China is building 700 new coal plants. Not a lie by me, but a lie by you to deny it. Chinese coal use went down when.their economy went down for 2015, but crawl back upwards for 2016 and 2017. China's 2017 co2 increase was the largest of any nation. And yet, you lie and deny everything, while trying to push worthless metrics.
Seriously, this is what America USED to do by investing into America. Now, we send our money out to whomever is buying off (bribing) our politicians. These days, it is whoever putin says.
Nice thing is America continues to drop our co2. Because we are shutting off coal plants and replacing with wind and nat gas. And as we s
Move to EVs, our co2 should drop quickly.
Ugh no. The rise in co2 is not due to the plants. Well, not living ones. It is known how much co2 is USED by plants, and given off. In general, plants use Much more co2, than they give off. If not, then they would not have energy storage ( carbon converted to sugars ). Forest fires, volcanoes, etc give off co2, but known quantity. The problem is burning of fossil fuels esp from coal plants. Coal plants are #1 source of our burning fossil fuels and creating Co2. And as long as nations continue to build these out, it will continue to grow faster.
Many large users of carbon resources in electricity generation, such as the United States,[12][13] Russia, and China, are resisting carbon taxation.
And carbon taxation as implemented in most nations is worthless. Why? Because consumers are not the deciders of the vast majority of Co2 emissions. The single largest source of Co2 remains electricity, and that is not something the average consumers can choose from the grid. The third largest is actually transportation. Yeah, at the moment, America fleet mpg appears to be going down (and co2 up from ), but that is about to change. EVs are coming in a big way over the next couple of years mostly with commercial trucks.
The real problem remains that coal plants continue to be added esp in China. Until adfitional coal plants ( not replacement ) is stooped, co2 will continue its massive growth.
said the fool that almost certainly has a cell phone in his home and likely in his pocket.
Even funnier are those with Ring on their doorbells. They continue to send data to China, even though Amazon bought them.
First, I am anti-coal. It is obvious that you are in favor of coal since you continue to troll and push for CHina to build 700+ new coal plants ( not much difference between Trump and you).
Secondly, this conversation started off on coal since Cement's main issue is the USE of coal to provide heat.
Third, you obviously do not understand the meaning of troll. You are running around following somebody posting after them with lies and hypocrisy. That makes you the troll, not me.
Fourth, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Coal to burn cleaner than Nat Gas. I have explained to you the chemistry of such and yet you continue to lie about such things and prove how incredibly stupid you are. FIrst off, if coal was 100 or even 85% hydrogenated, it would be OIL, not coal. It is coal because it is cross linked between chains giving it solidity. However, at the same time, it means that per each carbon, you have less than 2 Hs. In fact, the garbage that CHina pushes is pretty damn close to 1H per C, which is why your skies are so FUCKING POLLUTED. That is also why you put out a lot more CO2 than you admit to. OCO2 continues to show it and keeps quiet due to politics. But all you have to do is look at the maps to see how horrible CHina REALLY is. And I look forward to OCO3 hitting the sky in 2019; between OCO2/3, along with Japan's sats, I am hoping that the groups will finally just spill the facts.
Fifth, China's emissions AND COAL use continue to set RECORDS, but your continued building of coal plants will destroy any chance of remaining low. And based on an analysis of global coal plans, the research finds that five countries — India, China, Turkey, Vietnam and Indonesia — are home to “nearly three quarters (73 percent) of the global coal-fired capacity that is currently under construction or planned.”
If your nation builds those 700 plants, well, your water for the future is in DEEP trouble.
Sadly, it is idiots like you that continue to think that they have the RIGHT to pollute, while others of us are WAY below you in emissions.
Did you even bother to read how it was calculated?
If you had, you would know that they simply took the total energy used and divided by households and capita.
They do not care that the vast majority of electricity actually goes to BUSINESSES.
Obviously, neither do you.
Gads, why can you not try to think a little before posting as one of the two logons that you have? It would be nice that if I am going to have troll, that you at least had some intelligence rather than just continue lying and being a hypocrite. Shesh, the fact that you are paid by the CHinese gov is bad enough.
red tide, you really are a total dumb fuck, even when you post as porker as well.
Until Tesla came along, how many EVs were sold on the market? Next to none. It was Tesla that forced companies to start offering EVs. Not even CHina had EVs.
And can you buy a ford f350 with 100 MPG? It IS technically possible to do. Yet, you can NOT buy one. Why not? Because Ford does not want to sell you that. Nor does the oil company.
You live in CHina. Can you get your electricity from clean source ONLY? I seriously doubt it.
I can. Figurately, I can buy electricity that is wind based only. BUT, I know better. It is NOT wind-based. In Colorado, the electricity that I buy from Xcell (our power company monopoly) is 45%coal, and about 45% wind and 10% hydro. BUT, if I want I can pay more $/kwh to claim that it is wind (oddly, the wind is much cheaper).
However, I have solar on the house and I get about 2/3-3/4 of our electricity from the sun. That is the best that I can do. The rest comes from the grid mix. I have NO OTHER CHOICE.
YOU have no choice. Do YOU have solar on your home that provides 100% (which means batteries) electricity? I seriously doubt it. I suspect that you are as hypocritical as many others here and do not even have solar, but drive your gas car or ride a diesel bus, while getting your electricity from your coal powered grid.
If you have the ability to change your grid composition RIGHT NOW, so that 100% of your electricity comes from clean power, then I will agree with you.
Otherwise, you are still lying and a hypocrite.
This is not surprising. Anybody who is surprised by this is either an idiot, or one of those that work for these gov and are simply lying about it.
Yes, they are hitting the west VERY HARD. The amount of spying going on here is incredible.
Trump has it right in finally addressing CHina's economic war on America. Sadly, he is speaking about it, but really doing very little.
BUT, when he goes after allies at the same time, esp when they are NOT dumping on us, that is just insane.
It is time for the gov to start putting up real national security (i.e. go back to FBI doing the background checks), do decent checks on sub-contractors. etc.
ppl do not consume coal.
Show us where ppl sit on coal? show us where they sleep on coal. SHow us where ppl eat coal. No, you idiot. Ppl do NOT consume the coal.
BUSINESSES CONSUME COAL.
It remains businesses and your gov that continues to push coal plants over AE. If is time for you to tell you bosses that they need to quit putting in new coal plants.
BTW, to be fair, Chinese DO heat homes and cook foods with coal (and have done so for multiple millenniums polluting the air), and while that is not insignificant, it does not begin to compare to Chinese electrical power plants. Likewise, it might not even compare to CHinese steel.
no, you said adding 1B ppl. They will NOT add that much to our CO2.
OTOH, The BUSINESSES that go up, which would happen, would add heavily to the CO2, but nothing like CHina does. We would still be a fraction of what CHina is. WHy? Because CHina is horribly inefficient in their electricity WRT businesses. And only a total moron working for the Chinese gov will claim otherwise.
Wrong. It is burning fossil fuels that is causing it. Norway, Sweden and Iceland are rich and are a fraction of the emissions of china, OR India. Why? Because they do not burn coal or nat gas for electricity. And these nations are dropping even more because they are moving quickly to EVs. In %, they beat California for EV car sales.
China is a rich nation. It is just concentrated in a small %. But your pollution is caused because you continue to build out new coal plants. You have to stop. Just like America stopped building coal plants, we also need to stop building out nat gas .
ALL nations need to follow those nations.
They are low emitters due to running hydro, geothermal and nuclear. Wind and solar do not play a big part of their electricity, nor should it be majority of any nations.
False.
Actually, we would do just fine if we added 1b. Ppl. The reason is that ppl do NOT use that much energy. When you read that we are inefficient, that is never a study, but always somebody taking total energy and dividing by per capita. Yet, business and gov accounts for the real electricity use. Ppl account for less than 25% of total usage. If we added 1B, we would need to use 75% more electricity.
Numerous studies have shown that our grid/energy can add 100% of our transportation, which is more than 25% of total electricity. As such, our grid and supply would have to add only 50% more power to handle an extra 1B. Ppl do not use much electricity. Businesses do.
ppl do not eat coal. As such, having a billion ppl does not fucking matter, when the majority of coal burning could be stopped simply by China deciding to stop building new coal plants and instead putting in nothing but AE and nuclear power.
Oddly, America is better than you are. We continue to close down coal plants and build out loads of AE. In fact, in terms of per capita, America is building out far more AE than does China.
In fact, in terms of clean energy, America is MUCH cleaner than China.
You refuse to quit lying and never back up anything you claim.
no, it is NOT being consumed by ppl. ppl do not eat coal asshole.
coal is burned for electricity, which provides for your buildings, your companies, your cars, your everything. WHy? Because you refuse to put in clean AE, and instead invest more into coal.
If your nation would just stop building out coal, and would instead focus solely on AE, nukes, etc. then you would clean up.
But, no, even knowing that your emissions are the WORST (14+% just for the #1 company; holy SHIT),
you continue to build out coal in CHina and around the world.
Even now, you will continue to lie about everything and ignore facts. But, I guess that is what you are paid to do.
I have said nothing of the kind. You continue to lie.
I have said that China continues to produce more than 2x the CO2 that America does, while their GDP output is far less.
And America's transport CO2 rose far far less than what CHina's CO2 did. In fact, our transportation has risen for the last couple of years, BUT, our CO2 continues to drop, which is what matters. OTOH, your nation's CO2 continues to rise.
The fact that you continue to claim that Coal burns cleaner than nat gas shows how fucked up you are.
But China’s National Development and Reform Commission released detailed data this week showing that the country’s electricity consumption jumped 6.6 percent last year. Wind and solar energy grew quickly, but not nearly enough to meet the extra demand. Electricity generation from the burning of fossil fuels, almost entirely coal, rose 5.2 percent in China last year.
As I said before, because your nation continues to install loads more coal than AE, your new electricity continues to come from coal, and not AE.
Now, I know that your gov pays you to lie here, but others need to realize what kind of trash you are for trying to pretend that China is NOT a major polluter. Hell, your cleanest city is worse than any city in America or Europe.
Look, if the subsidies for AE on new homes is stopped, this will be more expensive. As such, builders will have incentive to insulate better and switch to geothermal heat pumps. That way, less money goes into project, while lowering all prices.
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that is why we desperately need a new 3rd party with a focus on real centrist policies that put America first and not their GD politics.
Rich Vs poor us not the issue. The issue is what businesses and gov choose.
China is building 700 new coal plants. Not a lie by me, but a lie by you to deny it. Chinese coal use went down when.their economy went down for 2015, but crawl back upwards for 2016 and 2017. China's 2017 co2 increase was the largest of any nation. And yet, you lie and deny everything, while trying to push worthless metrics.
Seriously, this is what America USED to do by investing into America. Now, we send our money out to whomever is buying off (bribing) our politicians. These days, it is whoever putin says.
We lose porker esp since you lie to others. China is back to growing coal
Yeah, the issue is on a android, no pre-edit. Just posting. And if you look at html, you will see end quote tag right after the wiki.
The west, except for Germany, south korea and Japan, continue to drop our co2. Kind of shoots that down.
Nice thing is America continues to drop our co2. Because we are shutting off coal plants and replacing with wind and nat gas. And as we s Move to EVs, our co2 should drop quickly.
Ugh no. The rise in co2 is not due to the plants. Well, not living ones. It is known how much co2 is USED by plants, and given off. In general, plants use Much more co2, than they give off. If not, then they would not have energy storage ( carbon converted to sugars ). Forest fires, volcanoes, etc give off co2, but known quantity. The problem is burning of fossil fuels esp from coal plants. Coal plants are #1 source of our burning fossil fuels and creating Co2. And as long as nations continue to build these out, it will continue to grow faster.
Many large users of carbon resources in electricity generation, such as the United States,[12][13] Russia, and China, are resisting carbon taxation. And carbon taxation as implemented in most nations is worthless. Why? Because consumers are not the deciders of the vast majority of Co2 emissions. The single largest source of Co2 remains electricity, and that is not something the average consumers can choose from the grid. The third largest is actually transportation. Yeah, at the moment, America fleet mpg appears to be going down (and co2 up from ), but that is about to change. EVs are coming in a big way over the next couple of years mostly with commercial trucks. The real problem remains that coal plants continue to be added esp in China. Until adfitional coal plants ( not replacement ) is stooped, co2 will continue its massive growth.
said the fool that almost certainly has a cell phone in his home and likely in his pocket.
Even funnier are those with Ring on their doorbells. They continue to send data to China, even though Amazon bought them.
First, I am anti-coal. It is obvious that you are in favor of coal since you continue to troll and push for CHina to build 700+ new coal plants ( not much difference between Trump and you).
Secondly, this conversation started off on coal since Cement's main issue is the USE of coal to provide heat.
Third, you obviously do not understand the meaning of troll. You are running around following somebody posting after them with lies and hypocrisy. That makes you the troll, not me.
Fourth, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Coal to burn cleaner than Nat Gas. I have explained to you the chemistry of such and yet you continue to lie about such things and prove how incredibly stupid you are. FIrst off, if coal was 100 or even 85% hydrogenated, it would be OIL, not coal. It is coal because it is cross linked between chains giving it solidity. However, at the same time, it means that per each carbon, you have less than 2 Hs. In fact, the garbage that CHina pushes is pretty damn close to 1H per C, which is why your skies are so FUCKING POLLUTED. That is also why you put out a lot more CO2 than you admit to. OCO2 continues to show it and keeps quiet due to politics. But all you have to do is look at the maps to see how horrible CHina REALLY is. And I look forward to OCO3 hitting the sky in 2019; between OCO2/3, along with Japan's sats, I am hoping that the groups will finally just spill the facts.
Fifth, China's emissions AND COAL use continue to set RECORDS, but your continued building of coal plants will destroy any chance of remaining low.
And based on an analysis of global coal plans, the research finds that five countries — India, China, Turkey, Vietnam and Indonesia — are home to “nearly three quarters (73 percent) of the global coal-fired capacity that is currently under construction or planned.”
If your nation builds those 700 plants, well, your water for the future is in DEEP trouble.
Sadly, it is idiots like you that continue to think that they have the RIGHT to pollute, while others of us are WAY below you in emissions.
Did you even bother to read how it was calculated?
If you had, you would know that they simply took the total energy used and divided by households and capita.
They do not care that the vast majority of electricity actually goes to BUSINESSES.
Obviously, neither do you.
Gads, why can you not try to think a little before posting as one of the two logons that you have? It would be nice that if I am going to have troll, that you at least had some intelligence rather than just continue lying and being a hypocrite. Shesh, the fact that you are paid by the CHinese gov is bad enough.
red tide, you really are a total dumb fuck, even when you post as porker as well.
Until Tesla came along, how many EVs were sold on the market? Next to none. It was Tesla that forced companies to start offering EVs. Not even CHina had EVs.
And can you buy a ford f350 with 100 MPG? It IS technically possible to do. Yet, you can NOT buy one. Why not? Because Ford does not want to sell you that. Nor does the oil company.
You live in CHina. Can you get your electricity from clean source ONLY? I seriously doubt it.
I can. Figurately, I can buy electricity that is wind based only. BUT, I know better. It is NOT wind-based. In Colorado, the electricity that I buy from Xcell (our power company monopoly) is 45%coal, and about 45% wind and 10% hydro. BUT, if I want I can pay more $/kwh to claim that it is wind (oddly, the wind is much cheaper).
However, I have solar on the house and I get about 2/3-3/4 of our electricity from the sun. That is the best that I can do. The rest comes from the grid mix. I have NO OTHER CHOICE.
YOU have no choice. Do YOU have solar on your home that provides 100% (which means batteries) electricity? I seriously doubt it. I suspect that you are as hypocritical as many others here and do not even have solar, but drive your gas car or ride a diesel bus, while getting your electricity from your coal powered grid.
If you have the ability to change your grid composition RIGHT NOW, so that 100% of your electricity comes from clean power, then I will agree with you.
Otherwise, you are still lying and a hypocrite.
This is not surprising. Anybody who is surprised by this is either an idiot, or one of those that work for these gov and are simply lying about it.
Yes, they are hitting the west VERY HARD. The amount of spying going on here is incredible.
Trump has it right in finally addressing CHina's economic war on America. Sadly, he is speaking about it, but really doing very little.
BUT, when he goes after allies at the same time, esp when they are NOT dumping on us, that is just insane.
It is time for the gov to start putting up real national security (i.e. go back to FBI doing the background checks), do decent checks on sub-contractors. etc.
LOL. Entitled? I put out far less CO2 than you do. FAR less.
ppl do not consume coal.
.
Show us where ppl sit on coal? show us where they sleep on coal. SHow us where ppl eat coal. No, you idiot. Ppl do NOT consume the coal.
BUSINESSES CONSUME COAL
It remains businesses and your gov that continues to push coal plants over AE. If is time for you to tell you bosses that they need to quit putting in new coal plants.
BTW, to be fair, Chinese DO heat homes and cook foods with coal (and have done so for multiple millenniums polluting the air), and while that is not insignificant, it does not begin to compare to Chinese electrical power plants. Likewise, it might not even compare to CHinese steel.
no, you said adding 1B ppl. They will NOT add that much to our CO2.
OTOH, The BUSINESSES that go up, which would happen, would add heavily to the CO2, but nothing like CHina does. We would still be a fraction of what CHina is. WHy? Because CHina is horribly inefficient in their electricity WRT businesses. And only a total moron working for the Chinese gov will claim otherwise.
Wrong. It is burning fossil fuels that is causing it. Norway, Sweden and Iceland are rich and are a fraction of the emissions of china, OR India. Why? Because they do not burn coal or nat gas for electricity. And these nations are dropping even more because they are moving quickly to EVs. In %, they beat California for EV car sales. China is a rich nation. It is just concentrated in a small %. But your pollution is caused because you continue to build out new coal plants. You have to stop. Just like America stopped building coal plants, we also need to stop building out nat gas . ALL nations need to follow those nations. They are low emitters due to running hydro, geothermal and nuclear. Wind and solar do not play a big part of their electricity, nor should it be majority of any nations.
False. Actually, we would do just fine if we added 1b. Ppl. The reason is that ppl do NOT use that much energy. When you read that we are inefficient, that is never a study, but always somebody taking total energy and dividing by per capita. Yet, business and gov accounts for the real electricity use. Ppl account for less than 25% of total usage. If we added 1B, we would need to use 75% more electricity. Numerous studies have shown that our grid/energy can add 100% of our transportation, which is more than 25% of total electricity. As such, our grid and supply would have to add only 50% more power to handle an extra 1B. Ppl do not use much electricity. Businesses do.
ppl do not eat coal. As such, having a billion ppl does not fucking matter, when the majority of coal burning could be stopped simply by China deciding to stop building new coal plants and instead putting in nothing but AE and nuclear power.
Oddly, America is better than you are. We continue to close down coal plants and build out loads of AE. In fact, in terms of per capita, America is building out far more AE than does China.
In fact, in terms of clean energy, America is MUCH cleaner than China.
You refuse to quit lying and never back up anything you claim.
no, it is NOT being consumed by ppl. ppl do not eat coal asshole.
coal is burned for electricity, which provides for your buildings, your companies, your cars, your everything. WHy? Because you refuse to put in clean AE, and instead invest more into coal.
If your nation would just stop building out coal, and would instead focus solely on AE, nukes, etc. then you would clean up.
But, no, even knowing that your emissions are the WORST (14+% just for the #1 company; holy SHIT),
you continue to build out coal in CHina and around the world.
Even now, you will continue to lie about everything and ignore facts. But, I guess that is what you are paid to do.
I have said that China continues to produce more than 2x the CO2 that America does, while their GDP output is far less.
And America's transport CO2 rose far far less than what CHina's CO2 did. In fact, our transportation has risen for the last couple of years, BUT, our CO2 continues to drop, which is what matters.
OTOH, your nation's CO2 continues to rise.
The fact that you continue to claim that Coal burns cleaner than nat gas shows how fucked up you are.
But China’s National Development and Reform Commission released detailed data this week showing that the country’s electricity consumption jumped 6.6 percent last year. Wind and solar energy grew quickly, but not nearly enough to meet the extra demand. Electricity generation from the burning of fossil fuels, almost entirely coal, rose 5.2 percent in China last year.
As I said before, because your nation continues to install loads more coal than AE, your new electricity continues to come from coal, and not AE.
Now, I know that your gov pays you to lie here, but others need to realize what kind of trash you are for trying to pretend that China is NOT a major polluter. Hell, your cleanest city is worse than any city in America or Europe.
not all buildings are near fault lines.
Look, if the subsidies for AE on new homes is stopped, this will be more expensive. As such, builders will have incentive to insulate better and switch to geothermal heat pumps. That way, less money goes into project, while lowering all prices.