As well, the same data will flow to other mayors and perhaps they'll obtain the same results by acting on it. The "strong message" has other audiences.
Higher productivity really does drive useful technology faster.
Yeah, I can suuuuure see that "useful" stuff flowing into the hands of the wealthy or the seriously-stupid indebted middle class.
Get over yourself. What's happening now is not expanding the franchise of the middle class, which was the very engine of the modern First World nation. Productivity gains are being essentially stolen across the board just to mint a few more millionaires. The middle class is tolerating this economic rape purely due to the stupidity of believing that THAT franchise will be expanded to include them. That's why I call these indebted-to-the-eyeballs middle classed idiots "pre-rich". Why else would they be "buying" $500K homes?
Once they come to understand that they aren't rich, and as well will never BE rich, then perhaps they'll return to taxing wealth and corporations again. It may be a long walk from under the bridge to the polls, but they'll eventually get there. (Stupid fucks.)
Travoltus, you should just point out to these guys that:
You can't eat paper or electrons.
They are lost in the worship of the uberwealth provided by Hypercapitalism. The dupes, rubes and morons will continue accumulating paper and electrons as if keeping score exclusively mattered in the long run. And then they will find that you can't eat stock certificates or a website.
The hidden part of "maximise shareholder returns" is that often companies create an instantaneous appearance of high returns by immoral, even illegal, and assuredly stupid and unsustainable acts. This is done to increase stock price primarily, and to create confidence secondarily. The elite and insiders can then cash out on the temporary condition.
Later, reality must assert itself and bad things happen, up to even ferocious legal actions and bankruptcy.
Hence, the assertion of the primacy of "maximise shareholder returns" contains a hidden bomb that is exploding far too often.
I found the rest of your posting particularly cogent. Good analysis.
Your claims of a poor employment situation are pure fantasy.
In places like Boston, LA and NYC for yuppies only, these claims probably are. In many, many more places like where I live (Toledo OH), these claims are too optimistic. The employment situation within a 100 mile radius is less than dismal -- it's APPALLING.
America is creating Third World areas within itself in a wholesale attempt to cash out the middle class to mint another financial-based millionaire an hour. This trend has well been noticed in those areas that the yuppies thought they'd be protected from it in. But there's no protection from insatiable greed. There's no safe harbor... not even in the cities.
People have grown used to both parents working to rent a home they can never actually own. This is EXACTLY what Jefferson warned us about when he said we'd "wake up slaves on the continent our fathers conquered". The Third Worlding of America is going to hit the White Collars as universally and severely as it hit the Blue Collars.
And that simply means they're coming to toss your stupid ass into slavery too. It may not be happening to you now, or within 5 years. But if you're in your 30s then you're going to get hit eventually. All of us working class are on the chopping block. And if they cannot trivialize our income, they will damned certain crush us with all the taxation that the wealthy and corporate escape as a matter of course.
Read the books "Perfectly Legal" and "When Corporations Rule the World". Come back when you finally fucking understand ANYTHING real (instead of the childish Republican propaganda you're spouting).
OP: "Socialized medicine spreads out the cost of medicine."
You: "So does private insurance [...]"
Me: NO... private insurance (note: there really is no such thing in the USA by means of "legislative mandates" and "self insurance") removes all risk factors possible within and often exceeding the boundaries of law and morality. PI's purpose is to pay out as little as possible (ideally, nothing) while collecting from as many qualifying people as possible (ideally, every person who acts safely, is not in threat zones and risky populations, and has no existing conditions).
Socialized medicine's goal is to pay out to all who need it and to collect from everyone. THAT is a spread. But PI is now all about avoiding payouts by continual machinations against the policy holders... often invoking a routine dare against policy holders to enforce the terms of the policy by means of legal action. (If I had received a dollar for every time I heard somebody say "... and then I had to get a lawyer to get my insurance company to pay my claim", I'd be my own self-insurance company.)
Even so, I'm much in favor of eliminating the legislative mandates placed upon insurance, and instead retain only the government power to ensure fairness and enforcement in contracts. The "mandate" mess created a great demand for self insurance... which in itself is a great weakness for the workers who are subject to them, since the self-insurers are completely flip-flopping away from providing adequate coverage.
That's good advice, but since the "offices" of IT folks are historically jammed into attics and basements (just to get the smelly little hippies away from the stuffed shirts offended by them), you tend to find 110V being the common power offering... which is kind of strange since in may corporate basements you can certainly find 240 and 208-3P. {shrug}
I'd have to say that we're already competing just fine [for socialized medicine] with countries like Canada and Sweden.
Yes, I agree, if your definition of "compete" means that the auto capital of North America moved from Detriot to Toronto.
Of course, Canada IS finding itself a bit squeezed as its corporations are now demanding the same level of non-responsibility as America's corporations have so rampantly enjoyed. So all that national revenue share from taxing corporations is probably going to collapse as severely as it has in the United States. Then socialized medicine will fail in Canada due to defunding.
Health Care for Workers: Overall, it's being killed off in the First World. It will probably just die later in Canada than in the USA.
Have you ever actually opened an RTF file in a text editor?
I have. It IS a bit of a mess. I haven't looked at complicated RTF documents either. But what I've seen so far seems only slightly more of a mess than XML.
Also, XML is more immediately understandable. You have to study RTF a while before you get the hang of it. I've had to do a few direct RTF edits in my working life to remove some offending crap that DOC-RTF translation produced.
Yeah, well I well recall when various competitors did so -- particularly about the link between MSIE and the OS -- hence were branded as Socialistic nanny-state anti-competition pinkos.
Considering the administration in power, any such complaint will receive at least triple the negative response. There really is no way to force Microsoft to do anything anymore. They can squash anyone they please with all their monopolist power.
... except Linux, but with the continued subversion of the US patent process by corporations, they'll eventually be able to repress that too. Sure, they'll cross-license with companies like IBM, but Mr Torvalds will find that he'll no longer own his own OS any more. If MS cannot kill Linux with copyrights, they can cripple it with patents.
There's a simple formula, too, for figuring that out:
Figure how many inches of bench length you have.
Figure 1 outlet per inch.
Multiply by 3 for top, middle and bottom mounts.
Multiply by 10 just in case.
More seriously, and almost literally, you cannot have enough power outlets. People who provide techie areas just don't friggin' understand that one. We need DOZENS AND DOZENS of power outlets. We can consume a good 12-24 per 6FT of bench.
KVMs help reduce that need, but with outlets being a buck each or less, in bulk, then why skimp?
P.S. 20-30 outlets per 6FT of bench seems like a good rule-of-thumb for the techie.
I can only expand the general suspicion. It's not just the horoscope existing in the newspaper. It's the whole set of of things... like the size of the sports section, the prevalence of "entertainment" as news, and the progression of unsupported (and mostly religious) doctrine in political arenas.
We are definitely entering a Dark Age of the West, presided over by a certain monied elite in America. This may not be a Dark Age for much of civilized Humanity, however. I'm pretty sure that a civilization collapse in much of North America will have little basic effect upon the 1.2B Chinese. Like the Soviet collapse, America is probably going to sink into economic despondency that will weaken its military to the point that it cannot even manage a bombardment of China, even if it wanted to.
Isaac Newton was a firm believer in alchemy. Strangely, he still managed to do good science.
Why? Was alchemy mutually exclusive from good science in that age, when physics was known as "natural philosophy"?
Newton was certainly inquisitive, and rigorously so. The state of the sciences in general was particularly individualistic. In effect, the curiosity, time and equipment of people like Newton in that age WAS the very structure of science itself. So his interest in Alchemy is nothing to discredit his mindset. We now know that Alchemy is bullshit... from the efforts of people like him.
Note that this is different than SUSPECTING that Alchemy was bullshit, as was the case in his age. Their suspicions have become our certainties. Thus Mankind's knowledge progresses.
Well, teacher, get off your high horse. The guy is plainly trying to point out that stereotypes arise due to forces, and you are only assuming those forces are invalid. Those forces have a very minor form of validity already merely by existing (somewhat on the order that "we should respect the opinions of others even if they are rancid").
I agree with the OP. Stereotypes exist for a reasons. It is our duty as informed people to find out what those reasons are. ONLY THEN can we start judging correctly that bigotry is occurring.
There is no reason to act unprofessionally even if they deserve it.
Their unprofessionalism must not go unpunished, or it will grow. The IT industry is now rife with unprofessional behavior on the employer side, and it has grown in part due to the desperation and meekness of the workers.
Being an employer doesn't exempt you from the law, from paying taxes, or from treating people with respect. When the latter raises its nasty head, it should be attacked. Such an attack may seem unprofessional itself, but that's the price to be paid for waging ECONOMIC WARFARE.
In a war, you have the language of war. That's something the rational man should expect.
Burning a bridge with a pack of arseholes on the other side is the very definition of sense. Let the arseholes be corralled onto an island that few people seek to swim to, since ALL the bridges will be down. Their isolation will be their punishment. The employee market will speak.
Perhaps I should have made it clear that if Jesus was standing on a street corner in one of Toledo's more affluent neighborhoods, he'd be jacked up. "Rather" fair skin means DARK skin, any way you cut it for the New Racism of today.
If I had received a dime for each time I heard the phrase "sand nigger" around here, I'd be able to afford to move to a REAL civilization (like Switzerland).
So much for Aryan ancestry. The local yokels who poured into recruiter offices across Ohio hardly know such distinctions.
What? Now we're supposed to notice a correlation to the oil industry's profits, and the election of an oil clan into high public offices?
Jeebus! I can barely keep track of which WB show I need to watch tonight! How will I find the mental space to notice that the Bush Family is heavily involved in oil?
"Energy bill"? When did THAT happen? Why don't people tell me these things on Fox News? {curls into fetal position with portable DVD player}
Gad, man! Do you realize that you've suddenly solved the problem of where to put the New Orleans refugees?
After all, my newspaper just informed me today that 126 hurricane refugees showed up in my city, Toledo... which already has many 1000s of poor Blacks. It only stands to reason that the Bush Administration is probably seriously thinking about moving refugees to another poor area under US control with a dark-skinned population... hence Iraq.
BRILLIANT! As the OP said, the TLD for Iraq should be *.iq.us. Anything else just wouldn't be honest.
[...] we tend to find something we like the look of, check the licence, see that for whatever reason we can't use it in this instance, shrug, and move on.
EXACTLY! You're honoring the property rights of others like you want your own property right honored! Good boy!
Ad hominem?
That must be Latin for "the truth hurts". I noted that you avoided addressing the truth. Keep pretending nothing's wrong, chump, and one day a rifle bullet will bring some of that reality back to you. You can run a society when most things are owned by the least numbers of people whose only ownership authorization is a lousy piece of paper in some vault in a downtown courthouse.
If you want us shitbag commercial programmers to respect your rights, then you dirty beatniks have to respect ours - a little less name calling would be a good place to start. Deal?
You aren't making a deal here since I've done nothing wrong (yes, even when I gleefully wipe your commercial crap off my HDD and replace it with OSS crap). It's your corporate culture that's trembling on the brink of doing things wrong.
If you want to be labelled a shitbag like your bosses, then that's either your honesty or your mistake.
Your corporate masters are almost uniformly uncaught financial criminals, and we are down to the choices of either jailing them under the law or shooting them to death outside it. It's long since time for you to choose, bunky.
And grow a fucking thicker skin, asshole. It's not about my opinion or my words; property rights are the law. The first time you grab some OSS software and make use of it outside the license like a dirty little capitalist scum, you're going to face prosecution. You'll find even the elitist shibags on the bench are STILL caught by the definitions of property rights. You can try to schmooze up to them by calling people like me dirty beatnik hippie Democrat pinkos, but the facts will be clearly against you.
Use OSS outside the license terms, and you'll end up in court. THAT works as well as when I dare to resell copyrighted works. What's good for the goose is damn well going to be good for the gander. Heck, even better: a scumbag copying XP in his basement is almost undetectable, but when TimC's Software, Inc. does it, it's ass-fucking time in court. Kind of like economy of scale, eh?
But it is amusing watching the corporate twits like you twist upon the hook of legality. I just love it. You yuppie shitheels think you own the world, and then your own legal system rips your asses apart in a spray of blood when you cross all kinds of lines in all your perverted arrogance.
I hear ya momma callin' ya, boy. Time to write another suckwad app for her and rip off the consumer for another hundred bucks. Har har! It's hard to compete with free! HAW HAW!
Providing source for a "software component" is useless since you cannot make changes and then recompile. The GPL aims to make a suite of software "components" changeable and then runnable in whatever they're embedded in. The viral nature is necessary.
Corporate environments can still choose to avoid OSS. But badmouthing the GPL is pointless. It's all about property rights, and if you don't like the rights, then write your own. OOPS! -- that takes development money. Hmm! I smell corporate motivation.
So perhaps you were full of bullshit after all. Corporate America is creeping up on OSS for precisely that reason (remember the Hypercapitalist definition I gave?), and there are going to be some significant court battles over property rights.
Got some news for ya, bud. A trade secret is a secret, and all secrets require dutiful work to maintain them. Using public software (under things like the GPL) is NOT an act of secrecy. These are fundamentally incompatible... kind of like the mismatch between demanding pay for your services or products, or offering them for free via volunteering.
The GPL is hardly usable for the class of people who like to keep secrets. Strangely enough, they can still keep their secrets. But if they want to use the property of another, they have to abide by the terms of the property owner. So it all boils down to people wanting the things that they summarily deny to others. And that's not particularly politics -- that's culture.
In the world of the Hypercapitalist:
"What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine.
Thankfully, we out-number these sociopaths.
I really enjoy the idea of the trade-secret crowd salivating over OSS. After all, it's all about property rights, and that crowd of shitbags is allgedly 110% behind the idea of property rights, correct? Or are they all about stealing all the commonwealth for themselves while the rest of us starve and labor like slaves? Yes, I think that it's the latter case, too.
The GPL is perfectly usable tool for those who want to protect their property rights. PERIOD. So what's good for the goose is now good for the gander. Too bad for the capitalist thieves, boo-fuckin'-hoo. Property rights are not exclusive to corporations.
So, what, PayPal should have overextended itself with growth so that it would have ended up just another crashed dotcom?
Get over yourself. PayPal is THE online payment system. Making yourself a market leader is nothing to criticize. (Now, their business ethics -- THOSE are things to criticize.)
There's still plenty of margin for PayPal to low-bid their way into a lot of common commerce -- however established -- as long as they are willing to outsource and offshore in order to trim costs within razor-thin margins. Again, considering PayPal's business ethics, this seems all too likely.
If you continue to define "success" in such a fashion, then you're simply a horrible person, and the rest of us are taking down your name (figuratively speaking). Don't think that just because some sharp crooks are making bank now on public lassitude, that that's going to last, or that you're the next slimeball to ascend the 15-minute wealth throne.
Fucking people over is not success. We who do NOT fuck people over, are NOT inferior. Your propaganda and shitbag morality probably fly far on Wall Street and Fox News, but the Rest Of Us know the score.
And I'm armed. So you continue such policies to your personal peril. And yes, I AM threatening you. I fully expect to be shooting dupes and rubes like you to death within 20 years in America's now inevitable civil war. Free men can only tolerate so many scumbags doing only so much damage behind the scenes, before locking-and-loading on the perpetrators of criminal acts. Take a good look at New Orleans right now to see what YOUR future will be like. N.O. is the future that your me-me-me philosophy is purchasing. DUH!
If your IT folks are only the recipients of a sight-unseen stream of candidates from the HR dept, it's a wonder your IT manager hasn't come into work with a rifle by now.
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As well, the same data will flow to other mayors and perhaps they'll obtain the same results by acting on it. The "strong message" has other audiences.
Or are populists just invisible to you?
Higher productivity really does drive useful technology faster.
Yeah, I can suuuuure see that "useful" stuff flowing into the hands of the wealthy or the seriously-stupid indebted middle class.
Get over yourself. What's happening now is not expanding the franchise of the middle class, which was the very engine of the modern First World nation. Productivity gains are being essentially stolen across the board just to mint a few more millionaires. The middle class is tolerating this economic rape purely due to the stupidity of believing that THAT franchise will be expanded to include them. That's why I call these indebted-to-the-eyeballs middle classed idiots "pre-rich". Why else would they be "buying" $500K homes?
Once they come to understand that they aren't rich, and as well will never BE rich, then perhaps they'll return to taxing wealth and corporations again. It may be a long walk from under the bridge to the polls, but they'll eventually get there. (Stupid fucks.)
Travoltus, you should just point out to these guys that:
You can't eat paper or electrons.
They are lost in the worship of the uberwealth provided by Hypercapitalism. The dupes, rubes and morons will continue accumulating paper and electrons as if keeping score exclusively mattered in the long run. And then they will find that you can't eat stock certificates or a website.
Sad, really.
The hidden part of "maximise shareholder returns" is that often companies create an instantaneous appearance of high returns by immoral, even illegal, and assuredly stupid and unsustainable acts. This is done to increase stock price primarily, and to create confidence secondarily. The elite and insiders can then cash out on the temporary condition.
Later, reality must assert itself and bad things happen, up to even ferocious legal actions and bankruptcy.
Hence, the assertion of the primacy of "maximise shareholder returns" contains a hidden bomb that is exploding far too often.
I found the rest of your posting particularly cogent. Good analysis.
Your claims of a poor employment situation are pure fantasy.
... not even in the cities.
In places like Boston, LA and NYC for yuppies only, these claims probably are. In many, many more places like where I live (Toledo OH), these claims are too optimistic. The employment situation within a 100 mile radius is less than dismal -- it's APPALLING.
America is creating Third World areas within itself in a wholesale attempt to cash out the middle class to mint another financial-based millionaire an hour. This trend has well been noticed in those areas that the yuppies thought they'd be protected from it in. But there's no protection from insatiable greed. There's no safe harbor
People have grown used to both parents working to rent a home they can never actually own. This is EXACTLY what Jefferson warned us about when he said we'd "wake up slaves on the continent our fathers conquered". The Third Worlding of America is going to hit the White Collars as universally and severely as it hit the Blue Collars.
And that simply means they're coming to toss your stupid ass into slavery too. It may not be happening to you now, or within 5 years. But if you're in your 30s then you're going to get hit eventually. All of us working class are on the chopping block. And if they cannot trivialize our income, they will damned certain crush us with all the taxation that the wealthy and corporate escape as a matter of course.
Read the books "Perfectly Legal" and "When Corporations Rule the World". Come back when you finally fucking understand ANYTHING real (instead of the childish Republican propaganda you're spouting).
OP: "Socialized medicine spreads out the cost of medicine."
... private insurance (note: there really is no such thing in the USA by means of "legislative mandates" and "self insurance") removes all risk factors possible within and often exceeding the boundaries of law and morality. PI's purpose is to pay out as little as possible (ideally, nothing) while collecting from as many qualifying people as possible (ideally, every person who acts safely, is not in threat zones and risky populations, and has no existing conditions).
... often invoking a routine dare against policy holders to enforce the terms of the policy by means of legal action. (If I had received a dollar for every time I heard somebody say "... and then I had to get a lawyer to get my insurance company to pay my claim", I'd be my own self-insurance company.)
... which in itself is a great weakness for the workers who are subject to them, since the self-insurers are completely flip-flopping away from providing adequate coverage.
You: "So does private insurance [...]"
Me: NO
Socialized medicine's goal is to pay out to all who need it and to collect from everyone. THAT is a spread. But PI is now all about avoiding payouts by continual machinations against the policy holders
Even so, I'm much in favor of eliminating the legislative mandates placed upon insurance, and instead retain only the government power to ensure fairness and enforcement in contracts. The "mandate" mess created a great demand for self insurance
That's good advice, but since the "offices" of IT folks are historically jammed into attics and basements (just to get the smelly little hippies away from the stuffed shirts offended by them), you tend to find 110V being the common power offering ... which is kind of strange since in may corporate basements you can certainly find 240 and 208-3P. {shrug}
I'd have to say that we're already competing just fine [for socialized medicine] with countries like Canada and Sweden.
Yes, I agree, if your definition of "compete" means that the auto capital of North America moved from Detriot to Toronto.
Of course, Canada IS finding itself a bit squeezed as its corporations are now demanding the same level of non-responsibility as America's corporations have so rampantly enjoyed. So all that national revenue share from taxing corporations is probably going to collapse as severely as it has in the United States. Then socialized medicine will fail in Canada due to defunding.
Health Care for Workers: Overall, it's being killed off in the First World. It will probably just die later in Canada than in the USA.
Have you ever actually opened an RTF file in a text editor?
I have. It IS a bit of a mess. I haven't looked at complicated RTF documents either. But what I've seen so far seems only slightly more of a mess than XML.
Also, XML is more immediately understandable. You have to study RTF a while before you get the hang of it. I've had to do a few direct RTF edits in my working life to remove some offending crap that DOC-RTF translation produced.
Yeah, well I well recall when various competitors did so -- particularly about the link between MSIE and the OS -- hence were branded as Socialistic nanny-state anti-competition pinkos.
... except Linux, but with the continued subversion of the US patent process by corporations, they'll eventually be able to repress that too. Sure, they'll cross-license with companies like IBM, but Mr Torvalds will find that he'll no longer own his own OS any more. If MS cannot kill Linux with copyrights, they can cripple it with patents.
Considering the administration in power, any such complaint will receive at least triple the negative response. There really is no way to force Microsoft to do anything anymore. They can squash anyone they please with all their monopolist power.
There's a simple formula, too, for figuring that out:
- Figure how many inches of bench length you have.
- Figure 1 outlet per inch.
- Multiply by 3 for top, middle and bottom mounts.
- Multiply by 10 just in case.
More seriously, and almost literally, you cannot have enough power outlets. People who provide techie areas just don't friggin' understand that one. We need DOZENS AND DOZENS of power outlets. We can consume a good 12-24 per 6FT of bench.KVMs help reduce that need, but with outlets being a buck each or less, in bulk, then why skimp?
P.S. 20-30 outlets per 6FT of bench seems like a good rule-of-thumb for the techie.
I can only expand the general suspicion. It's not just the horoscope existing in the newspaper. It's the whole set of of things ... like the size of the sports section, the prevalence of "entertainment" as news, and the progression of unsupported (and mostly religious) doctrine in political arenas.
We are definitely entering a Dark Age of the West, presided over by a certain monied elite in America. This may not be a Dark Age for much of civilized Humanity, however. I'm pretty sure that a civilization collapse in much of North America will have little basic effect upon the 1.2B Chinese. Like the Soviet collapse, America is probably going to sink into economic despondency that will weaken its military to the point that it cannot even manage a bombardment of China, even if it wanted to.
Isaac Newton was a firm believer in alchemy. Strangely, he still managed to do good science.
... from the efforts of people like him.
Why? Was alchemy mutually exclusive from good science in that age, when physics was known as "natural philosophy"?
Newton was certainly inquisitive, and rigorously so. The state of the sciences in general was particularly individualistic. In effect, the curiosity, time and equipment of people like Newton in that age WAS the very structure of science itself. So his interest in Alchemy is nothing to discredit his mindset. We now know that Alchemy is bullshit
Note that this is different than SUSPECTING that Alchemy was bullshit, as was the case in his age. Their suspicions have become our certainties. Thus Mankind's knowledge progresses.
Well, teacher, get off your high horse. The guy is plainly trying to point out that stereotypes arise due to forces, and you are only assuming those forces are invalid. Those forces have a very minor form of validity already merely by existing (somewhat on the order that "we should respect the opinions of others even if they are rancid").
I agree with the OP. Stereotypes exist for a reasons. It is our duty as informed people to find out what those reasons are. ONLY THEN can we start judging correctly that bigotry is occurring.
There is no reason to act unprofessionally even if they deserve it.
Their unprofessionalism must not go unpunished, or it will grow. The IT industry is now rife with unprofessional behavior on the employer side, and it has grown in part due to the desperation and meekness of the workers.
Being an employer doesn't exempt you from the law, from paying taxes, or from treating people with respect. When the latter raises its nasty head, it should be attacked. Such an attack may seem unprofessional itself, but that's the price to be paid for waging ECONOMIC WARFARE.
In a war, you have the language of war. That's something the rational man should expect.
Burning a bridge with a pack of arseholes on the other side is the very definition of sense. Let the arseholes be corralled onto an island that few people seek to swim to, since ALL the bridges will be down. Their isolation will be their punishment. The employee market will speak.
Perhaps I should have made it clear that if Jesus was standing on a street corner in one of Toledo's more affluent neighborhoods, he'd be jacked up. "Rather" fair skin means DARK skin, any way you cut it for the New Racism of today.
If I had received a dime for each time I heard the phrase "sand nigger" around here, I'd be able to afford to move to a REAL civilization (like Switzerland).
So much for Aryan ancestry. The local yokels who poured into recruiter offices across Ohio hardly know such distinctions.
What? Now we're supposed to notice a correlation to the oil industry's profits, and the election of an oil clan into high public offices?
Jeebus! I can barely keep track of which WB show I need to watch tonight! How will I find the mental space to notice that the Bush Family is heavily involved in oil?
"Energy bill"? When did THAT happen? Why don't people tell me these things on Fox News? {curls into fetal position with portable DVD player}
Gad, man! Do you realize that you've suddenly solved the problem of where to put the New Orleans refugees?
... which already has many 1000s of poor Blacks. It only stands to reason that the Bush Administration is probably seriously thinking about moving refugees to another poor area under US control with a dark-skinned population ... hence Iraq.
After all, my newspaper just informed me today that 126 hurricane refugees showed up in my city, Toledo
BRILLIANT! As the OP said, the TLD for Iraq should be *.iq.us. Anything else just wouldn't be honest.
[...] we tend to find something we like the look of, check the licence, see that for whatever reason we can't use it in this instance, shrug, and move on.
EXACTLY! You're honoring the property rights of others like you want your own property right honored! Good boy!
Ad hominem?
That must be Latin for "the truth hurts". I noted that you avoided addressing the truth. Keep pretending nothing's wrong, chump, and one day a rifle bullet will bring some of that reality back to you. You can run a society when most things are owned by the least numbers of people whose only ownership authorization is a lousy piece of paper in some vault in a downtown courthouse.
If you want us shitbag commercial programmers to respect your rights, then you dirty beatniks have to respect ours - a little less name calling would be a good place to start. Deal?
You aren't making a deal here since I've done nothing wrong (yes, even when I gleefully wipe your commercial crap off my HDD and replace it with OSS crap). It's your corporate culture that's trembling on the brink of doing things wrong.
If you want to be labelled a shitbag like your bosses, then that's either your honesty or your mistake.
Your corporate masters are almost uniformly uncaught financial criminals, and we are down to the choices of either jailing them under the law or shooting them to death outside it. It's long since time for you to choose, bunky.
And grow a fucking thicker skin, asshole. It's not about my opinion or my words; property rights are the law. The first time you grab some OSS software and make use of it outside the license like a dirty little capitalist scum, you're going to face prosecution. You'll find even the elitist shibags on the bench are STILL caught by the definitions of property rights. You can try to schmooze up to them by calling people like me dirty beatnik hippie Democrat pinkos, but the facts will be clearly against you.
Use OSS outside the license terms, and you'll end up in court. THAT works as well as when I dare to resell copyrighted works. What's good for the goose is damn well going to be good for the gander. Heck, even better: a scumbag copying XP in his basement is almost undetectable, but when TimC's Software, Inc. does it, it's ass-fucking time in court. Kind of like economy of scale, eh?
But it is amusing watching the corporate twits like you twist upon the hook of legality. I just love it. You yuppie shitheels think you own the world, and then your own legal system rips your asses apart in a spray of blood when you cross all kinds of lines in all your perverted arrogance.
I hear ya momma callin' ya, boy. Time to write another suckwad app for her and rip off the consumer for another hundred bucks. Har har! It's hard to compete with free! HAW HAW!
Oh, stop, I'm squirtin' tears here!
Providing source for a "software component" is useless since you cannot make changes and then recompile. The GPL aims to make a suite of software "components" changeable and then runnable in whatever they're embedded in. The viral nature is necessary.
Corporate environments can still choose to avoid OSS. But badmouthing the GPL is pointless. It's all about property rights, and if you don't like the rights, then write your own. OOPS! -- that takes development money. Hmm! I smell corporate motivation.
So perhaps you were full of bullshit after all. Corporate America is creeping up on OSS for precisely that reason (remember the Hypercapitalist definition I gave?), and there are going to be some significant court battles over property rights.
Got some news for ya, bud. A trade secret is a secret, and all secrets require dutiful work to maintain them. Using public software (under things like the GPL) is NOT an act of secrecy. These are fundamentally incompatible ... kind of like the mismatch between demanding pay for your services or products, or offering them for free via volunteering.
The GPL is hardly usable for the class of people who like to keep secrets. Strangely enough, they can still keep their secrets. But if they want to use the property of another, they have to abide by the terms of the property owner. So it all boils down to people wanting the things that they summarily deny to others. And that's not particularly politics -- that's culture.
In the world of the Hypercapitalist:
"What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine.
Thankfully, we out-number these sociopaths.
I really enjoy the idea of the trade-secret crowd salivating over OSS. After all, it's all about property rights, and that crowd of shitbags is allgedly 110% behind the idea of property rights, correct? Or are they all about stealing all the commonwealth for themselves while the rest of us starve and labor like slaves? Yes, I think that it's the latter case, too.
The GPL is perfectly usable tool for those who want to protect their property rights. PERIOD. So what's good for the goose is now good for the gander. Too bad for the capitalist thieves, boo-fuckin'-hoo. Property rights are not exclusive to corporations.
So, what, PayPal should have overextended itself with growth so that it would have ended up just another crashed dotcom?
Get over yourself. PayPal is THE online payment system. Making yourself a market leader is nothing to criticize. (Now, their business ethics -- THOSE are things to criticize.)
There's still plenty of margin for PayPal to low-bid their way into a lot of common commerce -- however established -- as long as they are willing to outsource and offshore in order to trim costs within razor-thin margins. Again, considering PayPal's business ethics, this seems all too likely.
Sure. That's so Grishnakh's GF can then invite her "personal trainer" Rolf over for some ... er, strenuous physical exercise.
If you continue to define "success" in such a fashion, then you're simply a horrible person, and the rest of us are taking down your name (figuratively speaking). Don't think that just because some sharp crooks are making bank now on public lassitude, that that's going to last, or that you're the next slimeball to ascend the 15-minute wealth throne.
Fucking people over is not success. We who do NOT fuck people over, are NOT inferior. Your propaganda and shitbag morality probably fly far on Wall Street and Fox News, but the Rest Of Us know the score.
And I'm armed. So you continue such policies to your personal peril. And yes, I AM threatening you. I fully expect to be shooting dupes and rubes like you to death within 20 years in America's now inevitable civil war. Free men can only tolerate so many scumbags doing only so much damage behind the scenes, before locking-and-loading on the perpetrators of criminal acts. Take a good look at New Orleans right now to see what YOUR future will be like. N.O. is the future that your me-me-me philosophy is purchasing. DUH!
If your IT folks are only the recipients of a sight-unseen stream of candidates from the HR dept, it's a wonder your IT manager hasn't come into work with a rifle by now.