Keep in mind that KDE 4.0 was meant to be used by developers. It was not user level. The hope was that by giving it a.0, that it would encourage app developers, but discourage regular users. After all that is what seems to happen in the windows world. But I think that Linux has more in common with Apple than with Window; That is that users put more trust in it.
Hopefully, PCMag and a few others MS backed will do so. Of course, that would mean that they are giving it credence and I doubt that MS will allow that.
That argument is the same one as saying that wind generators wipe out the birds or that CFL have mercury in them.
Yes, SOME wind generators have killed birds (esp one in CA). But over all have not. More important, these are MUCH better on birds than the pollution being put out by coal plants.
The same issue with the mercury in CFL. The CFL has a small amount of Mercury, but FAR FAR less than what is put out by a CLEAN coal plant using a regular bulb.
The geo-thermal requires anywhere from 1 to a 100 holes. But there are plenty of dried wells in places like Colorado that make a great low-temp place (esp, since many wells were already drilled close). Secondly, oil pulls up the exact same sediments. In fact worse, because most are drilling FAR deeper these days. But by using a closed system, esp. with binaries, the pollution on the land and in the air is gone. So that leaves just that below. And since the way of the hole is piping, you really do not interfere with the local water table (barring a shallow heat reservoir). As to the multiple holes, that is also a none issue. Slant drilling works wonders. A single pad with 5 holes will do the trick. Even the EPA says it is one of the cleanest form of energy.
When it is a closed system, that I would call that clean. The problem occurs when you extract the water and dispose of it on the surface. When it is in the ground, extracted, use for heat, and then re-injected back into the ground, I would say that is clean. OTH, some of these do not operate in that fashion. For example, the one in CA uses waste water from local towns to inject in the ground producing steam. That steam is allowed to flow out. That will pick up the local compounds and send it in the air. But chena and most of the other Geo-thermals re-inject.
Actually, I came up with that one back in 1980. We were driving to Denver from Ft. Collins to cash an education check (weird back then). OTW, we had a case of coors light between us (it was a DIFFERENT time) and started telling wyoming jokes and literally a truck-load full of sheep passed us. Thought that one up on the spot.
Hmmm. So, do a limited resource which is totally unknown, but best estimates of oil are around 10 BBL. IOW, it is just a couple of years worth of oil for America. The humorous part of this is that the oil will simply be sold to Japan or some other place. How long will it last? Maybe 10-20 years. Max. For comparisons, purdhoe bay had 25 bbls. And it is finally running out after 30 years. So, we pump about 1 BBL/year from there.
And you think that a simple 10BBL is worth a great deal more to Alaska than using their volcanos to generate electricity for the next 100 years? If developed, The YEARLY power available from these will exceed the TOTAL power that WAS stored in purdhoe bay. As to the env, you HAVE to be kidding.Geo-thermal is one of the cleanest forms of energy that we have. Obviously, you need to circulate the water back in. But that is not hard. Heck, if done right, this power can be used to power a train acorss Alaska to Russia (via tunnel). It would allow development of the area. And they would still be able to export energy back to Russia, Canada, and the northwest.
And you still push oil? Hmmmm.
Allow that to heat a different carrier,and you have a binary system. That approach is used in Chena Alaska. It allows for lower temps to work. But to be honest, I have been wondering about Johnson's system. Seems like that would do a better job since it bypasses large mechanical systems.
Some major right-wing relgious group did in fact install a geo-thermal. But it was shut down. They chose to use direct steam, which potentially would drain the water that feeds old faithful. But I think that a binary system would make sense. That way, the heat is used, not the water.
Yeah, I have wondered the same thing. It seems that if you lower the temps, it might make it better. Of course, it could make it worse. But hey, do research during the time that we are taking the heat.
I have been suggesting that for Colorado for several years saying that we could own the market. And when I mentioned that here, I was told not a chance since the volcano's are so far south. If they were smart, they would create an x-prize for alaskan companies that build the equipment. This way they end up creating not just cheap electricity, but also multiple manufacturing companies.
I have talked to one person that has a brother that has gone to work at Bigelow. He says that place is a mess. But he is young and he only worked at adam air. I need to find out new info and see what he thinks of it now. Personally, I am a fan of it and have worked in start-ups often enough that I know that they can appear to be a total mess.
As to SS3, I would really like to see that happen soon. There have been rumors that they are actually building it as well. But more than several ppl here who are full blow rocket scientists (I am not), tell me that it will be a LOT of work. I am not certain how much it really will be, but it makes sense. The hyperX may be off a ways in terms of time. Until then, I suspect that they will use some regular engine. It would be interesting for them to approach spacex about 1 of theirs, perhaps a single merlin could do the trick.
They have launched 2x. The first was a TOTAL failure ( spectacularly ). The 2'nd was an almost that need not achieve final speed needed due to engine cut-out. For Falcon costs.
The souyez is all over the baord, but consider that Russia is saying that they will charge America 50 Mill to launch a single astronaut, while spacex is saying 7 for less than 100 million.
And what does their oil profit or stock prices have to do with this? The simple fact is, the longer that the price is high AND ppl have the perception that it is high, the more money will dump into moving us off oil. Ppl like Pickens have already decided that oil will remain high down the long run. Fools will see the price drop shortly, listen to a neo-con that speaks of drilling off-shore and will turn around and buy a hummer h1.
It is very likely that states or even the next president will be smart and add a small tax to keep the price of gas high, but not killing us. By doing that, they let ppl know that they MUST adjust.
Send those to Jupiter or Mercury. I want mars for us. In fact, I am trying to get my young children interested in space. While I suspect that we are about to be back at a space race, I would like to think that it is not required to get our society to do the right thing.
The broken window fallacy is about replacing one window with another window and having the side re-investment of money. Instead, this is the fundamentals of econ. That is, when something is perceived as being too high price, it gets replaced when the first low costs item can do so.
The longer that Oil stays high priced, the faster that VC money will head into AE. Do nto believe it? Look at Kyoto. More nations have spent a load of money trying to AVOID being constrained by it. Only in the last are VC's spending some real money on AE. Why? Because the costs of energy is up.
I do have to say that I would like to see oil stay above $100/bl fro the next year. Of course, it will easily remain that high as W. and Iran keep playing verbal games leading to price increases that support both Iran and W's favorites oil companies.
Johnson Thermoelectric Energy Conversion System?
Seriously, this one is being developed to operate at lower temps. I wonder if this new one will work better or not? But it sure would be useful to add one (or both) of these to say power plants to absorb some of the heat and continue generating more electricity.
They should have had you on the mission? I am sure that you really would have expected the exact kind of conditions that they had. After all, being nearly 2x as far from the sun, in the middle of winter, you might be more worried about hardness of items rather than stickiness, but that is just me. To be honest, I seriously doubt that you or the other ludites could even get a rock off this planet let alone deliver something to another planet.
BTW, if NASA is SOOO incompetent, why do they have a much better record at delivering vehicles to other planets than ANY other group? Me, I have my issues with them, but I have worked on a small part of MGS and know that there is a lot involved. These folks are doing good work.
this was tested in all sorts of areas around the earth. To make something like this IS difficult. It is part of the reason why I really want to see us on mars. Once we are there, all the exploration will continue to be by robotics. It is just that ppl on the planet will put these systems together as well as fix them. I suspect that the fun jobs will still be handled by ppl on earth.
There could be other compounds in the ice that is helping it to do these actions. I would think that this is going to be very interesting IFF they can get some in the oven.
W. pissed off the russians, but the next president is far more likely to see the advantage of working together. All in all, we have learned things from Russia, and Russia has learned from us, and perhaps more important, the other nations (EU, Japan, Canada) have also learned to work together as well as develop some fo their own tech. When it comes to going to the moon/mars, I see three major efforts.
China; who said originally that long march 5 would be ready in 2014, is now in testing. That alone should be of interest to the West.
America/Russia/EU/Japan/Canada,and will probably Australia and India as well, will join together to pursue the moon and mars.
American private enterprise combined with support from our DOD will hit the moon the soonest.
The last warrents more explanations. The DOD wants up their before China gets there. They are already dumping money into spacex and bigelow (Spacex is missing launches, but they are there). My guess is that either Armadillo or Blue origin will join the effort for a lunar transport (I think BO will get the nod due to secrecy). I suspect that Spacex will be given a contract shortly after falcon 9 flies to build the BFR. I would further guess that the initial RD will be done elsewhere perhaps even Kwajalein. These folks will be going there before 2016.
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KDE 4.0 was not suppose to be prime time. It has ALWAYS been intended for developers only. Sadly, ppl were not reading.
Keep in mind that KDE 4.0 was meant to be used by developers. It was not user level. The hope was that by giving it a .0, that it would encourage app developers, but discourage regular users. After all that is what seems to happen in the windows world. But I think that Linux has more in common with Apple than with Window; That is that users put more trust in it.
Hopefully, PCMag and a few others MS backed will do so. Of course, that would mean that they are giving it credence and I doubt that MS will allow that.
List their damn names. I will be sending in my money on this.
Hmmm. According to this url, http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:WMC1DDZdIAIJ:www.netl.doe.gov/publications/proceedings/97/97cct/cct_pdf/97CCP1_2.PDF+standard+generator+using+coal+efficieny&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us&client=firefox-a, current coal is at 40% efficieny, and the industry is shooting for 45%.
If johnson really is 60%, they have the nod. But of course, the PEM is the issue.
That argument is the same one as saying that wind generators wipe out the birds or that CFL have mercury in them.
Yes, SOME wind generators have killed birds (esp one in CA). But over all have not. More important, these are MUCH better on birds than the pollution being put out by coal plants.
The same issue with the mercury in CFL. The CFL has a small amount of Mercury, but FAR FAR less than what is put out by a CLEAN coal plant using a regular bulb.
The geo-thermal requires anywhere from 1 to a 100 holes. But there are plenty of dried wells in places like Colorado that make a great low-temp place (esp, since many wells were already drilled close). Secondly, oil pulls up the exact same sediments. In fact worse, because most are drilling FAR deeper these days. But by using a closed system, esp. with binaries, the pollution on the land and in the air is gone. So that leaves just that below. And since the way of the hole is piping, you really do not interfere with the local water table (barring a shallow heat reservoir). As to the multiple holes, that is also a none issue. Slant drilling works wonders. A single pad with 5 holes will do the trick. Even the EPA says it is one of the cleanest form of energy.
When it is a closed system, that I would call that clean. The problem occurs when you extract the water and dispose of it on the surface. When it is in the ground, extracted, use for heat, and then re-injected back into the ground, I would say that is clean. OTH, some of these do not operate in that fashion. For example, the one in CA uses waste water from local towns to inject in the ground producing steam. That steam is allowed to flow out. That will pick up the local compounds and send it in the air. But chena and most of the other Geo-thermals re-inject.
Actually, I came up with that one back in 1980. We were driving to Denver from Ft. Collins to cash an education check (weird back then). OTW, we had a case of coors light between us (it was a DIFFERENT time) and started telling wyoming jokes and literally a truck-load full of sheep passed us. Thought that one up on the spot.
Hmmm. So, do a limited resource which is totally unknown, but best estimates of oil are around 10 BBL. IOW, it is just a couple of years worth of oil for America. The humorous part of this is that the oil will simply be sold to Japan or some other place. How long will it last? Maybe 10-20 years. Max. For comparisons, purdhoe bay had 25 bbls. And it is finally running out after 30 years. So, we pump about 1 BBL/year from there.
And you think that a simple 10BBL is worth a great deal more to Alaska than using their volcanos to generate electricity for the next 100 years? If developed, The YEARLY power available from these will exceed the TOTAL power that WAS stored in purdhoe bay. As to the env, you HAVE to be kidding.Geo-thermal is one of the cleanest forms of energy that we have. Obviously, you need to circulate the water back in. But that is not hard. Heck, if done right, this power can be used to power a train acorss Alaska to Russia (via tunnel). It would allow development of the area. And they would still be able to export energy back to Russia, Canada, and the northwest.
And you still push oil? Hmmmm.
Allow that to heat a different carrier,and you have a binary system. That approach is used in Chena Alaska. It allows for lower temps to work. But to be honest, I have been wondering about Johnson's system. Seems like that would do a better job since it bypasses large mechanical systems.
Some major right-wing relgious group did in fact install a geo-thermal. But it was shut down. They chose to use direct steam, which potentially would drain the water that feeds old faithful. But I think that a binary system would make sense. That way, the heat is used, not the water.
Yeah, I have wondered the same thing. It seems that if you lower the temps, it might make it better. Of course, it could make it worse. But hey, do research during the time that we are taking the heat.
I have been suggesting that for Colorado for several years saying that we could own the market. And when I mentioned that here, I was told not a chance since the volcano's are so far south. If they were smart, they would create an x-prize for alaskan companies that build the equipment. This way they end up creating not just cheap electricity, but also multiple manufacturing companies.
I have talked to one person that has a brother that has gone to work at Bigelow. He says that place is a mess. But he is young and he only worked at adam air. I need to find out new info and see what he thinks of it now.
Personally, I am a fan of it and have worked in start-ups often enough that I know that they can appear to be a total mess.
As to SS3, I would really like to see that happen soon. There have been rumors that they are actually building it as well. But more than several ppl here who are full blow rocket scientists (I am not), tell me that it will be a LOT of work. I am not certain how much it really will be, but it makes sense. The hyperX may be off a ways in terms of time. Until then, I suspect that they will use some regular engine. It would be interesting for them to approach spacex about 1 of theirs, perhaps a single merlin could do the trick.
They have launched 2x. The first was a TOTAL failure ( spectacularly ). The 2'nd was an almost that need not achieve final speed needed due to engine cut-out.
For Falcon costs.
The souyez is all over the baord, but consider that Russia is saying that they will charge America 50 Mill to launch a single astronaut, while spacex is saying 7 for less than 100 million.
And what does their oil profit or stock prices have to do with this? The simple fact is, the longer that the price is high AND ppl have the perception that it is high, the more money will dump into moving us off oil. Ppl like Pickens have already decided that oil will remain high down the long run. Fools will see the price drop shortly, listen to a neo-con that speaks of drilling off-shore and will turn around and buy a hummer h1.
It is very likely that states or even the next president will be smart and add a small tax to keep the price of gas high, but not killing us. By doing that, they let ppl know that they MUST adjust.
We can use all of these.
Send those to Jupiter or Mercury. I want mars for us. In fact, I am trying to get my young children interested in space. While I suspect that we are about to be back at a space race, I would like to think that it is not required to get our society to do the right thing.
The broken window fallacy is about replacing one window with another window and having the side re-investment of money. Instead, this is the fundamentals of econ. That is, when something is perceived as being too high price, it gets replaced when the first low costs item can do so.
The longer that Oil stays high priced, the faster that VC money will head into AE. Do nto believe it? Look at Kyoto. More nations have spent a load of money trying to AVOID being constrained by it. Only in the last are VC's spending some real money on AE. Why? Because the costs of energy is up.
I do have to say that I would like to see oil stay above $100/bl fro the next year. Of course, it will easily remain that high as W. and Iran keep playing verbal games leading to price increases that support both Iran and W's favorites oil companies.
Johnson Thermoelectric Energy Conversion System? Seriously, this one is being developed to operate at lower temps. I wonder if this new one will work better or not? But it sure would be useful to add one (or both) of these to say power plants to absorb some of the heat and continue generating more electricity.
E=MC^2.
40 lbs coming in the RIGHT fashion from orbit, can do a LOT of damage.
They should have had you on the mission? I am sure that you really would have expected the exact kind of conditions that they had. After all, being nearly 2x as far from the sun, in the middle of winter, you might be more worried about hardness of items rather than stickiness, but that is just me. To be honest, I seriously doubt that you or the other ludites could even get a rock off this planet let alone deliver something to another planet.
BTW, if NASA is SOOO incompetent, why do they have a much better record at delivering vehicles to other planets than ANY other group? Me, I have my issues with them, but I have worked on a small part of MGS and know that there is a lot involved. These folks are doing good work.
this was tested in all sorts of areas around the earth. To make something like this IS difficult. It is part of the reason why I really want to see us on mars. Once we are there, all the exploration will continue to be by robotics. It is just that ppl on the planet will put these systems together as well as fix them. I suspect that the fun jobs will still be handled by ppl on earth.
There could be other compounds in the ice that is helping it to do these actions. I would think that this is going to be very interesting IFF they can get some in the oven.
The last warrents more explanations. The DOD wants up their before China gets there. They are already dumping money into spacex and bigelow (Spacex is missing launches, but they are there). My guess is that either Armadillo or Blue origin will join the effort for a lunar transport (I think BO will get the nod due to secrecy). I suspect that Spacex will be given a contract shortly after falcon 9 flies to build the BFR. I would further guess that the initial RD will be done elsewhere perhaps even Kwajalein. These folks will be going there before 2016.