Where in my posting was there anything whatsoever rempotely related to, or inferrable as, "out of sight, out of mind"?
Seriously, if you've realised you're wrong do be brave enough to admit it. Don't just throw out something random and hope to bluff your way out. It's undignified.
Ummm, dude, check the dictionary. What you describe there is criminal behaviour and/or lawlessness, but it is NOT terrorism. It is not even related to terrorism.
Don't worry though. You're far from the only one wanderring around screaming "Aiieeee! Terrorism!" everytime someone farts.
Include in their next EULAs that if you're part of any government or DOJ-like body you must dedicate 3 working hours per week to the cause of making it illegal to use anything other than Microsoft Certified browsers on Microsoft Certified OS's on Microsoft Certified hardware, connecting only through Microsoft Certified ISP's to access Microsoft Certified websites? As anything else is surrenderring to the terro...uhhh... Pirat... uhhh... Open sou.... Uhhh... Bill! Who's the enemy now?
They'll claim, and rightfully so, that the Chinese governemnt has no juristiction of the servers that are not in China.
Under US law maybe, but under Chinese law I believe (but, lacking the ability to read Chinese, cannot swear to it) the Chinese Government has the right to access any and all data regarding Chinese citizens (no matter where they or the data is at any given time).
While one see some frightful apathy under US and EU countries, people there are political attack hounds in comparison with the average Chinese person. Denial of power/water to a city might stir up social discontent, but not much else would. Actually given that due to state based carelessness (and a bungled cover up) a major city and multiple smaller towns went without any mains water for an extended period of time without significant protest I begin to wonder if even that would do it.
The thing is...
People resident in China have hundreds of small freedoms that folks in the US and EU don't, mostly due to a complete lack of anything along the lines of public liability. This goes some way to alleviating pressure that would otherwise be created by the big gaps where there's missing freedoms.
(NB: I have only experienced big city life in China. I know almost nothing of country life, but am told by multiple (verbal (and vocal)) sources that things are different out there. Different like indentured servitude and forced labour.)
The majority of those I can speak with (keep in mind this limits my data to those who can speak some English) don't care. As long as they can use QQ (horrenduously over cuteified IM system) to talk to their school and university acquaintances they don't really care too much for the rest of the world.
The minority are less cheerfull, but do not generally say that this censorship is wrong, or even harmfull. Rather they are irritated by their contemporaries who don't see that there is a world outside of China. I do get the impression that a restoration of access to wikipedia would placate the vast majority of this minority.
In my time here (coming up on 9 months now) I've met only one individual who is vocally anti-government-censorship (and other actions), and given that he's regaled me with an eyewitness account of a certain event in Beijing one day in 1989... well, he's pretty exceptional.
I'm not going to claim that everyone here is happy with everything (or even most of what) their govt does, or even that they are all quiet about it, but I'm given to understand by those who've been here longer that ever since policy was changed to allow criticism of government actions (though not of government policy or structure) the actual criticism and complaining has decreased significantly.
Just FYI, it's no secret here in China that net access is censored. The government makes no attempt to hide it. Rather they seem to go to some lengths to ensure everyone knows that net use is both censored and monitored.
I personally suspect that this is because they don't have the manpower to actually monitor every users activities and so hope to disuade folks from pushing the boundaries.
And when the CCP demands (and they will) that Google turn over all data hosted outside China regarding the activities of Chinese civilians, with the threat of the takedown (at least as far as access from China goes) of all Google activities censored or not?
My opinions begin to swing towards the side that hold that Google talking to CCP reps in the first place was a bad plan, that they should have just kept their heads high and walked on disregarding whether they got blocked or not.
Practising for a job in the Chinese government, are you?
Actually I just have a low tolerance for deliberate ignorance. The twit I corrected stated blatant falsehoods, probably through ignorance. He/She could have taken 30 seconds to research the claims. Hell, a simple googling would have sufficed. But no. The possibility that his/her preconceived biased opinion could be wrong never crossed his/her mind. (I'm going with the generic pronoun henceforth). So he just posted, making an ass of himself in public, and got called on it.
Oh, wait, that researchless twit was _You_! Qu'elle surprise!
Practising for a job in the Chinese government, are you?
Ooh, how witty. What a clever person you must be. But you forgot to mention my mother...
Actually I just have a low tolerance for deliberate ignorance. The twit I corrected stated blatant falsehoods, probably through ignorance. He/She could have taken 30 seconds to research the claims. Hell, a simple googling would have sufficed. But no. The possibility that his/her preconceived biased opinion could be wrong never crossed his/her mind. (I'm going with the generic pronoun henceforth). So he just posted, making an ass of himself in public, and got called on it. Unfortunately the ass also got modded up as plenty (thankfully not all) mods shared the same biases.
You need to shut up. You need to get some education. You need to know what you are talking about before you mouth off.
Otherwise you just make an ass of yourself.
China does indeed have aconstitution. In theory it has a very good constitution. Unfortunately most of the core clauses on freedoms and rights are terminated with the subclause : "...except where this would disturb the peace/breach social order/endanger the harmony of the state".
Next time first learn, then speak. Unless it's a question.
Of course, if you were living in china (which i suppose you aren't) the tanks would probably be censored out and be replaced with pictures of the google ceo and the emperor of china holding hands
I am. They aren't. The results from the two (.com and.cn) are effectively identical.
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My apologies. I was indeed. My bad.
Just followed the links in this thread to your flames rants and generally displayed ignorant behaviour on ubuntuforums.
If you spoke like that to paramedics after being run over you'd be rolled to the gutter and left there.
When you fork your first distro, think of an original and meaningul name, and have one of the MS big three curse you out in print.
If I must have government snipers on my hilltops I prefer they be competent. At least until I'm ready to dispose of them (snipers & govt together).
(I started that sentence as a hypothetical (woulds and weres) but felt it deserved to be present simple.)
> > That's the foundation of the USA, right? Copy, embrace and extend
> No, that's the foundation of Japan.
Actually, that would be copy, embrace, miniaturize.
Where in my posting was there anything whatsoever rempotely related to, or inferrable as, "out of sight, out of mind"?
Seriously, if you've realised you're wrong do be brave enough to admit it. Don't just throw out something random and hope to bluff your way out. It's undignified.
"people in a community" != "community".
and even if we allow that one
community (in the context used) != society
So, no, threatenning people in a community is not in and of itself a terrorist action.
Ummm, dude, check the dictionary. What you describe there is criminal behaviour and/or lawlessness, but it is NOT terrorism. It is not even related to terrorism.
Don't worry though. You're far from the only one wanderring around screaming "Aiieeee! Terrorism!" everytime someone farts.
And (at least in Europe) the megadrive (a localised Genesis) crushed the SNES utterly.
Include in their next EULAs that if you're part of any government or DOJ-like body you must dedicate 3 working hours per week to the cause of making it illegal to use anything other than Microsoft Certified browsers on Microsoft Certified OS's on Microsoft Certified hardware, connecting only through Microsoft Certified ISP's to access Microsoft Certified websites? As anything else is surrenderring to the terro...uhhh... Pirat... uhhh... Open sou.... Uhhh... Bill! Who's the enemy now?
Yeah, cos quoting Devo instantly makes a post worthy of a +27 Godlikely insightful. Pfft.
Why the hell would I want to help stupid people get more money, given that I don't plan to scam it away from them myself?
Every refund application that fails completely is one less bit of tax I have to pay (in theory).
The miscalculation on its state income taxes are liable by $32 million.
Ummm, guys, that is NOT how the English language works.
They'll claim, and rightfully so, that the Chinese governemnt has no juristiction of the servers that are not in China.
Under US law maybe, but under Chinese law I believe (but, lacking the ability to read Chinese, cannot swear to it) the Chinese Government has the right to access any and all data regarding Chinese citizens (no matter where they or the data is at any given time).
While one see some frightful apathy under US and EU countries, people there are political attack hounds in comparison with the average Chinese person. Denial of power/water to a city might stir up social discontent, but not much else would. Actually given that due to state based carelessness (and a bungled cover up) a major city and multiple smaller towns went without any mains water for an extended period of time without significant protest I begin to wonder if even that would do it.
The thing is...
People resident in China have hundreds of small freedoms that folks in the US and EU don't, mostly due to a complete lack of anything along the lines of public liability. This goes some way to alleviating pressure that would otherwise be created by the big gaps where there's missing freedoms.
(NB: I have only experienced big city life in China. I know almost nothing of country life, but am told by multiple (verbal (and vocal)) sources that things are different out there. Different like indentured servitude and forced labour.)
It's quite divided.
The majority of those I can speak with (keep in mind this limits my data to those who can speak some English) don't care. As long as they can use QQ (horrenduously over cuteified IM system) to talk to their school and university acquaintances they don't really care too much for the rest of the world.
The minority are less cheerfull, but do not generally say that this censorship is wrong, or even harmfull. Rather they are irritated by their contemporaries who don't see that there is a world outside of China. I do get the impression that a restoration of access to wikipedia would placate the vast majority of this minority.
In my time here (coming up on 9 months now) I've met only one individual who is vocally anti-government-censorship (and other actions), and given that he's regaled me with an eyewitness account of a certain event in Beijing one day in 1989... well, he's pretty exceptional.
I'm not going to claim that everyone here is happy with everything (or even most of what) their govt does, or even that they are all quiet about it, but I'm given to understand by those who've been here longer that ever since policy was changed to allow criticism of government actions (though not of government policy or structure) the actual criticism and complaining has decreased significantly.
Just FYI, it's no secret here in China that net access is censored. The government makes no attempt to hide it. Rather they seem to go to some lengths to ensure everyone knows that net use is both censored and monitored.
I personally suspect that this is because they don't have the manpower to actually monitor every users activities and so hope to disuade folks from pushing the boundaries.
And when the CCP demands (and they will) that Google turn over all data hosted outside China regarding the activities of Chinese civilians, with the threat of the takedown (at least as far as access from China goes) of all Google activities censored or not?
My opinions begin to swing towards the side that hold that Google talking to CCP reps in the first place was a bad plan, that they should have just kept their heads high and walked on disregarding whether they got blocked or not.
Well, that does take the fun out of it all somewhat, doesn't it?
I do apologise good sir for this frightful case of mistaken identity. I do also, however, stand by my comments prior to this shocking error.
My inner grammar nazi just imploded (after assisting with the suicide of my punctuation checker).
Not to say you don't have a point, but it's kind of hard to actually see it.
Practising for a job in the Chinese government, are you?
Actually I just have a low tolerance for deliberate ignorance. The twit I corrected stated blatant falsehoods, probably through ignorance. He/She could have taken 30 seconds to research the claims. Hell, a simple googling would have sufficed. But no. The possibility that his/her preconceived biased opinion could be wrong never crossed his/her mind. (I'm going with the generic pronoun henceforth). So he just posted, making an ass of himself in public, and got called on it.
Oh, wait, that researchless twit was _You_! Qu'elle surprise!
Practising for a job in the Chinese government, are you?
Ooh, how witty. What a clever person you must be. But you forgot to mention my mother...
Actually I just have a low tolerance for deliberate ignorance. The twit I corrected stated blatant falsehoods, probably through ignorance. He/She could have taken 30 seconds to research the claims. Hell, a simple googling would have sufficed. But no. The possibility that his/her preconceived biased opinion could be wrong never crossed his/her mind. (I'm going with the generic pronoun henceforth). So he just posted, making an ass of himself in public, and got called on it. Unfortunately the ass also got modded up as plenty (thankfully not all) mods shared the same biases.
China as far as I know has no constitution.
You need to shut up. You need to get some education. You need to know what you are talking about before you mouth off.
Otherwise you just make an ass of yourself.
China does indeed have aconstitution. In theory it has a very good constitution. Unfortunately most of the core clauses on freedoms and rights are terminated with the subclause : "...except where this would disturb the peace/breach social order/endanger the harmony of the state".
Next time first learn, then speak. Unless it's a question.
Self correction... Every time I go to .cn it redirects me directly to .com with the same search.
I do wonder why.
Self correction... Every time I go to .cn it redirects me directly to .com with the same search.
Of course, if you were living in china (which i suppose you aren't) the tanks would probably be censored out and be replaced with pictures of the google ceo and the emperor of china holding hands
.cn) are effectively identical.
I am. They aren't. The results from the two (.com and