exactly right.
That is why you tax at a single level (that slowly rises), but allow businesses to list where the worst part/service comes from, and then adjust accordingly. BUT, it has to be applied to ALL. IOW, CA has to either tax its locally produced for local consumption as either from America, or from CA. Either would work.
Since it is applied to all goods/serivce in CA, including CA's, it is NOT location specific. It is charged and then if businesses want to lower it/remove it, they can simply list all the parts/services and the CO2 emitted from that area. They do not have to list location.
I have a better IDEA. How about the feds pay each state what is collected in their state? CA would LOVE it. In fact, all of the blue/purple states would love it. We are the ones supporting the feds while the red states suck on the tits and waste money such as the SLS/Orion crap, the M1A2 which is in dire need of major upgrade, or decent fighters that are not produce in texas with such piss-poor quality and outrageous prices. What L-Mart charges America and our allies for the F-35 is nothing less than treason. The list goes on and on.
Right. This is NOT a tariff. It has NOTHING to do with location other than the CO2 that emits from there. Since it treats every location the same, be it a state, including CA itself, or a nation, then it is NOT a tariff. In POF, it is applied the same to EVERYTHING, and then if somebody wants to get it lowered, or out of it, they simply submit where are the parts come from, or where the services are done.
From this POV, it is NO DIFFERENT than having a VAT, but allowing the VAT to be lowered based on meeting conditions. Nations do it ALL THE TIME. Hell, if Tesla will put production in CHina, in certain places with certain partners, they will drop their VAT.
Yeah. This is not a duty. The reason is that it is applied to ALL GOODS/SERVICES IN THE SAME FASHION. This is no different than a sales tax, EXCEPT that it can be lowered if you state where the parts/services come from, and you happen to have them coming from better areas. That would include all goods produced in CA.
Why would it be unconstitutional? It is a tax that is being applied equally to all locally consumed goods/services based solely on worst part/service emissions. Nothing illegal about that.
What is needed is multiple like OCO2/OCO3. Then monitor around the world. Seriously, a number of nations cheat. With the sats, it will be possible to find out which ones. Ideally, CA will tax consumed goods/.services based on which nation/state the worst sub-part/service comes from. In doing that, it will reward nations/states that have cleaned up, while punishing those that have not. And with CA being the 5 largest economy in the world, They have the ability to enforce this.
Even better would be America doing this since we are the #1 importer.
hey dip shit. I even did the math for you on the original post.
China is 1.34 million tonnes / million ppl.
America is 1.02 million tonnes / million ppl.
America is MUCH lower per capita than CHina. Trivial math.
50% with 19% of the population is better than 15% with 5% of population(more like 4%)
Again, you continue to be a liar. I said that it was from 15-8%. IOW, like 10 years prior America was around 15%. Now, it is around 8%.
According to BP, America is 8.9% of total world consumption, while your nation is is at 50.7%. Worst of all, China is dropping their Coal numbers by converting coal to methane and then not including those numbers, even though CO2 is actually WORSE, not better.
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Always a coward and a liar.
Per capita Americans use more coal than just about anyone. More than India, even more than China.
You are not even CAPABLE of logic. China consumes over 1/2 of the consumed coal on this PLANET EACH YEAR for the last 10 years.
BUT, they are 1/6-1/5 of the worlds population or ~19%.
America consumes 15-8% of all of the consumed coal for the last 10 years. Yet, population of 5%. It is obvious that with MINOR knowledge that America's coal per capita can not even be FUCKING CLOSE.
So, here are some REAL numbers. What follows is 2017 coal consumption equivalence in million metric tons of oil equivalence| population in millions | coal consumption per million capitia.
China: 1, 892.6|1,409| 1.34
India: 424| 1,339|.31
USA: 332| 324| 1.02
Russia: 92.3|143|.65
S. Africa: 82.2|56| 1.47
Germany: 71.3|82|.87
While China is not the highest in per capitia, it is one of the highest.
And America is not even CLOSE to China in terms of per capita.
Porky, you keep speaking of per capita, and yet, you constantly lie, rather than simply face the facts.
I have to differ with that. The reason is that Businesses have no conscious to guide them in their actions. Worst yet, in America, we provide the veil that allows the executives that can/do commit many many crimes, to not have criminal charges applied to them. IOW, ppl can escape being punished.
BTW, it used to be that Businesses actually helped their nations. If you go to EUrope, Australia, Canada, Japan, etc, all of their businesses still work hard to do right by their nation. America's businesses have become a joke and look more like China's businesses. The damage that America/Chinese businesses are doing to their own nations is incredible. With that said, at least the majority of CHinese businesses stand for their gov.
The far right argues that a non-living businesses has religion and therefore are not subject to various regs.
Now, they are arguing that a business should not have the rest of first amendment, even when it is just inside of the business.
I hope that SCOTUS gets a case out of this. It should be interesting to see what will happen.
Look, our biggest problem is that nations continue to add more new fossil fuel plants esp. coal. Coal alone accounts for 40+% of global emissions, with Nat gas at 20%..
If we stop building new fossil fuel plants, total new emissions will drop quickly. Why? Because vast majority of coal plants are more than 20 years old and these will phase out over 10-20 years. The problem is that China has about 1/2 of the coal plants with average life around 10. But if nations continue adding fossil fuel plants, esp coal, these plants will run 30-40 years.
Note that transportation will move to EVs quickly. Unfortunately, coal is worse than gas/diesel ice. As such, for nations that are 80+% coal, EVs will make things worse.
Finally, lowering co2 is important. But, we need to be cautious on that. Far too many 'solutions' create disasters.
The problem is that drug companies can now advertise to the general public, even though a docs scrip is needed. This is getting ppl to push drugs, which is just crazy.
I did not say that the dems did gerrymandering in more places or more often. I simply said that they are as guilty of this action as the GOP are. And that is accurate.
If the dems want to stop the GOP from such criminal action, they should also clean up themselves first, or at least, as well.
uh no. What exactly are they going to take? TP based DSL lines? Regular coax cable? The state/local gov/citizens would gain little to nothing. And ED is not used to force a regulation of NN on the phone/cable providers. Totally different concepts. ANd in general, if a local gov attempts to steal the lines, then the business will simply go to the courts and demand reparations for it, which is normally quite costly.
Instead of stealing or buying junk, it is better for the local gov to put in fiber. Do it legally, and let these companies continue to compete with their junk, slow speeds, high prices and attempt to fuck over the customers with controlling the network.
I wish that techies would QUIT trying to force net neutrality. It will solve NOTHING. The far right wants to make it so that the companies that lobby them (i.e. bribes them) wins out.
As such, the ONLY way to win at this, is to push local govs to add fiber utilities. For most states, it means passing laws that allow this. Some states like Colorado have the law and just need to have local govs vote on it. What is interesting is that nearly all attempts have passed. So, if techs REALLY want to make difference, just target the cities in which net neutrality has been violated. Once businesses realize that they can lose all their customers and profits in an area, they will stop. In the mean time, by pushing local gov fiber, we gain with G speed and much lower costs.
This is a waste of time and money for everybody. Instead, the state would be better off allowing state/local govs to put in gov-owned fiber based on simple vote. As soon as this goes through, all isp will change attitudes.
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exactly right. That is why you tax at a single level (that slowly rises), but allow businesses to list where the worst part/service comes from, and then adjust accordingly. BUT, it has to be applied to ALL. IOW, CA has to either tax its locally produced for local consumption as either from America, or from CA. Either would work.
Since it is applied to all goods/serivce in CA, including CA's, it is NOT location specific. It is charged and then if businesses want to lower it/remove it, they can simply list all the parts/services and the CO2 emitted from that area. They do not have to list location.
I have a better IDEA. How about the feds pay each state what is collected in their state? CA would LOVE it. In fact, all of the blue/purple states would love it. We are the ones supporting the feds while the red states suck on the tits and waste money such as the SLS/Orion crap, the M1A2 which is in dire need of major upgrade, or decent fighters that are not produce in texas with such piss-poor quality and outrageous prices. What L-Mart charges America and our allies for the F-35 is nothing less than treason. The list goes on and on.
That is already the case. More federal money flows to Red states, while Blue states are constantly milked by the GOP.
These are not based on origins. It is based on emissions. Big difference.
Right. This is NOT a tariff. It has NOTHING to do with location other than the CO2 that emits from there. Since it treats every location the same, be it a state, including CA itself, or a nation, then it is NOT a tariff. In POF, it is applied the same to EVERYTHING, and then if somebody wants to get it lowered, or out of it, they simply submit where are the parts come from, or where the services are done.
From this POV, it is NO DIFFERENT than having a VAT, but allowing the VAT to be lowered based on meeting conditions. Nations do it ALL THE TIME. Hell, if Tesla will put production in CHina, in certain places with certain partners, they will drop their VAT.
Like O's investments, it could make more money than went out.
Yeah. This is not a duty. The reason is that it is applied to ALL GOODS/SERVICES IN THE SAME FASHION. This is no different than a sales tax, EXCEPT that it can be lowered if you state where the parts/services come from, and you happen to have them coming from better areas. That would include all goods produced in CA.
Why would it be unconstitutional? It is a tax that is being applied equally to all locally consumed goods/services based solely on worst part/service emissions. Nothing illegal about that.
What is needed is multiple like OCO2/OCO3. Then monitor around the world. Seriously, a number of nations cheat. With the sats, it will be possible to find out which ones. Ideally, CA will tax consumed goods/.services based on which nation/state the worst sub-part/service comes from. In doing that, it will reward nations/states that have cleaned up, while punishing those that have not. And with CA being the 5 largest economy in the world, They have the ability to enforce this.
Even better would be America doing this since we are the #1 importer.
China is 1.34 million tonnes / million ppl.
America is 1.02 million tonnes / million ppl.
America is MUCH lower per capita than CHina. Trivial math.
As to Statista, they were open before. Oddly, they now blocked.
However, here is from BP.
Page 39 lists coal consumption, by year, and still showing the same
50% with 19% of the population is better than 15% with 5% of population(more like 4%)
Again, you continue to be a liar. I said that it was from 15-8%. IOW, like 10 years prior America was around 15%. Now, it is around 8%.
According to BP, America is 8.9% of total world consumption, while your nation is is at 50.7%. Worst of all, China is dropping their Coal numbers by converting coal to methane and then not including those numbers, even though CO2 is actually WORSE, not better.
So get with it porky. Quit LYING.
Always a coward and a liar.
Per capita Americans use more coal than just about anyone. More than India, even more than China.
You are not even CAPABLE of logic. China consumes over 1/2 of the consumed coal on this PLANET EACH YEAR for the last 10 years. .31
BUT, they are 1/6-1/5 of the worlds population or ~19%.
America consumes 15-8% of all of the consumed coal for the last 10 years. Yet, population of 5%. It is obvious that with MINOR knowledge that America's coal per capita can not even be FUCKING CLOSE.
So, here are some REAL numbers.
What follows is 2017 coal consumption equivalence in million metric tons of oil equivalence| population in millions | coal consumption per million capitia.
China: 1, 892.6|1,409| 1.34
India: 424| 1,339|
USA: 332| 324| 1.02
Russia: 92.3|143|.65
S. Africa: 82.2|56| 1.47
Germany: 71.3|82|.87
While China is not the highest in per capitia, it is one of the highest.
And America is not even CLOSE to China in terms of per capita.
Porky, you keep speaking of per capita, and yet, you constantly lie, rather than simply face the facts.
I have to differ with that. The reason is that Businesses have no conscious to guide them in their actions. Worst yet, in America, we provide the veil that allows the executives that can/do commit many many crimes, to not have criminal charges applied to them. IOW, ppl can escape being punished.
BTW, it used to be that Businesses actually helped their nations. If you go to EUrope, Australia, Canada, Japan, etc, all of their businesses still work hard to do right by their nation. America's businesses have become a joke and look more like China's businesses. The damage that America/Chinese businesses are doing to their own nations is incredible. With that said, at least the majority of CHinese businesses stand for their gov.
The far right argues that a non-living businesses has religion and therefore are not subject to various regs.
Now, they are arguing that a business should not have the rest of first amendment, even when it is just inside of the business.
I hope that SCOTUS gets a case out of this. It should be interesting to see what will happen.
Look, our biggest problem is that nations continue to add more new fossil fuel plants esp. coal. Coal alone accounts for 40+% of global emissions, with Nat gas at 20%..
If we stop building new fossil fuel plants, total new emissions will drop quickly. Why? Because vast majority of coal plants are more than 20 years old and these will phase out over 10-20 years. The problem is that China has about 1/2 of the coal plants with average life around 10. But if nations continue adding fossil fuel plants, esp coal, these plants will run 30-40 years.
Note that transportation will move to EVs quickly. Unfortunately, coal is worse than gas/diesel ice. As such, for nations that are 80+% coal, EVs will make things worse.
Finally, lowering co2 is important. But, we need to be cautious on that. Far too many 'solutions' create disasters.
The problem is that drug companies can now advertise to the general public, even though a docs scrip is needed. This is getting ppl to push drugs, which is just crazy.
Just because they are anxious should no excuse them. In fact, the exact opposite. They need more to get over it.
Actually, at this point, if we can just stop adding fossil fuel plants and continue moving to electric transportation, then the CO2 would drop.
In POF, the globe's average is above 405 PPM.
no, they will not. Just getting nations to quit growing their emissions is a bitch. The idea that nations will go negative will not happen.
I did not say that the dems did gerrymandering in more places or more often. I simply said that they are as guilty of this action as the GOP are. And that is accurate.
If the dems want to stop the GOP from such criminal action, they should also clean up themselves first, or at least, as well.
uh no. What exactly are they going to take? TP based DSL lines? Regular coax cable? The state/local gov/citizens would gain little to nothing. And ED is not used to force a regulation of NN on the phone/cable providers. Totally different concepts. ANd in general, if a local gov attempts to steal the lines, then the business will simply go to the courts and demand reparations for it, which is normally quite costly.
Instead of stealing or buying junk, it is better for the local gov to put in fiber. Do it legally, and let these companies continue to compete with their junk, slow speeds, high prices and attempt to fuck over the customers with controlling the network.
You dems do plenty of gerrymandering as well.
I wish that techies would QUIT trying to force net neutrality. It will solve NOTHING. The far right wants to make it so that the companies that lobby them (i.e. bribes them) wins out.
As such, the ONLY way to win at this, is to push local govs to add fiber utilities. For most states, it means passing laws that allow this. Some states like Colorado have the law and just need to have local govs vote on it. What is interesting is that nearly all attempts have passed. So, if techs REALLY want to make difference, just target the cities in which net neutrality has been violated. Once businesses realize that they can lose all their customers and profits in an area, they will stop. In the mean time, by pushing local gov fiber, we gain with G speed and much lower costs.
This is a waste of time and money for everybody. Instead, the state would be better off allowing state/local govs to put in gov-owned fiber based on simple vote. As soon as this goes through, all isp will change attitudes.