The electricity to recharge them is still mostly generated from coal-fired power plants, so even if the cars themselves aren't emitting as much carbon dioxide, the eplants providing the power for them are.
Depends on where you are at. In America, on average, we are below 30% coal. Some areas, like COlorado is around 48% coal. W. Virginia is some 60% coal.
IIRC, California, Oregon, Wash, etc are less than 10% coal.
And with Nuscale nuclear SMR going in in 2021, we will finally see fast replacement for the old coal/nat gas plants that remain. Yes, that will leave us a number of new nat gas plants, and some new coal plants, but by 2030, we will have less than 5% coal, and probably less than 25% nat gas. The coal plants will be as clean as any other coal plant on this planet, but will still be dirty, and high emitter. Still, America's emissions should be exceptionally low by then.
will, the only nations that have applied carbon taxes are those that were already headed down. As such, there is no decent study that proves that taxes as you describe as being useful.
And far too many govs will actually cheat on those taxes. Eastern Europe claimed all sorts of planting of trees and then it turned out not a 1 was planted. And western Europe KNEW that was the case.
That is why, it is far better for nations to put a CO2 tax on all consumed goods/services (i.e.no taxes on goods/services that are sold to another nation, though they would be smart to have it on ).
give me a fucking break.
Taxes are NOT tyranny.
Fuck, we have more tyranny from trump/today's GOP, than what carbon taxes would be.
The real issue is that they do not WORK. The reason is that gov, including Europe's, claim that they will work to do something, but, they will all cut corners.
THis will ONLY work, when we tax each other based on where the WORST parts/services come from.
In addition, we have to make sure that we have the same precision of measurement across all nations. The ONLY way to do that, is with satellites. RIght now, we need OCO3 to be added to the current Japanese/American matrix in order to get decent numbers. This way we know what goes in and comes out of nations (both are important).
Then we have to have a decent normalization. emissions per capitia is about as stupid as they come since ppl do not make the choices. As such, emissions per land mass or even better yet, emissions per $ GDP, is the way to go. Keep in mind that residential accounts for less than 20% of CO2. 80+% is from businesses/gov.
And we need to start including the CO2 emissions from shipping boats. Turns out that some of these are so bad that 16 of them emit more than all the trucks/cars on the globe.
Finally. A decent post. Solar/wind is good, but no nation should count on just these, even with storage. They all need decent baseload powers such as hydro, Geothermal, and nuke.
Seriously, the single worst source of Co2 is coal, with the second worst being cargo ships. The reason is that most power plants are going to be kept going for a minimum of 30 years and up to 60 years. China is now building plants all over the world and these will not be shut down until 2060 at the earliest, if not 2080. Keep in mind that these are more coal plants than the entire west has today. And even at it's best, these will emit out at 2-3x co2 what a Nat gas plant does. And that does not include the rest of their pollution such as lead, Mercury, uranium, etc.
Until we stop adding new coal and Nat gas plants, things will only get worse.
This is why America really needs to tax all of our consumed goods/services based on where the worst part comes from. To do this, we need to add oco3 sat to precisely measure co2 flow in/out of nations. Then normalize based on emissions / $ GDP. If every nation and business knows that the world's largest importer will have an increasing tax based on co2, then both will clean up. In addition, no nation will want to add fossil fuel plants.
Trump/Pence/most of admin staff will hopefully go to prison for treason. However, we have already seen what will happen.
Come the next GOP president, s?he will pardon Trump's mess.
It will be no different than O commuting Manning (and out and out traitor), along with Lopez Rivera, or Trump pardoning Arpario, Libby, .
Have to admit that part of me likes the Saudi, Chinese approach to justice. Cheap Bullet and in public.
Seriously, Walmart/Target management are the ones behind having Chinese copy American patented goods. BUT, conservatives judges want to blame the manufacturer who was contacted by Walmart/Target to build such items. In fact,the 7-9 manufacturers that work for these 2 companies are the ones that likely made the hoover boards, which were copies of an American company.
At what point do American companies get held responsible since the CHinese, and in general, all non-western companies, are not.
I'm good with helping getting new reactors off the ground. We need baseload power, but it needs to be clean. That means more hydro, Geothermal, and nuclear.
But the idea that we should continue to subsidize old nuclear and coal is plain foolish.
It used to be that DARPA and DOD hired ppl directly. Starting under reagan, we had the big push to move towards contracting which is now an economic nightmare. In addition, we really should have a number of scientists on-board working on various new tech.
Seriously, this is why we need to kill off H1Bs, and instead, do greencards. If we need ppl here for tech, then they should be allowed to stay.
Secondly, we need to restore our education system that we had before Clinton/W got ahold of it. Not everybody is cut out for college. Look at CHina/Europe/Japan. In America, we require nearly all students to take our tests such as GRE, ACT, SAT, etc. Elsewhere, by soph year, they have weeded out those that will go to college and those that will not. The ones not going will follow down a blue-collar path and learn various trades. We need to do the same here. there is nothing wrong with learning a trade, esp. when we need them.
Third, we really should do more teaching of the trades in the military. In particular, right now, in the last 6 months before getting out, have them return stateside, take up classes and do work on the base.
CFCs are 100% man-made. They are NOT found in nature. If they had been in nature, our ozone layer would be gone already.
In addition, if you read on some of the other articles, esp. going back to the papers, you will see that we are talking 1000's of tonnes. In addition, it is 10s of TONNES at a time. If this was manufacturing-related such as for foam, it would be constant for multiple days or weeks. It is known that this is being done over a period of a couple of hours to a day long. Then apparently no usage for a bit.
I was not think of the fridge itself to be releasing, but the manufacturer.
However, the amounts that they have picked up goes well beyond that small amount of manufacturing.
It is something being done on a large scale, with a large release at a time.
That is why I suggested the railguns.
Possibly foam, but that would indicate that it is in constant use. This is in puffs. large quantity puffs. As in, somebody had a reason to make heavy use of it for an hour or a day.
Like I said, CFC are not natural (i.e. these are NOT made by nature) so can NOT be released by volcano since they do not exists in the wild. Nor are CFCs used in geothermal wells. Pointing to an article that says the magma is covering a well, means nothing. In fact, the magma SEALED the well
Finally, Hawaii itself is a series of volcanoes and not a 1 is more than 1 Million years old. Kilauea it self is around 500,000 year+-.
Slim chance that it is India. India never produced it. WHy would they start it up now?
The only 2 that are likely would be Russia or CHina.
And while Russia DID produce it, they are far enough north that they do not want the ozone layer being hit. In addition, Russia does not manufacture and export large amounts of goods
This is about 99% certain to be China. It is likely some major company there that is producing smaller refregerators.
The ONLY other reason for producing this would be to cool weapons such as a rail gun. In which case, it is being done for the CHinese gov. and they simply use large volumes of CFC-11 to run over the rails and then rather than cool it, just dump it, and keep pumping more CFC-11 over the rails..
I would say that we will see shortly, but this has been going on for 4 years. Not good.
1883: Wellington Adams of St Louis, Missouri files the first patent for an electric hub motor, which he suggests will prove useful for the "propulsion of railroad-cars and to the operation of light machinery of various kinds—for instance, sewing machines and dental instruments."
1895: Ogden Bolton of Ohio patents an electric bicycle with a front-wheel hub motor.
1900: Professor Ferdinand Porsche develops the Lohner Porsche, the world's first hybrid electric car, with a hub motor in each of the front wheels. Each motor produces 2kW of power (2.7 horsepower).
1947: James J. Tooley patents an airplane landing wheel incorporating a hub motor.
1962: T.G. Wilson of Duke University and P.H. Trickey of Wright Machinery Co. unveil what they describe as a DC Machine with Solid-State Commutation (in other words, a motor with an electronic instead of mechanical commutator). This is the first brushless DC motor.
1971 and 1972: The Apollo Lunar Rover, the first electric car in space, drives across the Moon. Although not a hub motor vehicle, it popularizes the idea of vehicles whose four wheels are driven by independent motors.
1980s: Robert Lordo of Powertron is granted US Patent 4,453,097: Permanent magnet DC motor with magnets recessed into motor frame, a high-powered brushless DC motor.
Other than Porsche, all of this is USA. Tooley is from OK.
To this date, nobody has developed hub motors with decent torque. As such, only Honda and Rimac are using hub-motors. And they are not concerned about pulling loads or overheating.
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The electricity to recharge them is still mostly generated from coal-fired power plants, so even if the cars themselves aren't emitting as much carbon dioxide, the eplants providing the power for them are.
Depends on where you are at. In America, on average, we are below 30% coal. Some areas, like COlorado is around 48% coal. W. Virginia is some 60% coal.
IIRC, California, Oregon, Wash, etc are less than 10% coal.
And with Nuscale nuclear SMR going in in 2021, we will finally see fast replacement for the old coal/nat gas plants that remain. Yes, that will leave us a number of new nat gas plants, and some new coal plants, but by 2030, we will have less than 5% coal, and probably less than 25% nat gas. The coal plants will be as clean as any other coal plant on this planet, but will still be dirty, and high emitter. Still, America's emissions should be exceptionally low by then.
will, the only nations that have applied carbon taxes are those that were already headed down. As such, there is no decent study that proves that taxes as you describe as being useful.
And far too many govs will actually cheat on those taxes. Eastern Europe claimed all sorts of planting of trees and then it turned out not a 1 was planted. And western Europe KNEW that was the case.
That is why, it is far better for nations to put a CO2 tax on all consumed goods/services (i.e.no taxes on goods/services that are sold to another nation, though they would be smart to have it on ).
give me a fucking break.
Taxes are NOT tyranny.
Fuck, we have more tyranny from trump/today's GOP, than what carbon taxes would be.
The real issue is that they do not WORK. The reason is that gov, including Europe's, claim that they will work to do something, but, they will all cut corners.
THis will ONLY work, when we tax each other based on where the WORST parts/services come from.
In addition, we have to make sure that we have the same precision of measurement across all nations. The ONLY way to do that, is with satellites. RIght now, we need OCO3 to be added to the current Japanese/American matrix in order to get decent numbers. This way we know what goes in and comes out of nations (both are important).
Then we have to have a decent normalization. emissions per capitia is about as stupid as they come since ppl do not make the choices. As such, emissions per land mass or even better yet, emissions per $ GDP, is the way to go. Keep in mind that residential accounts for less than 20% of CO2. 80+% is from businesses/gov.
And we need to start including the CO2 emissions from shipping boats. Turns out that some of these are so bad that 16 of them emit more than all the trucks/cars on the globe.
how would you implement carbon taxes?
Finally. A decent post. Solar/wind is good, but no nation should count on just these, even with storage. They all need decent baseload powers such as hydro, Geothermal, and nuke.
Seriously, the single worst source of Co2 is coal, with the second worst being cargo ships. The reason is that most power plants are going to be kept going for a minimum of 30 years and up to 60 years. China is now building plants all over the world and these will not be shut down until 2060 at the earliest, if not 2080. Keep in mind that these are more coal plants than the entire west has today. And even at it's best, these will emit out at 2-3x co2 what a Nat gas plant does. And that does not include the rest of their pollution such as lead, Mercury, uranium, etc. Until we stop adding new coal and Nat gas plants, things will only get worse. This is why America really needs to tax all of our consumed goods/services based on where the worst part comes from. To do this, we need to add oco3 sat to precisely measure co2 flow in/out of nations. Then normalize based on emissions / $ GDP. If every nation and business knows that the world's largest importer will have an increasing tax based on co2, then both will clean up. In addition, no nation will want to add fossil fuel plants.
No, but CONgress (both GOP and Dems) will make certain that we bail out coal, oil, and even car makers again.
Trump/Pence/most of admin staff will hopefully go to prison for treason. However, we have already seen what will happen. Come the next GOP president, s?he will pardon Trump's mess.
It will be no different than O commuting Manning (and out and out traitor), along with Lopez Rivera, or Trump pardoning Arpario, Libby, .
Have to admit that part of me likes the Saudi, Chinese approach to justice. Cheap Bullet and in public.
Seriously, Walmart/Target management are the ones behind having Chinese copy American patented goods. BUT, conservatives judges want to blame the manufacturer who was contacted by Walmart/Target to build such items.
In fact,the 7-9 manufacturers that work for these 2 companies are the ones that likely made the hoover boards, which were copies of an American company.
At what point do American companies get held responsible since the CHinese, and in general, all non-western companies, are not.
I'm good with helping getting new reactors off the ground. We need baseload power, but it needs to be clean. That means more hydro, Geothermal, and nuclear.
But the idea that we should continue to subsidize old nuclear and coal is plain foolish.
It used to be that DARPA and DOD hired ppl directly. Starting under reagan, we had the big push to move towards contracting which is now an economic nightmare. In addition, we really should have a number of scientists on-board working on various new tech.
that will depend on if the execs are doing it for the Chinese gov or not.
If they are using this for cooling railguns, then no.
Seriously, this is why we need to kill off H1Bs, and instead, do greencards. If we need ppl here for tech, then they should be allowed to stay.
Secondly, we need to restore our education system that we had before Clinton/W got ahold of it. Not everybody is cut out for college. Look at CHina/Europe/Japan. In America, we require nearly all students to take our tests such as GRE, ACT, SAT, etc. Elsewhere, by soph year, they have weeded out those that will go to college and those that will not. The ones not going will follow down a blue-collar path and learn various trades. We need to do the same here. there is nothing wrong with learning a trade, esp. when we need them.
Third, we really should do more teaching of the trades in the military. In particular, right now, in the last 6 months before getting out, have them return stateside, take up classes and do work on the base.
yes. I have little doubt that you have never heard the term hub motor. It would explain many of your postings.
CFCs are 100% man-made. They are NOT found in nature. If they had been in nature, our ozone layer would be gone already.
In addition, if you read on some of the other articles, esp. going back to the papers, you will see that we are talking 1000's of tonnes. In addition, it is 10s of TONNES at a time. If this was manufacturing-related such as for foam, it would be constant for multiple days or weeks. It is known that this is being done over a period of a couple of hours to a day long. Then apparently no usage for a bit.
I was not think of the fridge itself to be releasing, but the manufacturer.
However, the amounts that they have picked up goes well beyond that small amount of manufacturing.
It is something being done on a large scale, with a large release at a time.
That is why I suggested the railguns.
Possibly foam, but that would indicate that it is in constant use. This is in puffs. large quantity puffs. As in, somebody had a reason to make heavy use of it for an hour or a day.
Like I said, CFC are not natural (i.e. these are NOT made by nature) so can NOT be released by volcano since they do not exists in the wild. Nor are CFCs used in geothermal wells. Pointing to an article that says the magma is covering a well, means nothing. In fact, the magma SEALED the well
Finally, Hawaii itself is a series of volcanoes and not a 1 is more than 1 Million years old. Kilauea it self is around 500,000 year+-.
detected 4 years ago. And volcanoes do NOT release CFCs nor are they used in geothermal electricity production.
Theory shot.
lol.
Yeah, I thought of the same film. Only now, he needs to go to China, where 1/3 to 1/2 of co2 alone comes from.
No, they have already figured out that it is WAY TOO MUCH to be coming from consumers. This is VERY LARGE scale.
Slim chance that it is India. India never produced it. WHy would they start it up now?
The only 2 that are likely would be Russia or CHina.
And while Russia DID produce it, they are far enough north that they do not want the ozone layer being hit. In addition, Russia does not manufacture and export large amounts of goods
This is about 99% certain to be China. It is likely some major company there that is producing smaller refregerators.
The ONLY other reason for producing this would be to cool weapons such as a rail gun. In which case, it is being done for the CHinese gov. and they simply use large volumes of CFC-11 to run over the rails and then rather than cool it, just dump it, and keep pumping more CFC-11 over the rails..
I would say that we will see shortly, but this has been going on for 4 years. Not good.
1883: Wellington Adams of St Louis, Missouri files the first patent for an electric hub motor, which he suggests will prove useful for the "propulsion of railroad-cars and to the operation of light machinery of various kinds—for instance, sewing machines and dental instruments."
1895: Ogden Bolton of Ohio patents an electric bicycle with a front-wheel hub motor.
1900: Professor Ferdinand Porsche develops the Lohner Porsche, the world's first hybrid electric car, with a hub motor in each of the front wheels. Each motor produces 2kW of power (2.7 horsepower).
1947: James J. Tooley patents an airplane landing wheel incorporating a hub motor.
1962: T.G. Wilson of Duke University and P.H. Trickey of Wright Machinery Co. unveil what they describe as a DC Machine with Solid-State Commutation (in other words, a motor with an electronic instead of mechanical commutator). This is the first brushless DC motor.
1971 and 1972: The Apollo Lunar Rover, the first electric car in space, drives across the Moon. Although not a hub motor vehicle, it popularizes the idea of vehicles whose four wheels are driven by independent motors.
1980s: Robert Lordo of Powertron is granted US Patent 4,453,097: Permanent magnet DC motor with magnets recessed into motor frame, a high-powered brushless DC motor.
Other than Porsche, all of this is USA. Tooley is from OK.
To this date, nobody has developed hub motors with decent torque. As such, only Honda and Rimac are using hub-motors. And they are not concerned about pulling loads or overheating.
yeah. so?
Here is national spending on R&D
How about nobel prize winners? Yeah, America wins.
How about scientific papers by nations? Now, the ONE thing that you got somewhat right is that 20% of America's tech is 'foreign-born'.That does not mean that they are all H1B or just student visa. Ppl like Elon musk who is foreign-born, but not American citizen, counts on that.
But to make wild claims that America has totally lost it with science is a joke. Hell, even the bulk of the papers coming from China/CHinese are considered HORRIBLE. The high quality remains with western science.
Oh, BTW, there are areas that America does not dominate. If you want leadership in Chemistry, that would be Germany. Even to this day, American BSChem require us to learn German to be able to read the tech.
Beyond that, America still remains tops.
what rockets went to space and then landed back on earth back in the 60s?