We have spent over 50 years giving Africa food. It is not working to simply give it to them. Instead, if we help them set up businesses, establish trade, schools, and yes, farms, then we can help them to see value in doing more than just raping/pillaging each other.
I seriously doubt it. It MIGHT take out 50% or more, but 99.95? Not bloody likely esp. when you consider the the majority of the population live around the equator already.
Just up the road a ways (ok 100 KM) is a mountain that is capable of sustaining a sizable population for 10 years, with stores as well. Many nations have similar areas. No, a comet would NOT wipe out humanity 100% unless it took out most of our atmosphere or the planet itself.
After all, the fact that he has a gun to his head, a gov. appointed lawyer (in spite of the family hiring a private one), and most likely loads of torture, has ZERO bearings on his saying these things.
Lets get it over with and just bomb Iran. All of this foreplay gets SO old. Heck, if we must, lets move an old carrier into position and allow Iran to take it out and then we cans send in loads of bombs there.
Feeding starving africans will do NO good. Instead, far better to help them feed themselves. Best way is to get businesses going with them. IOW, even helping firefly does more to help africa then simply giving food to ppl that are then cut off later and starve again.
Actually, that is true on the moon, but on mars, there is enough atmosphere to pull heat away. More importantly, on both places (mars/moon), you can have temp extremes. OTH, if you are in the regolith and down a bit, then you have fairly constant temps. That makes it easier to engineer for.
Sending robotics is nice and all, but you will note that not only do they break down, but they are limited in scope. A human can respond decently. Finally, it is in mankind's best interest to move beyond earth.
Exactly. A real condition would be Antarctica, though even year around artic region is doable, initially. But before sending a crew to mars or moon, we really should test at the south pole.
Dropping 5 tonnes is not going to happen. It will have to be landed using a VTVL craft. Think Blue Origin. Think Armadillo. Think even SpaceX's grasshopper. Once they have these taking 5 tonnes to 60 miles and down, all under power, and can do it 10x or more without a re-build, then it should be capable of doing the same on mars without issues. And that will happen within 10 years here. Change the engines to methane, the design to a truck that can take a load up or down and automatically off-load it, then we have it done.
However, I agree with you about the rest. And what you missed is that it would be more than 2 or 3 in orbit. Have to include, water, supplies, etc. Instead, it is actually better to send a crew on a one-way mission, allow them to build a base over 10 years, as well as control robotic exploration on the surface. Once we have ascertained that Mars does not harbor life that can harm earth, and we have enough of a base, we can focus on a transport vehicle using NERVA. Then if the crew wants to come back, they can.
I think that If BA or IDC were smart, they would put one of their units at a south pole base and and see how they do. It would be useful to see them hit -100F/-70C or below. That would enable it show how they will do at Mars and parts of the moon. And as far as dropping on the mars or lunar surface, that makes little sense. There are plenty of caverns at both places. Put it down one and drop soil/regolith on top for insulation. At the very least offer up some sort of seal at the opening with a walk-way down to the habitat. That would limit the exchange of heat to make it easier to keep an iso temp.
MBA's. Once reagan allowed execs to own stock in the company, the fastest way for execs to make money is run up the company's stock value and then sell what they got. As such, companies are destroyed by execs owning stock. We have become a nation of short-term sight, rather than the long-term that we used to take. reagan did SO MUCH DAMAGE to America and it continues to this day.
This is why I keep saying that we need to drop allowing executives to own regular stock. Instead, they should own an employee stock or none at all. With the employee stock, it has no fluctuating value that can be manipulated. HOWEVER, when dividends are paid, they are paid to both regular stock and employees. With that approach, it encourages the long-term view of a company.
You mean like Kodak Chemicals? Or Kodak mining? Or Kodak printing? We could go on. Kodak actually had a number of subsidiaries that they owned. Sold them off. Big mistake.
Sigh.
NiMH's and Li-Ion car batteries are recycled because it is required by LAW. As such a deposit is made on them. Now, if you have a junk car and you decide to put it on cinder blocks, that is your choice. HOWEVER, when you are able to get a refund by simply taking it in and getting useless batteries taken out, well, I suspect that even righty whackos will do that. And even if these sit up on blocks, not a big deal. The batteries are encased, so they will not cause an issue (unlike the greese, oils, gas, lead acid batteries from a gas car, radiator fluid, etc).
Now, the batteries in your walkman, your mp3, your phone, your computers, etc do NOT have recycling going on. THAT is where the issue is. THOSE should have a 1 or 2 added to each of those to encourage recycling. The problem is that when an attempt was added, then a number of right-wing whack jobs fought against it.
DDT i s STILL used around the world, but sparingly. Since it was found out that liberal use of it DID cause issues. Here in America, we wiped out most arthopod-bourne diseases and can control mosquitoes in other fashions. We really do not have large issues with arthopod-bourne diseases, so there is no reason to not use it.
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WRT nukes, I have seen that it has LITTLE to do with liberals. I have seen that it is NIMBY that takes the cake. Look at who is fighting fracking? Liberals? Nope. Ohio neo-cons gov shut down fracking because of 2 little bitty earth quakes. Likewise, Colorado Springs, Commerce City both in CO, are blocking fracking from occurring. WHy? Because they do not want it in THEIR BACK YARD. However, like you, they think that it is safe and fine for doing in somebody else backyard. Nukes are here. America is NOT going to walk away from nukes. In fact, I think that we will finally see loads of new reactors coming.
The only ones being fleeced are ppl that do not learn and simply follow along a political agenda without a clue of what they are talking about.
And you have SERIOUS issues with you calculations. For starters, you show China with 10x the land mass of USA. That alone should let you know that you were incorrect. The reality is that China and USA are about the same size. Instead, grab the data from CIA.gov and parse it correctly.
CO2 and pollution should be tied to 2 things:
Size of area (farming, etc) as well as GDP.
The size of area makes sense for 'fairness', but another issue is how much business somebody does. You will notice that China's pollution rose with GDP rising. They basically, cheated their way to growth, but that is because they are in a cold war.
At this time, controlling CO2 emissions and pollution is not possible because far too many are pushing for OTHERS to do something. What is needed is for nations to TAX ALL GOODS (local AND imported) based on the CO2 (and possibly other pollution) from which the good (and its components) come from. That puts ALL OF US into making changes.
When that comes out, we are going to find out that CO2 is MUCH MUCH HIGHER.
What is interesting is that this report shows some of the much higher emissions that I have spoken about here. When I mentioned it, I told about a group of ppl that were allowed to monitor them, but could not report it. What few realize still, is that this report is STILL FAKED. What happens is that China has numerous coal plants that have pollution controls on them (required by Japanese treaty), but they purposely turn off (lowers the amount of electricity by something like 5-10%, foolishly, the treaty with japan does NOT require them to turn it on; though to be fair, I doubt that China would have cared). As such, these measurements are taken about 1 day to 1 wekk after running coal plant pollution control. What you see here is the much lesser pollution by steel, concrete, etc. IOW, it does not include the much higher pollution from unclean coal plants.
What it comes down to, is China is STILL emitting on most days of the year) far more than what it reports here.
America should be doing the same. In particular, we should get the GE PRISM going and put it on-site of old gen 1 and 2 plants. Then use that to process the nuke 'waste' that is stored there. In doing that, it allows current nuke plants to tear down old reactors that use old tech, while still maintaining energy, and profits. In addition, it converts a train-load of waste that would be transported to WIPP and stored for 20K years. Instead, we now remove all of the energy, put in place a SAFE reactor, and then drop the large train-load of waste, to less than a car of true waste of 200 years worth of issues.
Then with any new sites, we should instead use a thorium reactor or some of the micro reactors, such as what GA, B&W, etc are working towards.
It amazes me the lack of knowledge by the righists for anything that deals with reality or whatever nonsense they spout.
THis article was about stock hybrids, not about electric cars. As such, all of the electricity for it came from gas.
However, as to the batteries in most hybrids, they are NiMH, not li-ion.
They have a refundable fee on them of something like 1K for the batteries. Why?
Because you turn them in and they get recycled. in hoth NiMH and Li-ion, the Ni and Li are 100% recyclable (the plastic and other minor things are not).
OTH, the batteries in our laptops, phones etc, typically are thrown away because there is no refundable value on them. Too bad.
Interestingly, a hybrid and EV cars have more value at the end of their lives than does a gas car.
In America 2009, the percentages for electricity that charged our computers, gave us energy, etc. were:
1) 44 % coal,
2) 23% natural gas,
3) 19% nuke,
4) 7% hydro,
5) 3% AE including wind, solar, geo-thermal, etc,
6) 1% oil.
By 2016, coal is expected to be close to 1/3 of our power due to a number of plans to close various plants.
Now, back in 2009, the only electric cars were gulf cart type things and a few roadsters. In 2011, there were roadsters and nissan leafs. However, in 2012, there will be something like 8-10 different models of electric cars offtered. Most will be junk. You will want to skip the Chrysler/Fiat POS (fiat 500 EV for 45K and 85 mile range, while the gas version is 15K; only a true idiot will buy that). GM's bean counters are still pushing hybrids and junk. Ford will have an overpriced electric car as well (ford focus EV with 75 mile range for something like 38K). Likewise, the rest coming out of Europe is just junk . So, that leaves Tesla, Nissan, Toyota, Scion, and Mitsubishi. Nissan has their leaf at 37,5K (100 mile range). Toyota has a Rav 4 EV coming out but prices are not announced. Scion has a car from under 20K. And Mitsubishi has the IQ around 20K.
In 2013, this field is supposed to double. Even in this quarter, Tesla is going to showcase their SUV that is coming on their skateboard aluminum chassis.
Now, I am Libertarian, not a lefty, or a righty, and certainly not a neo-con. I get something wrong, but generally, I try to learn. Hopefully, you do as well.
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We have spent over 50 years giving Africa food. It is not working to simply give it to them. Instead, if we help them set up businesses, establish trade, schools, and yes, farms, then we can help them to see value in doing more than just raping/pillaging each other.
That's right. That's why you start it at one place and work your way outwards.
I seriously doubt it. It MIGHT take out 50% or more, but 99.95? Not bloody likely esp. when you consider the the majority of the population live around the equator already.
Just up the road a ways (ok 100 KM) is a mountain that is capable of sustaining a sizable population for 10 years, with stores as well. Many nations have similar areas. No, a comet would NOT wipe out humanity 100% unless it took out most of our atmosphere or the planet itself.
No. He admitted it with a gun to his head. Not much of an admission is it. And that is based on what the Iranian gov is claiming.
My neighbors do all the time. Some of them go 2x a year. They still love the ppl, just differ with the government.
Why? Was he working against Iran? If not, then he should have little to fear.
After all, the fact that he has a gun to his head, a gov. appointed lawyer (in spite of the family hiring a private one), and most likely loads of torture, has ZERO bearings on his saying these things.
Lets get it over with and just bomb Iran. All of this foreplay gets SO old. Heck, if we must, lets move an old carrier into position and allow Iran to take it out and then we cans send in loads of bombs there.
Why? Do you think a bit of ice could kill off all humans?
Feeding starving africans will do NO good. Instead, far better to help them feed themselves. Best way is to get businesses going with them. IOW, even helping firefly does more to help africa then simply giving food to ppl that are then cut off later and starve again.
Actually, that is true on the moon, but on mars, there is enough atmosphere to pull heat away. More importantly, on both places (mars/moon), you can have temp extremes. OTH, if you are in the regolith and down a bit, then you have fairly constant temps. That makes it easier to engineer for.
Sending robotics is nice and all, but you will note that not only do they break down, but they are limited in scope. A human can respond decently. Finally, it is in mankind's best interest to move beyond earth.
Exactly. A real condition would be Antarctica, though even year around artic region is doable, initially. But before sending a crew to mars or moon, we really should test at the south pole.
Dropping 5 tonnes is not going to happen. It will have to be landed using a VTVL craft. Think Blue Origin. Think Armadillo. Think even SpaceX's grasshopper. Once they have these taking 5 tonnes to 60 miles and down, all under power, and can do it 10x or more without a re-build, then it should be capable of doing the same on mars without issues. And that will happen within 10 years here. Change the engines to methane, the design to a truck that can take a load up or down and automatically off-load it, then we have it done.
However, I agree with you about the rest. And what you missed is that it would be more than 2 or 3 in orbit. Have to include, water, supplies, etc. Instead, it is actually better to send a crew on a one-way mission, allow them to build a base over 10 years, as well as control robotic exploration on the surface. Once we have ascertained that Mars does not harbor life that can harm earth, and we have enough of a base, we can focus on a transport vehicle using NERVA. Then if the crew wants to come back, they can.
I think that If BA or IDC were smart, they would put one of their units at a south pole base and and see how they do. It would be useful to see them hit -100F/-70C or below. That would enable it show how they will do at Mars and parts of the moon. And as far as dropping on the mars or lunar surface, that makes little sense. There are plenty of caverns at both places. Put it down one and drop soil/regolith on top for insulation. At the very least offer up some sort of seal at the opening with a walk-way down to the habitat. That would limit the exchange of heat to make it easier to keep an iso temp.
MBA's. Once reagan allowed execs to own stock in the company, the fastest way for execs to make money is run up the company's stock value and then sell what they got. As such, companies are destroyed by execs owning stock. We have become a nation of short-term sight, rather than the long-term that we used to take. reagan did SO MUCH DAMAGE to America and it continues to this day.
This is why I keep saying that we need to drop allowing executives to own regular stock. Instead, they should own an employee stock or none at all. With the employee stock, it has no fluctuating value that can be manipulated. HOWEVER, when dividends are paid, they are paid to both regular stock and employees. With that approach, it encourages the long-term view of a company.
Actually, they built those up. Yes, they sold, foolishly, but they built up both mining and chemicals.
Of course, that was actually a year ago, not a couple of days ago. But hey, lets not have facts to worry about.
You mean like Kodak Chemicals? Or Kodak mining? Or Kodak printing? We could go on. Kodak actually had a number of subsidiaries that they owned. Sold them off. Big mistake.
Sigh.
NiMH's and Li-Ion car batteries are recycled because it is required by LAW. As such a deposit is made on them. Now, if you have a junk car and you decide to put it on cinder blocks, that is your choice. HOWEVER, when you are able to get a refund by simply taking it in and getting useless batteries taken out, well, I suspect that even righty whackos will do that. And even if these sit up on blocks, not a big deal. The batteries are encased, so they will not cause an issue (unlike the greese, oils, gas, lead acid batteries from a gas car, radiator fluid, etc).
Now, the batteries in your walkman, your mp3, your phone, your computers, etc do NOT have recycling going on. THAT is where the issue is. THOSE should have a 1 or 2 added to each of those to encourage recycling. The problem is that when an attempt was added, then a number of right-wing whack jobs fought against it.
DDT i s STILL used around the world, but sparingly. Since it was found out that liberal use of it DID cause issues. Here in America, we wiped out most arthopod-bourne diseases and can control mosquitoes in other fashions. We really do not have large issues with arthopod-bourne diseases, so there is no reason to not use it.
, WRT nukes, I have seen that it has LITTLE to do with liberals. I have seen that it is NIMBY that takes the cake. Look at who is fighting fracking? Liberals? Nope. Ohio neo-cons gov shut down fracking because of 2 little bitty earth quakes. Likewise, Colorado Springs, Commerce City both in CO, are blocking fracking from occurring. WHy? Because they do not want it in THEIR BACK YARD. However, like you, they think that it is safe and fine for doing in somebody else backyard. Nukes are here. America is NOT going to walk away from nukes. In fact, I think that we will finally see loads of new reactors coming.
The only ones being fleeced are ppl that do not learn and simply follow along a political agenda without a clue of what they are talking about.
And you have SERIOUS issues with you calculations. For starters, you show China with 10x the land mass of USA. That alone should let you know that you were incorrect. The reality is that China and USA are about the same size. Instead, grab the data from CIA.gov and parse it correctly.
CO2 and pollution should be tied to 2 things: Size of area (farming, etc) as well as GDP.
The size of area makes sense for 'fairness', but another issue is how much business somebody does. You will notice that China's pollution rose with GDP rising. They basically, cheated their way to growth, but that is because they are in a cold war.
At this time, controlling CO2 emissions and pollution is not possible because far too many are pushing for OTHERS to do something. What is needed is for nations to TAX ALL GOODS (local AND imported) based on the CO2 (and possibly other pollution) from which the good (and its components) come from. That puts ALL OF US into making changes.
No. A cold war is at the root of this. And China is in a cold war with the west. It is American greed that is allowing China to win.
When that comes out, we are going to find out that CO2 is MUCH MUCH HIGHER.
What is interesting is that this report shows some of the much higher emissions that I have spoken about here. When I mentioned it, I told about a group of ppl that were allowed to monitor them, but could not report it. What few realize still, is that this report is STILL FAKED. What happens is that China has numerous coal plants that have pollution controls on them (required by Japanese treaty), but they purposely turn off (lowers the amount of electricity by something like 5-10%, foolishly, the treaty with japan does NOT require them to turn it on; though to be fair, I doubt that China would have cared). As such, these measurements are taken about 1 day to 1 wekk after running coal plant pollution control. What you see here is the much lesser pollution by steel, concrete, etc. IOW, it does not include the much higher pollution from unclean coal plants.
What it comes down to, is China is STILL emitting on most days of the year) far more than what it reports here.
America should be doing the same. In particular, we should get the GE PRISM going and put it on-site of old gen 1 and 2 plants. Then use that to process the nuke 'waste' that is stored there. In doing that, it allows current nuke plants to tear down old reactors that use old tech, while still maintaining energy, and profits. In addition, it converts a train-load of waste that would be transported to WIPP and stored for 20K years. Instead, we now remove all of the energy, put in place a SAFE reactor, and then drop the large train-load of waste, to less than a car of true waste of 200 years worth of issues.
Then with any new sites, we should instead use a thorium reactor or some of the micro reactors, such as what GA, B&W, etc are working towards.
It amazes me the lack of knowledge by the righists for anything that deals with reality or whatever nonsense they spout.
THis article was about stock hybrids, not about electric cars. As such, all of the electricity for it came from gas.
However, as to the batteries in most hybrids, they are NiMH, not li-ion. They have a refundable fee on them of something like 1K for the batteries. Why? Because you turn them in and they get recycled. in hoth NiMH and Li-ion, the Ni and Li are 100% recyclable (the plastic and other minor things are not). OTH, the batteries in our laptops, phones etc, typically are thrown away because there is no refundable value on them. Too bad. Interestingly, a hybrid and EV cars have more value at the end of their lives than does a gas car.
In America 2009, the percentages for electricity that charged our computers, gave us energy, etc. were:
1) 44 % coal,
2) 23% natural gas,
3) 19% nuke,
4) 7% hydro,
5) 3% AE including wind, solar, geo-thermal, etc,
6) 1% oil.
By 2016, coal is expected to be close to 1/3 of our power due to a number of plans to close various plants.
Now, back in 2009, the only electric cars were gulf cart type things and a few roadsters. In 2011, there were roadsters and nissan leafs. However, in 2012, there will be something like 8-10 different models of electric cars offtered. Most will be junk. You will want to skip the Chrysler/Fiat POS (fiat 500 EV for 45K and 85 mile range, while the gas version is 15K; only a true idiot will buy that). GM's bean counters are still pushing hybrids and junk. Ford will have an overpriced electric car as well (ford focus EV with 75 mile range for something like 38K). Likewise, the rest coming out of Europe is just junk . So, that leaves Tesla, Nissan, Toyota, Scion, and Mitsubishi. Nissan has their leaf at 37,5K (100 mile range). Toyota has a Rav 4 EV coming out but prices are not announced. Scion has a car from under 20K. And Mitsubishi has the IQ around 20K.
In 2013, this field is supposed to double. Even in this quarter, Tesla is going to showcase their SUV that is coming on their skateboard aluminum chassis.
Now, I am Libertarian, not a lefty, or a righty, and certainly not a neo-con. I get something wrong, but generally, I try to learn. Hopefully, you do as well.