Strawman; did I ues that correctly? We are not talking about taking physical stuff but data. The two cannot be related. How does hiding you email adress not count as hiding. Methinks, though I could be wrong, you are just trying to use an excuse to win your argument.
I use a computer, this one, 8 years old. Not quite as old but still. A better analogy would be to say that since some people use 30 year-old cars then a shuttle is fine. My car of a few years ago was 15. A car lasting half that age. It wasn't used much but neither is the shuttle. Of course they are fixed up but the shuttle was at least designed to last longer than the average car.
And don't dis duck/duct tape! Even MacGuyver keeps "lots of duct tape" with him at all times.
I haven't seen it in a while but is says the machine decoded the alien language. Didn't the machine do nothing but they found some other way to translate it?
It is the best hemisphere. The west and front(90w to 90e) are pretty good too.
It's always interesting that much of the land is in the north and water in the south. There probably is a significant difference between the sets of hemis.
I of am the type who doesn't think IP is property. Unlike real property it'sn't in limited amounts.
The Const. reason was to help create more works. It was designed to prevent people from selling others work. It wasn't designed to prevent people from doing what they want with their own, including time-shifting and backing up, though of course those weren't thought of then.
Thomas Jefferson: "Just as a man could light his taper from an existing candle without diminishing the original flame, so, too, could he acquire an idea without diminishing the original source."
You could think that "stealing" the fire would make them need to use money to buy matches but that still doesn't affect his saying.
Now I am not completely against copyrights. I do think that the current implementation is worse than having none at all but a better one would be to just penalize sellers and make the time [b]actually[/b] limited. 1e6 years is technically limited but I don't think they, the founding fathers, mean something like that. No 70+ years. 10 is better. I was thinking that the length should be related to how long it takes to promalgrate around. Back in the 1700's it took decades. Now it takes seconds. That means more people can access it sooner and decide if they want it.
For computer and movies it gets obsolete so quickly that even 5 might be reasonable.
Just remember that "Happy Birthday," "I have a Dream," and "Mein Kampf" are all copyrighten.
I want someone to do those in public to show how stupid the laws can be. Especially since MLK jr. probably didn't want it to be private.
P.S. "it'sn't" is a contraction for "it is not" P.P.S. I like using the word "property" because I get to quickely type the letters "e,r,t,y" which are next to each other.
I have a few differences. First I would allow multiple planet systems. If titan isn't a moon, but a planet of saturn I would rather call it a double planet system. Second, size should matter, at least in some cases. Otherwise a small speck of dust could be like a moon. Third, I disagree with your "independently of what they orbit" remark. I would like a moon to be changed to a planet when it stops orbiting somthing. Fourth, what about rings versus asteroids? Is the belt just rings of the sun? Fifth, do rouge, no wait that's Mars, rogue planets exist?
Whether Ceres should be a planet I don't know, but I don't think is is spherical.
Ignoring the fact that the theater is a private place, like a house, and can prevent anyone from entering if they so choose, it is law indirectly. [end sarcasm]
Well I think, though you and the law and 300meg people probably disagree, is that they are a special type of property called commercial. That means, again IMHO, that they do have to abide by special rules that don't exist for actual private places.
Non-discrimination is one. They shouldn't be able to use age or color to allow certain people in.
I count it as indirect because if you want to see a movie in a commercial place they can kick you out and get the laws on their side to get the police.
Not seeing the movie/whatever, anyway, still makes it law. Or as I say, "If you can pay, you can play." Well I just made that one up but it means they can't deny you goods or services if you can buy them or aren't doing anything else illegal, which according to you isn't happening.
Dislaimer, I was born in the '70s. If I want to see a movie that was made by a MPAA studio how do I do it? Will they let you, an indie, whatever that means, show it? Or do you have to abide by their rules to do so?
I don't think of it as theft; they didn't lose anything, except maybe, "value."
Yes it is a crime; but so is speeding.
It violates gov't endeared rights, not moral, according to some peoples opinions at least.
It's not clear to me. It only counts as theft and a different set of repercussions if it is property, which I don't think. And why is the fact that they don't lose something silly?
What is property? Something that can be controled. I can steal something, the usual means, and get control of it yet it is theft. Do gov't laws affect the definition of peoperty? Is air over your land property? What about when it drifts to mine? What about the tree planted on my yard that drops an apple into yours. What if I make software, not looking at yours, and happen to make identical copies? What if we made them at the same time? Does the time we got to the patent office mean anything? Yes it does hinder control of the IP. I'll assume you mean not only profit for monetary gain but mental as well; such as fun. The bathroom and telephone use electricty or water and hence the owner loses; as does the park. The theater has two aspects, the air, floor, and prevention of others from using it, e.g. no chairs may be available. It also has a similar "seeing for free" which has the same arguments as for IP.
If the rest of the reasons, you are right, work then it is their right to prevent testing. If not then it isn't. That doesn't affect the reason for "stealing."
You can only count corps as "people" if you can jail them. How can you jail a non-rational being? Does jailing a computer mean anything? I thing that since the Board of Directers are the ones that make the decision then they should be jailed if the company commits another crime. Either that or remove the corp contract with the state and hence firing all people and making stockholders lose their investment.
Now I am of the idea, obviously you don't agree, that everyone owns everything, just like air. The control of IP is from the gov't and not from some intrinsic right. Without, in America, that pesky clause in the Const., IP wouldn't exist. And what of IP that has ownership lasped but the owner is still alive? Are you against infringment of that?
Just think, you could buy the mask used on/. for a sci-fi story. Imagine reading Slashdot at work and having the rubber mask stare out at you with it's mouth wide open with the icon doing the same.
Airplane makers are gov't, to some extent, paid. Boeing does much for the military. At best they will require permits for even trying to learn flying. They can then limit that to "patriots."
Teachers will just get paid less and have to go into other careers. Or be ridiculed perhaps for being anti-gov't.
Gunmakers have the huge NRA so that will never happen. They might keep limiting types from machine guns to assualt to hand to rifle from felons to people who join the NRA and have been determined to be pro-gov't.
Most of these could be done by the slipperly slope method. Unless logic is also outlawed.
Unless the gov't decides what is wrong then it could be used that way. Burglers' tools have a much more limited use and ownership so it is harder for the gov't to decide it's rightful use.
I don't agree with either that because of my libertarian tendencies though but that is besides the point.
In any case I equate that phrase to, "if you aren't doing anything wrong then the law shouldn't affect you."
I win. My mouse is in fact made in China but the other three aren't. My cell is from Korea. My KB from the US. MY PDA, which I don't use, it is old and really just for fun, is also the US. I probably have many from Japan and Mexico as well.
One thing, he has pledged to uphold the Const. [b]all[/b] the time. Not most of the time. All you have to do is find [b]one[/b] instance of a wiretap or kidna^H^H^Harrest without one. Of course the neocons, mostly, McCain isn't too bad, in Congress won't do it.
I would rather wait until the next Congress and have his friends removed to create a less amicable one.
Doing something without have to make gobs of money! That's not capitalist it's communist. Commie!! If only more people would, and could, thing like you.
Just put the Board in jail, etc. The shareholders, except board ones, can elect a new board. That way no one loses a job. Well except for the executives.
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Strawman; did I ues that correctly?
We are not talking about taking physical stuff but data.
The two cannot be related.
How does hiding you email adress not count as hiding.
Methinks, though I could be wrong, you are just trying to use an excuse to win your argument.
I use a computer, this one, 8 years old.
Not quite as old but still.
A better analogy would be to say that since some people use 30 year-old cars then a shuttle is fine.
My car of a few years ago was 15.
A car lasting half that age.
It wasn't used much but neither is the shuttle.
Of course they are fixed up but the shuttle was at least designed to last longer than the average car.
And don't dis duck/duct tape!
Even MacGuyver keeps "lots of duct tape" with him at all times.
I haven't seen it in a while but is says the machine decoded the alien language.
Didn't the machine do nothing but they found some other way to translate it?
It is the best hemisphere.
The west and front(90w to 90e) are pretty good too.
It's always interesting that much of the land is in the north and water in the south.
There probably is a significant difference between the sets of hemis.
Similarly, flies don't like honey as much as vinegar.
You won't really attract more with honey.
Or at least I didn't.
I of am the type who doesn't think IP is property.
Unlike real property it'sn't in limited amounts.
The Const. reason was to help create more works.
It was designed to prevent people from selling others work.
It wasn't designed to prevent people from doing what they want with their own, including time-shifting and backing up, though of course those weren't thought of then.
Thomas Jefferson: "Just as a man could light his taper from an existing candle without diminishing the original flame, so, too, could he acquire an idea without diminishing the original source."
You could think that "stealing" the fire would make them need to use money to buy matches but that still doesn't affect his saying.
Now I am not completely against copyrights.
I do think that the current implementation is worse than having none at all but a better one would be to just penalize sellers and make the time [b]actually[/b] limited.
1e6 years is technically limited but I don't think they, the founding fathers, mean something like that.
No 70+ years. 10 is better.
I was thinking that the length should be related to how long it takes to promalgrate around.
Back in the 1700's it took decades. Now it takes seconds.
That means more people can access it sooner and decide if they want it.
For computer and movies it gets obsolete so quickly that even 5 might be reasonable.
Just remember that "Happy Birthday," "I have a Dream," and "Mein Kampf" are all copyrighten.
I want someone to do those in public to show how stupid the laws can be.
Especially since MLK jr. probably didn't want it to be private.
P.S. "it'sn't" is a contraction for "it is not"
P.P.S. I like using the word "property" because I get to quickely type the letters "e,r,t,y" which are next to each other.
I have a few differences.
First I would allow multiple planet systems.
If titan isn't a moon, but a planet of saturn I would rather call it a double planet system.
Second, size should matter, at least in some cases.
Otherwise a small speck of dust could be like a moon.
Third, I disagree with your "independently of what they orbit" remark.
I would like a moon to be changed to a planet when it stops orbiting somthing.
Fourth, what about rings versus asteroids?
Is the belt just rings of the sun?
Fifth, do rouge, no wait that's Mars, rogue planets exist?
Whether Ceres should be a planet I don't know, but I don't think is is spherical.
If there is no definition for a rogue planet then I will ignore the "suggestions."
Ignoring the fact that the theater is a private place, like a house, and can prevent anyone from entering if they so choose, it is law indirectly.
[end sarcasm]
Well I think, though you and the law and 300meg people probably disagree, is that they are a special type of property called commercial.
That means, again IMHO, that they do have to abide by special rules that don't exist for actual private places.
Non-discrimination is one.
They shouldn't be able to use age or color to allow certain people in.
I count it as indirect because if you want to see a movie in a commercial place they can kick you out and get the laws on their side to get the police.
Not seeing the movie/whatever, anyway, still makes it law.
Or as I say, "If you can pay, you can play."
Well I just made that one up but it means they can't deny you goods or services if you can buy them or aren't doing anything else illegal, which according to you isn't happening.
Dislaimer, I was born in the '70s.
If I want to see a movie that was made by a MPAA studio how do I do it?
Will they let you, an indie, whatever that means, show it?
Or do you have to abide by their rules to do so?
Will there be a way of keeping the current one?
I, being that I don't like change, would just want a profile option to allow either.
I don't think of it as theft; they didn't lose anything, except maybe, "value."
Yes it is a crime; but so is speeding.
It violates gov't endeared rights, not moral, according to some peoples opinions at least.
It's not clear to me.
It only counts as theft and a different set of repercussions if it is property, which I don't think.
And why is the fact that they don't lose something silly?
What is property?
Something that can be controled.
I can steal something, the usual means, and get control of it yet it is theft.
Do gov't laws affect the definition of peoperty?
Is air over your land property?
What about when it drifts to mine?
What about the tree planted on my yard that drops an apple into yours.
What if I make software, not looking at yours, and happen to make identical copies?
What if we made them at the same time?
Does the time we got to the patent office mean anything?
Yes it does hinder control of the IP.
I'll assume you mean not only profit for monetary gain but mental as well; such as fun.
The bathroom and telephone use electricty or water and hence the owner loses; as does the park.
The theater has two aspects, the air, floor, and prevention of others from using it, e.g. no chairs may be available.
It also has a similar "seeing for free" which has the same arguments as for IP.
If the rest of the reasons, you are right, work then it is their right to prevent testing.
If not then it isn't.
That doesn't affect the reason for "stealing."
You can only count corps as "people" if you can jail them. How can you jail a non-rational being?
Does jailing a computer mean anything?
I thing that since the Board of Directers are the ones that make the decision then they should be jailed if the company commits another crime.
Either that or remove the corp contract with the state and hence firing all people and making stockholders lose their investment.
Now I am of the idea, obviously you don't agree, that everyone owns everything, just like air.
The control of IP is from the gov't and not from some intrinsic right. Without, in America, that pesky clause in the Const., IP wouldn't exist.
And what of IP that has ownership lasped but the owner is still alive?
Are you against infringment of that?
Anything not mentioned I proably will agree with.
Hows about you post the relevent 1k or so.
I know I can't real legalese, or RFC-ese in this case.
In any case it is not clear to me.
I'm not happy on anything being forced.
I would only want it if it is like a suggestion.
It may not be as effective but I think it is better.
Forcing it would be like forcing Democrats or Repubs. on their own TLD. Or black people on their own.
[troll]
Oh wait those two types are good.
Pron=bad or possibly bad.
[/troll]
Just think, you could buy the mask used on /. for a sci-fi story.
Imagine reading Slashdot at work and having the rubber mask stare out at you with it's mouth wide open with the icon doing the same.
Airplane makers are gov't, to some extent, paid.
Boeing does much for the military.
At best they will require permits for even trying to learn flying. They can then limit that to "patriots."
Teachers will just get paid less and have to go into other careers. Or be ridiculed perhaps for being anti-gov't.
Gunmakers have the huge NRA so that will never happen. They might keep limiting types from machine guns to assualt to hand to rifle from felons to people who join the NRA and have been determined to be pro-gov't.
Most of these could be done by the slipperly slope method. Unless logic is also outlawed.
Unless the gov't decides what is wrong then it could be used that way.
Burglers' tools have a much more limited use and ownership so it is harder for the gov't to decide it's rightful use.
I don't agree with either that because of my libertarian tendencies though but that is besides the point.
In any case I equate that phrase to, "if you aren't doing anything wrong then the law shouldn't affect you."
I win.
My mouse is in fact made in China but the other three aren't.
My cell is from Korea.
My KB from the US.
MY PDA, which I don't use, it is old and really just for fun, is also the US.
I probably have many from Japan and Mexico as well.
Funny, right as I read that I heard birds chirping.
Not quite crickets but still.
One thing, he has pledged to uphold the Const. [b]all[/b] the time.
Not most of the time.
All you have to do is find [b]one[/b] instance of a wiretap or kidna^H^H^Harrest without one.
Of course the neocons, mostly, McCain isn't too bad, in Congress won't do it.
I would rather wait until the next Congress and have his friends removed to create a less amicable one.
I remember that. /..
Unfortunately I was drinking something right at the time I read your post. I almost spit just by reading
Doing something without have to make gobs of money!
That's not capitalist it's communist.
Commie!!
If only more people would, and could, thing like you.
Just put the Board in jail, etc.
The shareholders, except board ones, can elect a new board.
That way no one loses a job.
Well except for the executives.
Was it Airplain 2 that did that?
Useless there too.
But fun.
For some reason I can't understand that.
His basis is that he thinks youe have something.
Or at least it sounds like that.
This ignores embaressing stuff like nakedness which might be a godd reason.