If linux is trying to proposition itself to be successful desktop OS, why the hell should the end user have to know what GUI toolbox any particular app was written in? That's absurd.
What's your alternative solution to providing a wide range of choices to user's without requiring them to know what they are?
Near as I can tell, there's only one thing missing from the metaphor so far, so I'll gladly provide it.
All women sooner or later get hitched and wind up spending the rest of their lives with someone, and Slack is certainly no exception. Just like your first girlfriend is now screwing her brains out with some other dude, Slack will be, always. And like your first girlfriend, as a Slack installation gets older and more and more patched and updated and so forth, she will get bigger around the rear, stretch marks appearing in the most unlikely places. When you finally sit down and look over your life with your loving wife in your arms, you'll finally realize that the girl you loved so many years ago turned out to be just as bloated as all the rest of the girls you disdained along the way.
Welcome to Slack in retirement, where it turns out that it ain't nothin' special. Just another fucking woman.
People think you're crazy if you don't run Windows, that u're a fringe lunatic.
And then they do everything possible to make it happen. That shit sucks.
You know, I don't care much that the people around me have made their choices. I don't go over to their houses telling them their computers are shit, assembled by a bunch of college-kid-dope-smoking-non-programming-smelly-ra ts. But they come knocking on my door just to tell me that about my computer. I really don't understand it. Guess the Golden Rule only applies to those of us on the fringe, eh?
Look on the bright side, its not HP. I'm sure someone will shine some light on it eventually. Maybe future press releases will sparc some clues. But does it really matter? The sun will rise tommorrow and life will go on- even after SCO falls.
Mmmmmmmm, couldn't be, Mandrake, could it???????
Mmmm, no. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....................
I'll bet if I just think about it hard enough, I'll figure it out. Then it'll hit me, and I'll be an inferno of, of, well, inspiration, of course. A billion nuclear reactions will kick off in my head, and my eyes will be as bright as, um, well, a light bulb, of course, when I remember who you're talking about. And over a cup of coffee, I'll tell anyone who wants to know. But the coffee's on you. Out here in Seattle we make our own kind of coffee that does't look or taste quite the same as the kind of coffee they make in the rest of the world...
OK, I quit. I tried, but I don't think I topped the parent post.:(
Hmm, so I suppose running the speaker out back through to the line-in of the sound card and pressing 'record' in any sound recording program would be... too... tough... >_>
Why does it even have to be that hard? If you just stream the wma to wav will you get the same, better, or worse quality than if you do DAD, as you suggested? Streaming to wav is pretty easy....
Some on this thread have advocated just not buying the CD, but if I happen to really like the artist I have no alternative avenue for purchasing the content.
I read your entire post about your theoretical solution to this problem. Now how about presenting a practical solution that you can begin implementing right now?
I'm sorry (well, not really), but I just don't buy the whole idea that "if I happen to really like the artist I have no alternative avenue for purchasing the content." I don't like ANY artist enough to fund the RIAA with my hard-earned cash. I like ANY PERSON enough to do that. Change frequently comes with sacrifice. If you're not willing to make sacrifices to bring about a better good, then shut the fuck up.
Yeah, and then you take 15mins to pick up all the TINY little pieces of shattered plastic from all over the show. Remember kids, CDs do not just cleanly break into 2 pieces......
The last three AOL CD's I cracked broke cleanly into two pieces. I was *so* disappointed.
It has been 8 years since I have used a modem. I still laugh at NO CARRIER jokes and people who whistle 9600 baud connect tones.
I got a pretty good laugh when the Terminatrix used a cell phone and her voice to connect to SkyNet in T3.:) I thought "There's something wrong with this" but decided not to try to explain why it was fucked up 'cuase I'm pretty sick of technical explanations ruining otherwise known dumb action flicks.
I don't think that meets any of the above requirements for the typical home user.
Sure in the hell meets more of those requirements than Windows does. Lets see...
practical - Having to call Microsoft to activate your OS is very impractical. Having to wait on a vendor to provide (on their own schedule!) patches for security holes is very impractical
easy to use - Since this is subjective, I think it's safe to say that ALL OS'S ARE EASY TO USE.
fully installed, - Debian GNU/Linux has 10 (count 'em) installation CDs. That means it can definitely be more fully installed than Windows. In fact, with most Linux distributions you will get a greater variety of software installed than you get with Windows. Therefore, out of the box a user is much more likely to have all of the applications they need (and all of the ones they don't need) with Linux than with Windows.
basically idiot-proof - Considering how many idiots' broken Windows installations I've fixed, I'd have to say that Linux wins this one hands down.
and very, very cool - What's cooler than Penguins? I mean, really, they fucking live in Antarctica!
If I wanted one, where (preferably in Canada) could I get one, how much should I expect to spend, and how long should it take me to get used to it, considering I've been using a QWERTY for close to 9 years?
Simple. Google for something to give you a Dvorak layout. Then take out all of the keys on your qwerty keyboard and replace them in the Dvorak setup. Then change your OS keyboard layout to Dvorak. It's really not *that* hard.
NOt to mention that GCC now has optimizations for processors not even built yet!:) Well, there are limits to what you can do with a compile-your-own OS.
My point was that the OP's compaint was irrelevant, and is actually anti-progress. If you run around whining about not having any applications for this new processor, you won't move to the new processing platform. If nobody moves to the new processing platform, developers won't write any applications. It's a chicken and egg problem that was solved years ago, and in general was solved thousands of years ago. So the OP whining about this problem is not in any way contributing to the discussion, and is actually encouraging people to not even bother trying new technology until "somebody else" sets everything up for you nice and perfectly.
As another poster pointed out, people use that same argument for not switching to Linux, forgetting that Windows wasn't always #1. Those same people probly jumped on the patriot bandwagon, because that's all they fucking are is a bandwagon. Fuck the bandwagon and send the herd to the slaughterhouse.
but if there are no apps there to support 64bit, its power is wasted.
But if there's no 64bit platform, there can't be apps! But if there's no apps, the power is wasted! But if there's no 64bit platform, there can't be apps! AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH! When does it end?
THat's quite a chicken and egg problem you've got. I suggest you roast the chicken.
For what it's worth, next time I have modpoints I'm using every single one of them to mod down any of these I see. I suggest anyone else feeling the same do so as well. At least the soviet russia jokes were at times clever, the overlord jokes could be produced with a tiny script and are just annoying. Ironically, the hitchikers overlord joke is the first one I've seen that required any actual thought at all...and so of course it's not been rated up while the script-like one is +5.
I, for one, welcome our new Modding-down-without-a-sense-of-humor Overlords!
Yeah, I still love SOD myself. Had a cassette of theirs at some point, ehich qualifies me for a free MP3 download of their album. (I think they only had one...had like 20 songs on it)
They had two, for awhile anyway. Speak English or Die, then Live at Budokan. A few years back, though, they got back together and made Bigger than the Devil.
Man, those were the days. Pre-Anthrax, rofl.
Actually, iirc, they recorded the original SOD tape with extra studio time they had left during Among the Living. It may have been Spreading the Disease. IN any case, Anthrax had already put out 3 albums (well, 1 ep, 1 album, and working on another) when they did the first SOD tape.
I get a kick out of singing Speak English or Die, though. You come into this country, you take upo all our jobs. Boats and boats and boats of you go home you fuckin' slobs. heh.
But man, they were like prescient. I think George W. Bush took them a little too seriously, man. "Fuck the middle east, there's too many problems. They just get in the way, we can sure live without 'em. They hijack our planes, and raise our oil prices. Let's kill them all and have a ball and end their fuckin' crisis." Heh. Except that I think they wrote that song when the Libya thing was going on.
YOu should be virutally guaranteed to find them on WinMX right now, since I'm logged in.;)
This is all fine and good, but the machines that "decoded" the human genome were performing a simple task really and did not require much in the way of alternative paths or any complex programming. For simple tasks or projects, yes VB is pretty handy. For other tasks, or requirements that may need a bit more complex programming, VB will not cut it.
Shit like that is just misinformation, or something like that. Not what you said, what greenspun said. Just because his fucking system can decode the human genome does not mean that it will suitably deliver my e-commerce store to 10,000 visitors daily. Apples and human genomes. Qualifying for one job doesn't mean it qualifies for another. I've got a friend who can screw and unscrew all day long, but I wouldn't give him a ratchet and tell him to go fix my car. Why? Just because he can drive a screw doesn't mean he can turn my crank.
Yes, and they're also compensating for size. Instead of a small penis, they're trying to compensate for the feeling of inferiority or lack of power that they have as a woman, by driving a huge vehicle that they can intimidate others with, something they cannot do in person. (I'm not saying women are inferior, just that these particular women feel this way.)
Hmmm, maybe they're driving and SUV because their little-dick husbands bought it for them?
That said, I drive a little Corolla, and I ain't afraid of no SUV out there. Quite simple, I can outmaneuver them on any surface I'm likely to be driving on. I'll lead them into a wall before they ever scratch my car.
An old man driving a Miata is definitely not compensating for a small penis; those cars are sooo small, are not particularly powerful (140 HP compared to the Corvette's ~350), and would be easily crushed by a soccer mom's SUV. I think this is more of a case of an old man wanting to drive a fun car, which is something he didn't get to do when he was young because he was too poor then.
True, but that Miatta does for the old man what Viagra cannot do.
This, and this alone, is why he likens Java to SUVs, because of the metaphorical holier-than-thou driver, who buys into a $100k Hummer because supposedly it can handle hardcore 4x4ing, but in reality knows it's only driving to Bed, Bath, and Beyond and back. Personally, I'm not often a detractor of Java, but I have worked a good deal with Perl for such things, and in this respect: I agree with him.
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If linux is trying to proposition itself to be successful desktop OS, why the hell should the end user have to know what GUI toolbox any particular app was written in? That's absurd.
What's your alternative solution to providing a wide range of choices to user's without requiring them to know what they are?
Have I beaten your metaphor into the ground yet?
Near as I can tell, there's only one thing missing from the metaphor so far, so I'll gladly provide it.
All women sooner or later get hitched and wind up spending the rest of their lives with someone, and Slack is certainly no exception. Just like your first girlfriend is now screwing her brains out with some other dude, Slack will be, always. And like your first girlfriend, as a Slack installation gets older and more and more patched and updated and so forth, she will get bigger around the rear, stretch marks appearing in the most unlikely places. When you finally sit down and look over your life with your loving wife in your arms, you'll finally realize that the girl you loved so many years ago turned out to be just as bloated as all the rest of the girls you disdained along the way.
Welcome to Slack in retirement, where it turns out that it ain't nothin' special. Just another fucking woman.
People think you're crazy if you don't run Windows, that u're a fringe lunatic.
And then they do everything possible to make it happen. That shit sucks.
You know, I don't care much that the people around me have made their choices. I don't go over to their houses telling them their computers are shit, assembled by a bunch of college-kid-dope-smoking-non-programming-smelly-ra ts. But they come knocking on my door just to tell me that about my computer. I really don't understand it. Guess the Golden Rule only applies to those of us on the fringe, eh?
Look on the bright side, its not HP. I'm sure someone will shine some light on it eventually. Maybe future press releases will sparc some clues. But does it really matter? The sun will rise tommorrow and life will go on- even after SCO falls.
Mmmmmmmm, couldn't be, Mandrake, could it???????
Mmmm, no. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....................
I'll bet if I just think about it hard enough, I'll figure it out. Then it'll hit me, and I'll be an inferno of, of, well, inspiration, of course. A billion nuclear reactions will kick off in my head, and my eyes will be as bright as, um, well, a light bulb, of course, when I remember who you're talking about. And over a cup of coffee, I'll tell anyone who wants to know. But the coffee's on you. Out here in Seattle we make our own kind of coffee that does't look or taste quite the same as the kind of coffee they make in the rest of the world...
OK, I quit. I tried, but I don't think I topped the parent post. :(
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Bad spelling and grammar, fool. This got moderated "Informative?"
its not encrypted at all. Se the above sim million of so post on error checing in CD-rom and car CD player for more info.
The CD may not be encrypted, but your post sure in the hell was.
Hmm, so I suppose running the speaker out back through to the line-in of the sound card and pressing 'record' in any sound recording program would be... too... tough... >_>
Why does it even have to be that hard? If you just stream the wma to wav will you get the same, better, or worse quality than if you do DAD, as you suggested? Streaming to wav is pretty easy....
Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
Did you hear about the latest invasion? Peen Isle has invaded Uranus.
thank dog that stuff doesn't just automaticly install itself into linux.
RedHate 9 will autorun CDs. I was so pissed when it did it to me. In fact, that's the reason I decided not to change from Mandrake to Redhate. :)
Some on this thread have advocated just not buying the CD, but if I happen to really like the artist I have no alternative avenue for purchasing the content.
I read your entire post about your theoretical solution to this problem. Now how about presenting a practical solution that you can begin implementing right now?
I'm sorry (well, not really), but I just don't buy the whole idea that "if I happen to really like the artist I have no alternative avenue for purchasing the content." I don't like ANY artist enough to fund the RIAA with my hard-earned cash. I like ANY PERSON enough to do that. Change frequently comes with sacrifice. If you're not willing to make sacrifices to bring about a better good, then shut the fuck up.
Yeah, and then you take 15mins to pick up all the TINY little pieces of shattered plastic from all over the show. Remember kids, CDs do not just cleanly break into 2 pieces......
The last three AOL CD's I cracked broke cleanly into two pieces. I was *so* disappointed.
It has been 8 years since I have used a modem. I still laugh at NO CARRIER jokes and people who whistle 9600 baud connect tones.
I got a pretty good laugh when the Terminatrix used a cell phone and her voice to connect to SkyNet in T3. :) I thought "There's something wrong with this" but decided not to try to explain why it was fucked up 'cuase I'm pretty sick of technical explanations ruining otherwise known dumb action flicks.
and the breasts go bouncing, b-eautiful
Seriously, skipping commercials is not always great!
Seriously, dude, you need to get laid.
I don't think that meets any of the above requirements for the typical home user.
Sure in the hell meets more of those requirements than Windows does. Lets see...
Need any other reasons to use LInux over windows?
If I wanted one, where (preferably in Canada) could I get one, how much should I expect to spend, and how long should it take me to get used to it, considering I've been using a QWERTY for close to 9 years?
Simple. Google for something to give you a Dvorak layout. Then take out all of the keys on your qwerty keyboard and replace them in the Dvorak setup. Then change your OS keyboard layout to Dvorak. It's really not *that* hard.
With an OS where you can compile your own apps.
NOt to mention that GCC now has optimizations for processors not even built yet! :) Well, there are limits to what you can do with a compile-your-own OS.
My point was that the OP's compaint was irrelevant, and is actually anti-progress. If you run around whining about not having any applications for this new processor, you won't move to the new processing platform. If nobody moves to the new processing platform, developers won't write any applications. It's a chicken and egg problem that was solved years ago, and in general was solved thousands of years ago. So the OP whining about this problem is not in any way contributing to the discussion, and is actually encouraging people to not even bother trying new technology until "somebody else" sets everything up for you nice and perfectly.
As another poster pointed out, people use that same argument for not switching to Linux, forgetting that Windows wasn't always #1. Those same people probly jumped on the patriot bandwagon, because that's all they fucking are is a bandwagon. Fuck the bandwagon and send the herd to the slaughterhouse.
but if there are no apps there to support 64bit, its power is wasted.
But if there's no 64bit platform, there can't be apps! But if there's no apps, the power is wasted! But if there's no 64bit platform, there can't be apps! AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH! When does it end?
THat's quite a chicken and egg problem you've got. I suggest you roast the chicken.
For what it's worth, next time I have modpoints I'm using every single one of them to mod down any of these I see. I suggest anyone else feeling the same do so as well. At least the soviet russia jokes were at times clever, the overlord jokes could be produced with a tiny script and are just annoying. Ironically, the hitchikers overlord joke is the first one I've seen that required any actual thought at all...and so of course it's not been rated up while the script-like one is +5.
I, for one, welcome our new Modding-down-without-a-sense-of-humor Overlords!
I, for one, welcome our new Methuselah Mouse overlords.
I, for one, welcome our new Occam's Death Ray overlords.
Yeah, I still love SOD myself. Had a cassette of theirs at some point, ehich qualifies me for a free MP3 download of their album. (I think they only had one...had like 20 songs on it)
They had two, for awhile anyway. Speak English or Die, then Live at Budokan. A few years back, though, they got back together and made Bigger than the Devil.
Man, those were the days. Pre-Anthrax, rofl.
Actually, iirc, they recorded the original SOD tape with extra studio time they had left during Among the Living. It may have been Spreading the Disease. IN any case, Anthrax had already put out 3 albums (well, 1 ep, 1 album, and working on another) when they did the first SOD tape.
I get a kick out of singing Speak English or Die, though. You come into this country, you take upo all our jobs. Boats and boats and boats of you go home you fuckin' slobs. heh.
But man, they were like prescient. I think George W. Bush took them a little too seriously, man. "Fuck the middle east, there's too many problems. They just get in the way, we can sure live without 'em. They hijack our planes, and raise our oil prices. Let's kill them all and have a ball and end their fuckin' crisis." Heh. Except that I think they wrote that song when the Libya thing was going on.
YOu should be virutally guaranteed to find them on WinMX right now, since I'm logged in. ;)
Fly away on a fluffy, comfy cloud (use Lisp).
Go pith up a three aththhole. Lithp thuckth.
This is all fine and good, but the machines that "decoded" the human genome were performing a simple task really and did not require much in the way of alternative paths or any complex programming. For simple tasks or projects, yes VB is pretty handy. For other tasks, or requirements that may need a bit more complex programming, VB will not cut it.
Shit like that is just misinformation, or something like that. Not what you said, what greenspun said. Just because his fucking system can decode the human genome does not mean that it will suitably deliver my e-commerce store to 10,000 visitors daily. Apples and human genomes. Qualifying for one job doesn't mean it qualifies for another. I've got a friend who can screw and unscrew all day long, but I wouldn't give him a ratchet and tell him to go fix my car. Why? Just because he can drive a screw doesn't mean he can turn my crank.
Yes, and they're also compensating for size. Instead of a small penis, they're trying to compensate for the feeling of inferiority or lack of power that they have as a woman, by driving a huge vehicle that they can intimidate others with, something they cannot do in person. (I'm not saying women are inferior, just that these particular women feel this way.)
Hmmm, maybe they're driving and SUV because their little-dick husbands bought it for them?
That said, I drive a little Corolla, and I ain't afraid of no SUV out there. Quite simple, I can outmaneuver them on any surface I'm likely to be driving on. I'll lead them into a wall before they ever scratch my car.
An old man driving a Miata is definitely not compensating for a small penis; those cars are sooo small, are not particularly powerful (140 HP compared to the Corvette's ~350), and would be easily crushed by a soccer mom's SUV. I think this is more of a case of an old man wanting to drive a fun car, which is something he didn't get to do when he was young because he was too poor then.
True, but that Miatta does for the old man what Viagra cannot do.
This, and this alone, is why he likens Java to SUVs, because of the metaphorical holier-than-thou driver, who buys into a $100k Hummer because supposedly it can handle hardcore 4x4ing, but in reality knows it's only driving to Bed, Bath, and Beyond and back. Personally, I'm not often a detractor of Java, but I have worked a good deal with Perl for such things, and in this respect: I agree with him.
This is the only reason to code in Java.