As was the insulation.
This was simply an issue of poor QC by Italy. I wonder how many other issues are there? Just thankful that poor QC did not cost ppl their lives. OTH, I do wonder who will pay for this.
Tranquility, Cupula AND the insulation were all made in Italy.
Basically, Italy should have tested this in a low atmosphere chamber. Had they done so, then they would have found this issue.
This is going to turn out to be BAD QC on Italy's part.
You can thank reagan for that. The nation was prepared to make the switch-over, including road signs, car speedometers, packaging, etc. He was SUCH a bad leader. I can not believe that W chose to emulate him, rather than his father.
Actually, Europe has only Cargo access, which America has heavier lift and if at same rate of subsidies would be cheaper. Russia has announced that they will raise the rate per seat. Last year, they were charging 28 million. For 6 rides over 3 years, we will pay 51 million/seat. Russia has announced in the last day that they will raise it even more. They are talking 100-150 million/seat. That is because of lack of competition.
America is sitting on the edge of a precipice where we get to orbit at a fraction of the current costs: 20 million / seat. WIth a bit of private competition and another space station, costs are expected to drop to 15 million/seat. If we things right, in 2013, we would pay no more than 20 million. More importantly, we would have multiple locations to go to. How to get the multiple locations? Bigelow Space Stations. That is important to get us to the moon. Once we have multiple stations in leo, and we have relatively cheap access to space, then we can go to the moon.
Much of that same tech is for use in Missiles. This would allow CHina to build faster, more powerful ones to be able to launch multiple neutron bombs. As it is, they have re-started production of these.
First, we are borrowing in no small part because they have their GD money fixed to ours AND have increased trade barriers to our products, dump their products on the west. Per the deal to get Perm. Most Favored Nation AND WTO, they are suppose to do NONE of these things. We need to revoke MFN and then work towards getting WTO revoked as well (that will be difficult, most likely impossible). But if either China obeys their treaties, OR we did the above, we could get our economy back.
I wish that I had not posted, and instead had chosen to moderate. I would have hit you as a troll or overrated (stupid if I could). America is going back to the moon. This time, we are going back with private space as well as our partners from the ISS, maybe more. I suspect that India and maybe Brazil will be invited. I have little doubt that we will be back on the moon by 2020. And as to these engines, they will be used again for Direct.
If we build Ares V NOW, we will kill NASA and our ability to go the moon. TO jump from 30 MT to leo to sending 188 MT to leo is expensive and foolish. Instead of launching 1-2 PER month, we will end up launching 2-3 times a year. BIG WASTE. What we really want is to build up our space infrastructure so that we are launching 2-5x EACH MONTH. From there, when we are ready to go to the moon, we need to have a LV that can do 70MT/leo. That is what Direct Jupiter (which uses the SSME) would have. Once we have more than just boots on the moon (as in setting down a base), THEN we need to have constellation caliber. BUT, if we build Ares V today, it KILLS the moon.
I agree. I think that we SHOULD bring it back. This was not about economic spying. This is to develop new rockets, NEW MISSILES. This is about WEAPONRY. The man should be hung AND it should be televised. This is somebody that openly betrays all Americans, in fact, Westerners. I have little need for this kind of trash.
If somebody is arrested, then they will either be held, or be released. If released, then they will be either released on their own, OR they have to post a bail. The bail says that if you skip the process, that you forfeit the money. Now, families can chose to put up the car, the house, etc for the bail. BUT, if that person skips out, then those things are forfeit.
That is NOT making somebody else responsible for the sins. That is somebody else saying that I took responsibility and did not do a good job. And NO, they do not arrest other family members or make things up.
OTH, ACs on/. LOVE to make things up. Obviously you are one of those. Basically, you have shown that you have no sense of ethics. I am guessing that you are a registered neo-con.
I was under impression that we already paid them to bring up the number of launches. In particular, I thought that we paid them several years ago to keep the levels up for several years.
The real question is not just how we will do on these planets, but what is the minimum to keep us from having longterm damage. As I wrote to fleaplus, it is possible that 1/10 G (less than mars or moon, but more than ceres) would be enough to keep our bones and muscles in OK shape. If so, then a craft is easy to design. In the end, it does not matter. Far far cheaper to put a CAM on the ISS, than the other locations.
I missed that. THANK YOU!!!!!!
That is damn good news. We really need to know how the body will react on these various gravities. Likewise, it would be nice to know if there is a minimal amount of gravity that will keep the body from the degradation. Maybe something as simple as 1/10G would cut it, which would make it pretty damn simple to design that in a Mars bound craft.
Personally, I am in hopes that we will restore the CAM. AMS could have occurred on the planet, but ISS is also nice. BUT, CAM can ONLY happen in micro grav. That is the one thing that ISS can really deliver; tell us how we will do in space, on the moon, or on mars. But, W killed it. Hopefully, Bolden has enough brains to make that a top priority once he has sorted through the coming nightmare over the budget.
Here is a clue for you. ALL NATIONS SPY ON EACH OTHER. France is WELL known for spying on America. So is Germany. In fact, so is the UK. This goes on ALL THE TIME. NO gov. wants to be surprised by another ESP. those that are considered our friends.
What we (as in western govs.) typically do not do, is spy on high-level gov. information (i.e. we do not listen to presidents/prime ministers; though there have been exceptions, some that were big mistakes).
Nor, do we spill out closed info on each other.
Finally, we do not use it against each other.
We really need the first manned missions to mars to be one-way. They need to have a base there, with power available, and plenty of supplies stored as well as sent. But, the first group should be there for over a decade before we even talk about bringing anybody back. And that is if they want to come back. But, if there is a chance of life there, we need to know that it will not kill us all. If nothing else, think about how invasive species have been here.
W had killed the shuttle and bought rides on Air Russia several years ago. Basically, whether we go up with China, or on an extended Shuttle, we will still pay Russia for our seats. OTH, in about 2-3 years, we will have MULTIPLE private launch companies that are doing cargo AND humans, and we will never have this problem again. Sadly, we did this once before. Nixon killed the Apollo systems and then underfunded the Shuttle. We lost skylab because of that foul up.
It said that the CONSTELLATION PROJECT is dead. That is all. It said that NASA was not going to fund building of the orion DIRECTLY. And as to either Ares, NONE OF THE COMPANIES INVOLVED WOULD WANT TO DO THOSE. Heck, even ATK COULD fund it themselves and build it, and capture human contracts RIGHT AWAY. Yet, they will not. The reason? Because it is cheaper to fly spaceX, even Russian, then Ares.
VASIMR. This was originally started by NASA, but the republican congress prohibited NASA from working on it, so they spun it off. VASIMR will require lots of electricity, so, this will require a nuke. But, vasimr is not only feasible, but will probably be the main way that we get around the solar system for some time.
If we have DEVOTED TASKS with known parameters, then robots will excel. Of course, throw in a unexpected change, and then it is anybodies guess. OTH, Humans do a good job of adapting to various conditions. Who knows, maybe down the road, we will send Wild Wendy to do the job and she will do JUST fine.
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As was the insulation. This was simply an issue of poor QC by Italy. I wonder how many other issues are there? Just thankful that poor QC did not cost ppl their lives. OTH, I do wonder who will pay for this.
Tranquility, Cupula AND the insulation were all made in Italy.
Basically, Italy should have tested this in a low atmosphere chamber. Had they done so, then they would have found this issue. This is going to turn out to be BAD QC on Italy's part.
You can thank reagan for that. The nation was prepared to make the switch-over, including road signs, car speedometers, packaging, etc. He was SUCH a bad leader. I can not believe that W chose to emulate him, rather than his father.
Actually, Europe has only Cargo access, which America has heavier lift and if at same rate of subsidies would be cheaper. Russia has announced that they will raise the rate per seat. Last year, they were charging 28 million. For 6 rides over 3 years, we will pay 51 million /seat. Russia has announced in the last day that they will raise it even more. They are talking 100-150 million/seat. That is because of lack of competition.
/seat. If we things right, in 2013, we would pay no more than 20 million. More importantly, we would have multiple locations to go to. How to get the multiple locations? Bigelow Space Stations. That is important to get us to the moon. Once we have multiple stations in leo, and we have relatively cheap access to space, then we can go to the moon.
America is sitting on the edge of a precipice where we get to orbit at a fraction of the current costs: 20 million / seat. WIth a bit of private competition and another space station, costs are expected to drop to 15 million
Much of that same tech is for use in Missiles. This would allow CHina to build faster, more powerful ones to be able to launch multiple neutron bombs. As it is, they have re-started production of these.
First, we are borrowing in no small part because they have their GD money fixed to ours AND have increased trade barriers to our products, dump their products on the west. Per the deal to get Perm. Most Favored Nation AND WTO, they are suppose to do NONE of these things. We need to revoke MFN and then work towards getting WTO revoked as well (that will be difficult, most likely impossible). But if either China obeys their treaties, OR we did the above, we could get our economy back.
He would be given a million dollars and treated as a hero there. THAT is what you want to do? Yeah, please do not throw me in the briar patch.
But we SHOULD sanction the Chinese gov. These are active spies since this is a cold war with us. We are insane for allowing this.
I wish that I had not posted, and instead had chosen to moderate. I would have hit you as a troll or overrated (stupid if I could). America is going back to the moon. This time, we are going back with private space as well as our partners from the ISS, maybe more. I suspect that India and maybe Brazil will be invited. I have little doubt that we will be back on the moon by 2020. And as to these engines, they will be used again for Direct.
If we build Ares V NOW, we will kill NASA and our ability to go the moon. TO jump from 30 MT to leo to sending 188 MT to leo is expensive and foolish. Instead of launching 1-2 PER month, we will end up launching 2-3 times a year. BIG WASTE. What we really want is to build up our space infrastructure so that we are launching 2-5x EACH MONTH. From there, when we are ready to go to the moon, we need to have a LV that can do 70MT/leo. That is what Direct Jupiter (which uses the SSME) would have. Once we have more than just boots on the moon (as in setting down a base), THEN we need to have constellation caliber. BUT, if we build Ares V today, it KILLS the moon.
I agree. I think that we SHOULD bring it back. This was not about economic spying. This is to develop new rockets, NEW MISSILES. This is about WEAPONRY. The man should be hung AND it should be televised. This is somebody that openly betrays all Americans, in fact, Westerners. I have little need for this kind of trash.
If somebody is arrested, then they will either be held, or be released. If released, then they will be either released on their own, OR they have to post a bail. The bail says that if you skip the process, that you forfeit the money. Now, families can chose to put up the car, the house, etc for the bail. BUT, if that person skips out, then those things are forfeit. That is NOT making somebody else responsible for the sins. That is somebody else saying that I took responsibility and did not do a good job. And NO, they do not arrest other family members or make things up. /. LOVE to make things up. Obviously you are one of those. Basically, you have shown that you have no sense of ethics. I am guessing that you are a registered neo-con.
OTH, ACs on
I was under impression that we already paid them to bring up the number of launches. In particular, I thought that we paid them several years ago to keep the levels up for several years.
The real question is not just how we will do on these planets, but what is the minimum to keep us from having longterm damage. As I wrote to fleaplus, it is possible that 1/10 G (less than mars or moon, but more than ceres) would be enough to keep our bones and muscles in OK shape. If so, then a craft is easy to design. In the end, it does not matter. Far far cheaper to put a CAM on the ISS, than the other locations.
I missed that. THANK YOU!!!!!! That is damn good news. We really need to know how the body will react on these various gravities. Likewise, it would be nice to know if there is a minimal amount of gravity that will keep the body from the degradation. Maybe something as simple as 1/10G would cut it, which would make it pretty damn simple to design that in a Mars bound craft.
Personally, I am in hopes that we will restore the CAM. AMS could have occurred on the planet, but ISS is also nice. BUT, CAM can ONLY happen in micro grav. That is the one thing that ISS can really deliver; tell us how we will do in space, on the moon, or on mars. But, W killed it. Hopefully, Bolden has enough brains to make that a top priority once he has sorted through the coming nightmare over the budget.
The reason is that we NEED others to check the work. Look, I have little doubt that this is occurring. BUT, this really needs to be checked.
Here is a clue for you. ALL NATIONS SPY ON EACH OTHER. France is WELL known for spying on America. So is Germany. In fact, so is the UK. This goes on ALL THE TIME. NO gov. wants to be surprised by another ESP. those that are considered our friends. What we (as in western govs.) typically do not do, is spy on high-level gov. information (i.e. we do not listen to presidents/prime ministers; though there have been exceptions, some that were big mistakes). Nor, do we spill out closed info on each other. Finally, we do not use it against each other.
We really need the first manned missions to mars to be one-way. They need to have a base there, with power available, and plenty of supplies stored as well as sent. But, the first group should be there for over a decade before we even talk about bringing anybody back. And that is if they want to come back. But, if there is a chance of life there, we need to know that it will not kill us all. If nothing else, think about how invasive species have been here.
W had killed the shuttle and bought rides on Air Russia several years ago. Basically, whether we go up with China, or on an extended Shuttle, we will still pay Russia for our seats. OTH, in about 2-3 years, we will have MULTIPLE private launch companies that are doing cargo AND humans, and we will never have this problem again. Sadly, we did this once before. Nixon killed the Apollo systems and then underfunded the Shuttle. We lost skylab because of that foul up.
And Oprah was associated to be with ET. Sadly, my statement was more intelligent than yours.
It said that the CONSTELLATION PROJECT is dead. That is all. It said that NASA was not going to fund building of the orion DIRECTLY. And as to either Ares, NONE OF THE COMPANIES INVOLVED WOULD WANT TO DO THOSE. Heck, even ATK COULD fund it themselves and build it, and capture human contracts RIGHT AWAY. Yet, they will not. The reason? Because it is cheaper to fly spaceX, even Russian, then Ares.
If we have the power, a 7 to 9 month trip would be in 1.5 month. That is less than 40 days, compared to many months.
VASIMR. This was originally started by NASA, but the republican congress prohibited NASA from working on it, so they spun it off. VASIMR will require lots of electricity, so, this will require a nuke. But, vasimr is not only feasible, but will probably be the main way that we get around the solar system for some time.
Aim it at Mars. They need it.
If we have DEVOTED TASKS with known parameters, then robots will excel. Of course, throw in a unexpected change, and then it is anybodies guess. OTH, Humans do a good job of adapting to various conditions. Who knows, maybe down the road, we will send Wild Wendy to do the job and she will do JUST fine.
SO, he was likely bullied as a kid, eh?