telling me it was done is because I never heard from it again, telling me it was done.

      When OSX wants your attention for something left undone, that program's icon bounces up and down...somewhat annoying, but believe me, a lot less annoying than responding to a query without meaning to!

      There's a lot more, but these are some that everyone can see...

    85. Re:Apple ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My shiny new MacBook Pro has crashed as many times in the two months that I've had it as any Windows machine has in a two-month period.


      If you're able to crash both (let alone either) multiple times in a month, you need to factor in the PEBKAC.

    86. Re:Apple ads by jpellino · · Score: 1

      1 install of ecamm's mac software, they all work.

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    87. Re:Apple ads by binarysins · · Score: 1

      I'm still waiting for the Dell commercial where the Dell and the Mac walk into Electronic Boutique and the PC walks out with Quake X or whatever and the Mac walks out with Choplifter

    88. Re:Apple ads by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      [W]e tend to be more diserning consumers...my missle launcher doesn't work under OS X.

      So was the discerning part picking the missile launcher over the mini lava lamp, or picking one that didn't work on multiple OS's?

    89. Re:Apple ads by mibus · · Score: 1

      I'm -really- tired of people saying how well OpenOffice works when it doesn't. Just because it -is- an alternative doesn't mean it's superior, or even on an even footing with its competition.

      Depends on the criteria used to judge superiority... For me, something in Debian Unstable is much more preferable than something not, just for ease of (un)install & upgrades. There are only a couple of things that I use that aren't available through apt, and they almost never get updated, because it's just too much hassle. They also typically don't fit into my desktop theme. I can't flick a document to a friend with a comment "if you can't open it, just get the software yourself".

      On the other hand, if you want "word count" in a sensible place... ;)

    90. Re:Apple ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm -really- tired of people saying how OpenOffice.org doesn't work well, when it does. For me. Would you -please- consider the fact that other people have other frames of reference than you have, and that for other people OpenOffice.org may actually work well, even better, than the available alternatives?

      Or in other words, and pardon the bluntness: F*ck off with your one-eyed view on the world.

    91. Re:Apple ads by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Any non-Apple hardware which Apple uses DRM to lock you out of using. So Apple.

    92. Re:Apple ads by mikael_j · · Score: 1
      Actually, the term "Personal computer" existed before the IBM PC. Somehow over the years "PC" and thus also "Personal computer" became a term mainly used for IBM PC-compatible machines powered by some chip compatible with the Intel x86 series of CPUs. Using the term to describe a Mac, an Amiga or a Spectravideo SVI-328 would thus be perfectly alright. In fact, as late as the mid-90's boxed software would still list "100% IBM PC Compatible computer" or some variation as a requirement..

      /Mikael

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    93. Re:Apple ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahahahaha you from the US?
      Prick.

    94. Re:Apple ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I can watch DVDs out of the box, but if I want to watch anything in fullscreen

      Just press the Apple key and zero to enter Full Screen mode in Apple's DVD Player.

    95. Re:Apple ads by UtucXul · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, if you want "word count" in a sensible place... ;)

      % which wc
      /usr/bin/wc
      %
      Looks like a sensible place to me. Maybe that's just because I tend to use LaTeX for all my writing. :)
    96. Re:Apple ads by gujo-odori · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      If Macs have a slight edge in ease of use over Windows, than an M-16 has a slight edge over a muzzle-loading musket as an infantry weapon. Looking on from the Windows or Linux side of the fence, you may not realize just how much better OS X is than Windows, but the gulf really is about that large.

      Price? XP Pro isn't exactly cheap. Software availability? For most users, there are no areas where either the same or workalike software isn't available. Better still, in cases where there is both a Win and Mac version of a software product, the Mac version is usually better. There's more Windows software out there, but a lot of it's crappy and nowhere near worth the price. Mac software covers all the important areas and is usually much better in quality.

      Also, consider this: if price and software availability are really all that matter to most people, they should all be using Debian or one of its clones: they're free and there's something like 7000 packages in the Debian repositories, any of which can be installed free of charge with a few clicks of the mouse.

      Why, then, do most people use Windows? Because it's what their computer came with and they don't know anything else/know any better. If they did know anything else, they'd switch. The fact of the matter is that in terms of the quality of the UI, Windows has fallen far behind both Mac and Linux. Vista does a lot to offset that, but it brings so much other crap with it that it's not worth switching, IMO. If you're going to learn a whole different UI anyway, might as well forget Vista and Aeroglass and get something better and cheaper, like OS X or Kubuntu.

    97. Re:Apple ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love the responses you got because they're just so stereotypical of a drooling fanboy customer base:

      1. Your experiences don't count, because it's only you that had the problems. However, if your experiences with Mac were positive, then MOD YOU UP, despite the fact that it's STILL anecdotal evidence.

      2. If the system crashes, it's not because of some buggy code or an oversight somewhere. It's just plain your fucking fault. YOU did something that you shouldn't have. It couldn't be that the almighty gods at Apple are to blame. Nope, nosiree.

    98. Re:Apple ads by Logic+and+Reason · · Score: 1

      I'm a devout Mac user and even I don't relate to adverts.
      Apple has no need to advertise to you, since you already own a Mac. Apple is trying to convince people who are far less tech-savvy than you are, people who may not even know what an "operating system" is, that Macs are a better option than "PCs" (by which they mean PCs running Windows). In fact, just making people realize that Macs are an option may be enough, since many people may just buy a PC without ever considering what kind of software it comes with.
    99. Re:Apple ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Concerning USB drives etc. Windows (XP) sucks seriously in one respect. If you have network drives mapped, Windows may try to map the USB device to the SAME drive letter as a network drive and then get horribly confused (typically this occurs with drives F:,G: etc). The only decent solution is to permanantly remap the network drives to different letters. But when your network drives are mapped automatically by a non-changeable login script (in a work enviroment), this isn't an option. Eventually the login script got changed...
      MS have been aware of this for years according to their knowledgebase item but never bothered to fix it.

    100. Re:Apple ads by StarfishOne · · Score: 1

      I want the engine to roar like a pride of lions and the tires to scream like a banshee when I hit the accelerator. I can't get that from a BMW. Sure, on the average day, a BMW would probably be a more comfortable commute - but it's just the wrong attitude. A car should be scary.


      There are of course different models of BMW. Also models which are both comfortable and very, very fast.


      E.g.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS5znezR3tg

      Just sit through the first 6-7 minutes or so. :P :P

    101. Re:Apple ads by CDarklock · · Score: 1

      A stock BMW doesn't have a Hemi.

      Game over. ;)

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    102. Re:Apple ads by StarfishOne · · Score: 1


      Ok, you win. ;)

      Still nice for the daily commute though, lol! :D

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OafZfaI9MyM

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJQAcZBXrYI

      Nice stuff to watch :)

    103. Re:Apple ads by CDarklock · · Score: 1

      > Still nice for the daily commute though, lol!

      True dat. Realistically, I couldn't have a muscle car; I get too damn many speeding tickets in my big-ass boat of an Oldsmobile. If I had something with any real power, those tickets would just start being for THREE digit speeds, and I can't afford that.

      Besides, I like Oldsmobiles; they're nice and comfortable, and when's the last time you heard of ANYONE, ANYWHERE stealing an Oldsmobile?

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  9. Go PowerBook G4! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Interesting to hear she's still using the same G4. I'm using the same PowerBook G4 I bought in 2003, because it still is a surprisingly competent notebook after 3.5 years, even for my daily graphics work. I hear all these Windows people complaining about how a PC only lasts a couple of years before you have to buy a new one; I hear that and think, well, that just about negates the "PCs are cheaper" argument...

    1. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear all these Windows people complaining about how a PC only lasts a couple of years before you have to buy a new one; So putting words into non-existent peoples' mouths makes you insightful now, does it?
    2. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by Curien · · Score: 1

      Since when do we take computer advice from Windows users?

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    3. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by Tiro · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Well, I'm still using a 2.0 GHz celeron with 256 MB ram, and it runs a stripped down version of XP quite well, not to mention Ubuntu.

      I think the main reason people "have to" upgrade is because Windows gets bloated registries. Even without viruses, things crawl on a poorly maintained machine with a lot of crappy apps like AOL installed.

    4. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by Nirvelli · · Score: 1

      The only reason that a majority of PCs generally can't keep up in graphics-intensive applications is because there are two main groups of PC users:
      1) The common household who buys some pre-built Dell box with no actual video card, and
      2) The crazy gamer who is always buying the brand new bleeding-edge graphics card, and doesn't mind paying for it every year (or month or whatever).

      For any other use, a well-maintained PC will run just fine in the typical household, and those only slow down because users are constantly ignoring instructions and security warning and thus getting viruses and/or spyware on their machines.
      Also, Windows applications and hardware are a dime a dozen, and it is not hard to find something on the store shelf that will blue-screen you because the programmers didn't know what they were doing when they were interfacing it with Windows.
      Programs for Mac have to work because the market is much smaller. (Though this definitely doesn't guarantee a problem-free experience.)

    5. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by bozho · · Score: 1

      Hm. I'm not your average Windows user, but...

      I bought my PC back in 2002. It's a P4 overclocked to 2.4GHz, 512MB RAM and 80GB HDD. Components I have replaced since I bought it:

      - graphics card (Radeon X800 XT) - didn't have to, but I like to play a game every now and then
      - TV card (Terratec 600) - again, didn't have to, my sister got the old one, it still works
      - motherboard - had to, the old one died due to a strange electrical discharge incident at my friend's house
      - DVD burner (the old one's motor died) - I could have bought a cheaper one, but I'm a Plextor fan

      How much would these upgrades/fixes cost on a Mac?

      Oh, and Windows XP on it have never been reinstalled (install date is August 23rd 2002, if we are to believe creation dates on system directories :-) Only once I had a trojan-related incident (late night and one click too many :-) and twice had to revert to a restore point because of a funky TV card driver that caused BSOD when running my TV app.

      The system still runs fine.

    6. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much would these upgrades/fixes cost on a Mac?

      For the repairs it depends when they happened. If it's in the first year or 3(depending whether or not you get apple care) they are free. If not then it's an arm and a leg :(

      As for the upgrades those should be roughly the same, after all, you can simply stick the same DVD burner in a mac. Building your own system from parts is always going to be cheaper tho. In reality Apple is competing with other pre build systems, when the price difference disappears.
      I seem to recall a study a few years ago that found that the average life-span of a home windows system was about 18 months while the average life-span of a home mac was about 8 years. From my own observations this seems about right, as the ibook I'm typing this on is about 7 right now and most windows users I know are almost constantly getting new (still crappy) systems. Allot of this has to do with cost and user expectations however. When you spend 200 on best buy's bargain system you don't expect it to last long and don't worry to much about replacing it when it gets infected. When you spend a few k on a mac you expect it to last, and thanks to the miracle of better tested/higher quality components it generally dose.

    7. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by isopossu · · Score: 1

      Or that you can afford to buy a new inexpensive PC more often than a more expensive Mac.

      There's a difference between choosing to and having to use older technology. If Macs costed the same as PC:s, would you still have refused to update your gear?

    8. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by fabs64 · · Score: 1

      I haven't upgraded my PC for 4 years now and it does everything you could possibly want it to other than playing the latest games.
      But then, the playstation I bought 4 years ago doesn't do that either.

    9. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      True. Despite me having to resolder a contact on the DC-in board* and replacing the hard drive once my G4 iBook is still going strong (okay, except for the cables of the power adapter finally succumbing to the abuse I put them through**). The only reason I will upgrade to a MBP once Leopard is out is because the notebook has become my main work machine and 1024x768 is a bit too small for that. Oh, and I could use x86 compatibility.

      The iBook (once I have a replacement power adapter) will probably go to my parents or my brother. No reason to throw it away.

      * Apple should develop something that keeps people from trying to walk through power cords. MagSafe is nice, but I'm thinking more along the lines of barbed wire...
      ** Just because notebook backpacks have a little pouch for you to store the power adapter in doesn't mean the cables won't break from you doing so.

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    10. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by StarKruzr · · Score: 1

      I just got an MBP two weeks ago and it is one of the best investments I've ever made. The thing is inhumanly fast.

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      +++ATH0
    11. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

      I still use several ca. 1998 PCs for various tasks. My primary concern in continuing their life has nothing to do with their capacity to fill their useful purposes, but simply their power consumption in relation thereof...which should explain quite a bit about the true lifespan metrics of the hardware...for which no platform is immune. A $500 MacMini has a similar performance vs. power consumption curve compared to its decade-old equivalent, which In 1998 was the iMac at 233Mhz--that's not a damn sight greater leap in performance over the lifespan.

      Face it, the technology is and has always been roughly equivalent.

    12. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, a 2003 G4! That's incredible. Seriously, if it wasn't for games I'd still be using my first computer which is 8 years old. The computer is still being used by my parents (upstairs). Pictures, word processing, internet, 2D games, financial programs don't really require that much cpu power.

    13. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by dreamer-of-rules · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A couple months ago, I upgraded from a 3.5 yr 1.0GHz TiBook to a 2.33GHz C2D MacBook Pro. The speed goes way beyond being able to play H.264 videos without stuttering.

      I gave my brothers a demo, with all of these running simultaneously..
      * iTunes playing music
      * VLC playing a video
      * DVD playing (a ripped folder)
      * iPhoto open with 5,000 photos
      * VPN/VNC to several work systems
      * Parallels running Windows XP
      * ...and that Windows XP running XCOM:UFO Defence
      * A second Parallels window installing Windows 98

      I hit Expose to show all windows-- there was no stutter.

      The CPU load was only at 75% :-D

      / love the MagSafe adapter more than I expected.. it just works

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    14. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by glesga_kiss · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Ditto. I think these mac users are on crack most of the time, they have this weird self-censorship where all the facts are skewed. Explains the eyelids I suppose. In my home I only have two PCs with a CPU speed greater than 2gHz, one is my old desktop that is FOUR years old and the other is my new laptop and both were specifically bought with gaming in mind. The rest are all below the 500MHz mark and run just fine.

    15. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      it still is a surprisingly competent notebook after 3.5 years
      Wow. You're surprised to get 3.5 years out of your Mac? I got 6 (I consider anything less then 5 years out of a computer to be less then my money's worth) out of my PC and only replaced it because it broke.

    16. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by steelfood · · Score: 1

      I think most of the upgrading talk comes from the hardcore gamers. Games always push the envelope when it comes to hardware requirements, especially so because the hardware specs of a gamer's machine can be a moving target. There isn't much talk about having to upgrade Mac or Linux boxen because most people using those OS's don't game with them, or aren't interested in playing the newest games on the first day of release. They either game on a separate machine (which does require upgrading), or, they stick to one or two games (WoW) and play nothing else on their computer.

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    17. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      ...and that Windows XP running XCOM:UFO Defence

      There, it's proven: Mac users do automatically have good taste. ;)

      By the way, there's one thing I'd really like to see - VLC not dropping frames like there is no tomorrow when the Thunderbird icon starts hopping. That alone would be a major improvement... That or closing Thunderbird before watching something.

      By the way (again), do Intel Macs have a system load of 2+ when mdimport indexes something? I'd guess that problem still exists since I think mdimport is mostly an I/O hog.

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    18. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by ghyd · · Score: 1

      What do you mean get old quicker in the PC than in the MAC ? the hard drive ? the ram ? the parts that make it a gaming capable machine ?

    19. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by Inda · · Score: 1

      I'm still using a P3 450. Boy, what a games machine that was when I bought it!

      I rip DVDs to Xvid on it - 36 to 48 hours. Lower the priority of VirtualDubMod to idle and I can still play MP3s (Foobar2k), run DC, Trillian and Firefox.

      New computers? pfffffft

      PS. Can I have a silver medal? I'm getting bored of the gold ones.

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    20. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A $500 MacMini has a similar performance vs. power consumption curve compared to its decade-old equivalent, which In 1998 was the iMac at 233Mhz--that's not a damn sight greater leap in performance over the lifespan.

      I don't see how you figure. A Mac mini averages about 40 watts. An iMac G3 averages about 150 watts with the monitor, or about 70 without. The equipped power supplies are rated 85w and 200w, respectively.

    21. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

      ...that was precisely my point: five times the computing power for half the power consumption, and that relationship over time is roughly equivalent for both "PCs" and Macs.

    22. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

      / love the MagSafe adapter more than I expected.. it just works

      No shit! When the new MacBooks first came out and people were raving about it, I was like "... Ohhhhhkay...." I mean, I'm a macgirl, but jesus, that seemed to be carrying fanboyism a weeee far.

      Then I got mine. First 10 minutes out of the box and my dog goes tearing ass across the room and runs right into the cord. I yelp, can't look... But no, just popped right out.

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    23. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by linuxpng · · Score: 1

      I hate to always be the guy that's contrary, but go get yourself an easynews account and hit alt.binaries.mp3.complete_cd. If I do this in Safari both of my processors go above 70 percent. I know my mac is good for somethings (drive crunching) but it's horrible for others (opengl performance, even with multithreaded opengl).

    24. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by evilviper · · Score: 1

      I hear all these Windows people complaining about how a PC only lasts a couple of years before you have to buy a new one;
      Did you maybe hear that more than 5 years ago, when it really was more or less true?

      Or are you perhaps surrounded by idiots who don't know how to reinstall Windows, and just buy a new one when they finally get overwhelmed by the unchecked viruses and spyware?

      For the record, my PPro from 1996 is going strong as a firewall/router. My DVR box is a 4+ year-old AthlonXP 2000+. And my desktop machine is a 1.2GHz Athlon, with PC-133 RAM, and a 40GB HDD...

      Older systems are great. My machines, that were light on memory even for their time, now all have over 1GB each. When old systems start dying, or just no longer being useful, parts are damn-near free. That applies to most everything.

      Today, you can put together a low-end tower for $100 with all-new parts.
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    25. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by sootman · · Score: 1

      Yup, just depends who you are, what you like, and how clean you keep your system. My 1 GHz PIII HP Pavilion with W2K, FireFox 0.6, and Photoshop 7 is still doing very well, thankyouverymuch. OTOH, fat web pages make my 800 MHz G3 iBook crawl, so I stepped up to a MacBook. Man, dual cores in a laptop kicks ass. :-)

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    26. Re:Go PowerBook G4! by AirLace · · Score: 1

      The CPU load was only at 75% :-D

      One of the goals of any operating system is to maximise efficient use of resources, so if it's not utilizing near 100% available CPU, the kernel is probably failing to efficiently schedule tasks and is leaving processes IO bound.

      So in summary 75% CPU use at that kind of load is not impressive and doesn't sound at all competitive with the schedulers in Linux, Solaris and even Windows.
  10. Apple's Demographic? by SpzToid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...What do you think it was about your ads that made you a stand out?
    Ellen: I don't know? Because people thought I was stoned, because there aren't that many young girls in computer commercials.

    Ellen seems to have figured out where fanboys come from.
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    1. Re:Apple's Demographic? by jkrise · · Score: 1

      "Ellen seems to have figured out where fanboys come from."

      Not from Slashdot, at any rate.... BTW, she says No Comment, wrt her availability. Any PC users on Slashdot like to switch?

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    2. Re:Apple's Demographic? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      Well, it's obvious, isn't it? Sex sells, and nerdy boys don't need much because they only know girls from .jpg anyway. So, she is perfect for appealing the high school nerds. That, and dirty old men, like me ;-)

      I'm not a fanboy, but I do think she's cute...

    3. Re:Apple's Demographic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, she is perfect for appealing the high school nerds. That, and dirty old men, like me ;-) I'm not a fanboy, but I do think she's cute... I hope you're referring to her today; she was 14 when she made the adverts.
    4. Re:Apple's Demographic? by kv9 · · Score: 1

      Sex sells, and nerdy boys don't need much because they only know girls from .jpg

      get with the times, you old fart (.mpg/.avi)

    5. Re:Apple's Demographic? by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      she was 14 when she made the adverts.

            Before you lock kv9 up as a sex offender, there's nothing wrong with thinking or saying a 14 year old is cute/hot/sexy or whatever. It's a valid opinion.

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    6. Re:Apple's Demographic? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      It's a valid opinion.

      Did you actually SEE her? She looks like Molly Ringwald without the orange hair.

  11. Well by airencracken · · Score: 0

    I'd hit it.

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    1. Re:Well by Fengpost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you lost? Couldn't find you way to Digg?

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    2. Re:Well by BlackMesaLabs · · Score: 1

      Exactly! Indeed! Here Here! Sex has no place on Slashdot, you insensitive clod!!

    3. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's HEAR fucking HEAR. Think before you type!

    4. Re:Well by airencracken · · Score: 0

      Whoops, let me switch into slashdot mode: I'd put her into a beowulf cluster while in soviet russia our new switched overlords welcome you! Better?

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    5. Re:Well by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      No, because you seem to be more excited about her than Natalie Portman.

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    6. Re:Well by airencracken · · Score: 0

      I'd hit Natalie Portman too.

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  12. I'd be hittin' it by melted · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Seriously.

    1. Re:I'd be hittin' it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, lucky for all the 14 year old girls out there, you have probably only ever "hit" your hand. Or maybe a sock.

      Pedophile.

  13. Is there nothing better to read? by kaan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I saw her Switch ad when it came out. I didn't get the cult fascination then, and I don't get it now either. So fine, whatever. Fast forward 5 years later and I'm wondering what the hell any of us are doing reading an interview with her.

    I read part of the interview and have concluded that it's just as interesting as most blogs by strangers I'll never meet. Funny thing is, most people are immediately appreciative of how much most blogs suck, yet an interview with Ellen Feiss is somehow above that.

    Please, someone tell me, what the hell am I missing here? Really. I don't get it.

    1. Re:Is there nothing better to read? by AnnoyedDroid · · Score: 0

      You must be new here. . .

      Let me be the first to welcome you to America.

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    2. Re:Is there nothing better to read? by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Funny thing is, most people are immediately appreciative of how much most blogs suck, yet an interview with Ellen Feiss is somehow above that.

      Yes, but at least they aren't hypocritical, because what Feiss did wasn't blog related.

      Please, someone tell me, what the hell am I missing here?

      A 14 year old Mac loving stoner chick, to some geeks. :-p

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    3. Re:Is there nothing better to read? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think you're missing the fact that she is no longer a stoned-looking 14-year-old, but a very hot redhead 19-year-old college student. :P I mean, my god man! Look at her eyes here!

      http://www.faq-mac.com/mt/archives/img/escaparate/ Ellen%20Feiss.jpg

      Don't fall in! The lips aren't that unattractive, either. Ok, yeah, the rest may not be so hot (I've not seen any of her 'film acumen') but that much, at least, is.

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    4. Re:Is there nothing better to read? by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1
    5. Re:Is there nothing better to read? by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      I had never seen the ad because I was living abroad at the time, not using Macs (just Linux, but I have a Mac at work now, a MacBook Pro 15; I like it almost as much as a Linux box, and better in a few specific areas), and AFAIK it wasn't broadcast on Japanese television.

      Now that I have seen, I don't see what the big deal was. It's hardly something that would compel me to want a Mac, unlike the current Mac and PC ads, which are hilarious. And she's absolutely right that it's creepy how so many people were so into her and are still so into the 14-year old her.

    6. Re:Is there nothing better to read? by Mark_in_Brazil · · Score: 1

      I think you're missing the fact that she is no longer a stoned-looking 14-year-old, but a very hot redhead 19-year-old college student. :P I mean, my god man! Look at her eyes here!

      http://www.faq-mac.com/mt/archives/img/escaparate/ Ellen%20Feiss.jpg

      Don't fall in! The lips aren't that unattractive, either. Ok, yeah, the rest may not be so hot (I've not seen any of her 'film acumen') but that much, at least, is.
      I have to wonder if the "don't fall in" eyes have anything to do with pupil dilation because she filmed a scene in which her character was taking magic mushrooms...

      That said, she kinda reminds me of Luana Piovani, a Brazilian model/actress/generally famous person that keeps most Brazilian men drooling.
      Check out a pic of Luana here, or visit her official site (where I didn't see any pics in which she resembled the switcher girl quite so much).
      That's actually kinda funny, because it was a sort of "open secret" for some time that Luana smoked the wacky tobacky, and then a few years ago she openly declared it, setting off a stupid controversy.
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    7. Re:Is there nothing better to read? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This story is of the mac people, by the mac people, and for the mac people. Get it? But you probably knew that and was just venting.

    8. Re:Is there nothing better to read? by sacrilicious · · Score: 1
      I saw her Switch ad when it came out. I didn't get the cult fascination then, and I don't get it now either. So fine, whatever. Fast forward 5 years later and I'm wondering what the hell any of us are doing reading an interview with her.

      I agree, this epidemic of fascination with girls one has never met just seems put on. Plus, all my energy is currently devoted to my adoration of Natalie Portman.

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    9. Re:Is there nothing better to read? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had never seen the ad because I was living abroad at the time, not using Macs (just Linux, but I have a Mac at work now, a MacBook Pro 15; I like it almost as much as a Linux box, and better in a few specific areas), and AFAIK it wasn't broadcast on Japanese television.

      Thanks for sharing, but I'm confused by your comment. I never saw the ad on TV in the US. I saw it one the internet. I thought Japan had great internet connections.

    10. Re:Is there nothing better to read? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's just a good shot -- most of the time, she still looks wasted: http://www.ellenfeiss.net/?p=19.

      Still would though*.

      AC.

      * but, like the rest of you, I'm a geek and can't afford to be fussy.

    11. Re:Is there nothing better to read? by lonechicken · · Score: 1

      In that picture, she looks like Chloe from Smallville.

    12. Re:Is there nothing better to read? by climbing · · Score: 1

      She's ok and all.

      BUT SHE DIDN'T SAVE CHRISTMAS!!! Oh Janie Porche, where are you?

    13. Re:Is there nothing better to read? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Actually, that's interesting, and a distinct possibility I'd not considered. See, I met this girl who looked a hell of a lot like the 'older' Feiss in those movie screen caps, and man did I have the hots for her. And she was a stoner. Weird coincidence, particularly since I can't stand that shit.

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    14. Re:Is there nothing better to read? by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Interesting

      She looks like a stunt double.

      I think you're missing the fact that people tend to attribute characteristics -- attractive people are good and conversely good people are attractive -- based on unrelated factors. Seeing a chick with a computer can be as compelling for a nerd as seeing an old man in a Ferarri might be for a model, where seeing the same people in different circumstances would likely result in indifference.

      Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but people don't always realize everything they're beholding.

  14. Is submitter, like, 12? by superdude72 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    2002 is not a bygone era damn it. We haven't even decided what to call this decade yet.

    1. Re:Is submitter, like, 12? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure it is. You ain't gettin' it back. And it's the Noughties.

    2. Re:Is submitter, like, 12? by bh_doc · · Score: 1

      This decade? You mean the naughties?

    3. Re:Is submitter, like, 12? by carpe_noctem · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sure it is. Those were just the web 1.0 days!

      --
      "Quoting famous computer scientists out of context is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - K
    4. Re:Is submitter, like, 12? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the world of IT marketing, six months ago is a bygone era.

    5. Re:Is submitter, like, 12? by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      I'd be somewhat worried if Slashdot's accounting is done by a 12 year old.

    6. Re:Is submitter, like, 12? by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      2002 is not a bygone era damn it. We haven't even decided what to call this decade yet.
      What do you mean? A lot has changed!

      For example, now the Internet uses tubes.

    7. Re:Is submitter, like, 12? by Cervantes · · Score: 1

      "We haven't even decided what to call this decade yet."

      'The Aughts'
      That's what Grampa Simpson would do, and that's just right, dagnabit.

      I'm just looking forward to the Tickitys coming up in 13 years. That'll be a great decade.

      --
      If I knew the wedgies I gave you back in 6th grade would have resulted in this . . . I might have taken a moments pause.
    8. Re:Is submitter, like, 12? by mamer-retrogamer · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'm partial to "the turn of the millennium" for the aught years. ("Turn of the century" still conjures images of the 1900s for me).

      I'm just waiting for the next two years to pass to see if people will start using "twenty" instead of "two-thousand": i.e. "twenty-ten" instead of "two-thousand-ten".

      --
      Schrödinger's cat is not amused—maybe.
    9. Re:Is submitter, like, 12? by Cervantes · · Score: 1

      People (at least in Canada) are already using "Twenty" for everything...

      --
      If I knew the wedgies I gave you back in 6th grade would have resulted in this . . . I might have taken a moments pause.
  15. Ellen's take on the iPhone... by SpzToid · · Score: 5, Funny

    as quoted by a MacFan magazine...

    Macenstein: What do you think of the newly announced Apple iPhone?

    Ellen: Sounds expensive.

    Macenstein: Ok, we've taken up far too much of your time already.

    - - - -
        You can't be ahead of the curve if you're stuck in a loop.

    --
    You can't be ahead of the curve, if you're stuck in a loop.
    1. Re:Ellen's take on the iPhone... by Dilaudid · · Score: 1

      Love it... Even better since it's a verbatim quote FTA...

    2. Re:Ellen's take on the iPhone... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Yes, the interview makes Apple look like what they really are - businessmen.

      Macenstein: I read that after the Apple ads aired, Apple sort of advised you to not try to capitalize on your celebrity, and sort of fade away. Why do you think that was?

      Ellen: A multinational company obviously doesn't want to be associated with weed. Their instructions made me want to capitalize on it though.

      Macenstein: So as far as you know, your friends who did the ads with you did not get those same instructions from Apple? You were singled out because of the "stoner" moniker?

      Ellen: Hamilton's ad was the only ad besides mine that was picked up. The other two girls I was with, their ads never aired. Apple was advising me not to take acting roles, not to go on the talk shows, so they were talking specifically to me.

      And this doesn't make them look bad, but I thought it was funny:

      Do you currently own a Mac now?
      Ellen:Same computer I had when I made the ad. G4

      G5? Intel-based? Who needs 'em? Most people do fine on an "outdated" computer.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  16. I read the story... by Jugalator · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was reading the story, and thought I was going to see something interesting, and it was like "beep beep beep". It's kinda... a bummer.

    --
    Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
    1. Re:I read the story... by thefirelane · · Score: 2, Funny

      It was a really good interview...

    2. Re:I read the story... by jkrise · · Score: 1, Funny

      I was reading the story, and thought I was going to see something interesting, and it was like "beep beep beep". It's kinda... a bummer.

      Welcome to Slashdot.... most 'stories' here just go beep beep beep.... or dupe dupe dupe. And the comments are mostly bummers.. like this one!

      --
      If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
    3. Re:I read the story... by mackermacker · · Score: 1

      I was reading the story, and thought I was going to see something interesting, and it was like "beep beep beep". It's kinda... a bummer.

      I was reading the story, and thought I was going to see something interesting, and it was like "beep beep beep". It's kinda... a boner.

      Fixed that for ya.

  17. A hero among us? by Annoymous+Cowherd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The internet highlights a rather interesting aspect of human nature - the need to idolise other people.

    The rise to fame of actors and actresses is a bit more straightforward, since their performances are laid bare for all to rewind and review. We needed to see something about a person before we decided that they were worth the worship.

    Now, as we move forward, it seems the time and effort required for someone to bask in the aura of fame is drastically reducing. What we find more often in public forums are people, represented by no more than the text of their name or a default avatar, enjoying heroic receptions.

    I guess anonymity of others allows us to identify one or two things we like, and then our imagination fills in the rest.

    I think this will negatively effect self esteem in the long run.

    1. Re:A hero among us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet highlights a rather interesting aspect of human nature - the need to idolise other people.
      Actually, I would call that an American phenomenon. I never quite understood why anyone who does an even slightly remarkable thing (or get's some sort recognition) is suddenly a "hero" or an "idol" in the U.S. Hell, all you have to do there is get famous and people worship you. Take J-Lo for example - what the hell does she *do* exactly? Does she sing? act? dance? She sucks at all those things, yet, people worship her. Go figure.

      I have never even seen an add with the girl in TFA. Didn't know who she was. Don't care.
  18. Didn't the Beach-Boys ....... by chawly · · Score: 0

    Have a song about this young lady ? Something about her "making their hearts come all undone" ? Or have I got the wrong song ? Or maybe - heavens - the wrong girl ?

    --
    How many beans make five, anyhow ? ... Charles Walmsley
  19. Hmmm by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 4, Funny
    From TFA:

    My image in that commercial belongs to them. The money from Ellen Frisbees and alarm clocks would have to partially go to Apple.
    And the blow-up doll?
    --
    It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
    1. Re:Hmmm by hachete · · Score: 1

      And the blow-up doll? That'll be Heidi Fleiss you're thinking of. Easy mistake.

      --
      Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious
  20. The noughties, obviously. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The beeb uses it.

  21. Don'now how many of you got the 'stoned' part.. by jigyasubalak · · Score: 1

    But, first time I read it I thought the evil microsoft fanboys stoned
    her 'coz she switched. And it was polite of her to say 'it wasn't the case'.

    --
    The best planning can be done after the project completes.
    1. Re:Don'now how many of you got the 'stoned' part.. by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      Hehheh. Well, I'd stone her. Softly. With plush cows that 'mooo' when they hit her :-)

      --
      8 of 13 people found this answer helpful. Did you?
  22. Go MMX166 by denzacar · · Score: 0

    Still working. My father still does his Word/Excel stuff on it.
    And it still has its original CMOS battery.

    --
    Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
    1. Re:Go MMX166 by OP_Boot · · Score: 1

      Twin PIII 500 still running NT here....

    2. Re:Go MMX166 by name*censored* · · Score: 3, Funny
      Back in my day, we had competitions to see who had the BEST computer... you damn crazy kids!

      [disclaimer: I'm not actually old, but it seemed appropriate]
      --
      Commodore64_love: I don't comprehend people who're so frightened of death that they'll bankrupt themselves to stay alive
    3. Re:Go MMX166 by hey! · · Score: 1

      And it still has its original CMOS battery.
      Your setup would be cooler if you replaced the button battery with a potato that had a nail and copper wire driven into it.
      --
      Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
    4. Re:Go MMX166 by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Back in my day, we had competitions to see who had the BEST computer... you damn crazy kids!

            So what did you do, count the rows of beads on your abacus to see who was more modern, grandpa? :P

      --
      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    5. Re:Go MMX166 by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      I've got several CoCo IIIs.

      Wait, you're saying that's not a personal computer?

    6. Re:Go MMX166 by xtracto · · Score: 1

      No kiddo,

      We counted the bags with more pebbles.

      --
      Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'
  23. Yeah, PCs, please stop sucking! by LKM · · Score: 3, Funny

    Stop with the "PC sucks" nonsense.

    Yeah, I agree, PCs should really stop sucking. However, I wonder why you're telling that to us. Most of us aren't working on Windows.

    1. Re:Yeah, PCs, please stop sucking! by suv4x4 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah, I agree, PCs should really stop sucking. However, I wonder why you're telling that to us. Most of us aren't working on Windows.

      So you're not working on a PC? What are you working on, Amiga?

    2. Re:Yeah, PCs, please stop sucking! by LKM · · Score: 1

      I meant "working on Windows" as in "being in a position where we can fix Windows' suckiness, i.e. working on Windows' code," not "sitting in front of a Windows box all day long."

    3. Re:Yeah, PCs, please stop sucking! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I agree, PCs should really stop sucking. However, I wonder why you're telling that to us. Most of us aren't working on Windows.

      PCs stink on ice without running Windows. The PC BIOS is a pile of shit. The x86 ISA is sad and pathetic.

      Also, most of us ARE working on Windows. We don't get user agent stats often any more but last I checked Windows was an overwhelming majority here (but so was firefox.)

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    4. Re:Yeah, PCs, please stop sucking! by LKM · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I didn't actually mean that most of use don't use Windows. I meant that most of us aren't working at Microsoft and thus are in no position to make it suck less.

    5. Re:Yeah, PCs, please stop sucking! by burndive · · Score: 1

      I meant "working on Windows" as in "being in a position where we can fix Windows' suckiness, i.e. working on Windows' code," not "sitting in front of a Windows box all day long."

      I think that's actually what the Mac ads are asking people to do: fix what's wrong with their computer experience by getting a Mac in stead of a PC. Getting a new computer is what most people do to fix their Windows problems anyway. Hard drive fragmented? Get a new computer. You installed annoying spyware? Get a new computer and install it on that one.

      --
      ...because "hacker" sounds way sexier than "code drone."
  24. Re:Apple's Demographic? - lesbian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    She is dating a female. So any takers would have to be lez.

  25. Re:Bitch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about her comments were bitchy? If a woman who speaks frankly about gender offends you, then you have some serious problems. Although I guess that's a foregone conclusion - anyone who uses "femmenazi" is pretty screwed up.

  26. L Word? No Comment by dissolved · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems to me fanboys are bang outta luck. The fanGIRLS though....

    1. Re:L Word? No Comment by aj_308 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I was thinking the same. Us Fanboys are bang out of luck. Well I would hit it, if it were that way inclined, let it be known..

  27. youtube slashdoted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I cant view the movie, or any other movie (tried three compleatly diffrent types of movies)

  28. Re:Bitch? by lysergic.acid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    you're readin something out of that article that's totally not there. maybe you've just got personal issues. besides, she sounds pretty down to earth in this podcast interview.

  29. No, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She seems like a big pain in the ass.

    She has no sense of humor about the whole episode, no sense of proportion, and she seems desperate to distance herself from a bad student film that no one heard of, no one will see. And she keeps telling us how bad it is, while at the same time bringing up the film.

    But what do you expect from a 14 year old girl... Oh wait.... she's 19 now.

    Good luck to her. And to anyone who has to deal with her on a daily basis.

    1. Re:No, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? She came across as pretty level-headed and reasonable about it to me. She didn't milk her 15 minutes of fame (avoided Letterman etc. for the right reasons), but at the same time she wasn't taking herself overly seriously, i.e. not kidding us (or herself) that she was a "real" actress (haven't seen the film myself, so I don't know if she has potential or not).

      Anyway, they asked her what she'd been up to; it would have seemed contrived if she hadn't mentioned the film.

      Going by your response to the ad, I have to wonder where on earth you got it from and what your problem is...

    2. Re:No, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original poster had it right.

      I think you're too horny to understand the true nature of women.

    3. Re:No, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're too horny to understand the true nature of women.

            The true nature of women is to lie there and get screwed. Of course you have to bop them over the head with your cave-man club first... only way to deal with a woman, really.

    4. Re:No, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're too horny to understand the true nature of women. Mmm.... you know *so* much about me.

      If you're the same AC who wrote this, then my guess is that you're someone who has a *little* experience with women- enough to know that what he thought was true isn't entirely true, and feeling oh-so-experienced- and has read a semi-scientific book on the subject and now thinks that they're *the* authority on the wiles and ways of women. Whatever.

      And you're posting about it as an AC on Slashdot. Please don't project yourself onto the rest of us.
  30. Dinosaur is in da place ! by DrYak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All the machine I still use at various place are still based on Pentium II mother boards. Some of them dating back from 1998.
    Sure, I upgraded processor a couple of time (Slot1 interface and Slotckets are a wonder ! I just long until similar board with AM2 & DDR2 sockets on them and HTX interface to the main board appear...) maxed out the memory, but it still mostly the same old computers with derelict 3DFX Voodoo AGP video cards... ...and they still do the job I need them done... ...mostly because I run Linux on them and configure the interface according to the computer performance.

    Interestingly, the reason I start considering upgrading the hardware is Windows : I use it to double-boot for playing games, and even adventure games start to require performance that my hardware can't provide.

    --
    "Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
  31. Slashdot also covered this previously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    here.

  32. On BMW by pwhysall · · Score: 1

    The 3-series outsold the Ford Mondeo range last year. (And the year before that, if memory serves).

    The 1-series is an offering set against the Focus, too. Although it might not be available in the USA.

    --
    Peter
    1. Re:On BMW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The european focus is a different car than the American focus. Completely different.

      Don't ask me why they don't sell the Euro version here. The current focus here is tired and old. Same model for at least 5 years now. '07 has sheet metal changes but that's it.

      Your point remains, I'm just fyi'ing...

  33. Re:I want her to lick my balls and taint juice by celardore · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I bet her pussy tastes delicious =) You've clearly never tasted pussy.
  34. Mod parent redundant by timroerstroem · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This is /.

  35. The ad was like by kimvette · · Score: 1

    I saw the ad. It went beepbeepbeepbeepbeep and then I was like, huh?
    It was a bit of. . . a bummer.
    Then I had to watch it again. It was a really weird commercial.

    --
    The Christian Right is Neither (Christian nor right). See: Matthew 23, Matthew 25, Ezekiel 16:48-50
  36. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is not offtopic. This is exactly the kind of shit that needs to be drilled into fanboy heads. Stop talking shit about PCs when you really mean to talk shit about Windows. Now that I think about it, just stop talking shit period. Does making Windows look bad somehow make your system run better? Or is it to justify the extra $1000 spent on some shiny plastic and a draconian OS that was built on top of one you could have gotten for free and done more with?

  37. clueless college classmates by chad_r · · Score: 1

    She was in college for an entire month, and no one recognized her from the ad until someone looked up her name for an unrelated reason? Just where was this college anyway?

  38. her high school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In case anyone is wondering, the high school she went to is Cambridge School of Weston in Weston, MA. A friend of mine went there for two years and remembers her.

  39. Before you knock Office for Mac... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 0

    That'd be kinda ironic given in their ads they specifically stress on the fact MS Office is available on Mac and It Is Good.

    They're not lying, either; Office for Mac is actually an entirely decent piece of software.

    Actually, I'd say without reservations that Office for Mac is significantly nicer to use than Office for Windows, and it's a big step up from Claris/AppleWorks, which Apple has never seen fit to pay any attention to, ever since they brought it back into the corporate fold.

    Office for Mac has a more consistent UI and doesn't have some of the annoying nonfeatures that Office XP does (like those ridiculous roll-up menus; can I please find the person who thought they were a good idea, and impale them? Please?), and some features that don't exist on Windows to my knowledge, like the "Notebook Layout" in Word, which automatically records audio and synchronizes it to the typed notes, so later you can click on a line and hear the audio that was spoken at the time you wrote it. It's one of the slickest things I've ever used for automated note-taking and writing minutes, and I don't think it exists anywhere else. (There's still room for improvement; it would be better if it saved the audio and text in separate files inside a container, like Apple's RTFD documents, rather than together in a binary blob.)

    Microsoft, ironically, has a history of producing pretty decent Mac software. I'm not sure if it's because the developers there are aware that the Microsoft marque carries a certain stigma among Mac users, and they overcompensate by trying harder to produce good gear (while the Windows devs seem to know that they could stamp the MS logo on a dog turd and sell ten million copies, and produce software to match), or what, but there's no reason to knock Office for Mac. About the only complaint I have of it, is that it probably won't ever support ODF, which is a terrifically good idea. And back in the "lean years" of the Mac platform, Microsoft produced a version of Close Combat for Mac (or paid someone to produce it, more likely) that was respectable.

    Sure, they've produced some half-baked crap (MSN Messenger for Mac, Windows Media Player for Mac), but when they want to, their Mac division seems to have some talent. Pity about the rest of the company, though.

    --
    "Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
    1. Re:Before you knock Office for Mac... by MsGeek · · Score: 0

      Actually, I'd say without reservations that Office for Mac is significantly nicer to use than Office for Windows, and it's a big step up from Claris/AppleWorks, which Apple has never seen fit to pay any attention to, ever since they brought it back into the corporate fold.


      That's because they have Pages and Keynote now. Collectively known as iWork. Totally different code base. Totally different programs. Once they put out their spreadsheet program it is quite likely that the Microsoft Business Unit will be broken up and assigned to Windows products.

      --
      Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
  40. Imagined different switcher girl by timchampion · · Score: 1

    When I saw the headline, the switcher girl that came to my mind was Janie Porche. Much cuter than Ellen!

    1. Re:Imagined different switcher girl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Well, she WAS much cuter. Seems she's gone even more lesbo than Ellen in the last 5 years:

      Damn. She was hot, back in the day. Damn. Too bad.
    2. Re:Imagined different switcher girl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bah. Slashdot's preview fucked up the second link: http://www.culturebully.com/archives/1917

    3. Re:Imagined different switcher girl by tkrotchko · · Score: 1

      You appear to have sent a picture of Iggy Pop by mistake.

      --
      You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
    4. Re:Imagined different switcher girl by onemorechip · · Score: 1

      I also liked Liza Richardson, a KCRW (Santa Monica, CA) DJ.

      --
      But, I wanted socialized health insurance!
  41. No links to the movie? by Randolpho · · Score: 1

    I mean, come on, we're SLASHDOT, people! Why hasn't anybody found the movie online and posted a link to it yet?

    Pay absolutely no attention to the fact that I failed to find it. Yeah. And ignore that man behind the curtain, too.

    --
    "Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised."
    -Marilyn Manson
    1. Re:No links to the movie? by shish · · Score: 1

      It's right there, in the article. You did read the article, right?

      --
      I mod down anyone who says "I will be modded down for this", regardless of the rest of their comment
    2. Re:No links to the movie? by Randolpho · · Score: 1

      Er, by that I meant the full movie that can be watched. Not the movie's website.

      Sorry, thought I was being precise there. My bad.

      --
      "Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised."
      -Marilyn Manson
  42. Audio link: Podcast interview with Ellen by macgirl03 · · Score: 1

    A lot of this was covered in an earlier interview with Ellen, and as a bonus, it's audio, so you get to HEAR some new classic Ellen-isms: http://www.theflux.tv/index.php?/Podcast_Player/el len-feiss-interview/

  43. Reverse psyche. by argent · · Score: 1

    Macenstein: I read that after the Apple ads aired, Apple sort of advised you to not try to capitalize on your celebrity, and sort of fade away. Why do you think that was?

    Ellen: A multinational company obviously doesn't want to be associated with weed. Their instructions made me want to capitalize on it though.


    Sounds like my teenager. :)

  44. Umm OK Janie Porche by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, well you just fucking saved Christmas, huh!

  45. DON'T by LKM · · Score: 1

    I think most people are perfectly capable of inferring from context what the actual subject of a conversation is. Here's a hint: If a Windows user tells you that his PC sucks, he's probably talking about things he doesn't like in Windows, not about the ugly color of his minitower.

    The rest of your rant isn't very clever, either. If you tell others to "stop talking shit," you might as well try and be the shining light we can all follow instead of ranting and raving about imaginary fanboys who presumably stole your toy when you were a toddler, or something similarly nefarious. Furthermore, the early 90s called. They want their "Macs are expensive and made of shiny plastic" rants back. Have you actually seen a Mac recently?

  46. Re:I want her to lick my balls and taint juice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    And you clearly haven't tasted enough.

  47. Don't be so silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly, you don't understand women at all.

    Here's something to get you started. This book will change your life.

    http://www.amazon.com/Sperm-Wars-Infidelity-Confli ct-Bedroom/dp/1560258489

    No joke. You will understand women much better. You might be able to get laid, even.

  48. I dunno by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Switcher girl" sounds vaguely bisexual to me.

  49. Re:Good job, /. by Adambomb · · Score: 1

    Seems the best analogy for Apple advertising that I can think of, thats for sure. Only appropriate given the articles content =).

    --
    Ice Cream has no bones.
  50. Dunno about that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your mother seemed to think a lot of me... in fact, it's entire possible that I'm your father.

    You can call me "dad" if you want to continue this gay banter...

  51. What a nice young lady by Swift2001 · · Score: 1

    I'd be proud to have her as a daughter. Any of you nerds want to mess with her, you'll deal with me. Seriously, I thought she was intelligent and genuine in the interview. Quite perceptive about the bizarre kind of celebrity that accrued to her.

  52. Guess she switched again by hudsonhawk · · Score: 1

    n/t

  53. iWork by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    Once they put out their spreadsheet program it is quite likely that the Microsoft Business Unit will be broken up and assigned to Windows products.

    I guess this explains why they've never done a spreadsheet...if Microsoft stopped making Office for Mac, it would cripple the Macintosh platform and probably depress sales tremendously. Apple knows it -- hence why the advertise that the Mac will run Office -- and so does everyone else (iWork didn't sell very well, heck, it couldn't even outsell Word Perfect).

    Not to be conspiratorial, but if you're right, I'd sooner believe that Apple planned a spreadsheet and pulled it out of iWork, essentially scuttling it in order to save the Mac as a platform, rather than believing that they're going to implement one and take on Office directly.

    There are thousands, if not millions, of users who can only get away with using Macs, despite their advantages in other areas, because they run a native version of Microsoft Office and thus can be argued to be "100% compatible." Without a native version of Office, the Mac's marketshare would evaporate -- either with users switching back to Windows in order to get "real Office," or to Linux, because it would then be just as good (or bad), and significantly cheaper.

    There is Office, and there is everything else. iWork is not Office, therefore it is, to most people, no better or worse than any number of 'alternative office suites,' some of which are free. I think it's a great program, but unless it supports ODF and ODF catches on in a big way (like, the U.S. government mandates it as the One True Format, not bloody likely) it's competing in a niche that's been dead for years.

    I'm hardly a MS fanboy: I have a dual-proc G5 (last of the great PPC Space Heaters) at home, sitting next to a Linux workstation that I bought no-OS. I've never purchased a copy of Windows in my life, and don't plan to. But if Office didn't exist for Mac, I'd probably have to bite the bullet and get one, because it's just not practical to not speak the lingua franca of the electronic-document world, with perfect fluency. I despise the fact that DOC, and not an open standard, has become entrenched, but that's the situation users have to deal with.

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  54. Re:Apple's Demographic? - lesbian by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

    Do you have a cite for this? Not saying you're wrong, just that the "rumor" alarm went off.

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  55. SHE'S LEGAL by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 0, Troll

    OMFG she's legal. I totally forgot about that, thanks for reminding me. fap fap fap fap fap

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    1. Re:SHE'S LEGAL by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Knowing the Internet, we'll soon enough have well crafted Photoshopped fakes with her on a naked body. :-p

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  56. Re:Apple ads --they're roughly equivalent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GREAT. This is based on ONE DATA POINT.

    Hint: there's a swell job waiting for you in Washington. Running a certain war.

  57. Idiot, she's 18 now by melted · · Score: 1

    She was 14 in 2002.

  58. in TFA she does not claim it was cough medicine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    all she says in TFA is that she was not high

  59. woah! Flashback! by identity0 · · Score: 1

    Geez, is 2002 retro already? That's younger than my Slashdot account!

    In 2002...
    iPods were hot
    Google was cool
    Mozilla 1.0 was released

    Oh yes, things are *totally* different now.

    1. Re:woah! Flashback! by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      You know. We really need to have an end of year /. zeitgeist to catalog these sort of significant events in nerddom for use as a quick historical reference.

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  60. Google Video stats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the Google Video copies of this has viewing stats that mysteriously jump dramatically in the past few days. Interesting effect that the interview had.

  61. A long time ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in the year 2002, the only effective way to sell computers was if your spokesperson appeared high. How so much has changed... (sigh)

  62. Mac Users = Braindead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The one thing I love about these awful Mac commercials is that they clearly illustrate how stupid Mac users are. "Duuhh I was writin a payper an it vanish!"

    Hilarious. Keep clicking that dancing clown, Mac losers.

  63. Oh, I get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a chick!

    Can you post a picture? If you're not that good looking, I don't want to talk to you any more.

    Nice personality..... hahahahahaha.

  64. I just listened by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This will be very unpopular with the pop culture on /. that seems to idolize her... but

    First of all, she's a very gawky looking 14 year old kids. No big deal.

    And I "get" why people think she's sorta stoned.

    But listening to this mp3 that you linked to... how can I put this.... she wasn't stoned, she's just dumb. Not retarded dumb, but dumb as in "who could talk to this chick for more than 5 minutes".

    Really. Listening to her as I type, not only is she not smart, but she has the personality of a flatworm. No doubt she can reproduce because one of you guys will hit it (and let's face it, if guys were truly picky, the human race would die out in about 60 years). I can't imagine a worse fate than being tied to this slab of wood for a few decades. A man would just kill himself. Seriously.

    Imagine that voice just braying at you night after night. OMFG. You'd kill yourself and god would forgive you. You'd say to him "I'm sorry I took my life god, but there was this girl with this voice..." and god would say "I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW".

  65. All Switch ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Here's a website with all the switch ads http://plex.us/videos/switch.html

  66. Re:I want her to lick my balls and taint juice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If it's a taste you truly want to acquire, use hypnosis. I did. On the site WarpMyMind you can find a file named "PussyLover". It makes you absolutely love eating pussy. I went from not liking doing that to craving it all the time. Hell, I enjoy eating pussy more than getting head or even regular sex.

    After using the file for a few months, you get to a point where the taste is just amazing. Better than anything else. The smell becomes incredibly arousing. Seeing her react and orgasm creates a feeling better than an orgasm, in addition to actually getting many orgasms from doing that (without touching yourself).

  67. Ellen Rocks Natalie's Lame Ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All was good back in the days of "Le Leon" but that "Oh Ani" business just kind of ruined it for me. The thrill is gone Natalie. Ellen is the slashbabe for the 21st century.