If you have a thermal system, you need to cool it. So you bring in water, and after using it for generation, some is diverted to a distillation tank where you boil off som of the water, leaving a brine. That gets mixed with other waste water from the generator and is then put back into the ocean. Keep in mind that you might end up with a SMALL amount of higher salt upon discharge, but not enough to impact the environment, esp. if done in outward facing riptides.
the problem would be using direct energy such as oil, nat gas, etc to desalinate with. Instead, it should be waste heat from any electricity producing thermal system, but ideally, a nuclear reactor. Than add in solar for the low-end stuff.
Seriously, I would love to see us move something that large. It would enable a number of other actions. I will say, that it would be best to have a small 1-10MW nuclear reactor to power several electric motors to drive this forward.
Regardless, desalination is probably the better way. The reason is that multiple sites can be set up along the seas and have multiple continual sources of water vs. batching it.
If Trump/GOP does this right, they can bring back manufacturing from China back to the west. Not just America, but Europe, Canada, Australia, and even Japan/S. Korea. And all of our nations need to quit depending so much on China.
Good write up, but slight wrong. America is the world's largest importer. Period.
We import around 2.4 Trillion out of ~19 trillion GDP. So, yeah, around 10-13% of our economy is imports. Oddly, since china imports only 130 B from AMerica, China is only.7% of our GDP.
OTOH, We import ~.6T from China, with their economy being 11 Trillion. So, we impact over 5% of their economy.
THis is NOT something that China can win. The question becomes, what will Trump do? Will he act like W in Afghanistan/Iraq?
Sure. China can shut down 9% of their economy and it will not impact them. And it is not like the products are fungible and able to be bought in other nations or produced in America. After all, America, and the west, no longer have Iron/Steel mills, plastic injections, electronic board making, chip making, etc. None of this goes on over here.
Yeah, I hope CHina does EXACTLY what you suggested.
Actually, we have far more ppl in it than you realize. For example, we still build computers and networking devices in America. I know that in Boulder CO, they still have lots of specialized electronic manufacturing happening. BUT, to be honest, this is going to be automated quickly.
We are one of 2 nations that produce the bulk of RAM, though China just stole a bunch of tech on that.
I agree with you that we need a better strategy on this than what Trump/CONgress seem to be doing. In particular, we need a lot more automation.
Reminds me of when BMW (I think) started to make cars in the US. The main problem they had was worker and engineer skill. They ended up to have to transplant German engineers and line-workers (!) to get at least the critical components on an acceptable quality level.
really? How about a link to this.
The second problem with the tariffs is that China understand the problem and can out-escalate Trump. And when they call his bluff, he and the US have a ton of egg on their faces. In the end, this will make the US significantly weaker.
Really? What is the problem and how will the Chinese out-escalate Trump?
No doubt a lot of the Environmental items will be rolled back. Hopefully, trump will do a sane taxation policy, or the next guy will.
However, assuming that China/US Trade war finishes before Trump is impeached, I doubt that there will be anything to rollback.
As it was, it was the GOP in 2005 that fucked up our taxes to get businesses to move combined with many of the CHinese illegal actions.
Now, Trump is getting them to move back. With some smart tax change, he can keep them here.
Trump should not have fucked with trade dealing with Europe, nafta, and Latin America. However, all of these nations, combined with America, japan, and South Korea, manufacturer just about everything China does. As such, we can, and should, drop Chinese imports and instead switch back. Inflation may hit a bit, but far more likely, robotics will be used.
China has already put major tariffs on all imports from America. Now they are threatening the American companies that operate there. Right there, is the reason why America, and even the entire west, should pull out of China. Yes, China is 1/6 of the population, but far better to work with other nations and bring them up than to go down this route.
Seriously, trump has screwed things up all around. This is one area, where at least he is keeping his promise to address this. W/O promised that they would get China to honor their treaties and WTO as well, but did nothing.
BTW, as to Fukishima, the company had several choices. Build the wall higher as GE wanted, OR add generators further away from the reactors, and higher on the hill. Either solution would have solved this. BUT, MBA's always get in the way.
Hey, I am a fan of Nukes, but I think that we need to continue R&Ding the reactor designs. By now, all the ones being built should have been on 4th gen, if not 5th, should be failproof, and have little waste. NuScale comes to mind. The reason we are still building 3rd gens is due to all the far left idiots that allow fear to replace logic/intelligence.
As to the deaths in Chernobyl and Fukishima, it would be a lie to say that there were none. But, interestingly, it is still far less than what Coal does. Heck, just look at China, India, etc. Hell, look at America either from the 60s, OR look at us know but in different spectrum. Most of the pollution that the west has removed was visible. I will say that our current coal regs that filtered out lead and mercury, actually removed a lot of other pollution. Still, there is plenty emitted.
However, this was the worst accident and it required ppl to go in due to screw-ups. So, yeah, there will be more.
This is why we need SMRs, or 4th gen reactors, that will not have these issues.
Problem is, that 3rd gen reactors continue to be built. Worst, we have given the tech for 3rd gen to China and they, with their quality, are now building those reactors.
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Sure. You refuse to back up what you claimed. You are a liar.
If you have a thermal system, you need to cool it. So you bring in water, and after using it for generation, some is diverted to a distillation tank where you boil off som of the water, leaving a brine. That gets mixed with other waste water from the generator and is then put back into the ocean. Keep in mind that you might end up with a SMALL amount of higher salt upon discharge, but not enough to impact the environment, esp. if done in outward facing riptides.
the problem would be using direct energy such as oil, nat gas, etc to desalinate with. Instead, it should be waste heat from any electricity producing thermal system, but ideally, a nuclear reactor. Than add in solar for the low-end stuff.
Seriously, I would love to see us move something that large. It would enable a number of other actions. I will say, that it would be best to have a small 1-10MW nuclear reactor to power several electric motors to drive this forward.
Regardless, desalination is probably the better way. The reason is that multiple sites can be set up along the seas and have multiple continual sources of water vs. batching it.
no, but you are a liar.
Nope.
You do not understand manufacturing.
If Trump/GOP does this right, they can bring back manufacturing from China back to the west. Not just America, but Europe, Canada, Australia, and even Japan/S. Korea. And all of our nations need to quit depending so much on China.
Good write up, but slight wrong. America is the world's largest importer. Period. .7% of our GDP.
We import around 2.4 Trillion out of ~19 trillion GDP. So, yeah, around 10-13% of our economy is imports. Oddly, since china imports only 130 B from AMerica, China is only
OTOH, We import ~.6T from China, with their economy being 11 Trillion. So, we impact over 5% of their economy.
THis is NOT something that China can win. The question becomes, what will Trump do? Will he act like W in Afghanistan/Iraq?
Sure. China can shut down 9% of their economy and it will not impact them. And it is not like the products are fungible and able to be bought in other nations or produced in America. After all, America, and the west, no longer have Iron/Steel mills, plastic injections, electronic board making, chip making, etc. None of this goes on over here.
Yeah, I hope CHina does EXACTLY what you suggested.
Actually, we have far more ppl in it than you realize. For example, we still build computers and networking devices in America. I know that in Boulder CO, they still have lots of specialized electronic manufacturing happening. BUT, to be honest, this is going to be automated quickly.
We are one of 2 nations that produce the bulk of RAM, though China just stole a bunch of tech on that.
I agree with you that we need a better strategy on this than what Trump/CONgress seem to be doing. In particular, we need a lot more automation.
Reminds me of when BMW (I think) started to make cars in the US. The main problem they had was worker and engineer skill. They ended up to have to transplant German engineers and line-workers (!) to get at least the critical components on an acceptable quality level.
really? How about a link to this.
The second problem with the tariffs is that China understand the problem and can out-escalate Trump. And when they call his bluff, he and the US have a ton of egg on their faces. In the end, this will make the US significantly weaker.
Really? What is the problem and how will the Chinese out-escalate Trump?
No doubt a lot of the Environmental items will be rolled back. Hopefully, trump will do a sane taxation policy, or the next guy will.
However, assuming that China/US Trade war finishes before Trump is impeached, I doubt that there will be anything to rollback.
As it was, it was the GOP in 2005 that fucked up our taxes to get businesses to move combined with many of the CHinese illegal actions.
Now, Trump is getting them to move back. With some smart tax change, he can keep them here.
Fine. Give us a real link that shows that the cooling system was broke. Even in wiki, it says otherwise.
you might want to reread what happened.
https://www.google.com/search?...
https://hbr.org/2017/10/why-wa...
https://www.nytimes.com/intera...
Trump should not have fucked with trade dealing with Europe, nafta, and Latin America. However, all of these nations, combined with America, japan, and South Korea, manufacturer just about everything China does. As such, we can, and should, drop Chinese imports and instead switch back. Inflation may hit a bit, but far more likely, robotics will be used.
China has already put major tariffs on all imports from America. Now they are threatening the American companies that operate there. Right there, is the reason why America, and even the entire west, should pull out of China. Yes, China is 1/6 of the population, but far better to work with other nations and bring them up than to go down this route.
Seriously, trump has screwed things up all around. This is one area, where at least he is keeping his promise to address this. W/O promised that they would get China to honor their treaties and WTO as well, but did nothing.
These are $10-$16 /hr. with an average of ~$12.50. Living wage in Seattle is 13.88. Minimum wage is 11.50. IOW, they are about $1 / hr above minimum and about $1.30 under living wage.
Total BS. It was loss of electricity to run the pumps. This is an active system, unlike nuscale and others. Immediately after the earthquake, the active reactors automatically shut down their sustained fission reactions. However, the tsunami disabled the emergency generators that would have provided power to control and operate the pumps necessary to cool the reactors. The insufficient cooling led to three nuclear meltdowns, hydrogen-air explosions, and the release of radioactive material in Units 1, 2 and 3 from 12 March to 15 March. Loss of cooling also raised concerns over the recently loaded spent fuel pool of Reactor 4, which increased in temperature on 15 March due to the decay heat from the freshly added spent fuel rods but did not boil down to exposure.[8
Corruption in companies is always the bigger issues.
But even here, we see that CHina has SERIOUS issues with QA on building the western plants that they insisted on doing. That was stupid on both of those companies. Oddly, if CHina has issues with those reactors, they will probably blame the western companies, rather than their own lousy workmanship. They should have allowed either the Japanese or South Koreans to do the work.
BTW, as to Fukishima, the company had several choices. Build the wall higher as GE wanted, OR add generators further away from the reactors, and higher on the hill. Either solution would have solved this. BUT, MBA's always get in the way.
Hey, I am a fan of Nukes, but I think that we need to continue R&Ding the reactor designs. By now, all the ones being built should have been on 4th gen, if not 5th, should be failproof, and have little waste. NuScale comes to mind. The reason we are still building 3rd gens is due to all the far left idiots that allow fear to replace logic/intelligence.
As to the deaths in Chernobyl and Fukishima, it would be a lie to say that there were none. But, interestingly, it is still far less than what Coal does. Heck, just look at China, India, etc. Hell, look at America either from the 60s, OR look at us know but in different spectrum. Most of the pollution that the west has removed was visible. I will say that our current coal regs that filtered out lead and mercury, actually removed a lot of other pollution. Still, there is plenty emitted.
Quit that.
So many idiots will take you serious.
uh no. IIRC, those 2 drowned. NOT the same thing.
However, this was the worst accident and it required ppl to go in due to screw-ups. So, yeah, there will be more.
This is why we need SMRs, or 4th gen reactors, that will not have these issues.
Problem is, that 3rd gen reactors continue to be built. Worst, we have given the tech for 3rd gen to China and they, with their quality, are now building those reactors.
yeah. It is long past time for CONgress to do their GD jobs and bring up minimum wage, along with military pay.